Control/No control

[Lee]

This thread may prove a bit controversial but i just want to get peoples opinions and pro`s and cons to either side of the debate,

So here goes, for our national series (regionals can do as they wish anyway) how would you like to see the tyre ruling go. Would you like to be able to use any tyre from BB schuey and GRP or limited to two as it is now. I understand you cant please all the people all the time and you will always have people saying "X" tyre would of been better.

I personally dont mind, i like the idea of a control tyre im all for it in fact as it does keep costs down and racing close and you dont need lots of boxes of tyres for 1 meeting.

(i dont really want to turn this into a quality/compound thread, im sure you know what i mean);)

[Cockerill]

Definitely keep control tires in my opinion.

My previous idea that I posted in another thread was:

Each distributor/manufacturer can nominate one/two tread patterns, in as many compounds as they like, but the tread pattern name (or part number) and a compound marking must be moulded into the tire wall.

I don't how hard it would be to do this, but I *think* it has been used in touring cars before. IF made a rule the companies would have 5 months notice to sort it.

Each nominated tire could then be used at any national. We would probably get 4 tires, each in two compounds (2x BB, 1x Schumacher, 1x GRP). The drivers can then use whichever ones they want.

It's not a perfect idea, but it is something.

[Northy]

Two SETS of tyres ALL DAY, and an extra for the A mainers.... :D

G

[Southwell]

Im all for control tyres if they are consistant from the manufacturer....also limiting the amount that can be used will be a massive help for most racers.

[Cockerill]

That would be nice Graham, but we need away to successfully implement it given the time we have, any ideas? :confused:

[Lee]

I had thought of that G, didnt want to say it in the first post though.

Keeps it simple, we might even see schuey blues make a return :confused:

[Kopite]

Two SETS of tyres ALL DAY, and an extra for the A mainers.... :D

G


i've always liked the thought of that idea, but wouldn't it be hard to police? (or at least cause more work for the officials). That aside, i'd be really up for it, cheaper cheaper cheaper!!

if there was no control tyre, i'd probably have to race less to afford all the tyres i need. plus there'd be more excuses as to why you had a crap day :p

[Lee]

That would be nice Graham, but we need away to successfully implement it given the time we have, any ideas? :confused:

In onroad they mark the tyres in round 1 and then mark that you have used one set on the scruitineering sheet, then when you arrive with a new set in rd 3 for instance it is marked again so it is easy to see if you have used more than 2 sets.

You will probably get people missing out rounds though to save tyres:thumbdown:

[Southwell]

The biggest problem with limiting sets during the meeting is someone has to check them every run and log how many sets someone has used, it will add to scrutineering times.

[James]

That used to be done - tyres were marked with nailvarnish across the glueing and your brca number on the wheels........

[MattW]

My personal view is that "as is" works quite well. Although i'll be honest and say that i would prefer a limit on the number of sets.

You talk to people that race other classes and they can't believe that we allow unlimited tyres. So, you need one of 2 things in an ideal world (in my view), either a situation where new tyres are of no benefit (unlikely to be possible due to the very nature of cars and the power they have) or a limit - which many people are against.

So, no idea what the answer is!!!

[James]

In thoery i've always liked the idea of one type of tyre and compound for everyone..

Be plenty of grumbling about this though i'd imagine..

[MattW]

On checking - it is a fair point, it does take more time. On Road has a limit. Last year it was 2 sets for single day meeting. The scrutineers marked everyones first set when they came through after rd 1. It was then the responsibility of the driver to get their 2nd set marked when ever they wanted to do.

Scrutineering is done after the round, so that does make a small difference.

This year, it is 2 dat meetings, and 4 sets of tyres - and it is the responsibility of the driver to get all of their sets marked before they widh to use them.

[Northy]

Two sets was done in the past, and I quite enjoyed it, added another skill (when to use the second set - you also had to take account of weather/grip changes).

Let's be fair, if a club wants a National they should have enough people to do these jobs. If they don't let someone else hold it.

