Cell layout

[telboy]

Hi all,

What difference does it make to have all the cells across the chassis?

Obviously all my cells are set up in saddles to fit the D4, and don't really want to mess around splitting them to 2-4 layout.

Or how about if I lay them in saddle form (3-3) from the motor to the servo, with the elec's either side. I know this would mean modifying the chassis with the dremel, but just thought I'd ask.:)

[stegger]

Tel, i was wondering the same thing. Like you with the D4, hopefully i will have the serpent with the 3 x 3 saddle packs but the only thing putting me off was the 4 x 2 layout and i won't have enough cells for both cars and i won't be arsed changing them all the time:thumbdown:

[Extreme]

Yup totally know what you guys mean!!
so i did the easy thing and bought myself an X5 to go with the X6, saves all that trouble with the cells:thumbsup:

[Chrislong]

Hi Guys, you can run the cells as a stick right accross the chassis, and mount the electronics in the front where the 2 cells would normally be - this will partially compensate for the cells hanging out wide. To put the electronics here you may need to fabricate a new cell brace which doesn't limit the height over the electronics somehow - something like on my X-60?? ;)

With cells, it is a fair amount of weight to hang out wide, and it does make the car pitch more than the 4+2 layout, but do try it. You might actually like it.

:)

[Chrislong]

Yup totally know what you guys mean!!
so i did the easy thing and bought myself an X5 to go with the X6, saves all that trouble with the cells:thumbsup:

Good call, top recommendation... ;)

[bigred5765]

or you could make them in to a 2-1-3 pack so they will work in both cars pain in the ass yes but saves on money and cells
i think they have to do that in the s4 s2
but i do agree with you two guys on the x5 x6 combo is a better call

[stegger]

It may be worth the risk at £100 for the conversion:confused: what would be needed to convert back to the original b4 spec.

[bigred5765]

chassis, gearbox case, rear end, (wishone shocktower etc)

[rcracer]

i think they have to do that in the s4 s2


no carl i just use my 2+2+2 cells from my S4 in my X6 2+4 formation ;)

[mattym0310]

no he means if they use the s2 and the s4. but they would have to do 2+1+1+2 wouldn't they?

[josh_smaxx]

God, it was comical watching Ben trying to get his S4 pack in his B4, wouldnt even want to try and get a
[][]_[]_[]_[][] pack in one :bored:

[telboy]

Hi all,
Obviously being a mirage driver I can't go and get the X5.:p:lol:

So I think I'll just put them across the chassis.
By doing this chris, would I have to stiffen the shocks a little to compensate for the extra weight 'out wide'?

[rcracer]

no he means if they use the s2 and the s4. but they would have to do 2+1+1+2 wouldn't they?

oh i see :lol: .. 2+1+1+2 jeese there going to hard to handle i need 3 hands putting me packs in the discharger now :o

[Chrislong]

Hi all,
Obviously being a mirage driver I can't go and get the X5.:p:lol:

So I think I'll just put them across the chassis.
By doing this chris, would I have to stiffen the shocks a little to compensate for the extra weight 'out wide'?

Thinking about it, yes, as it is moving the weight rearward too. So perhaps up one rate on the spring and go from there... I haven't done this, but it may be that the setup ran with 4+2 also suits 6 accross, might have to lower ballstud to compensate for steering thought.

When are you racing next? if im there I will pit with you. :thumbsup:

[ashleyb4]

You could just build them like this

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[Paul_Sinclair]

I know Paul Lemieux ran his X - 6 with the cells straight across the rear of the chassis at one of the larger off-road races here in the US. He did pretty well with the car. It definitely had more rear traction, but he struggled with the car wanting to roll in the corners and just say "rolled over" - it wouldn't square up nearly as fast as he wanted. He ended the race with a thick sway bar on the rear along with a thin swaybar up front. So it has been done before.

I personally have not done it and probably wouldn't recommend it though. The 4+2 just really works for the X - 6. I think the 3+1+2 layout would be best; I know making up and handling the packs would be a pain but they'd fit in the X - 6 just fine, and I expect the D4 as well (not sure about the S500 though...?).

You could go 3+2 and just run 5 cells... put like a 3.5 in the 4wheeler and a 5.5 in the buggy, you'd be set!

