Results from today's racing at DMS

[jrenton]

The full results from todays racing are on-line

Go to www.dmsresults.co.uk (http://www.dmsresults.co.uk)

Click on the Regional Results & Standing link

Then click on DMS 2WD Regional 2012

[chuckie stella]

Today was sooooooo close just to make the A. I can't believe over 3 legs it finished as it started apart from Me and Kev H! B*****D ;)

[Dudders]

FTD today then, no round by round?

[Darren Boyle]

FTD today then, no round by round?
Yep :woot:

There was a few questions raised this morning when we went FTD and we put it to the vote which saw a few opposed to it, but RBR was always designed for tracks that would perish (or indeed get faster) as the day went on - which this didnt and almost never does, and also outdoor venues where good old mother nature can intervene and play her part, which indoors it cannot, so that is what we opted for.

The end result, some VERY (and I mean VERY) close racing, nail biting right up to the end of the very last qualifier (with Scott Faulkner just edging out Steve Ibbotson by 0.01 of a sec!!! to snatch the 10th A final spot).

Being the only track on the curcuit this year that is "not" astro it is the most alien surface to the racers, so the fact they only had to find "one" good fast 5 minute run rather than two good fast consistent ones "should" (in theory) of been easier, plus we also got see what was the "fastest" 10 drivers in the A today and not the 10 most consistent (which RBR gives you).

Plus the A final had 4 people on their round 2 time, one on their round 3 time and 5 on their round 4 time, showing that A final pace was their all day long on the track. In fact across the whole field in 2wd, 10 people were quickest in round 1, 21 in round 2, 20 in round 3 and 32 in round 4, showing again that the track could run quick all day........

[Darren Boyle]

Today was sooooooo close just to make the A. I can't believe over 3 legs it finished as it started apart from Me and Kev H! B*****D ;)

I forgot to mention that, apart form Kev Lee and Glenn Westwood, who were the only two people to get 19 lappers, 18 laps stretched form 3rd in the A to 6th in the B, 17 lappers from 7th in the B to 10th in the D, 16 lappers from 1st in the E to 9th in the F, 15 lappers from 10th in the F to 10th in the G with 7 more then on 14 laps, 4 on 13 laps and 2 on 12 laps.

One simple error saw you often fall a whole final or more............. :woot:

[Oxygen]

One simple error saw you often fall a whole final or more............. :woot:

Yup...dont i know it!:mad:

Super close racing today and the A final made some great viewing! Well done to all!!:)

[AmiSMB]

Had a great time at the DMS regional and it was fair to put it to a drivers vote even if FTD did not suit me :( Strange about the tyre issue but the only track I have raced on which mini pin were any good was Belgium GP. Well done to everyone who put in a lot of hard work and effort to make it all happen!

Darren, seems like there is a bug in the results as the link to the finals keeps taking you to the heats again. I think this was a bug in the 2006 version of BBK and was fixed in the newer versions 2011-1 being the latest.

[JCJC]

Darren, seems like there is a bug in the results as the link to the finals keeps taking you to the heats again. I think this was a bug in the 2006 version of BBK and was fixed in the newer versions 2011-1 being the latest.

Is that only from the Heats page, meetings index goes to finals, and finals works from the first page, results index takes you round in a circle, but not sure where its sposed to go. Just trying to say they are there.

Great work getting them up so quickly

[mattybucks]

Well done to Telstar Racing team drivers Paul Upton and Scott Faulkner for making the A final, and Thomas Clements for finishing E4. Great results!

[gainsy]

Well done to Telstar Racing team drivers Paul Upton and Scott Faulkner for making the A final, and Thomas Clements for finishing E4. Great results!

Thomas did really well yesterday, his driving in the first few heats was excellent, credit to him for all the extra marshalling he did as well :thumbsup:
I feel he has a very bright future ahead of him
Well done to Scott & paul as well :D

[AmiSMB]

Is that only from the Heats page, meetings index goes to finals, and finals works from the first page, results index takes you round in a circle, but not sure where its sposed to go. Just trying to say they are there.

Great work getting them up so quickly

Oh I know they are there it was just an observation and I really am impressed that they got the results up so quick, good work!