G

[ginger fixit]

hi guys

im not a a buggy racer now but used to do rally x 3 years ago and we used to carry i think is was 10 or 12 different types of tyre and a few sets of each, which can get very expensive i did do a few meeting which had control tyres but no limit on how many sets (that doesnt benefit club racers at all)

now i do touring and i raced the ko gp last august 2 full days of racing and we were only aloud 3 sets of tyres very hard to do but you could see on the score sheets that people were trying hard to manage there tyres even the top boys would make mistakes in qualifying and just leave the track to save the tyres.

it does make it cheaper but tyres are the best set up change a driver can make bar none in my opinion, so if you have a control tyre that you cant get to work it can ruin a days racing having a choice is far better for that reason.

but all in all i would rather we saved money and had control tyres and limited sets in all classes of rc racing i quite like have to think about tyre wear and should i save them this run for the finals you get my drift

interesting thread be great if a few top driver could give us there points of view

laters Andy Bell :p

[dan_kitty]

just out of intrest, whats the average amount of tyres (sets) that a non-a-finalist gets through at a national?

im thinking dry conditions here, ta

[Cruise]

Some experiences made in Germany:
We are currently running control Tires in our official races.
Each Importer nominates one type of Tire per class (compound free).

At the moment tyres run are Losi, Proline, Schumacher (with minipins only on carpet and the rare grass tracks) the panther tires aren`t really used.

This has very much cut down the amount of tires used.

We had a test Year when we run limited number of tires per event but changed very soon to the system used now.

easy to scrutineer and no problems whe heats have to be repated.

Cruise.

[sparrow.2]

I don't race in Britain but we have control tires here in Germany as well. I really like that fact as it makes racing that much easier and you can buy in bulk, which cuts the price down nicely on Proline and Losi tires.

The question is whether a limit is really that sensible because even if I use tires for two runs only before using new ones, the used ones are still plenty good enough for practise or even for different tracks with different grip levels.
In the end I can use 5 sets of tires for a national which will be absolutely great for club racing or practise afterwards.

Control tires :thumbsup: Limited sets :thumbdown:

[_sleigh_]

just out of intrest, whats the average amount of tyres (sets) that a non-a-finalist gets through at a national?

im thinking dry conditions here, ta

I know you said dry conditions but....

At the first national at Kiddy I used two sets each day, and that was including practice and the A's.

I expect to use the same at Oswestry, may be a third set at a push.

[dan_kitty]

glad to hear that i used one set all day at kiddy, wasnt too bad in 2wd but really suffered in 4wd.

so i will use 2 sets at oz, ta

[flipside]

Most people overrate the effect of new tyres too. I guess in britain with such a high level, you need to use a lot of new tyres to squeeze out that last extra bit. Many people take a new set each run to have the exact same feel every time, not always because it is faster. So unless you're really on top and have nothing else left to cut down on your laptimes, take it easy and concentrate on making fewer mistakes instead of spending all your money on new tyres.

Limiting the number of tyres is indeed a lot of work, and what when it starts raining, or when you trash your wheel?

[Northy]

Tyres are a big thing in the UK now. There are so many people who can put in a clean 5 minute run, often with 1/2 second at the end of a round covering 20 places or so.

G

[bigred5765]

IMHO, 3 wet sets,or 3 dry sets all marked up buy scrutinering before you race, and checked along side weighing in, but give three tire manufactures any compound allowed,

[Chrislong]

I like the idea of limited tyres, but the amount of work for scrutineering has stopped me suggesting it.

But how about making the rule even more strict? May make it easier to police.... but allowing ONE nominated tyre, but before that is done putting that tyre through some sort of quality/price/availability approval.

So, if this was Schumacher, we'd know Yellows if dry, greens if damp or wetter. For example.

I like the idea of this, plus Carl's idea of pre-scrutinised during booking in... so 2 sets of yellows and 2 sets of greens marked. Then the A finalists get 1 more set marked after qual.

So then, if it stays dry and we take 2 sets of greens unused home, then they get a different colour dot on the tyre - if we have a dry year, we may each have some greens with 6 dots on, or 12! if they transfer between 2wd & 4wd.

Chris

[Chrislong]

IMHO, 3 wet sets,or 3 dry sets all marked up buy scrutinering before you race, and checked along side weighing in, but give three tire manufactures any compound allowed,

Thats too much choice & too many tyres. With limited sets we need less choice really. What do you guys think?

[Richard Lowe]

I think we should all run on Schuey blues, they'd be a bit gash on some wet astro tracks but they work ok in pretty much all other conditions. We might not have the grip levels we do now in ideal circumstances but it would be the same for everyone, they'd last a lot longer too :)

Also as they are so rock hard compound variations would be less of a problem :drool:

[Chrislong]

Hey Rich,
Ya know what, id be up for this! It will bring the need to be more sensible with power especially when wet, it will lower costs (just what we need when everything else in life is becoming more expensive), and introduce a completely level playing field.

