Cat K1

[johnboy]

http://gallery.mailchimp.com/9f509007d5cfb8eedfcd3398c/images/12781505289_KCsgv.1.1.1.jpg


Schumacher's New CAT K1 Competition 1/10th 4WD is coming soon...




http://gallery.mailchimp.com/9f509007d5cfb8eedfcd3398c/images/CAT_K1_PRESS1_560.jpg



The CAT K1 is an ultra modern, 1/10th scale, 4WD, Electric Powered buggy which continues the race winning tradition of Schumachers legendary CAT ‘Competition All Terrain’ vehicles.



More details to follow.



http://gallery.mailchimp.com/9f509007d5cfb8eedfcd3398c/images/CAT_K1_Logo_400.jpg




Looks like some ooplers were wrong.

[mark christopher]

Can not be right all the time. :cry:

[johnboy]

Mark not that old chestnut lol.

[Darren Boyle]

LOL, Much easier to just say "we will have to wait an see if they do" rather than "I have it from source they are not doing one" in that case........ would have saved some fuss, fun and games on the other thread at the weekend ;)

[mark christopher]

What and spoil the fun Darren :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[cryer-evo]

Need more info althow a little bit errrr
As just got my self the sx3

[johnboy]

Need more info althow a little bit errrr
As just got my self the sx3

I've just got an sx3 In last couple of month and will prob have this car later on. Just because the k1 is coming doesn't mean the sx3 is a bad car all of a sudden. If I was wanting a new 4wd at the min would get the sx3 as its dirt cheap

[johnboy]

Can not be right all the time. :cry:

Mark you edited your original statement lol.

[jo90]

Looks like Schumacher might have just got shafted here (by that i meen going from belt to shaft drive). :p

Will be interesting to see the layout when the shots come out.

[cryer-evo]

Any one now if its just a up dated sx3 our is it completely new ?

[john333]

It's completely new, there have been rumours for months that a new shaft drive car was on the drawing board, I'm willing to bet the k1 is shaft driven

[JohnM]

I love the timing of this what with XRay saying they're going to show us their new buggy at the wekend, here's Schuey popping another one out for peeps to think about instead:lol:

[MHeadling]

Seems 4wds are coming out from all manufacturers at the moment, Xray, Schumacher, Vega :wub

Great to see, just shows how popular 10th off road is :thumbsup:

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Thats my 4wd sorted for next year :thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

It's completely new, there have been rumours for months that a new shaft drive car was on the drawing board, I'm willing to bet the k1 is shaft driven

Don't think Schumacher have ever had a shaft car, will be interesting to see.

[cmgreen]

Schy vs ass

[bigred5765]

Schy vs ass

yip they have both gone finisher style cab forward:woot:

[TARTMAN]

looks great, but seems so low if its belt. but would they really go shaft drive? after all these years? hmmmmm.....

I wont be jumping on one, i love my sx3 and shes all blinged up, will do me for the next season........... but then again................;)

[mikeyscott]

I like the look of it.

I'm happy with what I have.

If I was interested I'd hope for shaft drive and hex based wheel system

Shame wheel fitment isn't standard like 1/8th from what I understand

[stegger]

yip they have both gone finisher style cab forward:woot:

Isn't that Carl Style !!!! ;):thumbsup::D

[DCM]

Wonder if it will keep the SX3 suspension so spares are transferable...

[Jamesk]

Intersting looking car, but not a pretty offering at all,(like most forward cab sheels) never known
a bad CAT, last cat i had was an XLS which was bloody good car.

Jk

[shaun m]

have they given a realese date yet ?? ive got my sx3's and love em :wub

[arransmith27]

2 belts I am led to believe

[James]

The cars really good :thumbsup: its done loads of testing at RHR - no spy videos this time though :p

[dibble34]

I'd be gutted if it wasn't belts as that is why I love the sx3. For me I shall wait until they have been out for a while and all the setup issues etc have been ironed out. Not good enough to work it all out myself :blush:

[mikeyscott]

2 belts I am led to believe

511 then ;)

Shame no vids this time. Assume it's Tom that's testing at RHR.

[James]

511 then ;)

Shame no vids this time. Assume it's Tom that's testing at RHR.

Not just Tom, several team drivers and not just at RHR of course.

[Zooberg]

Spy pics?

[bigred5765]

Isn't that Carl Style !!!! ;):thumbsup::D
lol where's the button:thumbsup:

[blade]

looking forward to seeing it in the flesh:)

[MattW]

Come on Darren, surely you could have been more smug than that ;):p

LOL, Much easier to just say "we will have to wait an see if they do" rather than "I have it from source they are not doing one" in that case........ would have saved some fuss, fun and games on the other thread at the weekend ;)

[Darren Boyle]

Come on Darren, surely you could have been more smug than that ;):p

LOL, I did type it different at first then thought better of it before it got took the wrong way and so I wrote that instead :D

[merlin_341]

Maybe just me but i think looks like it has smallbore shocks !

[Origineelreclamebord]

Looks like Schumacher might have just got shafted here (by that i meen going from belt to shaft drive). :p

Will be interesting to see the layout when the shots come out.

I kind of fancy belt drive systems - even more so since I got a belt driven tourer - So if it's shaft drive, I can only hope it will not be replacing the SX3.