All It was when i was in the heat results and click the finals index the link is to heats and not finals as it is when you are at the main index level that was all.

[RudeTony]

Had a great time at the DMS regional and it was fair to put it to a drivers vote even if FTD did not suit me .

I personally totally disagree with the drivers voting for the format of racing.
Half the drivers and I mean half the field did not even know the difference between FTD and Round by Round. And over 60% have never raced there before. Some 10 juniors too. There were many that really didn’t even know what the letters FTD stood for.
Now I am very old fashioned and grew up with FTD and on certain tracks I wish they did that but indoors on a tight track with very little overtaking area, in my opinion it was wrong.
And Darren before you jump, J the fact is also simple that the best run HAD to be done in the last round as proved by Kev and Glen in the last heat setting the fastest time of the day by a long way (Kevs time) ..... I will also point out Darren that other drivers were on to improve their times too but obviously made errors hence their non improvement (me one of them).
The FTD basis is great on a consistent outdoor track to find out the real quick guys but NOT on an indoor track of 15sec laps.

By the way the track was nice but for me not FTD
Please don’t shoot me down for giving an honest opinion otherwise I just won’t give you an opinion LOL

[JCJC]

Oh I know they are there it was just an observation and I really am impressed that they got the results up so quick, good work!

All It was when i was in the heat results and click the finals index the link is to heats and not finals as it is when you are at the main index level that was all.

Just trying to see where the link was/is missing Grant, was looking at the finals earlier so surprised when I saw your post. :) gets better and better this midsouth shizzle

[chuckie stella]

Please don’t shoot me down for giving an honest opinion otherwise I just won’t give you an opinion LOL

Yeh right!:p

Amazing how things bite you in the backside Tone as I think RBR would've put me 2nd so wouldn't have been held up by you in the finals! lmfao!!!! :lol:

[AmiSMB]

Just trying to see where the link was/is missing Grant, was looking at the finals earlier so surprised when I saw your post. :) gets better and better this midsouth shizzle

If you goto http://www.dmsresults.co.uk/regional/May2012_2WD_Regional/mtg16/heats.htm on this page the Final Results link links to the heats and the Meeting index link links to the finals which is what I was pointing out. I think this maybe a BBK bug rather than being a Mid South/DMS issue. As I have said before it is great to see the results up so fast and I just noticed a slight issue that was all.

[Darren Boyle]

Yeh right!:p

Amazing how things bite you in the backside Tone as I think RBR would've put me 2nd so wouldn't have been held up by you in the finals! lmfao!!!! :lol:

LOL

We all have opinions, Tony has and indeed "had" his on the day, I had mine and everyone else did too - thats all good!!

Down to me, FTD plain and simple, always has been, most likely always will on that track, simply because it DOES work, but we asked the crowd and of the "6" juniors, 1 voted RBR and 5 voted FTD, even if you take those six out (or even if they ALL voted RBR), we still had 85+ "adults" who voted with a large majority for FTD.

Both Kev and Glenn were capable of doing fast laps "all day" in fact if you take Kev's best laps, in round 1 he did a 15.67, round 2 a 15.92, round 3 16.00 and round 4 15.73, similiar for Glenn, with 16.38, 16.54, 16.42, 16.13 in his four runs, the story is the saem all the way down the heat listings - the track got no faster or no slower all day - FACT!!! In fact in round 3 before he broke Kev was on for a better time than he got in round 4 at one point about 2 minutes in. The "honest reason" why some people (only about a 1/3rd of all those racing) got their best in round 4 is because you have learnt the lines etc on the track and had all day to perfect your setups etc.......

Basically that ends all of the speculation, talk and debate really on if FTD or RBR was right, the track was no different from round 1 to round 4 and for that reason was perfect for FTD, simples, now we can all move on to the next topic you all want to debate about ;-)

Edit - just to add....

Tight track? It was 3 meters wide everywhere (4 meters off the end of the straight) except for it being narowed to 2.8m on some of the jumps (the width of the timber we used to make them).

No overtaking? There was LOADS of awesome and clean overtaking moves in all heats and finals all day long......