There'd be no need for limited numbers used, as by their nature we wouldn;t need to change often.

[Lee]

i think i would like the blues idea, it would suit me too, with my girlie left thumb:lol:

Do we propose and vote on tyre rulings or is this done by the brca and the national clubs.

[Chrislong]

We ought to chat with Charlie and Paul. Be worth a chat with them this weekend.

[Northy]

But that's back to a monopoly.
What's the point in other companys developing new tyres then? *cough* GRP *cough*

G

[Lee]

Unless each of the 3 companies had to nominate 1 compound which can be used for a whole meeting, and each national venue nominates the best tyre:confused:

[James]

I think we should all run on Schuey blues, they'd be a bit gash on some wet astro tracks but they work ok in pretty much all other conditions. We might not have the grip levels we do now in ideal circumstances but it would be the same for everyone, they'd last a lot longer too :)

Also as they are so rock hard compound variations would be less of a problem :drool:


I like this idea too :thumbsup:

[Kopite]

TR-32's:drool::drool:

[bigred5765]

make it simple 3 nominated tyres compound open

[Lee]

Which means we would have
shuey: blue, green, yellow
BB, blue, green, (Bleen), pink
GRP, A, B, C

I dont think its that simple

[Richard Lowe]

TR-32's:drool::drool:
Have mercy on the astroturf tracks!

We do need 2 options really as we have now, but then we will be back to the situation we have now as the compounds will probably get softer over time to get people to run X manufacturers tire as they have more grip.

How about two tires, made by different manufacturers. One with a smaller spike suitable for dry/damp and one with a longer spike for wetter weather, and a universal compound used by both manufacturers?

[MattW]

We need to be sure that if anything new is suggested, then it is policeable. You say blues, ok, yeah i'll go with this. Can you be 100% sure that someone has a blue in front of you and not a yellow??

I'm thinking aloud to a certain extent, not saying that it isn't possible, just wondering i guess.

It has been mentioned about having something different in the sidewall - like the comppound. Has anyone asked the manufacture if any of them would be prepared to do this?? As it will certainly add a cost. Would the racers be prepared to stand any added extra cost??

The touring car section mentioned having something new moulded into the wall. I seem to remember all the main manufactures saying that they might be prepared to do it, with enough notice, and a guarentee of a certain number of tyre sales. In the end Take Off were chosen, and because they had the monopoly of all 3 national series, they did mould BRCA into the wall. However, when they came, they were different to the ones we had the previous year (this was allways denied, but essentially no-one believed the denial!!), but they had 100% monopoly, so we were stuck with it.

[telboy]

You could do it so that, BB blues, schuey blues and grp 'c' compound all had to be moulded with the brca logo on the sidewall.
This way you would only need the 3 types of tyres and they would be easy to identify because of the brca marking.

This way, it would keep most happy.

IF companies then want to make the compound softer before the season starts to gain an advantage then that is up to them. But if there was a limit of one set of each 'brand' per meeting, then making them softer would be to no advantage to the company because we could only use one set of that particular tyre per meeting. So if it was softer then most would leave it for the final or final quali due to the extra wear rate.

[Chrislong]

But that's back to a monopoly.
What's the point in other companys developing new tyres then? *cough* GRP *cough*

G

Good point. Id like to be running GRP's next year rather than the others if im honest.

If the rule remains the same, id be pleased to see the same 2 nominations throughout the year. if those 2 nominations are Brands X & Y, then it shuts out Z.

If we have 3 nominations, there becomes too many options in my opinion.

What if the nomination was for 3 brands, but includes compound: i.e.

Schu Yellow Minispike
GRP Conespike C
BB Green Spike (new?)

But then is that impossible to police?

Im starting to come to the conclusion the current rule is most suitable (with the racer in mind), its just having 3 credible brands now causes reason to consider other rules - you guys may have some other ideas, lets see them!

Chris

[bigred5765]

you wouldn't need to carry all 3 if you had to buy your tires from race control, at a set price, same for all then glue up and use them and thats set 1
then if it rains you buy set 2 from a choice of three wets,
and have one choice left for finals or faster type compound.job done

[RogerM]

Carl ..... I have to say that would be a real turn off for people like me entering nationals. I have my tires glued up for Oz ..... all sets are from previous meetings (2 x glued and not used and 1 set that have done 1 run and are still as new due to the track surface being so kind). If I need to go outside these I'll have to go home as I have no money available for tires at this meeting.