[mattym0310]

my batteries are set out as 3+1+2 [because i run a pred and x6] They arnt too hard to handle at all, this is probably the best way to do it

[niggs98]

same here i run a 2-1-3 configureation and its not as bad as you would think at all as long as ya keep ya wires as short as possible everything stays roughly where it should be

[telboy]

just looking at it, I've not got all the elec's in it yet, does the nosram/lrp sphere fit under the shell without taking the fan off?

[AmiSMB]

I have an LRP Sphere TC in both the X-5 and X-6 and there is no problem with the fan hitting the shell.

[telboy]

Cool, I think I'm going to stay with the cells across the chassis just save any messing around.
I'm racing it this weekend at the ME regionals on grass, so I'll let you all know how it goes.:thumbsup:

Thanks for the advice dudes and dudettes!:D Muchly appreciated.

[YoungChazz]

Telboy, if you run LiPo straight across the 4-cell slot all is good because the LiPo is so light. But if you run 6 cells across, she wallows about like a fat pig in a bog, and I certainly don't like seeing one of our great-handling cars doing that. The strength of The New Math is cornering -- you have a problem bumping into the back of cars you're about to pass -- and 6 across wrecks the car's advantage. May as well have a rear motor dinosaur.

One of the world's best drivers, Paul LeMieux, struggled mightly with it all weekend at Milwaukee last December. He did win 19-T and took 3rd in Mod behind Cavalieri & Kinwald (I think that was the result -- off the top of my head) but worked at it all weekend, never did really get the car right, and simply drove the wheels off it. My pit was between Kinwald and LeMieux, and I watched Paul changing things radically with every pack. Meanwhile Kinwald, with LiPo across the back, cruised...

Is a bit of soldering all that much to get a perfect car???

[telboy]

Done it, I split the cells to 3-1-2 format.

Like you say chazz, for the sake of a bit of soldering its worth doing surely.:D

I'll take it on the park tomorrow for a blast round.:thumbsup:

[bigred5765]

Done it, I split the cells to 3-1-2 format.

Like you say chazz, for the sake of a bit of soldering its worth doing surely.:D

I'll take it on the park tomorrow for a blast round.:thumbsup:

:ptold you nana nana na
hope u get on with your new car
if u need a set up let us know

[telboy]

All done and ready for the weekend!

http://www.telsshells.com/my%20car.jpg

:thumbsup:

[stegger]

Very Very nice tel:wub i'm jealous

[YoungChazz]

Very nice paint job. Good looking car.

Stickers all wrong, of course...

[telboy]

Thanks,

Haha, Unfortunately Chazz, I've got to run those stickies.:D

It was just a quick shell I knocked up for myself, I don't spend much time on my own shells as its all spent on everyone elses.:lol:

Don't think it will look like that on sunday evening though!!:woot:

[bigred5765]

cool job tell we just finished mattys new shell
http://www.oople.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=73

[Cockerill]

It was just a quick shell I knocked up for myself, I don't spend much time on my own shells as its all spent on everyone elses.:lol:

:lol: Its just like that quick shell you did for Danny which looked awesome to.

[mattym0310]

why JC stickers Tel??

Car looks real good, glad to see someone else using Associated Shocks :)

[telboy]

JC stickies, because I haven't got enough larger size hot bodies stickies.
Otherwise I'd have put those on....oh, and I haven't got any X-6 ones.:D

[mattym0310]

lol, good enough reason :D

Car looks ace.

[Mike Hudson]

Looks really really nice like all the shells you do Tel :thumbsup: top work as always,

[YoungChazz]

Shoulda been in your Kit, Telboy. If they were missing, E-mail me .

[telboy]

I got it second hand Chazz, so I didn't have any fresh to apply.

[YoungChazz]

E-mail me anway. We ought to be able to figure out some way to get the wing of that good-looking car to say, "X - 6."

[bigred5765]

tell i have some here if you dont get sorted x6 and xfactory

[telboy]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raced the car (X6) today at the ME regional....awesome!

Everyone was commenting on how well the car looked on the track and how much corner speed it was carrying. Superb.

I just can't beleive how good it handled once I'd got a spring setting that i liked, it was just planted.

It was the only X-6 there and I managed to qualify 7th in the A final (my first ever), and managed a 2nd overall in round 3...against some top drivers too, Nathan Waters, Simon Moss, James Helliwell etc.