15 second laps? Only for the very special guys, most mere mortals were 16-17 seconds plus, which for an indoor track (and many outdoor tracks too for that matter) is a very respectable lap time. Kev was doing 17 second laps at the regional at Stotfold two weeks ago!!

On the plus side, great, close nailbiting racing right until the end (no pre-witten or guarrenteed A finalalists after just 3 rounds here), we all stayed warm and dry all day and the curry was lovely too!! LOL

[mattybucks]

Driver's will the majority of the time will go for FTD, it takes the pressure off as they only need one good run. With round by round you have to be more consitant through out the day, be wary of not breaking the car and get enough runs under the belt to gain a good score.

My view is:

Club Meetings: FTD
All day meetings (inc Regionals/Nationals): Round by Round

I also think that if it's a series such as a regional/national then all venues should use the same format.

Buy hey that my opinion only and from what I hear it was still an excellent day.

[RudeTony]

Oh Darrem Darren.....
Love you so much.....
Kev TQed by 10 secs of his own time in round 4
I am sure he was more than capable in round 1, 2 or 3
Glen did his fastest time in round 4 and he had clean runs in most rounds and stayed on his quick 18 lapper.
Myself and Matt missed 19 lappers by I think 5/100 of a sec or something like that!!
Many many were going quicker in round 4 but on a FTD basis is who can keep it on its wheels rather than acccurate consistent driving
Leg 3 of the A Final I did a 15.66 lap (lap 16 for your info) - that really makes a statement that the track got quicker and quicker mate...

Many didn't even know what FTD stands for
I am trying to be constructive and you should know that.......

[Darren Boyle]

Oh Darrem Darren.....
Love you so much.....
Kev TQed by 10 secs of his own time in round 4
I am sure he was more than capable in round 1, 2 or 3
Glen did his fastest time in round 4 and he had clean runs in most rounds and stayed on his quick 18 lapper.
Myself and Matt missed 19 lappers by I think 5/100 of a sec or something like that!!
Many many were going quicker in round 4 but on a FTD basis is who can keep it on its wheels rather than acccurate consistent driving
Leg 3 of the A Final I did a 15.66 lap (lap 16 for your info) - that really makes a statement that the track got quicker and quicker mate...

Many didn't even know what FTD stands for
I am trying to be constructive and you should know that.......

Dude, just leave it there (to be honest it should have been left in the hall last night)

Edit ....Cant be bothered to debate a topic as stupid as this, look at the facts, they will give you the correct answers you are missing.

[masons01]

My thoughts are, as soon as we started at Torch that should be the format for the year, irrespective of track, club runner or weather. RBR.
It stops all the "well at Torch if it had been FTD then I'd of been in the A" talk.

There seems to be a lot of talk on the forums before the series started to get the dates for these meetings etc maybe the rules should be looked at too.

This is the first BRCA sanctioned meeting that has scruitineering, that I am aware of or been part of, that a car that doesn't fit cleanly in the scruitineering box is agreed to be acceptable for racing.

Rules are rules. Or Are they

It could be seen by some that rules are there for when it suits. What will happen if certain tyres are the ones to run at other tracks, will we agree to bend the rules on that day too.

I know I'll be shunned and stoned for these comments but hey it's an opinion.

[Darren Boyle]

My thoughts are, as soon as we started at Torch that should be the format for the year, irrespective of track, club runner or weather. RBR.
It stops all the "well at Torch if it had been FTD then I'd of been in the A" talk.

There seems to be a lot of talk on the forums before the series started to get the dates for these meetings etc maybe the rules should be looked at too.

This is the first BRCA sanctioned meeting that has scruitineering, that I am aware of or been part of, that a car that doesn't fit cleanly in the scruitineering box is agreed to be acceptable for racing.

Rules are rules. Or Are they

It could be seen by some that rules are there for when it suits. What will happen if certain tyres are the ones to run at other tracks, will we agree to bend the rules on that day too.

I know I'll be shunned and stoned for these comments but hey it's an opinion.


I agree for much of what you say, and as you say it is an opinion.