[reg]

I recon it might have a noticable lack of purple :(

[Robbiejuk]

I recon it might have a noticable lack of purple :(

You mean less alloy and more plastic? :thumbsup: I am thinking cat 4000 with an alloy chassis, big bores and all the other good stuff. Hoping one might turn up at a local event near me this weekend so I can get a nosey...:)

[J'MM'N]

I'm sure as all past Schumacher cars it'll be another winner, just wish it had an XLS style body:)

[rsm1thy]

My Losi xx4 worlds still ran in front of these latest cars :D
I don't think the latest chassis designs give huge performance advantages over the earlier SX cars especially at club level racing.

What does everyone else think?

[Robbiejuk]

Come on schumacher, release some more details. My Cat who is called Coco is getting impatient waiting....

[stegger]

Anybody know the significance of the K in K-1 ?

[Moose]

Shaft drive just makes more sense with brushless motors. The brushless motors have much less rotation mass than brushed motors so shaft drive cars should be just better nowadays.

[johnboy]

Shaft drive just makes more sense with brushless motors. The brushless motors have much less rotation mass than brushed motors so shaft drive cars should be just better nowadays.

Sorry don't understand how shaft is better than belt or visa versa???

[cmgreen]

Anybody know the significance of the K in K-1 ?


kevlar?

Kat?

[Moose]

johnboy: The problem with the heavy brushed motors was that that the rotation mass influenced handling very much. That's why most touring cars switched do belt designs and this design helped to get more steering on power because the motor direction is opposition the the wheel rotation.
Thats why 2WD midmotor cars use two idealer gears and not one like the rear motor configuration. So they are much more like belt cars.
Now with brushless motors the influence is much less than it was with brushed but the shaft car still has the pros it always had: more traction, bit less steering on power but smoother steering when acceleration hard.

[mark christopher]

Anybody know the significance of the K in K-1 ?
slippery like ky lube :lol:

[mark christopher]

johnboy: The problem with the heavy brushed motors was that that the rotation mass influenced handling very much. That's why most touring cars switched do belt designs and this design helped to get more steering on power because the motor direction is opposition the the wheel rotation.
Thats why 2WD midmotor cars use two idealer gears and not one like the rear motor configuration. So they are much more like belt cars.
Now with brushless motors the influence is much less than it was with brushed but the shaft car still has the pros it always had: more traction, bit less steering on power but smoother steering when acceleration hard.
but all the top tc are still belt,driven ,if shaft was the way they would do it too. belts to me give a smoother car
i thought the 4 gear was to get the motor direction correct to turn the wheels forwards, as the 3 geared cars you had to reverse the motors?

[mw02veg]

k 1 all will be clear when you see this little beut :wub

[cmgreen]

k 1 all will be clear when you see this little beut :wub

When we looking at grant?

[johnboy]

Looking at the shape of it. It seems its got flux capacitor drive and when speeds of 85mph are achieved it will go back to the future.

[stegger]

kevlar?

Kat?

K = 1000 :D

[bigred5765]

K= belt shape may be
1 = may be one belt???
k1 = kockers first??
kleenex needed

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Looking at the shape of it. It seems its got flux capacitor drive and when speeds of 85mph are achieved it will go back to the future.

You wont be going back at 85 mph you need another 3 mph to do that.:woot:

[Moose]

@mark christopher: for one idealer midmotor you have to turn the motor. Thats ok for some motors and most speedos. There are some midmotor cars with only one idealer though but they are not as competitive as real 2 idealer midmotor cars.
TC is a bit different .. maybe I shouldn't have said shaft is better but I think it has much more advantages than belt in 4wd offroad at the moment. The best TC is the awesomatix in my eyes and its a shaft car. I dont own one but I know some drivers.. all are faster with that car. No iead if it is the drive shaft alone. Maybe the rotation mass still helps some belt cars I dont know. I guess the Tamiya EVO5 should be great today.

K1 .... maybe it looks like the kyosho kx one :D

[hansie]

Hello all,

Seeing how everyone is trying to figure out what the K stands for,
can anyone tell me what SX stands for?

Greetings Hans

[wrighty]

I rekon its a typo it should be ki for kenetic energy

[DeMogoobra]

Hello all,

Seeing how everyone is trying to figure out what the K stands for,
can anyone tell me what SX stands for?

Greetings Hans

If I am totally out there I think it means Series 10 or something like that.

[James]

Anybody know the significance of the K in K-1 ?

yeah

[cmgreen]

Anybody know the significance of the K in K-1 ?

Kers?

[Getpip]

In engineering mathematics the torsional stiffness of a SHAFT is expressed as 'K'.
:eh?::confused:

[cmgreen]

In engineering mathematics the torsional stiffness of a SHAFT is expressed as 'K'.
:eh?::confused:

you may have hit the nail on the head

[reg]

You mean less alloy and more plastic? :thumbsup: I am thinking cat 4000 with an alloy chassis, big bores and all the other good stuff. Hoping one might turn up at a local event near me this weekend so I can get a nosey...:)


I think it will still have ali,just more will be black rather than purple,

[Jampot]

O.K-1 will have to wait?
It could be a single belt similar to xxxs! But shaft I have £.50p on.:D

[Chris Ashton]

If I am totally out there I think it means Series 10 or something like that.

Yup, X was for the 10th CAT!

As for K, keep up the guessing...its fun!

[stegger]

Thinking about it, i think it's from Barcelona !