Also what about drivers who are "shop supported"? Not only would forcing the drivers to buy from a single source hurt their wallet (lets face it prices would go up) but also the shop which supports them as it's a two way street. For most racers they spend far more a year on tires than they do on all other items cumulatively so if you took those £££s out of the shops everybody would suffer in the long run. :(

If it had been as you suggets at the start of the year then I'd not have entered any national other than my home track ..... I think that would be the case for quite a few others. If that happened then the national series would be the F1s racing and a group of randoms "making up the numbers" each meeting ..... .if anything would kill 1/10th OR that would do it!!!

I can see the merit in just about every other post in this section other than any of yours ..... with all due respect and not wishing to upset you people reading your posts could be forgiven in thinking your a millionaire and if you have to put a new set of tires on each run you'd be prepared to do just that!!!!

One of the reasons I like 1/10th OR so much is that there is more power than we can use and thus having super fresh cells and motors is less of an issue keeping costs down to a level where people aren't "priced out".

Just my honest opinion.



I like the idea of limited number of sets as it takes the wallet out of racing a little more. With the price of fuel and the cost of tires racing is bordering on being a non-viable hobby for many these days.

[Chrislong]

I do agree with you Roger, whatever the rule is: it has got to mean people can turn up and run part worns, people can prepare in advance and people don't have to carry shed loads of tyres as the choice is too broad.... otherwise it'll kill the popularity.

This is why im beginning to conclude that the current rule suits.

[bigred5765]

ya good point just thrashing out every idea,

[Chrislong]

ya good point just thrashing out every idea,

No harm in that - parts of them are good mate ;)

[bert digler]

No harm in that - parts of them are good mate ;)

this is a great idea schuey blues they would last easy a meeting:D what about one set to last the whole day except a finalist who get a new set for legs 2 and three;)

[antnee]

How it works in TC is that before each season all the importers/manufacturers offer their tyre, and what they can offer. It is then offered up to vote for all the people who did at least 1 national the previous year. As mentioned already, last year it was take-off rp30's this year it is sorex 32r's (might be 28's). These both have 'BRCA' in the side wall and also have brca in their part number so you can tell if they're the correct tyres. Also have 1 control tyre means the manufacturer can offer them at a lower price because they have guaranteed sales

If you say for the 3 companies to use there hardest compounds, then they will probally gradually soften up the compound so more racers use them, so it wouldn't work

1 tyes for all with marking in sidewall-simple!

[albertobdq]

Well, here's my idea:

2 set of tyres could be included with the registration fee, those tyres will be previosuly marked by marshall using something like this:

http://www.todotimbre.cl/images/productos/275/img1.jpg

It'd be pretty difficult to cheat, since you purchease the tyres with the registration and they are just labelled from the inside with your license number just before you get them. No other tyres allowed in the racing box.

This way you don't even have to bring your tyres, less stuff to carry to the track.

It's the easiest way to monitor everything. If someone complains about some tyres you just have to check your "tyre-log" with the ID inside the tyre. To improve controll even further you could only purchase one set of tyres at time, when they'd be wasted you have to return them to the marshall who will take note in the "tyre-log" so it couln't be used anymore. This way every driver will only have one set of valid tyres at time, making verifications easier.

You'd do this more sofisticated using speciall ink or logo, difficult to duplicate. To improve control even further you could only purchase one set of tyres at time, when they'd be wasted you have to return them to the marshall who will take note in the "tyre-log" so it couln't be used anymore, and then you'll get your new marked set of tyres. This way every driver will only have one set of valid tyres at time, making verifications easier.

I hope this will be helpfull.

[MattW]

The Sorex tyre for this year's TC nationals isn't marked in the sidewalls.

Having a situation where everyone buys their tyres from the organisers at the race was suggested for TC, and i think rightly it was dismissed as far too much work for the organisers.

I still say personally i think current ruls is ok - although i would support a max number.

[super__dan]

Leave it as it is, there is far more risk in making the current system (which for me works 99% of the time) worse than better!

[RogerM]

this is a great idea schuey blues they would last easy a meeting:D what about one set to last the whole day except a finalist who get a new set for legs 2 and three;)

I like the idea of this ...... 1 set per meeting for the nominated "dry" and "wet" tires, I think it would help with costs overall as there would be no point in using huge power that would just rip the tires apart in the first run! I think you would need to say 1 set of each during competition, +1 for the A guys, (so people could use part worns in practice) in order to give the tires a chance to last at all.

