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andys
24-03-2013, 10:29 AM
Having seen Neal Lewis's Quadcopter fly at Batley - I bought one - Thanks for all the info Neal :)

I bought one of these - WLtoys V949 Beetle RC Quadcopter Mini UFO RTF - from Banggood as per Neal's recommendations.

Basically - indoors it's bloody amazing.

So - question is, now i'm getting the hang of flying it, I want a bigger, better one for outdoors, but there is just so much choice and confusion over these things.

Anyone know the 'Durango RTR' of the outdoor Quadrocopter offerings ?
Ideally i'd like to add a camera to one too.

Check out this video of a VERY high end setup :) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELr3U4l5HkQ

Cheers.
Andy

bodgit
24-03-2013, 10:49 AM
That was a brilliant clip. Is it right they cost $4800 @3300 in our money if its this one http://extremeaerials.com/buy-a-quadrocopter/ Is he flying that with the glasses because he never looks at it or down to any monitor. I thought for a moment as he went down that track and through the trees he was going to lose his way back as all treetops look the same but that climb he did to see where his shack was, was some hieght.

bandit
24-03-2013, 11:10 AM
You can get a similar setup for under a grand or go for more budget equipment and it could be even less.
I got the bug last summer and now have a few mini quads and a big one that can do what you seen in the video. Infact i have had it out to close to a mile and back only being restricted by battery life.
You should look on rc groups they have some great projects and posts on there. Mind you it can be very confusing and mind boggling (what kit , what frequency , radio etc.)but if you read up enough you will get a good idea of whats what.

neallewis
24-03-2013, 12:08 PM
Andy, I've been doing me research and what you are looking for is available from DJI Innovations. Their Naza flight controllers are the best.
Naza-M: http://www.dji-innovations.com/products/naza-multi-rotor/overview/

Quad kits: http://www.dji-innovations.com/products/flame-wheel-multi-rotor/overview/

I explored building one from hobbyking.com parts, with a cheaper KK board flight controller, but decided the dji kit is the way to go.

Got my radio gear, and three batteries, ordering the stuff above next week.


A gopro or similar camera will bolt on, either directly or in a gymbal, fpv setup will bolt on too, you just need to upgrade the props for better lift performance when carrying more payload.

bandit
24-03-2013, 12:20 PM
Andy, I've been doing me research and what you are looking for is available from DJI Innovations. Their Naza flight controllers are the best.
Naza-M: http://www.dji-innovations.com/products/naza-multi-rotor/overview/

Quad kits: http://www.dji-innovations.com/products/flame-wheel-multi-rotor/overview/

I explored building one from hobbyking.com parts, with a cheaper KK board flight controller, but decided the dji kit is the way to go.

Got my radio gear, and three batteries, ordering the stuff above next week.


A gopro or similar camera will bolt on, either directly or in a gymbal, fpv setup will bolt on too, you just need to upgrade the props for better lift performance when carrying more payload.

i was going through my stuff to take some piccies , but as youve mentioned i also found dji stuff the way to go.
its reasonable price and solid quality is why i went for there gear.
i will try and dig out some of my fpv videos also done on the gopro.

neallewis
24-03-2013, 01:23 PM
The kit meets my requirements, but you asked for the rtr...


DJI do the ready to fly Phantom..
http://www.dji-innovations.com/products/phantom/overview/

which I believe is very good as well.

andys
24-03-2013, 02:14 PM
Hi Neal

I'll check it out - URL sounds familiar as I had a look around :)
Happy to build it myself if I know what to buy :)
Looks like you are putting together the kind of thing I'm interested in;)

Cheers
Andy

Col
24-03-2013, 02:21 PM
Neal, glad you got the 949 fixed! Did banggood sort it or did you buy another?

neallewis
24-03-2013, 02:31 PM
Neal, glad you got the 949 fixed! Did banggood sort it or did you buy another?

I left it on the window ledge for two weeks after you saw it at York, came back to it and it's worked perfectly since!?!?

neallewis
24-03-2013, 02:52 PM
Hi Neal

I'll check it out - URL sounds familiar as I had a look around :)
Happy to build it myself if I know what to buy :)
Looks like you are putting together the kind of thing I'm interested in;)

Cheers
Andy

Yes Andy.

Available here: http://www.buildyourowndrone.co.uk/DJI-Wookong-WKM-NAZA-s/63.htm

and here: http://quadcopter.heliguy.com/Extras/DJI-Naza/Introduction/

I'm going for the F450 quad kit plus Naza-M. Unsure if i'll get the GPS unit now or later?

