Sanwa exzes-x compatible receivers

[carrot]

I have an exzes-x with the rx451 receivers and need an additional receiver.Is there a receiver from another manufacturer that is compatible,i heard an ansmann one works but which one if it does,thanks

[steveuk]

Hi

Like you I'm looking for a cheaper alternative, but I'm struggling. I have ansmann 3.1 compatible receiver, but it will not bind. I saw something about using a different mode so switched to fh2, but no joy.

I think the issue is that the x is fhss2 or fhss3, whereas the plus is fhss so therefore compatible. I could be wrong as I don't know anyone with a plus.

Would be interested to hear if you do find something.

Steve

[Balders]

Sorry to drag up an old post but did anyone find anything that would work?

Cheers

[paulc]

I've been using an Ansmann R3.1 without any problems but not sure if you can still buy them. I think there is an LRP reciever that also works with the Sanwa but not sure witch one it is

[gixxer]

The ansmann r3.1 does work u have a couple of them and use 1 with my exzes x just change the mode to fhss2 and bind as normal easy

[Great_Thark]

LRP is the C3-RX

[martgifford]

One further question to this

If I have an old m11 with Sanwa 2.4 module fitted using ansmann 3.1 rx. Can I buy a new Exzes and use a new rx and ansmann 3.1 rx without constantly changing settings. Ie can you have it setup for one model to use the 'old technology' and setup on a different model memory to use the new tech

I hope I make sense

Just makes me think it could be a good way to save costs

[sime46]

Yes mate. You can have each model on a different modulation mode if you like. Eg, model 1 on fh2, model 2 on fhss3 etc. All settings are individual to each model in the memory.

[martgifford]

hmmm that seems very positive

saves me a heap of cash and can keep the old m11 for someone to use to race against. - would this be the same though with any sanwa

so an mt4 m11x and m12?

[RogerM]

It is the same with the Gemini X and the MT4, not sure on any others but I think all of their dedicated 2.4GHz systems run similar configuration firmware.

[sime46]

I've just got the Exzes Z and its the same except it runs higher speed at the top end I believe. Good news is it works all my older rx's too including an Ansmann. :thumbsup:

[Jayk]

digging up an old post again.... anyone found any other receivers current or old working with exzes X ?????

[dale]

The 371w works. Cheap and waterproof! Little bigger than the other receivers but worth a look.

[Jayk]

Im actually after some small rx's now for the exzes z, b44, b5m, sv2.
So for the 2wd the smaller the better.
So is that correct the ansmann ones work with the Z ?, well if anyones got any kicking around please let me know, sanwa ones are expensive and ansmann ones seem hard to get.

[john333]

Can't understand why you buy an exzes z and then scrimp on cheap receivers? The z is fhss4 but the cheapo ansmann type ones are fhss2 at best. Like buying a Ferrari and sticking a fiesta engine in it.

[Jayk]

Calm down if your not gonna be helpful then why post, had a bad day or something ?

The reality is i like the feel and weight of the exzes and if you dont mind spending on over priced receivers then fine, but i dont.
Response times mean nothing to me i just wanted a new sanwa transmitter is that ok ?

[john333]

No I've had a fantastic day actually, just pointing out that the cheaper receivers are way slower than the proper ones. Maybe other readers might find this info useful even if you aren't bothered.

With your somewhat aggressive response maybe its you who's had a bad one?

[Jayk]

Not aggressive at all i just wasnt aware there was actually a big noticeable difference with speed thanks you made me think again about scrimpin im gonna order a proper receiver now.

Thanks again

[shaun m]

soo what abou the ansmann w5/w6 receivers , are they compatible too ?

[RogerM]

Sadly not shaun.

As for the speed difference I can tell the difference between the RXs on FHSS2 and FHSS3, not got a TX that will do FHSS4 so can't tell you how much faster that is but it should definitely be noticeable.