[mark christopher]

@mark christopher: for one idealer midmotor you have to turn the motor. Thats ok for some motors and most speedos. There are some midmotor cars with only one idealer though but they are not as competitive as real 2 idealer midmotor cars.
TC is a bit different .. maybe I shouldn't have said shaft is better but I think it has much more advantages than belt in 4wd offroad at the moment. The best TC is the awesomatix in my eyes and its a shaft car. I dont own one but I know some drivers.. all are faster with that car. No iead if it is the drive shaft alone. Maybe the rotation mass still helps some belt cars I dont know. I guess the Tamiya EVO5 should be great today.

K1 .... maybe it looks like the kyosho kx one :D
oddly the uk top driver of that car has just moved to xray belt car and going faster....

[mark christopher]

Krypton, its going to glow in the dark..

[cmgreen]

Anybody know the significance of the K in K-1 ?


kalology?

[James]

Come on you lot!

[h0m3sy]

Killer yeah, CAT Killer, that would go down well with the animal rights mob.:lol::lol::lol:

[russmini]

Wow, a lot of thought going on in this thread, and a lot of wind up me thinks... lol

2 belts, everything low, simple but effective. Kinda like AE, Tamiya, JC etc etc. 85% ish new car...

[h0m3sy]

CAT Kin-1

[cmgreen]

Come on you lot!

think we gonna need a hint james???

[h0m3sy]

Killer yeah, CAT Killer, that would go down well with the animal rights mob.:lol::lol::lol:

Don't think I'm a million miles away with this shout :)

[reg]

Kevlar

[cmgreen]

http://www.internetslang.com/K1-meaning-definition.asp

K1 Definition / K1 Means


The definition of K1 is "The best, awesome"K1 Definition / K1 Means

[spenner]

The clue is in the Pic!!!!

Cat K1..... :p

[mark christopher]

K1nell ...

[h0m3sy]

Killer it is then. Thank you and good night.:p:p:lol::lol:

[mark christopher]

Knew1

[moleman]

Im looking for a new 4wd to use at the upcoming DHI event, and for the 2013 outdoor season.
Please provide some more info soon!!
I don't see myself as an X-ray kind of guy..

[mark christopher]

Killer it is then. Thank you and good night.:p:p:lol::lol:

You been looking top left ;)

[SiTrace]

I've heard it on good authority the 'k' signifies nothing more than a clear evolution from the sx name and it is shaft driven, NOT!!

[mark christopher]

I've heard it on good authority the 'k' signifies nothing more than a clear evolution from the sx name and it is shaft driven.



then that would make it the E1 :p:woot:

[mw02veg]

Could have something there John:o

[ShiftF9er]

Yup, X was for the 10th CAT!

As for K, keep up the guessing...its fun!

K is the 11th letter in the alphabet.

11th CAT would follow the 10th CAT

[knighthawk]

I'm hoping that Schumacher will run the SX3 range alongside this new K-1 ( if indeed it is a shaft drive car ) and support and update both cars

I personally don't like shaft drive and will not buy one, belts run with less transmission drag.

So although it's a CAT, it will be only in name, as the CAT chassis has been a belt car in design since it's first version

[madmax]

Ya know maybe it could be a dual belt system like the old ec. i ran my old ec this summer and could out drive a durango.

maybe its a xx4 layout with the motor forward, thats mi impression by the silloet

[MattW]

I'm confident that it will have driveshafts in it ;):p

[mark christopher]

I'm confident that it will have driveshafts in it ;):p

going to have a punt then, 4 of em matt and two belts! maybe even these

in the front

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Product_Category/Full_List/U4173.html

http://www.racing-cars.com/images/u4173_w.jpg

[stegger]

going to have a punt then, 4 of em matt and two belts! maybe even these

in the front

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Product_Category/Full_List/U4173.html

http://www.racing-cars.com/images/u4173_w.jpg
Nah at that price they will be an option. ;-)

[PaulUpton]

I wonder if the aerial mount position would give it away ;)

[tyreman]

I wonder if the aerial mount position would give it away ;)

Or is that a body post;)

[ulrich]

Im looking for a new 4wd to use at the upcoming DHI event, and for the 2013 outdoor season.
Please provide some more info soon!!
I don't see myself as an X-ray kind of guy..

Hope they can release it in time to DHI

[OneKiwi]

Well MB say its due mid december

http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php/race-models/race-off-road-electric/schumacher/schumacher-kat-k1-pro-pre-order.html

Hope some more info is released soon so I can decide between this the xray or even the yokomo, I wouldn't mind trying something else

[AfroP]

I think its going to hydro driven

some sort of new "green" system where the motor powers a pump like system that pushes water through some sealed case that in turn pushes the gears

and the K stands for Krave because everybody is Kraving 1

[DeMogoobra]

I have been in the market for a 4wd a while now. Had my mind set on a Xray but they failed to show it this weekend as promised and that dont sit well with me.
Am in no hurry really so perhaps a K1 will make my day instead. Hope to see som pics soon. Hope it is a TRF511 ripoff alltrough ;)

[cmgreen]

Think Xray got scared! They seen the K1 teaser pic and thought..............bollocks all we have is a b44 copy

[AfroP]

Think Xray got scared! They seen the K1 teaser pic and thought..............bollocks all we have is a b44 copy

and no doubt an over priced one at that

[s22jgs]

It's not shaft drive lol

[cmgreen]

It's not shaft drive lol

Wot the k1?

[mark christopher]

Wot the k1?

Twin belts is where I'm heading

[cmgreen]

Twin belts is where I'm heading
Yeah me 2. Xray is shaft

[s22jgs]

Twin belts is where I'm heading

Seems that way

[tomtom]

Really looking forward to this, the SX3 was amazing but too complicated for me.

Belts I hope and better shocks.