I've gone for the Turnigy 9X radio gear, and i'll be using the FrSky (JR) plug in module, rather than the Turnigy/Spektrum ones. The FrSky is meant to be the best for range and no interference. The FrSky DHT hack modules also work.
Basic 4 channel gear will get you flying, but 8/9 channel is recommended for proper control. General consensus seems that Spektrum radio gear will give glitches and random interference, especially when using FPV kit.

I ordered 3x Turnigy 3S 3000mAh 40c packs from hobbyking.com UK warehouse, which were delivered next day, rather than in 10 days from the HK store. Cheap enough, but decent quality and seem popular with the flight people.


I got watching the youtube videos from this kid in america...
http://www.youtube.com/feed/UCq2rNse2XX4Rjzmldv9GqrQ/u

SQkzrGMtY14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQkzrGMtY14

and has some pretty good narrated FPV vids like this:
03lBqTlCehI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03lBqTlCehI


DJI Naza kit build info and video: http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=365855

another review: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1562544

And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xvmOEmbyco
-xvmOEmbyco

enjoy ;-)

Col
24-03-2013, 03:17 PM
I left it on the window ledge for two weeks after you saw it at York, came back to it and it's worked perfectly since!?!?

Interesting... Wonder if that will work for mine - it's currently sat in a pond. With the red bind led still flashing!

GrahamH7060
24-03-2013, 04:41 PM
I went to a customers house this morning to measure up for some electrically operated roof blinds in his conservatory , we got chatting about all types of gadgets and eventually got onto all things RC !

Then he unveiled his DJI phantom !!! Complete with the Hero Pro HD camera mounted underneath !

Showed me it flying in the garden in the snow ! It has this GPS function that automatically holds it in hover when you release the sticks !!

Then he pressed a button , let go of the controls and the damn thing landed itself about 1 metre from where it took off !!
Absolutely awesome !!

If I had the money I would get one of those , only downside is the price !

500 then the cost of a go pro camera too which I think are about 400 too !

If you get one I'll be very jealous indeed !

James
24-03-2013, 10:24 PM
DJI Phantom is the best allround RTR type quad.

We're all kitted out to film the nationals (if we're allowed) and other big meetings with a quad this year for the oOple reports. Its an expensive job to get decent kit with gimball etc though!

You've prob seen this, a quick, early vid from when I was getting used to the whole thing last year:

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simon
24-03-2013, 11:16 PM
You can also do a bit of stunt flying with em!!!!:)
http://vimeo.com/56548217

neallewis
24-03-2013, 11:48 PM
You can also do a bit of stunt flying with em!!!!:)
http://vimeo.com/56548217

Yes I was going to link to Warthox's vimeo (http://vimeo.com/warthox) account. crazy stuff!

andys
25-03-2013, 09:50 AM
Hi James.

What did you end up buying re camera etc - is it a GoPro that you used - also what did you use to stabilise it ?

I'm quite into Video / Filming etc and use a DSLR and After Effects and loads of other stuff for my real work - and quite fancy the idea of combining my 2 fav things (Film/Video & RC !)

Neal - I think i'll hold fire and hopefully have a look at yours when you are sorted as you seem to know what you are doing & what to buy !

Also - anyone know what's involved in getting the video feed from a GoPro to a pair of glasses so you can fly from the Quad's perspective - or is that going to be silly expensive.

Anyway - very tempted to sell all my Nitro gear and 'take the plunge'... Neal, get yours sorted then you can put me a shopping list together :)

James
25-03-2013, 12:46 PM
Hi Andy, the video I posted was with a 450 quad, quadframe gimbal using the Naza gimbal controller and a Hero 2, no video stabilisation used. I also have an sony NEX 5 for a bigger machine but for a quality gimbal plus dedicated controller and a much bigger quad its the next level and talking a few thousand. The phantom really is the best starting point as you're bound to crash it a few times while you're learning.

The standard type FPV is fatshark but on the budget model the quality if poor and you'll have a delay, if you want to do it properly you'll really need a proper base station, its ideal to learn on though.

bandit
25-03-2013, 02:19 PM
Hi James.

What did you end up buying re camera etc - is it a GoPro that you used - also what did you use to stabilise it ?

I'm quite into Video / Filming etc and use a DSLR and After Effects and loads of other stuff for my real work - and quite fancy the idea of combining my 2 fav things (Film/Video & RC !)

Neal - I think i'll hold fire and hopefully have a look at yours when you are sorted as you seem to know what you are doing & what to buy !

Also - anyone know what's involved in getting the video feed from a GoPro to a pair of glasses so you can fly from the Quad's perspective - or is that going to be silly expensive.