That would be a good thing for most tracks except the rare ones like Ledbury where you can race all day on a set and they still look like new .... no idea how many meetings you'd get out of a set there .... maybe 4 or 5.


One of the things I find most striking talking to our friends across the pond (mainly for Kyosho related information) is that they get quite a few meetings out of a set of tires on their club tracks ...... I had our tire wear situation described as "crazy" by one guy who has been over here to race.

Tires, more particularly wear, were my main concern in coming back to 1/10th from rallycross. I have tires that have run an entire national season in plus club events that I would still be happy to mount up at any event again! I think over 3 years I only used about 5 sets of one type, 3 sets of another and 4 sets of a 3rd tire type. I think I have a couple of sets of "oddball" tires that were supplied as controls at specific events.
If we think about it as average number of events a set it would be about 4 - 5 meetings / set ..... many still with life in them as I say.


I have spoken to quite a few people recntly who sight tire costs equal with travelling costs as reasons not to make the step up from club to regionals .... there must be a similar number who have similar feelings about the step from regionals to nationals.



I do agree with Chris and Dan though that considering where the rest of our rules direct us too the current tire rule is going to be difficult to improve upon without compromising the cost / competativeness ratio too much.

Just goes to show how well developed the 1/10th OR rules are and how well guided the section has been over the last couple of decades.

[markwilliamson2001]

I agree Rog,

I did just regionals last 2 years, but since now racing at club level, I have had to just cut my racing down, especially because of rising fuel costs etc etc. I might not even do any regionals this year, but just concentrate on club racing as tyres last well (about 4 meetings is okay befor performance totally disappears!).

However I will miss racing outside, as it was much more fun!

[Lee]

I will pretty much echo what has been said before in regards to how good our current rules are.

If you take the people who have posted in this thread and add up all there experience there is probably 150 years + in experience in various classes and nobody has really come up with a proposal that will help our section without any downsides.

I think the only thing that has been suggested that i would like to see is a limit of 2 sets per day regardless of what the weather does, if it rains and you have used two sets of yellows then tuff.

The only reason i say this is because average drivers like myself and im sure a lot of people around my skill level would probably only use 2 sets any way, so having an option of a 3rd "wet" set would then be increasing costs.

Obviously an extra set would be allowed for the A finalists.

[niggs98]

personally i think it should be opened up to 3 types of tyre to make it more open to the manufacturers of other brands cough grp cough but in the same rules as we have now, yes it means we carry a few extra sets of tyres but at the same point dont we all as racers chat on here and ask what is the best tyre for each track, iv rarely seen a club or driver lie about what they are going to use so it wont mean that we have to buy 20 milion extra sets like people are worried about, i like the idea of limiting sets but honestly feel it is (a) difficult to police, sort out and more importantly (b) i saw a lot of people shredding tyres last year on various tracks so what happens at that point, i for one would complain bitterly if i had 2 right rears go so had to reverse a already run left as it would throw the handling right out on my car. so what im hoping they will let happen is to just go to 3 types as then people can vote with their walets to run the better made tyres which will force the other manufactures to sort out the fiasco's we have had before

[Kopite]

the first thing i think to myself when i look at a track is 'great, concrete section, that'll destroy the tyres'. the other track surfaces seem to provide a fairly decent wear rate, where two sets would last a meeting easily, regardless of what level you feel you race at.

Say NO to concrete!!!:thumbdown:

[markwilliamson2001]

I agree Kopite...

Sometimes kiddy puts me off in that respect, especially if they have a lot of the bricked sections. I also think the reason why Ledbury didn't rip tyres to shreds was because it was damp, and also they had no tarmac/concrete. Excellent!

[Cockerill]

Say NO to concrete!!!:thumbdown:

I agree :thumbsup:

[antnee]

If it was limited to 2 sets a day, how would the 2 sets be marked?

If you mark the wheel and the wheel gets broken what happens?
Can't mark the inside as any dispute would mean cutting tyres open

So some sort of visible ink, that will show up on black, that wont come off in the wet and can't be easily reproduced would be needed

[Chrislong]

This weekend has been a good example of a tyre rule working.

Weather stayed nice, there was no 'local knowledge' on tyres and pretty much one obvious choice - with a few people choosing to try compounds.

*Tyre wear has also been amazingly good - all my tyres are great and will be used at Southport national & Stotfold, along with any saved from Talywine.

After a few chats, and this discussion - personally I conclude that nothing should change.