Nice to have new 4wd options, I was going to run only 2wd but these change my mind :blush:

[ulrich]

Think Xray got scared! They seen the K1 teaser pic and thought..............bollocks all we have is a b44 copy

Jimmy oOple: we need a LIKE button here :-)

[mark christopher]

Really looking forward to this, the SX3 was amazing but too complicated for me.

Belts I hope and better shocks.

Nice to have new 4wd options, I was going to run only 2wd but these change my mind :blush:
cant fault the schumacher shocks with the new seals in em, wonder if it will use these

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Product_Category/Full_List/U4130.html

http://www.racing-cars.com/sp/category/Manufacturer/subcategory/Core_RC/templateid/12/searchbox7/Big_Bore_Springs.html

[hansie]

Alright Schumacher,

You've had your fun, everybody is excited and willing to
spend some hard earned money on your new toy....
let the cat out of the bag please........
If you hurry you can beat Xray to it...... (edit, to late!)

Greetings,

Hans

[wrighty]

Alright Schumacher,

You've had your fun, everybody is excited and willing to
spend some hard earned money on your new toy....
let the cat out of the bag please........
If you hurry you can beat Xray to it......

Greetings,

Hans

:thumbsup:

[xxx]

In my opinion K1 is the short cut for the German word "Kardan". Kardan = driveshaft and "1" because it is their first car using a driveshaft transmission...

[mark christopher]

In my opinion K1 is the short cut for the German word "Kardan". Kardan = driveshaft and "1" because it is their first car using a driveshaft transmission...


so an English company would use a german name/referance?

[Fredrik Emilsson]

And "Schumacher" [Schuhmacher] is...?;)

[Origineelreclamebord]

I think they chose for K1 because if you shout it out real loud, it sounds like something fearsome that's going to kill you (being the competitor) :)

KAAAEEEWAN!






Perhaps K1 is just because you Kan?

[mark christopher]

And "Schumacher" [Schuhmacher] is...?;)

an old retired f1 driver....:p

[hansie]

Hello all,

Could the K just be chosen because it is letter number 11 in the alfabet?
is this the 11th cat?

Greetings

Hans

[bender]

Judging by the pic it comes with small-bore shocks but big-bore springs.

The knurled spring adjuster is a much greater outer diameter than the shock cap, and this certainly isn't the case on my Cougar. Also you can see how the shock doesn't 'fill' the inside of the spring the way it normally would.

Not sure if anyone else has picked up on that yet, but it is interesting. Doing some reading a number of X-Factory guys believe that the big-bore spring is far more important than the shock itself.

I certainly hope it isnt shaft drive either, with the release of the X-Ray 4wd we now have just too many 4wd's using the same layout. I wouldn't want off-road to head the way touring cars have become where everything is a clone :cry:

[MattW]

All this "K1" name speculation is fun, do carry on!!

[lochness42]

Well in teaser pic you got "The Cat with Killer Instinct".
K can stand for Killer and 1 looks like letter I :lol:

[moleman]

Hoping for a 1-belt and gearbox with 1-idler solution similar to X-7.
With motor and battery down centerline.

When I searched for K1 at their website I saw that many of their racing kits have item no. K1xx.
Maybe they're naming the K1-kit its actual item no?

Looking forward to its release..!

/Morgan

[Mossy]

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Car_Showroom/CAT_K1.html

:-)

[johnboy]

Looks the bomb well done schumacher.
Funny looking shaft drive car ha

[Tomk26B4]

No purple! :o

[RLGfx]

k = black, hence the lack of purpleage :D

[johnboy]

In the option list gear diff??

[Chris Ashton]

k = black, hence the lack of purpleage :D

Yes!!!!!!! At last!!! :)

Top of the class!

[RLGfx]

double post- oops!

[cmgreen]

Nice!!!

Ordered! :thumbsup:

[RLGfx]

sweet! I am now officially ace... :D

it was either this for my guess, or that the chassis was made of potassium...

[RobW]

That looks seriously cool. New Xray looked a little plain to me all in black but this seems to carry it off.

Must keep repeating to myself - "I do not need a new 4WD, I do not need a new 4WD....."

Rob

[matdodd]

Get it ordered now Rob ;)

[matdodd]

Get one ordered mate;)

[matdodd]

oops

[KennyClark]

I like the look of that.

[RLGfx]

3 posts telling me to order one? you are desperate for a setup test-bitch! haha ;)

[Richard Lowe]

SX3.1? :p

[mark christopher]

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New Optimised 2 belt transmission with efficient low tension Bando belts running on large CNC machined pulleys.
New 2.0mm aluminium chassis with aerospace grade carbon fibre top deck.
New Moulded side pods for superb dirt protection.
New Mid motor layout with adjustable motor position.
New Chassis mounted, angled steering bell cranks for low C of G.
New Steering rack design for improved dynamic ackerman throughout the steering range.
New Long top deck for superior flex characteristics.
New Black anodised components for the aggressive stealth look.
New Medium flex suspension arms as standard.
New Stronger pivot blocks and pivot block mounting system.
New ‘High agilty’ small bore shocks with big bore springs, titanium nitride shafts, threaded collars and twin o-ring sealing.
New Machined tapered pistons with different colours for easy identification.
New Optimum weight distribution with adjustable saddle pack layout.
New Larger layshaft bearings.
New Belt adjustment for consistent driveshaft geometry at all belt tensions.
New Cab forward body shell for improved jump handling, bump stability and high speed cornering.
New Large high down force rear wing enhances cab forward aero package.
Super free, limited slip ball diffs with extreme high strength silicone nitride balls.
Strong steel universal driveshafts.
Rubber sealed, super precision ball bearings throughout.
Smooth twin pad vented slipper with easy access adjustment.
Unique motor clamp mount to fine tune weight distribution.
Optional gear diff available.
Horizontally split transmission housings for easy diff access and maintenance.
Optimised chassis shape to improve roll stability.
Rigid servo mount directly to the chassis for precise steering.
Class leading suspension geometry with durable components and a huge range of optional alloy parts, offering adjustments to setup your CAT K1 to all track conditions.
Adjustable rear roll centres, inboard toe-in/toe-out, anti-squat and track width (using optional speed secret parts).
Adjustable front roll centres, rake angle and track width (using optional speed secret parts).
Strong, rigid 4mm aero space carbon fibre shock brackets.