Anyway - very tempted to sell all my Nitro gear and 'take the plunge'... Neal, get yours sorted then you can put me a shopping list together :)

If you are looking to buy into the hobby I have lots of stuff that I may look to sell which should save you a fair few quid buying new.
Most of the stuff I have has only been used a couple of times infact I not even used my fatshark goggles yet as once I got all my gear I had a newborn and then winter came early (as usual ).
Get a shopping list together then give me a shout to see if I have what you need.
To give you an idea I have fatshark goggles , ground station in a nice neat case with no blue screen monitor (important) I have uhf radio system (50mile plus range) 5.8 video gear with cloverleaf , patch and standard antennas and also 1.2ghz video with similar antennas as mentioned. (Most of that is unused in packet) lipos loads more .f450 quad dji naza gps and flight control and even an osd so you grt a similar view fightrr jets get on screen.

Col
25-03-2013, 08:38 PM
Interesting... Wonder if that will work for mine - it's currently sat in a pond. With the red bind led still flashing!

It lives! Looks like one of the carbon legs broke mid-flight (it's had multiple crashes) which threw it into the pond. Sat on a radiator for 12hrs and flew again - on the same battery!

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/20130213_165626_zps46a82534.jpg

Col
27-03-2013, 12:50 PM
Neal - after some research of my own I've made a shopping list...

KK2 - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F24723%5F%5FHobbyking%5FKK2%5F0%5FMulti%5Frot or%5FLCD%5FFlight%5FControl%5FBoard.html
450 frame - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F24291%5F%5FHobbyking%5FSK450%5FGlass%5FFiber %5FQuadcopter%5FFrame%5F450mm.html
ESC (x4) - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17135%5F%5FTurnigy%5FTY%5FP1%5F25Amp%5FHEXFE T%5FBrushless%5FSpeed%5FController.html
Program card for above - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17136%5F%5FTurnigy%5FTY%5FP1%5F25Amp%5FBrush less%5FESC%5FProgramming%5FCard.html
props - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F25821%5F%5F10x4%5F5%5FSF%5FProps%5F2pc%5FSta ndard%5FRotation%5F2%5Fpc%5FRH%5FRotation%5FRed%5F .html
Motors (x4) - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17345%5F%5FNTM%5FProp%5FDrive%5FSeries%5F28% 5F26A%5F1200kv%5F250w.html
Motor acc pack (x4) - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F16719%5F%5FNTM%5FProp%5FDrive%5F28%5FSeries% 5FAccessory%5FPack.html
Distribution board - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F23140%5F%5FHobby%5FKing%5FQuadcopter%5FPower %5FDistribution%5FBoard.html
Cell - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F11911%5F%5FTurnigy%5Fnano%5Ftech%5F2200mah%5 F3S%5F25%5F50C%5FLipo%5FPack.html
Various bits inc standoff's, screws, heatshrink, etc - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F22734%5F%5F5%5F6mm%5Fx%5F21mm%5FM3%5FNylon%5 FThreaded%5FSpacer%5F10pc%5F.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17849%5F%5FM3X10%5FNylon%5FScrews%5F10pcs%5F bag%5F.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17853%5F%5FM3%5FNylon%5FNut%5F10pcs%5Fbag%5F .html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F68%5F%5FPolyMax%5F3%5F5mm%5FGold%5FConnector s%5F10%5FPAIRS%5F20PC%5F.html
Total = 118.62 (TX yet to be sourced - if anyone knows of any going cheap? Must be at least 5 channel)

Think of anything else I might need (other than tx/rx)?
Alot of hobbyking ownbrand stuff, but the reviews are pretty good on RCG

daz
27-03-2013, 04:52 PM
Col u geek!

neallewis
27-03-2013, 06:03 PM
Neal - after some research of my own I've made a shopping list...