[shaun m]

cheers roger:thumbsup: , am considering changing my futaba 3gr for a sanwa exzes , altho nothing wrong with my 3gr , but got it 2nd hand and had it 18months !! , feel like some retail thereapy is in order :woot:

[shaun m]

im considering getting the exzes z , ive seen some conflicting reports about what receivers work and what does'nt , can anyone confirm if the sanwa 371w will work ??

think it going to be quite exspensive ( need 3 rx's in total !!) and ned to do the math's first !!!:thumbsup:

[shaun m]

sorry double post

[RC Kev]

FHSS4 is only any use to you if you have compatible Sanwa servos on this pdf

http://www.sanwa-denshi.com/rc/common/pdf/rx_sx_esc_conform.pdf

LRP have a helpful compatibility file too

http://www.lrp.cc/en/service/who-needs-what/?file=8478

[Southwell]

Does anyone know if any very cheap receivers are compatible and available? This is only for VRC use, not proper racing.

[spiboom85]

Hi Guys

again sorry open up an old post just wanting some help, and just to make clear, I don't want any cheap crap receiver :thumbsup:

I'm Currently using the Sanwa exzes X,,,,, in my TM2 and Evo, iv got a TM4 on its way, First 2 cars have the Revolution RX-451R Super Response Receivers in, Nice cost :D

I need a 3rd receiver for the TM4, now iv noticed the Sanwa Exzes Z comes with the RX - 471 Airtronics 92014, receiver

is there a difference in response speed from the 451R to the 471

as im always wanting to stay up to date with new spec, just not sure if the 471 is compatible with my Exzes X

or should I just stick with the 451R

Thanks Steve :thumbsup:

[Andrew Twigger]

Hi Steve,

I can tell you that the 471 works with the Exzes X as that's what I have. In terms of response speed, I can't give you a technical answer, but even the 451R was faster than my thumbs could ever manage so I wouldn't discount it on that basis. I think the 471 has a smaller footprint, but other than that, the discernible differences are negligible.

HTH

[Southwell]

I'm using a 481 in my 2wd now, i'd pay the extra £10 for it.

[PaulRotheram]

I thought only the Z worked with the 481? Those receivers look good if they work on both??

[neallewis]

I thought only the Z worked with the 481? Those receivers look good if they work on both??

No, the Z works with the 472 and 482 (and 451,451R,471,481). The 481 is X compatible. It's the one with integral antenna and smaller footprint.

471's are meant to the be faster response than the 451R, but I doubt is noticeable by most. I can't feel difference between my 451R, 471 and 481.

[PaulRotheram]

Cheers neal, good to know for the future! Not planning to get a Z, not enough to get me to swap for the price.

[MattW]

Both X and Z can be used with pretty much all of them - possibly not the really early ones. The only advantage of 471 and above when running an X is size. Even if the receiver is "faster" it won't make any difference as the radio won't be able to transmit that fast.

[neallewis]

Both X and Z can be used with pretty much all of them - possibly not the really early ones. The only advantage of 471 and above when running an X is size. Even if the receiver is "faster" it won't make any difference as the radio won't be able to transmit that fast.

No, the Z specific 472 and 482 (telemetry) don't work with the X. All the X compatible ones will work with the Z, which is probably what you mean :-)
Spot on with the point about the size, additionally the 48x series offering internal antenna and a smaller (but taller) footprint over the 47x

Oh new ZZ out now... sleepy Zzzz

http://sanwa-denshi.com/rc/car/propo/exzes_zz.html
http://sanwa-denshi.com/rc/car/propo/exzes_z.html
http://sanwa-denshi.com/rc/car/propo/exzes_x.html

Faster is subjective. It's latency (delay) you detect. In newer models (X and above) then have reduced latency to the point that its undetectable. I've not noticed a difference between Z and X models (when I've borrowed a Z), so they are all good. Switching to the legacy modes FHSS-2 (with RX-531, etc), again I've not done this so can not comment on how much of an improvement the newer (FHSS-3+) receivers are over the older ones.

With an X, you can use upto an RX-471/RX481 FHSS-3 spec receiver.

http://sanwa-denshi.com/rc/car/receiver/rx-481.html
http://sanwa-denshi.com/rc/car/receiver/rx-471.html

With a Z you can use upto an RX-472/RX482 FHSS-4 spec receiver.

No latency/response figures are quoted to be able to compare FHSS-3 and FHSS-4. I suspect they are the exactly same, with FHSS-4 spec adding telemetry support.