[mark christopher]

thats the cats bollocks..

[Howler]

Small bore shocks running big bore springs? Seems a bit daft.

[minimini]

similar to Tamiya DB01 drive-train

[hansie]

Hello all,

Lovely :wub:wub:wub

Looks like the option to play with diff height has been removed.
Slipper adjustment on the opposite side of the spur.
The Fab system won't work on this car I think.
Suspension arms, hubs etc same as the SX3
Bando's included from the get go.
Clean steering assembly etc etc
All in all a simple robust clean design wich will be easier to
wire than the SX3, count me in!
Can a team driver show one with the electronics in it?

Hans

[mark christopher]

not when you see most of the top level guys are doing it

[cryer-evo]

My good that is sexy

[OldTimer]

First thing i thought of when i saw the rear sideon photo was it looks like one of my old Yok YZ10's :)

Really like the new all black look, and the lcg shocks are much better :drool:

[andys]

SX3.1? :p

Nail hit on head there Rich.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

an old retired f1 driver....:p

True...true...;)

[russmini]

Post 71

But obviously no one else thought it would be that simple....

Oh well, i tried to tell you.... :lol:


:p

[h0m3sy]

What are the benefits of the small bore shock but with big bore springs?

[bigred5765]

What are the benefits of the small bore shock but with big bore springs?

they use less oil :p

[h0m3sy]

Very good Carl :lol::lol::lol:

[tomtom]

I found the car awesome and considering it was the Cat that make me getting back to RC (always wanted one in the 90's and bought an SX that put me back on it for good), this one seems to be what I was expecting back then up to now.

The SX3 was very good but too complicated for me. This one seems simple yet more effective (2 belts, no eccentrics, etc).

Speaking of SB shocks, I ran some on my K cars for quite a while now because the car is more responsive and also (very important) jumps better on small jumps/whoops. Off course the BB do work great on big jumps and are more forgiving but on all but the very big jumps I felt the SB car kind of flow over the jumps. Don't know if that make sense but I kept coming back to them.

[cryer-evo]

Would it be possible to turn a sx 3 into a k1? With new chassis and top decks and relevant parts like belts ?

[cmgreen]

Would it be possible to turn a sx 3 into a k1? With new chassis and top decks and relevant parts like belts ?

Just looked, dont think it would be cheap!.....

[cryer-evo]

Ok thanks wish I hadn't just got my self a sx3

[DanB4]

I want one just to take a photo of it next to my XLS! :p

[cmgreen]

Ok thanks wish I hadn't just got my self a sx3


The sx3 is a brilliant car fella, i wouldnt be dissapointed with ur new sx3!

[markw]

Wat size wheel hex does the k1 come with? Wud losi rear wheels or dex410 wheels fit?

[cryer-evo]

Ya I won't be disappointed with my sx3 .I've not had a chance to run it yet but just building it was fun looks so nice . I am going to have to get the k1 as well. my last Schumacher was a fairblade Evo and that was fun to drive

[bally]

Wat size wheel hex does the k1 come with? Wud losi rear wheels or dex410 wheels fit?

The K1 is Pin Drive just like the SX3!

[bender]

My last Cat was the SX or SX2, and it came with both pin and hex fittings for the front wheels. Can anyone confirm if the new K1 will be the same?

[ulrich]

My last Cat was the SX or SX2, and it came with both pin and hex fittings for the front wheels. Can anyone confirm if the new K1 will be the same?

On K1 you can use the front hex too.. but I am not sure it is included in the kit.. yet ;-)

[DCM]

Hex, yes you can use it, no, it is an option.

[Cockerill]

Losi sized front hexes are included in the kit, the rear is still pin drive.

[burschi]

@Cockerill,
Could you please tell us the benefit of the small bore shocks? or the different between small and big bore shocks, would be great,
Thanks a lot, George

[hansie]

Hello all and especially team riders,

Is it possible to post a picture of a K1 with the electronics
installed?