KK2 - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F24723%5F%5FHobbyking%5FKK2%5F0%5FMulti%5Frot or%5FLCD%5FFlight%5FControl%5FBoard.html
450 frame - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F24291%5F%5FHobbyking%5FSK450%5FGlass%5FFiber %5FQuadcopter%5FFrame%5F450mm.html
ESC (x4) - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17135%5F%5FTurnigy%5FTY%5FP1%5F25Amp%5FHEXFE T%5FBrushless%5FSpeed%5FController.html
Program card for above - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17136%5F%5FTurnigy%5FTY%5FP1%5F25Amp%5FBrush less%5FESC%5FProgramming%5FCard.html
props - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F25821%5F%5F10x4%5F5%5FSF%5FProps%5F2pc%5FSta ndard%5FRotation%5F2%5Fpc%5FRH%5FRotation%5FRed%5F .html
Motors (x4) - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17345%5F%5FNTM%5FProp%5FDrive%5FSeries%5F28% 5F26A%5F1200kv%5F250w.html
Motor acc pack (x4) - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F16719%5F%5FNTM%5FProp%5FDrive%5F28%5FSeries% 5FAccessory%5FPack.html
Distribution board - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F23140%5F%5FHobby%5FKing%5FQuadcopter%5FPower %5FDistribution%5FBoard.html
Cell - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F11911%5F%5FTurnigy%5Fnano%5Ftech%5F2200mah%5 F3S%5F25%5F50C%5FLipo%5FPack.html
Various bits inc standoff's, screws, heatshrink, etc - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F22734%5F%5F5%5F6mm%5Fx%5F21mm%5FM3%5FNylon%5 FThreaded%5FSpacer%5F10pc%5F.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17849%5F%5FM3X10%5FNylon%5FScrews%5F10pcs%5F bag%5F.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F17853%5F%5FM3%5FNylon%5FNut%5F10pcs%5Fbag%5F .html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F68%5F%5FPolyMax%5F3%5F5mm%5FGold%5FConnector s%5F10%5FPAIRS%5F20PC%5F.html
Total = 118.62 (TX yet to be sourced - if anyone knows of any going cheap? Must be at least 5 channel)

Think of anything else I might need (other than tx/rx)?
Alot of hobbyking ownbrand stuff, but the reviews are pretty good on RCG

Hi Col, I started out with a list like this from hobbyking, but after some deliberation decided to go the DJI Naza Kit way.
I priced up all the bits very similar spec to yours, same frame, same motors, 30A Turnigy Plush ESCs, and all the bits and bobs you've added here.
Hobbyking do make a clone of the DJI F450 quad frame, I think theirs is the Q450. There have been reports of it being very similar, but the quality isn't as good, although other people have said they are the exact same unit. I'll probably order one for spares they are only a few $ compared to the 30 or so for the DJI frame.
I was also looking at the KK v2.0 board, which are good and very hackable. I struggled to find the right information for the correct props to use with my motor, frame and batteries choices. Then there was the issue of changing firmware on ESC's to consider, and lots of different information to take in.

Then I started reading about the NAZA flight controller, and saw videos of it in action compared to the KK, and others, and it appears by far the best, albeit a lot more money. Then I discovered they do a kit with everything you need to get it running, for about the same money as the hobbyking bits to build the same. Plus you get support and backup if its all DJI kit, they say.

When you factor in not all the stuff I wanted was in stock at the same time, or in the same hobbyking warehouse, and you need to ship it on multiple orders to keep it below the customs radar, multiple postages charges, then the 10days+ delivery time for some items, it was easier just to order the DJI F450 kit with the Naza controller I had decided I wanted. it's 302 from heliguy.com up in northumberland. Getting it delivered tomorrow. The baulk of the extra cost is the Naza flight controller, which are a lot more expensive than the KK boards. Take out the flight controller, and the are very similar cost.

Doing my research I also came across the multiwii flight controllers which I think are worth a look as well. Again very hackable and work and fly very well. You can also add in cheap(er than DJI) GPS sensors and there are lots of software settings to play with to get it flying how you like.

I got my battery packs from Hobbyking UK warehouse, they had them in stock and shipped next day. 3S 3000mAh 40C jobbies.


Radio gear.
By far the best pricepoint option is the Turnigy 9X radio gear. it's again from hobbyking, though always shown out of stock, but I've heard to order it anyway and they just send it out soon as they have stock. You want the V2 mode 2 unit, either with the Jr type module and receiver or without any. They are spectrum BNF compatible/clones, and super cheap to buy compared with the big brands 8/9 channel stuff. Mine arrived yesterday after a snow delay, actually really impressed with the quality and feel of it, was expecting something cheaper. Feels like a decent radio.
I'm going to run mine with the FrSky JR Module and FrSky 8 channel receiver, as they offer far far greater range and no interference, unlike the regular 9X or spectrum DSM gear. Read about far too many problems with interference with them. The FrSky plug in modules/receivers are available locally here: http://www.t9hobbysport.com/item.asp?catid=115&subcatid=234&prodid=594

The good thing about the 9X transmitter platform is there have been many RC hacker groups that have reworked and modified the firmware to add new features and turn the 9x into a far far more advanced unit. Search for ER9x or Turnigy 9X hacks for lots of info on it, and all teh different projects people have done.
Hobbyking again sell the 9X, but often show out of stock, and had none in the UK warehouse, or from HK. I looked on ebay and found shop RCGeeksUK http://stores.ebay.co.uk/RCGeeksUK sellign them for 69.99 with free next day delivery. I got mine from there.



