SORC 2013 ideas

[Racing Snake]

If you have any constructive ideas for the 2013 season then please post them in this thread.

We can always improve things :D

[D20MCK]

More big air! :thumbsup:

[Dave77]

A season that doesnt stop in the middle of summer. :)

Since the F2s and Regional F345 is based on "previous year grading" there is no need to have the season complete by 12th August.

[D20MCK]

That's a good point Dave, I've been really busy lately and have been unable to attend the last few round but that's it all over now and I have not attended enough rounds to count in the championship this year. Would be nice if we had more outdoor running next year (when I'm not working!!).

[Mr Eccleston]

A season that doesnt stop in the middle of summer. :)

Since the F2s and Regional F345 is based on "previous year grading" there is no need to have the season complete by 12th August.

Need clarification from John, but although it's last years grades that are used, I think it's this years results that determine the EOS competitors. I always remember having to have the regionals finished before the EOS entries have to be in.

[Mr Eccleston]

Ideas for 2013

More people to turn up at the AGM to develope the ideas and guidelines.

More heats, prefer if it's more racers taking part in the series, but if we need less cars running in a heat so be it. Need it to allow time to get cars ready. If anyone has another format that would work don't be shy, please share.

Referee on rostrum with drivers watching driving, controlling entry and exit to rostrum.

Final rostrum position decided by qualification.

Sand available at all rounds to deal with any lipo problems.

[Dave77]

Need clarification from John, but although it's last years grades that are used, I think it's this years results that determine the EOS competitors. I always remember having to have the regionals finished before the EOS entries have to be in.

Valid point, understood.

[V6Jim]

Well, the obvious thing is to boost the entries. In my day there was no separate 2WD & 4WD classes. However, I think the two classes are a good idea - effectively boosting the racing numbers.

Publicity is the thing. We (listen to me - I don't even have a car! Yet.) need to make people aware of the existence of this racing series. Facebook is good. Local papers can play their part, as can local TV stations. Hard work by a small core of enthusiasts can make a huge difference in small local groups. Model or toy shops can be a useful hub.

Hopefully, along with this, we can generate one or two more venues. The way things are now reminds me so much of the way things were when we started out in 1985. 20 -30 racers and 3 venues. We developed back then quite quickly into a massively successful series attracting 100+ drivers at most events.

It can be done.

I feel a project coming on...

Jimmy

[Racing Snake]

yes the current seasons positions are used to enter people into the EoS finals however that doesn't mean we couldn't have a winter series

[KennyClark]

Run 2wd & 4wd rounds separate.
2 classes in 1 day is a nightmare.
Plus it would give us more racing.

[Racing Snake]

I've voted Yes to running the classes on separate days as with how stressful it can be I think it's the way forward. The only draw back to this is that I'm not sure we have enough numbers to do this yet but there again it may get more people running both classes.

A lot of thought needs put into this

[Racing Snake]

I would like to see the host clubs put forward a team of maybe 3 or 4 people to help with the running of a race meeting. This would be to assist with race timing/refereeing/scrutineering etc.


In future hopefully with more & more people using the online booking in system that the heats could be generated prior to the event. This would allow for timed practice sessions which allows a fairer spread of practice between the drivers.


Also those that do book in online (hopefully everyone in the future) that then decide not to turn up to an event to give notification of their intent not to race. First it's good manors & second it saves any problems during booking in on the day.


I think the contribution to the SORC Kitty by the host clubs should be increased to £40-£50 per event (paid upfront on on the day of the event) as we always seem to have a good turn out (will only get better) & in some cases the host clubs can be taking in over £300. This would allow the SORC more flexibility & would also mean that the drivers would get a little more back for their dedication.


The SORC to be a personal transponder only championship with no handouts. Most drivers have Pt's these days & this also makes the host clubs life much easier. Also now that the rechargeable transponders are obsolete the SORC would inevitably have to go down this road.


In the instance of a 1 car final a meeting with the final of the drivers above ie B final drivers asking to allow the single driver in thus creating a 11 car final. They would all have to agree as the 11th driver obviously can have a huge effect on the outcome of the final, if even 1 should driver should disagree then it would remain as a single car final.
The single car final also poses the problem of having to find 9 volunteer marshalls which is not any easy task.