Greetings,

Hans

[Soo]

Just ordered black M3 nuts and black m4 serrated nuts to make it perfectly black. :D

[Cockerill]

I've attached some pictures of my car wired up and ready to go this weekend at Silverstone :D

Small Bore Shocks: We've found they make the car much more agile and responsive. When combined with the Big Bore Springs they seem to improve the car over bumps so you get the best of both worlds. Lightweight/responsive shocks that are better over the bumps/landings :thumbsup:

[shaun m]

I've attached some pictures of my car wired up and ready to go this weekend at Silverstone :D

Small Bore Shocks: We've found they make the car much more agile and responsive. When combined with the Big Bore Springs they seem to improve the car over bumps so you get the best of both worlds. Lightweight/responsive shocks that are better over the bumps/landings :thumbsup:
now ive seen the car , under the shell , i want to get one ( i love my sx3 ) how differently does the car drive compared to the sx3's and does most of the sx3 "bling bits " fit the k1 ?

cheers:thumbsup:

[GRIFF55]

You disappoint me Tom! Why purple turnbuckles?? Ditch those for gold or silver and that will be one sweet looking ride!:thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

now ive seen the car , under the shell , i want to get one ( i love my sx3 ) how differently does the car drive compared to the sx3's and does most of the sx3 "bling bits " fit the k1 ?

cheers:thumbsup:


from what i can tell the supsension parts do, front inner alloy mounts do the gear box tops dont. and rear inboard pin mounts are different

[bender]

Losi sized front hexes are included in the kit, the rear is still pin drive.

Perfect! Thanks Tom

[JoeGlover]

Purple is one of the reasons I don't shumacher Tom, nice to see it not on this car. I do have to admit this is the first schumacher I have ever liked. It might be time to give it a go.

[Cockerill]

Ive seen a few people ask about parts compatability with the SX3, I'll try give a run down:

The 4 quarters including the suspension blocks are the same, apart from:

Rear drive shafts (New ones are slightly Longer)
Rear arms (We now use a single outer pin, old ones will still fit with double pin)
Rear of the rear suspension blocks (Now M4 to eliminate bending)

The diffs are also the same apart from the diff pulley.

Big Bore shocks will bolt straight on for those who wish to use them.

[reg]

What are going to be the must have top ups,i see the turnbuckles,what about the FAB thing and other bits,
thanks,
Mark

[mark christopher]

Ive seen a few people ask about parts compatability with the SX3, I'll try give a run down:

The 4 quarters including the suspension blocks are the same, apart from:

Rear drive shafts (New ones are slightly Longer)
Rear arms (We now use a single outer pin, old ones will still fit with double pin)
Rear of the rear suspension blocks (Now M4 to eliminate bending)

The diffs are also the same apart from the diff pulley.

Big Bore shocks will bolt straight on for those who wish to use them.

hi tom any reason the rear inboard allot pin mounts are different part number to the sx3?


U4160Rear Alloy Block Conversion Set - CAT K1
or is that just a full set?

[mark christopher]

What are going to be the must have top ups,i see the turnbuckles,what about the FAB thing and other bits,
thanks,
Mark
dont see how the fab would fit,

[Cockerill]

hi tom any reason the rear inboard allot pin mounts are different part number to the sx3?


U4160Rear Alloy Block Conversion Set - CAT K1
or is that just a full set?

Yes, the Rear Rear block is now mounted with an M4 screw. I believe the new part number is for the whole set of parts to convert the rear end from plastic to alloy suspension mounts.

[Spu83]

hi tom any reason the rear inboard allot pin mounts are different part number to the sx3?


U4160Rear Alloy Block Conversion Set - CAT K1
or is that just a full set?

I believe the new inboard use 4mm screws instead 3mm to address bending screw problem.

[Spu83]

From the instruction manual looks like only 1 side (motor side) battery can mount in different position not both side. Will it alter the balance of the car (left and right)?

[CAT3K]

dont see how the fab would fit,

Maybe they'll come out with something similar to the old TDS on the CAT 3000. It was 2 belt mid motor and had the ABS (adjustable braking) for the front.

[PaulUpton]

Because Matt Owen is useless ive had to put his pictures up, here is his Cat K1

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76401_10151219151628449_488602013_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401605_10151219151503449_471267957_n.jpg

[hansie]

Hello all,

Is it me or do you have to replace the entire upper deck
if in a crash the front turnbuckle attachment point snaps?
On the SX3 that was just a small piece to replace.
It never happened to me but I could easily see this happen.
Still loving the looks of the thing.

Edit : Nevermind, the exploded view helped me to see I was
completely wrong

Hans

[Mike Parker]

Because Matt Owen is useless ive had to put his pictures up, here is his Cat K1

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76401_10151219151628449_488602013_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401605_10151219151503449_471267957_n.jpg

Cheers for sharing pups, good to see pics with the installs are coming thru :)

[chris68nufc]

Because Matt Owen is useless ive had to put his pictures up, here is his Cat K1

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76401_10151219151628449_488602013_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401605_10151219151503449_471267957_n.jpg
When you get a minute Matt, drop me a PM of your shell sprayer!

Looking for some cutting edge design also!

[MHeadling]

Worlds biggest aerial tube too! :p

[chris68nufc]

It nearly poked my eye out when I zoomed in on my phone?!!!!

[paulc]

Looks like there's plenty of room for electrics. Doe's the K1 not come with gold turnbuckles ? Liking that wing though :)

[chuckie stella]

When you get a minute Matt, drop me a PM of your shell sprayer!

Looking for some cutting edge design also!

Cheers bigman :D

Worlds biggest aerial tube too! :p

Easy tiger, 27meg rules!!! :p

Looks like there's plenty of room for electrics. Doe's the K1 not come with gold turnbuckles ? Liking that wing though :)

It does come with gold as standard

[hansie]

Hello all,

Has someone taped the car in action yet?
Again looking at the team drivers..... :lol:

Greetings,

Hans

[lcpvcce]

CF pattern wing is option ??? ............:confused:

[Cruise]

So finished building mine including some proper colours.

And I hope there will be a "standard " Body for it.

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/CruiseM/IMG_2874-2MIR.jpg

Cruise

[Spu83]

So finished building mine including some proper colours.