So I'm hoping for no more snow delays and my kit will arrive tomorrow so i'll have something new to play with over the weekend. I've got my gorpo already, and am looking at gimbal options for it once I've got it up and flying ok. I'll look to get FPV addons later on.

James
27-03-2013, 06:23 PM
You've gone through all the same thought processes and conclusions I went through when I bought my gear last year! Its the ideal starting point I think, although there's a lot to learn and make sure you fly on gps first lol

andys
27-03-2013, 09:19 PM
Hi Neal.

Great Post - are you leaving out the gps?

James - what does flying on gps give you other than locking the position / hover?

Not sure if I should get the GPS or not?

Cheers guys.

James
27-03-2013, 09:37 PM
GPS is just an uber flyer aid, makes it really easy, plus if you're a bit too adventurous and lose line of sight you can flick the return to home button..

You don't 'need' gps, a flight controller will do the necessary hard work for you as has been mentioned, running on full manual mode takes some practice and can be especially tricky if its windy.

andys
27-03-2013, 09:42 PM
Cheers James.

I've seen the return to home vids - looks great.
In normal flight is the gps a benefit - you mention flying in wind?

Is it easy to set all this tech up - its a far cry from setting a speedo on a car !

James
27-03-2013, 09:59 PM
Setting it up is a complete nightmare!! I still don't really know how to do it, going to take a lot more experience!

GPS is just an easy flying mode, you'll have seen the hover youtube vids and similar.

GrahamH7060
27-03-2013, 11:22 PM
After my last post , and after dropping a few hints !! I received a DJI phantom in the post yesterday !! An early birthday present from a friend of mine,

Anyway , flew it today in a field opposite where I was working today , got the hang of it a bit , used it in GPS mode , the wind was blowing quite strong , it holds itself and adjusts itself accordingly , amazing really , then I plucked up the courage to try the "fly home" function , so ..... Flew it about 150 mtrs away and about 30 mtrs up and switched off the handset , it hovered for a few seconds then started flying towards me , it stopped directly above my head, all with the wind blowing strongly too , then it slowly dropped to about 20 mtrs , hovered again for a few seconds then descended slowly down towards me , by this time I'd put the transmitter on the floor and was waiting for it to land , what astounded me was that I moved my feet about two steps to the right and the thing landed in my hands !!

To say I was blown away was an understatement !!

Can't wait for tomorrow to give it another whirl ,
Anyone got a go pro they want to sell ?

neallewis
28-03-2013, 12:14 AM
Thanks James for confirming I've made a good choice. Hopefully I'll be bringing it with me to the Spring cup.

Andy, I did leave out the GPS module on my order, but can add it back in for 120. After what James has just said about it, I think it might be best if I order it next week. I figured I'd try it without, knowing that I could add it in later. The money wasn't the issue, I just hadn't considered it might make learning to fly a bit easier!

Col's build will also be excellent, and probably a similar performing and load carrying to the DJI F450. I just figured it was an easier route to get flying for a relative beginner, with a kit package that's tried, tested and going to work out of the box. I gather they are all bit of a hackers toy anyway, in fact I first saw quads flying several years ago at a hacker conference in the Netherlands.


Graham, your Phantom sounds excellent. I can't wait to get mine built and flying now!

neallewis
28-03-2013, 01:34 PM
My kit has arrived!

James, did you need to balance the DJI props?

GrahamH7060
29-03-2013, 06:13 PM
My kit has arrived!

Cooool ! Happy building , had my second flight today with the Phantom , it's amazing , considering I've never flown anything before its quite easy to get the hang of ..... Granted I'm flying it in GPS mode but even so it's easy to control

It was even windier today than on my first outing , battery didn't seem to last too long though , I'd guess that's because it's having to make so many adjustments in the wind ?

Does anyone know what the cut off voltage is as it flashed at me to land cos of lack of power, and as I didn't get an instruction manual in the box I'm unsure!

Cheers

G

neallewis
30-03-2013, 12:57 AM
My kit has arrived!

Cooool ! Happy building , had my second flight today with the Phantom , it's amazing , considering I've never flown anything before its quite easy to get the hang of ..... Granted I'm flying it in GPS mode but even so it's easy to control

It was even windier today than on my first outing , battery didn't seem to last too long though , I'd guess that's because it's having to make so many adjustments in the wind ?

Does anyone know what the cut off voltage is as it flashed at me to land cos of lack of power, and as I didn't get an instruction manual in the box I'm unsure!

Cheers

G


Phantom instructions here: http://wiki.dji-innovations.com/en/index.php/Phantom

FAQ: http://www.dji-innovations.com/products/phantom/faq/

Downloads and manuals: http://www.dji-innovations.com/products/phantom/downloads/

Col
02-04-2013, 04:02 AM
My kit has arrived!