[MattW]

Neil, no, I meant that 472 works with the x, because I'm pretty confident that it does! I have a car sat here with a 472 in it, and its owner uses a x radio! I could dig my old X out and bind it up just to confirm, but I really can't be bothered. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

The 4x2 receivers allow setting of the Sanwa esc' from the radio. Although that feature is z specific, so no benefit (other than size vs 451) with an X radio.

The 471 is FHSS4, it says so on the link you helpfully put up ;)

[neallewis]

Neil, no, I meant that 472 works with the x, because I'm pretty confident that it does! I have a car sat here with a 472 in it, and its owner uses a x radio! I could dig my old X out and bind it up just to confirm, but I really can't be bothered. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

The 4x2 receivers allow setting of the Sanwa esc' from the radio. Although that feature is z specific, so no benefit (other than size vs 451) with an X radio.

The 471 is FHSS4, it says so on the link you helpfully put up ;)

The sanwa info says the 472 wont work with the X. The X is FHSS-3 not FHSS-4. If it binds and works great, but sanwa do not say it will. I've not bound one, so can't say either way.

The 4x2 receivers have telemetry, so data sent in two ways, not just from Tx to Rx. This send back useful data like BEC voltage, and with the sanwa speedo allows settings changes, which is a nice function. Technically in 1/10th OR, telemetry is not allowed, or wasn't last time I read the rules. Never seen it policed though, as lots use the Z.

The 471/481 are FHSS-3/4 with no telemetry. They binds as FHSS-3 on the X and FHSS-4 on the Z. I was talking about the (X vs Z) transmitter protocol, not the receivers, which clearly do both :-)

[john333]

A bit off original subject but obviously telemetry only works with the Exzes Z/472/Sanwa super vortex speedo. Most if not all UK supplied Z's came with the 471 receiver, not 472. There can only be a handful of super vortex speedos in the country, so very few people will be using telemetry with their Z's. (so we aren't cheating lol)

[Southwell]

The sanwa info says the 472 wont work with the X. The X is FHSS-3 not FHSS-4. If it binds and works great, but sanwa do not say it will. I've not bound one, so can't say either way.

The 4x2 receivers have telemetry, so data sent in two ways, not just from Tx to Rx. This send back useful data like BEC voltage, and with the sanwa speedo allows settings changes, which is a nice function. Technically in 1/10th OR, telemetry is not allowed, or wasn't last time I read the rules. Never seen it policed though, as lots use the Z.

The 471/481 are FHSS-3/4 with no telemetry. They binds as FHSS-3 on the X and FHSS-4 on the Z. I was talking about the (X vs Z) transmitter protocol, not the receivers, which clearly do both :-)

The specs say: Frequency: 2.4GHz FH3/FH4T for the 472, so i assume it does work with the X. Not sure why you would go for the 47 when the 48 is a much better in footprint and no aerial, unless it was substantially cheaper of course :)

[Prbanks]

472 works with an x.

I have one

[neallewis]

472 works with an x.

I have one

Good. it's undocumented by sanwa, and specs say it won't. This just reinforces my belief that fhss-4 is just an extension of fhss-3 to allow the extra telemetry data to be carried/encoded. So either the reciever is steeping down to fhss3 (472/482 receiver spec says it's fhss-4 only) or they are one and the same?

[cmgreen]

The sanwa info says the 472 wont work with the X. The X is FHSS-3 not FHSS-4. If it binds and works great, but sanwa do not say it will. I've not bound one, so can't say either way.

The 4x2 receivers have telemetry, so data sent in two ways, not just from Tx to Rx. This send back useful data like BEC voltage, and with the sanwa speedo allows settings changes, which is a nice function. Technically in 1/10th OR, telemetry is not allowed, or wasn't last time I read the rules. Never seen it policed though, as lots use the Z.


You need a sanwa esc for telemetry

[spiboom85]

Hi chaps OK see we've all been busy ha ha ,,,

Thanks for the reply though, IV bought the 471 off a chap on here thanks a lot very quick deleviver :thumbsup:

The 471 is smaller, but not put on track yet so not sure if there is a difference.

Thanks for all your help chaps :D