[jason-l]

Think I'll abstain on the split meeting proposal since I will probably be sticking with just 2WD next season, and I recognise how manic it is for guys in both classes. But I wonder if any buzz/atmosphere would be lost if the meetings were split? ...and could most of those running both classes commit to 14 Sundays? It would be a shame if it reduced the numbers at any meetings.

The single car final also poses the problem of having to find 9 volunteer marshalls which is not any easy task.
It must suck being in a one car final, but surely such a final doesn't strictly-speaking need more than one marshall does it, John? Or am I missing something?

I mean, the driver is not racing anybody, so a minimum one marshall is enough? But I acknowledge that slow marshalling would further reduce their already reduced enjoyment at the end of their day.

[Mr Eccleston]

I have voted no to separate days, we shouldn't be reducing the club meetings, if we don't have healthy clubs we don't have an sorc series.

Regarding 1 car finals, again sorry no. It's not up to the drivers on the day but all drivers as it effects series results, not just meeting results. We need to stick to the rules for consistency as per the brca .

Regarding extra money for extra flexibility, again no. Give it to the clubs reinvest in the meetings that way we all benefit, what does the sorc need money for. I don't have a problem if a club decides to donate money to the sorc .

That's my opinion.

[traffman]

I voted yes to seperate days for both classes.
Personally i don't race both , but watching poor Ian flying around trying to sort his 2wd then 4wd was obviously stressfull for the likes of him.

It's allways a great turn out for the SORC series which is encouraging.

Regards , paul.

[Racing Snake]

See this is all good as we're getting feedback from the important people the people who race.

I like your point about the money Derek but after having the engraving done by the cheapest quote in Falkirk I think we may be struggling with the trophies at the end of this year. That is my reasoning behind my point.



Could a format for a SORC event be:

Qualifying:

2WD RD1
2WD RD2
4WD RD1
4WD RD2

2WD RD3
2WD RD4
4WD RD3
4WD RD4

(the classes could also be alternated at every round of the championship with 2WD 1st at round 1 then 4WD 1st at round 2 etc etc)

Finals (as is):

2WD Leg1
4WD Leg1

2WD Leg2
4WD Leg2

2WD Leg3
4WD Leg3

(Final class orientation would match that of qualifying)

This way during qualifying at a SORC event it allows drivers to concentrate on 1 car for 2 rounds of qualifying at a time. The downside to this being that if you are only running 1 class you will have a long break at certain times during the day.

Any thoughts

[jason-l]

Qualifying:

2WD RD1
2WD RD2
4WD RD1
4WD RD2

2WD RD3
2WD RD4
4WD RD3
4WD RD4

(the classes could also be alternated at every round of the championship with 2WD 1st at round 1 then 4WD 1st at round 2 etc etc)


The only possible issue I see with that is if a driver damages his car in RDs 1 or 3 it is potentially a greater penalty than if it were in RDs 2 or 4, ie. there's a much shorter time period to repair for the next round.

[V6Jim]

Surely dividing your already low(ish) entries effectively in half is a bad idea. I realize that some of those racing two classes are going to have some hectic moments, but that has got to be a small price to pay for a busier meeting. You still only have 40 - 50 drivers to cope with, so 4 rounds of heats and finals should be a fairly leisurely affair anyway...

Until such time as you are faced with 50-70 entries for each class separate meetings should be avoided. In fact, in a way, a bigger entry might make it easier for the drivers in two classes, allowing an organizer to split the drivers with both types into more separated heats.

If it is decided to split the classes into separate days then it might be an idea to have Saturday 2WD then Sunday 4WD. Or vice versa.

This, of course, is coming from somebody who hasn't been to a meeting for 20 years!

Jimmy

[Mr Eccleston]

John

I'm happy we're all thinking about different format ideas, but can't see how yours would work any better than current if we still run the meetings the same way i.e. quickly.

Great we can concentrate on 1 car for two rounds, but if you break it when does it get fixed if you are back out racing and marshalling the second car.

What we need in my opinion is more racers, agreed easier said than done, but if we could get to 8 heats (doesn't really matter the 2wd/4wd mix) it would give time. Let say we have 4 heats of both. Race then marshall, then you have 2 heats plus the gap in between heats to repair or change the car.