And I hope there will be a "standard " Body for it.

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u505/CruiseM/IMG_2874-2MIR.jpg

Cruise

:thumbsup:Nice Job. How is the wiring ? Is the car feel balance ?

[mro_racing aka Doorbell]

looks like a awsome car :thumbsup:but does look just like a cat 3000:eh?:

[Cruise]

Wiring is easy but I hate it anyway.
It seems to be a bit left side heavy.But I hadn´t it on scales yet.

Cruise

[bender]

Wiring is easy but I hate it anyway.
It seems to be a bit left side heavy.But I hadn´t it on scales yet.

Cruise

Not surprising considering they put the servo on the wrong side of the car :lol:

Wonder if it's possible to fit it on the other side without interfering with the belt?

[tinnylad]

The standard sx3 shell isn't a bad fit.

Raced the k1 yesterday, really good car.

[shaun m]

The standard sx3 shell isn't a bad fit.

Raced the k1 yesterday, really good car.
how does it compare to a sx3 ? , im getting mine in 2 weeks !!:woot:

[tinnylad]

It goes really well. With a good driver I think it will be awesome!! :thumbsup:

[dMITIj]

Hello all.

I am considering buying the new CAT K1 and since I'm not so much into Schumacher (yet), I need some good advice which I hope you can help me with.

what would you suggest as extra parts, ie parts which is always nice to have extra lying around? and what are the must-have of hop-ups when they come up for sale?

you are welcome to drop links so I'm sure to get the right parts.

Is there anything else I should be aware of?

and will thees fit RPM Heavy Duty Rod Ends 4-40:
http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php/rpm-heavy-duty-rod-ends-12-4-40.html

Thanks.

[xtream]

CAT K1 ordered now .. can´t wait to hold it in my hands :-)

[Cosworth]

Held one at the Coventry Mam round on Sunday. I want one now :-( Best get some of my old gear up for sale!

[markw]

Is there any videos of the k1 going round a track?

[TARTMAN]

Picked mine up today from Apex Models.

Nearly built, just the shocks and few little bits to go.

Super car and fantastic quality. Love it already.

Pleased Schumacher are finally including pots of moly/diff greece instead of the silly little bags. 10/10 for that!

[thorns_nz]

Bit of an odd question, could anyone tell me if an 80mm servo lead would be long enough to run in the K1?

[matdodd]

It should be fine dependent on how/where you install the rx

[DeMogoobra]

Wish list before the outdoor season. An SVR2 with the same black as K1 and shocks. Carbon fibre chassis and Sv2 driveshafts. Please Schumacher!!! For us that race on slippery dirt all summer long ;)

[triplesix]

This car simply looks amazing. But one thing comes to my mind: with the motor and servo mounted on the left, how well is the car balanced left to right? I have the impression it might be quite a bit heavier on the left. What do you think?

[stegger]

This car simply looks amazing. But one thing comes to my mind: with the motor and servo mounted on the left, how well is the car balanced left to right? I have the impression it might be quite a bit heavier on the left. What do you think?

Look here mate ;-) post #391
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric-off-road/681828-schumacher-cat-k1-27.html

[dirk702]

Fits the SX3 undertray on the K1 ? :)

[triplesix]

Look here mate ;-) post #391
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric-off-road/681828-schumacher-cat-k1-27.html

Thanks mate! Great info!

[ulrich]

Fits the SX3 undertray on the K1 ? :)

why??

and no.. chassis on K1 is longer

I have tried to see the Proline Bull Dog could.. and no it is to short

[Nitrius]

What size tools is needed? 2.0mm and 2.5mm hex wrenches?

[ulrich]

What size tools is needed? 2.0mm and 2.5mm hex wrenches?

1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 hex wrenches

[stegger]

Got to say this car builds up so nice and easy. X And no more middle belt idle gears to mess with. It should spool up quicker without the extra drag of the 3rd belt and gears.

[lochness42]

My K1 with same paint scheme as my SVR got
http://shells.lochness42.eu/images/cat_k1.jpg
http://shells.lochness42.eu/images/cat_k2.jpg

[lcpvcce]

My K1 with same paint scheme as my SVR got
http://shells.lochness42.eu/images/cat_k1.jpg
http://shells.lochness42.eu/images/cat_k2.jpg

Very nice and Alloy Yoke ................. :wub

[TARTMAN]

It fits well. not as much room as i thought, but still more than the SX3.....

Would have prefered the servo the other side, meaning very short motor wires and even neater. But I am sure schuey have there reasons....;)

[DeMogoobra]

Tartman, if you are looking for neat you can build yourself one of these ;)

RX, PT and capacitor inside that thing. Silly invention but hey, thats me :)

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/2/6/4/6/img_1004.jpg

[simon]

Hi,
Building the front and rear shocks,its says in the manual that they are both the same length from ball end to bottom of shock body..27.25mm..but to get this on the front shocks the ball end is not screwed in very much ,is this right?

[Cockerill]

The front length should read 22.25mm :)

[simon]

Ah..great thank you..in the manual its 27.25......any other tips!!??

Thanks for your help...

[ulrich]

Seems not easy to check the pinion/spur :-(

Tartman, if you are looking for neat you can build yourself one of these ;)

RX, PT and capacitor inside that thing. Silly invention but hey, thats me :)

http://rsb.se/gallery/files/2/6/4/6/img_1004.jpg

[DeMogoobra]

A little bit trickier but not so much. Schumachers famous motor clamp system makes it easy ;).
Never looking when I do that anyway. Feel and listen is how I check.