The final ended after 2 laps though when I made a mistake, then got collected by the next car along, which broke the rear wishbone.

But, wow. It is an awesome car and has huge amounts of grip through the turns.

The only thing I was lacking was high speed front end grip. I didn't really have too much of a mess around with washers and camber link length etc. so will have a mess around next week at Oswestry.
Otherwise, through all the mid-low speed corners it was very good.:thumbsup:

[mattym0310]

what setup did you use Tel?? AE shocks? what was the track like. cheers

[Darren Boyle]

Welcome to the world of X-6 performance, they really do make most racers faster than before!!!!

[bigred5765]

glad you liked the car tell
if you want any help at ozfest
your more than welcome to are ae shock set up sheets have quiet a few
and i no the usual x factory crew will be there,but they run losi shocks

[telboy]

Track was flat grass (if you can call it that) with plenty of undulations, especially on the straight, and fairly twist but quick.

I used asso' shocks but with losi springs (using the D4 shock bottoms).
35wt with red springs front and 30wt and pink springs rear.

Went down to .75 washer under the rear pivot mount.
shocks were mounted on the outer most hole on the front (mount and wishbone) and outer on the wishbone and 3rd hole in on the shock tower at the rear.
camber links were as I got it, front- inner hole on hub and inner on bulkhead. rear-middle hole on hub and outer hole on bulkhead (no new alloy blocks)
camber was 1deg front and 1.5 rear.
wheel base was forward on front and middle rear.
Grp tyres were the quicker option but were less stable than the shuey yellows...so obviously i stuck with the grp.:lol:

thats about all I can tell you really.

[super__dan]

Tell,

Come have a chat next weekend as you're running the car and let me know what heat you're in so I can have a watch. I've no idea what those springs are (red front???) but the E Speed rear hangers help with on power steering, they really are a 'must' dude ;)

[mattym0310]

They are Losi Red springs Dan.

I used asso' shocks but with losi springs

[ben]

Matt i dont think losi do a red front spring:confused:

[bigred5765]

LOSA5128 2.00” Spring 2.5 Rate (Red) Buggy Front
its there softest front spring

[telboy]

yep, without wanting tthe hastle of changin oil (as there wasn't a great deal of time between run) I just went as soft as I could to get the front end round.
But it was good, especially when it was dry and could just turn up the inside of everyone, it was great. But it never threw the back end out. Well impressed.

I'll come and have a chat at ozwestry next week with y'all.:thumbsup:

Who is selling the blue hangers?

[bigred5765]

lesro and dms at the mo or chazz direct

[Big E]

Tel, just throw a front wing at it and it will be good :woot:

Like Dan says just come see any of us if you want any help or tips at all.

E.

[telboy]

Ellis, I had the JC front wing on.:)

Thinking about it, it may have just been the track.
The straight was far from flat and you spent more time aibourne than on the ground, and the first (fast) turn was pretty much the same. It was difficult (very) to find a smooth line into, and through, the fast turn. So it may have just been the bumps etc.

[bigred5765]

may be you should have fitted a rudder lol
Spencer ran the car for the first time at bury metro this week, he said the same as you
just loved how the car handled,he drove it really well to,well done Spencer

[mattym0310]

Matt i dont think losi do a red front spring:confused:

You would be wrong then..

LOSA5128 2.00” Spring 2.5 Rate (Red) Buggy Front
its there softest front spring

[Lee]

Can i just add something.


Ben you are definately wrong:lol:

[mattym0310]

:thumbsup::p

[Mike Hudson]

get told haha :woot:

[bigred5765]

hey Ben I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this already or not but




























YOUR WRONG

[ben]

lalalalalalalalalalaaa. Oh sorry was someone speaking.

[Lee]

Yeah, they said you were wrong:lol::D

[ben]

oh.... sorry i wasnt listening :o

[Mike Hudson]

i didnt know yoo could listen to text on a screen on oople :woot:

[ben]

haaa haa ha. I almost laughed

[Darren Boyle]

Who is selling the blue hangers?

lesro and dms at the mo or chazz direct

lesro (£15.50) and dms (£13.39) at the mo or chazz direct ($19.99 + $22.00 p+p) ;)