If we can reduce the time between heats from the 4m + just now to 2.5min's, then we could also have a 10 minute break end of round, more time to fix the cars. This obviously relies on getting started on time which in turn puts pressure on the track builders to be finished.

Other idea is possibly to drop a final round or two, but potentially add another round of qual.

Another idea could be try a couple of meetings with just 2wd and 4wd seperate, see how many drivers turn up. We could run both classes on the day so those that don't have both a 2wd and 4wd could still run.

It would also be interesting to hear what the drivers thought about the meetings this year, they obviously ran a little longer than previous, finishing typically at 6pm, but everyone had more racing, 4 heats and 3 finals. Was the longer day with more racing preferred to less racing and a shorter day.

Derek

[discothesnake]

TBH i cant really see how we can improve things until we have more racers. Two separate classes is never gonna work as you will never encourage people to buy another car. It's just too expensive. Motors, lipos, tyres, radio gear etc.

I know we have spoken about different ways to run the meetings but until more racers turn up i think the current format is the only way to go.

Saying that, i think we could cut out a round of qualifying to make for more time. Either that or make it one final for all. After all, thats all you get at National level is it not? (excluding A final of course)

Dave

[jason-l]

The highlight of a meet for me are the races - it would be a great loss to drop from 3 finals to an all-or-nothing 1.

Personally, after making the commitment to drive to a round for a day's racing it doesn't matter if the meet finishes at 4pm, 5pm, 6pm or 7pm. It's all about getting the best VFM out the day IYSWIM. So I don't understand why there's a discussion about getting finished earlier than we presently do :confused:

As for the problem of repairing/preparing cars between rounds etc being eased if there were an increased entrants and therefore a greater number of heats (say 8 rather than the current, typical 6 - as Derek mentions)... Well, in that case why not just introduce the same time gap at the end of a round of heats/finals artificially?? Simples.

[dasbo]

Here's my tuppence worth.

I voted "no" for seperate days for the same reason most have already given. Plus I dont think my brownie points would stretch for 14 days away. For the moment, 2WD will be my "supporting class" but we'll see how that pans out once I do more racing with it. (I certainly did better with it at the last Falkirk round). 7 races is quite a lot for one day and I would be okay with dropping one race if it makes it easier and more enjoyable for everyone. (4 qualifiers and 2 finals, or 3 qualifiers and 3 finals - as per our club rounds at SDRCC )

All in all I think we are heading in the right direction and most seem to enjoy the racing in the current format. However, I'll welcome any changes for the better.

[V6Jim]

Ahhh -hadn't realized you were doing 4 quali rounds and 3 finals each. Wow. 7 races for everybody. No wonder it's hectic! I assumed it was still 4 rounds of heats and one final each and 3 A's.

Yeah, that would have to probably change with increasing numbers right enough...

Jimmy

[Martin Wallace]

Ahhh -hadn't realized you were doing 4 quali rounds and 3 finals each. Wow. 7 races for everybody. No wonder it's hectic! I assumed it was still 4 rounds of heats and one final each and 3 A's.

Yeah, that would have to probably change with increasing numbers right enough...

Jimmy


yup, hectic is the word, for me 4 rounds and one final each only from B onwards. 3 A final legs for only the A final. it was like that years ago and worked with over 60,70,80+drivers.

also did the meetings not start at 8 or around 8.30. what time did they start when you raced jimmy. (late 80,s) Maybe starting rounds at 9 instead of 10.open practice from 8 for an hour.

As for 2 classes, its best to have it on the same day, for now, Think of the cost inlvolved for racing 2 days for some people who have to travel far. we want to increase numbers not lose them.
keep it as it is as dave says the numbers are low, wait till they pick up and start playing with that idea for 2 days. running separate days would lose the atmosphere also.

Run the 2wd as above also. 4 rounds 3 A mains and single finals below thatwill cut time down. then use that time to gap the 4wd and 2wd timetable.
my views....feel free to bash them up:p

[Mr Eccleston]

Here's an idea to throw in the mix.

4 rounds equal, 1 eight minute final.

Each round must be equivalent to 8 heats time.

I'm away to hide now.

[discothesnake]

An eight minute final for everyone? No chance. It's hard enough getting people to Marshall for five minutes let alone eight!