On the topic of qualifying, the "rule" is that it is the race director on the days decision, which is why at every national we "still" get the race director for the day confirm that the meeting is being run by RBR scoring (which is almost standard practice now at nationals no matter where, and when we are running). If we were all to follow the 1st club in the region (TORCH this year) then what would have ahppend if this meeting was the first one? Would we all have to run FTD? (Which in my opinion would be wrong for all the outdoor venues, with all the variables etc) Fact was, I has have rpoved already the track WAS ideal for FTD, it got no quicker, got no slower, FTD pace was there ALL DAY long and was never a fear through varibale such as weather. I was going to juts choose it outright, but thought there was no hram confirming I was going with what the majority wanted (I did not have to do that), but I did, and it was the choice of the majority as we all saw. In truth did it harm anyone? Did anyone get a result that would have been wildly different if it were RBR, the answer is no.....

On the topic of the tyres, you are quite right, but not all the facts are there. As it was pointed out to me and whispered in my ear during breifing, there is a (VERY large) element of doubt that the box we are using (boorowing) was/is still to the exact BRCA dimensions (being made of wood these things can distort over time with moisture etc), the official BRCA box is made of metal and cars running these same exact tyres at "other" BRCA meetings this winter have all passed. In fact we discovered later in the day (thanks Ian ;)) that if you placed your car at one end of the box rear wards it fitted, if you turned it around 180 degrees and at the other end of the box, it did not :confused:, there was some definate "element of doubt" with the box...... The rules were not bent, simply common sense previaled otherwise 90+% of you would not have raced yesterday with cars that were (fractions) too wide "with the box we had at our disposal" (that last bit is very important - we could not "prove" that it was 90% of the cars that were all wrong or the one box that was wrong so we applied common sense to aid everyone)

When it comes to scales, the BRCA will tell us that whatever they say on the day is the benchmark and everyone runs to that, but with the box, this has been a bone of contention for years. As we explained at drivers breifing, this wont come up anywhere else since common outdoor tyres (Schuey mini spikes and BB spikes) do not have the over hang that the Schuey Minipin does, so it is very unlikely we will come across this again this season.

[RudeTony]

Darren....you told me to shut up and leave it at that but please mate, your last comment is a lot of rubbish.
If the box is wrong then it's wrong - pleanty of measuring equipment in the pits to measure the box and don't blame the tyres because we all run Mini Pins at the BRCA indoor championships at Silvestone and had no issues. If the tyre is illegal then don't use it.
If the box is wrong then thow it away.
Simples mate
LOL

What Mark is saying, we should NOT have the right to bend rules - I am sure that is his point...

15.66 last leg od the A fimal still says the track was faster no matter how many times you twist to your benefit - LMAO

PS - Like I said I am trying to be constuctive

[Darren Boyle]

Darren....you told me to shut up and leave it at that but please mate, your last comment is a lot of rubbish.
If the box is wrong then it's wrong - plenty of measuring equipment in the pits to measure the box and don't blame the tyres because we all run Mini Pins at the BRCA indoor championships at Silvestone and had no issues. If the tyre is illegal then don't use it.
If the box is wrong then thow it away.
Simples mate
LOL

What Mark is saying, we should NOT have the right to bend rules - I am sure that is his point...

15.66 last leg od the A fimal still says the track was faster no matter how many times you twist to your benefit - LMAO

PS - Like I said I am trying to be constuctive

Tony, you do LOVE a debate for no reason.....

It was YOU that whispered to me during breifing that everyone can dispute the legality of the box!!! (For those that saw me talk to Tony during the briefing as Keith was talking that was why!!!)

As you rightly say everyone run minipins at the indoor finals and there was no issue, so yesterday should have been fine too, we were kindly loaned the box by Stotfold (the same box they use and also borrowed by Herts - so 60% of this years regionals are in that box) it is not my choice to simply throw it away, but there was doubt it was accurate and with the minipins being used the cars are all at their maximum width as opposed to when Mini Spikes are used (which dont over hang as much).

You contradict yourself above, "don't blame the tyres because we all run Mini Pins at the BRCA indoor championships at Silvestone" then in the next sentance "If the tyre is illegal then don't use it." That is just it, we knew the tyres were not illegal which is excatly what I wrote, which is why we think the box could be out and the said common sense was applied to benefit all (not me as you write).....

As for fastest lap (we are talking fastest lap now not fastest time - right) check your emails - oh and answer your phone too......