[ulrich]

Indoor testing the CAT K1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX1H9b_wiTw&feature=share

sorry for the quality of the video.. video is taken with a mobile

[bigred5765]

Ah..great thank you..in the manual its 27.25......any other tips!!??

Thanks for your help...
:woot:don't believe everything you read in the manual :thumbsup:

sorry couldn't resist

[tytoos]

any rumors when gear diffs (U4174) will become available for K1? I bet it would also fit SX3, am i right?
And finally: is it worth to switch to gear diffs? Less maintenance?

[DeMogoobra]

Gd are not a rumor. Will come out January.
And they do not fit sx3:(
And how they perform vs ball I can't tell you. My only wish is that they don't leak ;)

[dMITIj]

why will you guys put a Gear Diff in the K1? why not buy XB4 ect.?

[tytoos]

And they do not fit sx3:(

how do u know that? Because of diff pulley size? Coz Diff outputs (U3853 & U3852) are common with SX3...

[knighthawk]

how do u know that? Because of diff pulley size? Coz Diff outputs (U3853 & U3852) are common with SX3...
I don't know but would say that the pulley gearing will not be the same as the SX3 pulleys

[Gayo]

K1 diffs are offset, unlike SX3 ones.

[mw02veg]

how do u know that? Because of diff pulley size? Coz Diff outputs (U3853 & U3852) are common with SX3...

Sorry but they don't fit the Sx3

[mark christopher]

prob the same reason i was told the svr gear diff will not fit the sv2

[ulrich]

how do u know that? Because of diff pulley size? Coz Diff outputs (U3853 & U3852) are common with SX3...

the K1 pulley have off set to one side, the SX3 have the pulley in the middle. On K1 is shims needed to reduce sideways slop and in the K1 have they cut more material away in gearhousing to make more place to the geardiff.

[Razer]

Just tricked myself into ordering my first Schumacher car ever....
Have anyone broken anything yet?

[Razer]

Just tricked myself into ordering my first Schumacher car ever....
Have anyone broken anything yet?

[Spu83]

I was full throttle down the straight. Didn't realize the Durango try to regain traction and doing fish tail in the middle of the straight. I ram into his back and bust my bumper.:o

[badger5]

If you only broke a bumper then I think you did well, shows how strong the car is IMO.

[corsair]

I was full throttle down the straight. Didn't realize the Durango try to regain traction and doing fish tail in the middle of the straight. I ram into his back and bust my bumper.:o

What happened to the Durango?

[isobarik]

When i look at the K1 it reminds me when i recived an kyosho tugboat for christmas.

mvh Isobarik

[Nitrius]

Broke the left upper shock tower mount yesterday. Landed on the front, didn't have much speed, so must say i got a bit surprised. Heard it might be a weak point on the car, but was hoping they would last a bit longer, as i didn't get to drive much before it happened. But they are available in alu, so that's a sure buy for me now.

The front diff cover also got broken in half, just where the plastic goes under the shock tower mount, where the hole in the body is supposed to be placed.

Picture of the damage here:

[Spu83]

What happened to the Durango?
It got rocket booster and lift off :D

[Spu83]

Broke the left upper shock tower mount yesterday. Landed on the front, didn't have much speed, so must say i got a bit surprised. Heard it might be a weak point on the car, but was hoping they would last a bit longer, as i didn't get to drive much before it happened. But they are available in alu, so that's a sure buy for me now.

The front diff cover also got broken in half, just where the plastic goes under the shock tower mount, where the hole in the body is supposed to be placed.

Picture of the damage here:
Might want to double check those shock shafts. Make sure they didn't bend.

[ROUMS]

Broke the left upper shock tower mount yesterday. Landed on the front, didn't have much speed, so must say i got a bit surprised. Heard it might be a weak point on the car, but was hoping they would last a bit longer, as i didn't get to drive much before it happened. But they are available in alu, so that's a sure buy for me now.

The front diff cover also got broken in half, just where the plastic goes under the shock tower mount, where the hole in the body is supposed to be placed.

Picture of the damage here:

This is the same problem with Cougar SVR

[dMITIj]

Broke the left upper shock tower mount yesterday. Landed on the front, didn't have much speed, so must say i got a bit surprised. Heard it might be a weak point on the car, but was hoping they would last a bit longer, as i didn't get to drive much before it happened. But they are available in alu, so that's a sure buy for me now.

The front diff cover also got broken in half, just where the plastic goes under the shock tower mount, where the hole in the body is supposed to be placed.

Picture of the damage here:

alloy? do you have an part number for those?

Best Regards.

[Soo]

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/New_Cars_and_Parts/CAT_K1/U4164.html

[mark christopher]

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/New_Cars_and_Parts/CAT_K1/U4164.html

rear available too

[hansie]

Hello all,

My first laps with the K1, feels good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dJY-Xz-0sU

Greetings

Hans

[micholix]

Hello all,

My first laps with the K1, feels good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dJY-Xz-0sU

Greetings

Hans

And looks good!:cry:
Well driven....:drool:

I would like the K1 too, but i just bought a dex410v3 a view weeks ago, witch didn't see the track, till now!:blush:

[cryer-evo]

Is there any good set ups yet for the k1 on carpet ?

[Robocop]

How many parts fit the k1 from the sx3. Fancy one but like to know what fits as if parts do i will strip my sx 3 for the spares,, think i have most option parts on it

Thanks