I think easiest way to do it is drop a round of qualifying and go back to FTQ.

Either that or just one final for all. I think 3 finals get boring. Especially if your running both classes. 14 races is a lot in one mentally quick day.

Dave

[jason-l]

[devil's advocate mode]

Whilst I appreciate it's like that at National level and was the same up here with large numbers in the past, I struggle to see how reducing the number of finals to 1 for B downwards will encourage newbies and growth.

Travel 1-2hrs+ knowing that you'll certainly only get one race at the end of the day? For many drivers (if only running one class, and attending every round) that would mean only 7 races in the entire SORC season...

Surely better to reduce the number of qualifying rounds if extra time *really* has to be engineered that way?

I note everyone proposing only 3 finals for the A are folk who are pretty much guaranteed to always qualify for the A ;) :D

[/devil's advocate mode]

Humble /2p from a 'non-A finaler' when rounds don't have numerous absentees

[KennyClark]

John Allan's motors would never last 8 mins!

[orinoco]

Of all the posts and ideas so far, I think I agree with Martins views. This should give that bit of extra time needed to slow the day down a bit and make it feel a bit less hectic. I really struggle with running both classes myself and one for Jamie nevermind if one of us breaks a car. I wouldn't want to stop racing one class, and Martins proposal seems like a good compromise for the time being. I don't think separate days is the way forward either, I think attendance numbers would plummet and the atmosphere would be lacking too, costs would also be prohibitive in this format.

[V6Jim]

yup, hectic is the word, for me 4 rounds and one final each only from B onwards. 3 A final legs for only the A final. it was like that years ago and worked with over 60,70,80+drivers.

also did the meetings not start at 8 or around 8.30. what time did they start when you raced jimmy. (late 80,s) Maybe starting rounds at 9 instead of 10.open practice from 8 for an hour.

As for 2 classes, its best to have it on the same day, for now, Think of the cost inlvolved for racing 2 days for some people who have to travel far. we want to increase numbers not lose them.
keep it as it is as dave says the numbers are low, wait till they pick up and start playing with that idea for 2 days. running separate days would lose the atmosphere also.

Run the 2wd as above also. 4 rounds 3 A mains and single finals below thatwill cut time down. then use that time to gap the 4wd and 2wd timetable.
my views....feel free to bash them up:p

Back in the day... at a typical Dumfries run BRCA National. Briefing at 8.30. Practice 8.45. First heat 10.00. 4 rounds of 12 ten car heats. 14 finals (3 A's). Presentation of troph's at 5 ish. Home. Ta Daa!

This required a fairly merciless schedule and a fair bit of 'encouragement' throughout the day! Usually went pretty smoothly. Usually.

Jimmy

[discothesnake]

[devil's advocate mode]

Whilst I appreciate it's like that at National level and was the same up here with large numbers in the past, I struggle to see how reducing the number of finals to 1 for B downwards will encourage newbies and growth.

Travel 1-2hrs+ knowing that you'll certainly only get one race at the end of the day? For many drivers (if only running one class, and attending every round) that would mean only 7 races in the entire SORC season...

Surely better to reduce the number of qualifying rounds if extra time *really* has to be engineered that way?

I note everyone proposing only 3 finals for the A are folk who are pretty much guaranteed to always qualify for the A ;) :D

[/devil's advocate mode]

Humble /2p from a 'non-A finaler' when rounds don't have numerous absentees

I'm not a fan of the 3 A final scenario. I would much rather have one final for all than go that way.

Jason, how do you work out 7 races a season? If you mean seven finals then that's fine, qualifying to me is always the main part of the meeting.

And surely there should be some sort of incentive for getting to the A final? And remind me Jason, we're you not in the A last week? :confused:

[D20MCK]

costs would also be prohibitive in this format.

sell your porsche then :p

In all seriousness I think what Martin is saying sounds best with the A final only having 3 legs, I don't always make the A final but I think it should change, it's daft to run a three leg final for one or two cars is it not?. A 9am start would also save loads of hanging about.

[jason-l]

Jason, how do you work out 7 races a season? If you mean seven finals then that's fine, qualifying to me is always the main part of the meeting.
It's maybe cos I'm still getting my teeth into this, but I find qualifying and racing quite different experiences, Dave. Maybe that will change as I get a better feel for (and understanding of) things.