Changed a couple of items, but pressed the button today...
The wife will go mad

neallewis
02-04-2013, 07:21 AM
Changed a couple of items, but pressed the button today...
The wife will go mad

Excellent! Look forward to seeing it.

I've had too much on this weekend to get mine finished and setup, but its getting there.

James
02-04-2013, 09:38 AM
I'm upgrading to a bigger quad so I might sell my DJI 450 frame, boards, 4xmotors, 4xprops, 4xspeedos.. They retail at 130, anyone interested? Make me an offer?

ClydeBuilt
02-04-2013, 10:31 AM
A chap on here was flogging an AR Parrot but I missed it. :cry:

I went on YouTube to check them out and was gobsmacked! managed to find one locally at the same price and now looking forward to some F1 style arial coverage at our track.:woot:

Just thought....being so stable and with the camera being so good, a fella might offer an inspection service to estate agents? Help to pay for your RC addiction maybe? :thumbsup:

racingdwarf
02-04-2013, 11:21 AM
Have to say I was watching one film the east of england regional yesterday. Having flown rc helicopters I was amazed at how well it performed in the strong gusty wind, with a normal cyclic helicopter gusts like that under the rotor would have made things quite sporty and I'm sure no one would be to keen on it hovering 12ft above their heads

GrahamH7060
02-04-2013, 12:47 PM
Hi Dave

I was the one at holbeach yesterday flying the phantom quad ! It was only my third trial out with it and it also amazed me how well it coped in the wind !

Also when I binned it into the front of the race control hut it still worked perfectly afterwards !! Wish I would of known you had heli experience , I would of got you to fly it instead !!

Great fun though I thought

GrahamH7060
09-04-2013, 05:53 PM
I've ordered a go pro hero 3 black edition for my DJI Phantom and was wondering if it's worth while investing in one of those anti "jello" mounting plate thingy majigs ?? Anyone used one and which is the best one to get ?

Does the wireless connection option really work on the hero 3 ? I've got an ipad I'd like to link it to

I'm not looking to get too involved in the photographic side of things but I wouldn't mind some half decent results ! Is the standard mounting kit sufficient?

Cheers

G

raymondkerr
09-04-2013, 07:22 PM
The wifi works great on the Hero 3. I have the silver edition and have used it with both my iPad mini and iPhone 5 without any problems.

I used to have a Parrot AR Drone a few years back when they came out, they were easy enough to fly with the iPhone, but the camera was rubbish and the ad-hoc wifi network is created to control with the iPhone wasn't that reliable. I think with the new AR Drone 2.0, Parrot have sorted some of the issues, but forget attaching a GoPro to it, the Hero is way to heavy.

I have been looking into a proper r/c quad, something like the DJ or maybe the Storm Drone from helipal, full RTF for about 240 and comes with a reasonable radio which already has all the channels and gyro setup at the factory.

Raymond

GrahamH7060
09-04-2013, 08:05 PM
Great stuff hero 3 should be just what I'm looking for !

So , regarding the anti jello mount , anyone got any opinions about which to get or if the standard mount on the Phantom will suffice ??

James
09-04-2013, 08:34 PM
I'd get anti vibration pads yes, its really frustrating to have taken some great video only to have it ruined by the jello, you can attempt to remove it using video editing and also youtube can stabilise but the results aren't very satisfactory.
The results from the phantom will be good without but as for is it worth it - thats a yes.

GrahamH7060
09-04-2013, 09:41 PM
Thanks James , so should I get the carbon one I've seen or the Perspex one ?

Also , is it worth upgrading the propellers & if so what's the benefit ? And what difference does propeller balancing make ?? Sorry for all the questions but I'm a real newb to all flying things !!

James
09-04-2013, 10:08 PM
I don't know which ones you've seen?

I've read numerous times people have had the standard props fail and snap mid air on the 450/550, don't know about the phantom, might be less likely as its lighter. If you buy upgraded props you'll notice a huge difference in strength and rigidity. I wouldn't risk my 550 with standard props now it has landing gear, gimbal etc, but its much bigger and heavier.

I've balanced props but not noticed much difference, but I'm not a pro flyer! Can't hurt if you've got the time to do it!

neallewis
09-04-2013, 10:41 PM
Which vibration pads are good to get?

James, have you seen this french youtube video on the 550?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvolt_rQoTU
Fvolt_rQoTU
there are english subtitles.

I've been playing with mine tonight, trying to get the three position switch setup correctly on my radio, but failing.

neallewis
10-04-2013, 09:33 AM
I've been playing with mine tonight, trying to get the three position switch setup correctly on my radio, but failing.