Id like to see GRP's on the list, but for that - we must use them at none national events to proove they can be suitable for nomination in 2009. But I also like the fact that because the nomination is the same all year; all my tyres can be used again if wear is low, or if I don't use all the packs bought (see *)

Chris

[tony12795]

At the end of the day it’s all about cost and grip for us racers and that’s it.

These are my thoughts:-

· Two makes of manufactures tires.
· Fixed pricing negotiated (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=negotiated&spell=1) by the BRCA or a maximum price on the assumption that they are going to be cheaper for us racers.
· Two sets of tires for the meeting but not including practice.

No to concrete and tarmac. :thumbdown:

[Cockerill]

After some discussion I think most of us have come to realise that the current rule is probably best. Maybe after this season at club/regional level the GRP tires will become an option next year for some nationals.

I would like cheap, quality, consistent tires, realistically we will only ever get two, but that's business. With a bit more competition the tires will only get better/cheaper.

I did notice that the Yellows I bought this weekend were miles better than the ones I got at Kiddy :thumbsup:

[Welshy40]

I say screw the tyre control. Each individual has their own favourite tyre for each type of surface they race on.

The only reason you control tyres is to make this hobby more boring and make people quit, as to many rules ruins it. Motors dont have the same ruling, batteries dont either or escs or servos, as we can all race corally, or orion or reedy or whatever make we prefer etc and the list goes on so why should tires come under that banner.

[Southwell]

I take it you don't race in nationals?

[Chrislong]

Welshy, that is such utter rubbish - ive actually deleted a whole bunch of swear words.

How did you get on with the tyre rule yesterday? I am guessing you are not talking from experience, is experience important??? yes.

[Lee]

Welshy, that is probably the most crap i have ever read in six lines.

Would you really want to carry boxes and boxes of tyres to every national just in case, everything from holeshots to mini pins and every possible compound in between:thumbdown:

I know i wouldn`t and im sure it would put more people off than just making them choose between two brands of tyre and maybe 4 compounds, which the shops on site will most likely have also.

If your going to post crap i think raceshat is the place for you, i think they will appreciate you:)

[Welshy40]

Chris, what swear words, I didnt use any.

Experience, Ive done the nationals for about six or seven years, and have over 20 years experience doing regional and Reedy events, and pretty much everything there has been in this country. I preferred my bag of tires, as I knew what worked for me and the specified tyres did not always work well. I dont like being told what I can and cant use, this does actually put people of racing at these events, hence why I dont really support these events anymore. Some beginners will have problems with this as they spend a lot of time setting up their cars using a particular tyre and then go to an event and get told they cant use that type. Its very unfair and they may not be so good at setting a car up as you and I.

Lee this is a forum, or didnt you read that. A forum is for every ones views, including yours and mine. Live with it and if you dont like what I am saying you can always read elsewhere.

[yin]

actually seeing as tyres are the biggest part of the car setup,i think it's best to have control over it.
it also makes it cheaper for your average racer.
with referance to motor's and batteries,the power you can put down is governed by your tyres.hence more power is not always better.

[Chrislong]

The swear words were in my own reply.

[Lee]

Lee this is a forum, or didnt you read that. A forum is for every ones views, including yours and mine. Live with it and if you dont like what I am saying you can always read elsewhere.

Now thats me told:lol:


I do apologise and i apoligise on behalf of everyone else who disagrees with you (ie oOple/Brca) welshy you are right as always.


Do you have any friends?

[johnboy]

i dont race at nationals but reading this post i think you are doing the right thing in talking about making the racing cheaper the cost to race is getting expensive now with rising fuel costs things like that. anyway my thought is why not trial some form of tyre control at club events and regionals and if you find that something works try it at nationals just a thought .

[Lee]

Well after speaking to PW at the weekend we discussed the tyre rules briefly and he made some very good points. If we control the number of sets allowed then we could actually end up costing people more. You dont want to drive 200 mile to an event and choose 2 dry sets and then round 3 it decides to pee down, your day is knackered and you will feel annoyed with yourself and the rules. Similar if you crack a rim in round 1, you are forced to use a new set, then its a gamble as you cant predict UK weather.

Nominated tyres could change next year, that is possible but its us the racers who have to try the new tyres and give feedback to the clubs/regional reps etc so they can be nominated for the following year.

Also remember that the clubs have to submit there request for a national around october time (approx) i would also assume that at this time they would nominate the tyres that they would recommend for their track. So if BB get their new spike out in september its probably unlikely to be on next years list.

[Northy]

well, maybe.....

G