And surely there should be some sort of incentive for getting to the A final? And remind me Jason, we're you not in the A last week? :confused:
I was, but realistically only because several quicker, far more experienced guys were absent. Hence describing myself as a 'non-A finaler' :)

[Martin Wallace]

Back in the day... at a typical Dumfries run BRCA National. Briefing at 8.30. Practice 8.45. First heat 10.00. 4 rounds of 12 ten car heats. 14 finals (3 A's). Presentation of troph's at 5 ish. Home. Ta Daa!

This required a fairly merciless schedule and a fair bit of 'encouragement' throughout the day! Usually went pretty smoothly. Usually.

Jimmy


thats the one jimmy..........

i remember when i first started off road back in 93, the scottish rounds were 4 rounds ftq, and 3 leg finals for the A main. 1 final B,C,D,E,F....

this little rule gave you that extra push to try and make an A final, i thought it was great....:thumbsup:. a nice little headache to try and find an extra 2-3 sets of nicads for the A final back then. loved it:wub


oh and running an 8min final............................................: wtf:. NA

[paul whittock]

hi everyone
in comment to jimmys thread on new venues,
i am starting to post pics up of the new all weather asro turf track we are building in sutherland. i will keep you all posted soon cheers. oh....... how do i attach pics ? ...............right ill sort it and get back to ya:mad:

[V6Jim]

hi everyone
in comment to jimmys thread on new venues,
i am starting to post pics up of the new all weather asro turf track we are building in sutherland. i will keep you all posted soon cheers. oh....... how do i attach pics ? ...............right ill sort it and get back to ya:mad:

I use photobucket to upload my pictures to, then use it to supply the necessary tags to pop the photo onto the forum....

Sutherland? Postcode for the venue so we can Google to goggle...

Jimmy

[Racing Snake]

with the small number of finals we have ie only an A, B, sometimes a C & if we're lucky a D then arranging the finals with only the A having 3 legs would be a nightmare.

how would you arrange it:

1) A, D, C, A, B, A

2) A, D, A, C, B, A


Only down to C Final:

1) A, C, A, B, A

Only A & B finals:

1) A, B, A, A

2) A, A, B, A

3) B, A, A, A


I just think with the lack of numbers we have a single final for everyone except the A who'd get a 3 leg final just wouldn't work. In the past there were many more racers meaning more finals making scheduling much easier & more sensible.

Our race meetings at the moment YES can be hectic if you're running both classes as if you break you have very little time to fix your car.

Starting earlier would give us more time but how about the following for the coming year:

Racing start = 9:00am
Qualifying = 4 rounds (round by round rules)
Finals = 2 legs for B - Z & 3 legs for A final

This allows for the following Final schedule:

A Final (Leg 1) then 1st leg of the rest
A Final (Leg 2) then 2nd leg of the rest
A Final (Leg 3) finish

This gives incentive to get into the A Final as you'd get 1 more race for your money

This would gain us 2 hours worth of time as starting a hour earlier & reducing the finals by a hour as only have 2 legs for the main pack.


Kenny think your right my 5.5t would definitely not last it would go into nuclear meltdown. Think the coolest my motor has came off after a 5min race is 86 DegC & hottest being 126 DegC lol

[paul whittock]

cheers ill look into photobucket cheers postcode iv243dj rain rain and more rain , so not much done im just waiting fro sand then i can lay down the astro and start building jumps.:)

[paul whittock]

right here we go:)http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/30f758cb.jpg

[paul whittock]

yey it worked:woot:http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/14a40bd7.jpg

[KennyClark]

Always good to see another track coming together Paul.
Is Sutherland up beside Dornoch?

[paul whittock]

yes it is not far

[paul whittock]

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/DEFD9028-2AC5-4979-9303-600614F85945-2301-000004434E870D6F_zpsf4dc4f6c.jpghttp://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/01F873A1-C78E-4D8E-9CD3-DED6C4308254-2301-00000443389805A3_zps587c3819.jpg



http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/02D352E6-AF9C-4E4A-AA5D-BE8D1DD200A0-2301-00000442E790BFF3_zpsc81d7893.jpg

[paul whittock]

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/01F873A1-C78E-4D8E-9CD3-DED6C4308254-2301-00000443389805A3_zps587c3819.jpg

[dasbo]

Looks like its coming along nicely Paul. Good work.