Sorted now, I was using channel 5, rather than channel 8 on my receiver.

Colinevan
11-04-2013, 09:22 PM
What forum's are you guys reading on.

I love the idea to build one spec wise from hobby king like the list you posted and the frames seem cheap money.

I want more knowledge on how you upgrade once the bug has hit and indeed more info on the glasses ect.

Id prob go the route of a go pro for the time being and I like the idea of gps and its benefits.

Also why do you need 8 or 9 channels but 4 will suffice for the time being.

Thanks

Col.

neallewis
11-04-2013, 11:37 PM
JfefU1k9SAo

I broke it ;-)

andys
12-04-2013, 10:00 AM
Hi Neal.

What happened ? Looks like it was flying well though :)
Been really busy the last few days - so not managed to pursue mine yet.

Andy

neallewis
12-04-2013, 10:11 AM
I got a bit confused and it accelerated towards me and the ground. These things don't have brakes like an RC car!

GPS addon, more spare arms and props ordered last night ;-)

I need to mess with the gains. I was also flying on 100% dual rate with guestimates on the gains.

First flight:
6OXJZvnAYSo

neallewis
12-04-2013, 10:45 AM
What forum's are you guys reading on.

I love the idea to build one spec wise from hobby king like the list you posted and the frames seem cheap money.

I want more knowledge on how you upgrade once the bug has hit and indeed more info on the glasses ect.

Id prob go the route of a go pro for the time being and I like the idea of gps and its benefits.

Also why do you need 8 or 9 channels but 4 will suffice for the time being.

Thanks

Col.


Hi Col,

I found it difficult to find the right information needed to build mine from Hobbyking parts, which is one of the reasons why i went the DJI Naza route. there is lots of info out there on quads, but so much to trawl though, it was difficult to get to the information quickly. The other Col may be able to give you some pointers, as he went down that route and ordered from hobbyking?

I used google and looked at a lot of youtube videos. really useful for seeing what works.

4 channels will give you the basic 4 controls. it won't allow you to use a selector switch to select different modes, remotely adjust gains, or control the camera gymbal however, but you can fly if that's what you have.

Colinevan
12-04-2013, 11:11 PM
Thanks for the reply.. I had me a good ganders at the dji stuff and watched a few builds on youtube and read as many reviews so now have a slightly better understanding on whats needed.

Pros and cons to the gps and the serious flyers think theyre a wash out and want to actually fly there crafts.i on the other hand would rather play it safe and I can always sell it later on when my balls have grown ha ha. I say this as I dabbled with a collective pitch 3d heli with not much success. It wouldnt hover easily and I ended up damaging my carbon fibre blades and they werent cheap every time I decided to grow a pair and set it up.

What im not sure on is regarding the radio but seen from recommendations about the turning 9x and also rrgarding what controller and flashing and hacking ect.

I think goggles and a gimbal would come at a later date snd somethink like a mount and a go pro would be perfect for me for the time being.

Im also gempted just to get something small for the time being like that bug thing mentioned in post 1 jusy to have a dabble on. Does anyone know if there the right way to go or should I look at something else.

Lastly is it a big leap in cost from a 450 to a 550 and what are the advantages and disadvantaged. Not much difference in price for the frame but then again ite everything else ha ha.

Thanks

Col.

ImHi Col,

I found it difficult to find the right information needed to build mine from Hobbyking parts, which is one of the reasons why i went the DJI Naza route. there is lots of info out there on quads, but so much to trawl though, it was difficult to get to the information quickly. The other Col may be able to give you some pointers, as he went down that route and ordered from hobbyking?

I used google and looked at a lot of youtube videos. really useful for seeing what works.

4 channels will give you the basic 4 controls. it won't allow you to use a selector switch to select different modes, remotely adjust gains, or control the camera gymbal however, but you can fly if that's what you have.

andys
13-04-2013, 12:36 PM
Col.

The 'Bug' thing's are ace. I got mine from BangGood as per Neals recommendations. Flew it in the park on a nice still day and it was amazing. So good i've bought another. I think i'm going to make sure i'm confident with it before flying anything bigger. It's a great way to learn hoy to fly. The speed of the thing is amazing. I got confident and crashed it many times with no breakages. I'm sure a big Quad would have died from my flying style!

I'm going the DJI route and Naza as it looks like the business. Also I think i'll go GPS too as I like the 'fly home' concept. The DJI Phantom looks cool, and I may be getting my hands on one through another route to learn with.

Get a little toy one - get down the park over summer and learn to fly, that's what i'm doing.