[Racing Snake]

Yeah looking good Paul :thumbsup:

you got a postcode or something so we can locate the nearest airport :p lol

Where did you source your astro turf from?

[paul whittock]

Hi ya got it from sterling uni free on collection they had loads of it I got 27 tonnes of the stuff

[paul whittock]

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/9180ABDA-141E-4DE0-AE9B-7350134E8118-5366-0000116045CDA25D_zpsa396e0c1.jpg

[paul whittock]

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/B5094CB3-9716-44BB-AF9E-546851C077FD-5366-0000116052EB40BD_zpsd8bb911a.jpg

[paul whittock]

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/0A01AB26-557B-45B7-A801-09E76D3E3CB4-5366-000011605DCAB4C8_zps794911ae.jpg

[paul whittock]

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/F62FC2E9-2D4C-4247-912C-5DE23E7BBF0A-5366-00001160699E53AF_zps6893bff4.jpg

[Racing Snake]

Looking good Paul & looks fun

[paul whittock]

Hi yes thats the way we had to,build it due to ground layout , not big but technical and fun

[jaywestwood]

Hey ,

Have a look at surrey and hants as they use a similar size venue and have some good layouts.. Looking good Paul :woot:

[traffman]

Ooh def fancy a shot on that! Excellent work.

[orinoco]

Me too, looking good, will it be ready for a round of the Scottish next year?

[KennyClark]

Make it a 2 day event because of the distance!

[Martin Wallace]

Need to get this added into the fixtures for next year surely.

[paul whittock]

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/17A9558E-89FB-484C-B987-A540BE10E4FD-569-00000083B124D997_zps3fcb1223.jpg

[paul whittock]

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/132D848D-CEAA-473D-B789-720B5F7EA696-569-00000083A2756FA0_zps34be1169.jpg

[paul whittock]

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s436/whittock1/CB503B2E-A858-40D6-802B-313014EF0042-569-00000083C55D3F45_zps18bfd308.jpg

[paul whittock]

you could run 2wd one day and 4wd the next ? we should be done by next year the basics are in place just getting it looking pretty and sort out rostrum and pitting area. this could be in the carpark at the top of track but its tarmack (one thought). or down out track side (i would just need to clear stuff out and lay down some astro this would be easier for tent pegs and such. but i could have pittng in the garage next door plenty of room there got 226 sq meters of room .

[discothesnake]

Paul that is really fantastic looking. Will make for some tight, close racing.

Well done mate, look forward to racing on it.

Dave

[Martin Wallace]

Paul that is really fantastic looking. Will make for some tight, close racing.

Well done mate, look forward to racing on it.

Dave



eco daves words, this looks great, are you planning to run a club on this track every week during summer or whats your plans paul?

[discothesnake]

I'm really hoping the track width is legal. Have you measured it Paul?

[gwesty]

Looking forward to my visit paul :) Glenn x

[Mr Eccleston]

Paul

Suggest you have an upramp on your jump downramp, if a car doesn't make it over there is no way out. Apart from that looking good, few hours spent on that this year.

Derek

[D20MCK]

I'm really hoping the track width is legal. Have you measured it Paul?

Who is going to be bothered about that? If people want to race on this track let them.

[gwesty]

Paul said its 3m straight , 2.5m infield . All good for regionals etc

[discothesnake]

Who is going to be bothered about that? If people want to race on this track let them.

I'm only asking the question Dave. If it is gonna be used as a Scottish round it's got to be the right width. I wasn't having a go.

[StevieD]

Im sure paul will post a video when its finished to show how it should be driven

[KennyClark]

Personally I think it looks great.
Well done guys.
I look forward to racing on it when it opens.

[paul whittock]

Hi all thanks for the suggestions. Yes I am running a club all year . As glen said The track width is 3 m wide on straight and 2.5 on infield with a 20 m start and finish she was built with regionals in mind (just future proofing). The ski jump is still to be finished watch this space . Thanks for all the comments . I will keep pics coming .