Col
13-04-2013, 04:07 PM
Mine is in the UK.

I know this due to the mahooooosive customs bill...

I use this forum: http://www.rcgroups.com/aircraft-electric-multirotors-790/

For stuff like the above use "scratchbuilt", for the 929,939, 949, 959 stuff use mini multirotors.

I have all the ones above (and others) so can help if you're after recommendations for a micro

Colinevan
15-04-2013, 11:01 PM
Mine is in the UK.

I know this due to the mahooooosive customs bill...

I use this forum: http://www.rcgroups.com/aircraft-electric-multirotors-790/

For stuff like the above use "scratchbuilt", for the 929,939, 949, 959 stuff use mini multirotors.

I have all the ones above (and others) so can help if you're after recommendations for a micro

Thanks col.

Im going to order a micro for the time being as its cheap money and its been a while since I attempted to fly anything ( apart from a 501x doing 8 foot in the air lol).

So far bang good seem cheap for a wl toys variant. Im actually liking the idea of the model with the built in web cam. Check the vids out on you tube its better than what you think for 40 all in delivered or so.

However I also saw the wl toys helicopter and was like should I buy one if them as well lol.

I have a 3d dragonfly that had radio probs around 5 years Go. It was a cheap at the time 130 ish model but was plagued by cheap electrics. Servo glitching. Cheap receiver and radio. I could probably now buy a decent turnigy 9x and receiver and have this for the heli,
Power a micro heli with itsown receiver and also use this for when I get around to buying a 450 or 550 .

Is there anywhere in the uk to get cheap micros though .

Thanks for the help so far guys.

Col.

Col
15-04-2013, 11:20 PM
Yeah, I have a couple of 911's, a 912 and a 913 as well...

911 is great indoors, 912 great outdoors (in mild wind) and the 913 was a rash purchase and I haven't flown it. By all accounts it's not as good as the 912 anyway.

A 9x will bind to all the previously mentioned WLToys range (but not 3d capable 922 heli or any of the 2xx range quads) with the right module (the FrSky I believe)
Of all the bunch, the 939 is the best. New gen 949's are actually 929's with different canopy's and the 959 is an old gen 949 with firmware added for the camera. All fly well outside and are quite capable in mild wind, but turbulence is massive and off putting.
For the price, any of the range is superb. The only thing that comes close in value for money terms is the Husban X4 - it's a better machine but substantially more expensive (I have one of these as well...)

Latest toy has landed...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130415_155342_zpsc037f967.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130415_155342_zpsc037f967.jpg.html)
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130415_155226_zpsc6333fca.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130415_155226_zpsc6333fca.jpg.html)

Build well underway

Colinevan
16-04-2013, 12:15 AM
Ha ha great stuff and thanks for the advice. My mrs would be too suspicious on a box full of shiny parts id have to hide it in the car and build it lol.

Im thinking a 911 heli and either a husban x4 as they sell them locally at jespares ot the wl toys quad with camera then. I just didnt fancy getting stung on the customs.

Post some pics up of the build and make me dig the credit csrd out ha ha.

Col.
Yeah, I have a couple of 911's, a 912 and a 913 as well...

911 is great indoors, 912 great outdoors (in mild wind) and the 913 was a rash purchase and I haven't flown it. By all accounts it's not as good as the 912 anyway.

A 9x will bind to all the previously mentioned WLToys range (but not 3d capable 922 heli or any of the 2xx range quads) with the right module (the FrSky I believe)
Of all the bunch, the 939 is the best. New gen 949's are actually 929's with different canopy's and the 959 is an old gen 949 with firmware added for the camera. All fly well outside and are quite capable in mild wind, but turbulence is massive and off putting.
For the price, any of the range is superb. The only thing that comes close in value for money terms is the Husban X1 - it's a better machine but substantially more expensive (I have one of these as well...)

Latest toy has landed...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/20130415_155342_zpsc037f967.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/20130415_155342_zpsc037f967.jpg.html)
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/20130415_155226_zpsc6333fca.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/20130415_155226_zpsc6333fca.jpg.html)

Build well underway

neallewis
16-04-2013, 01:02 AM
Build well underway

Looks great Col, looking forward to seeing it at York.

Hope the duty bill wasn't too much.
The backlight kit for the 9X is worthwhile getting. I put one on mine. available from the UK store too (no duty or long wait).


Mine is doing odd things. It's like its loosing radio contact and flying off to one side, before crashing. Trying to test by process of elimination.

Col
16-04-2013, 12:01 PM
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http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130415_233001_zps6855974b.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130415_233001_zps6855974b.jpg.html)

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130416_115429_zps386e0c42.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130416_115429_zps386e0c42.jpg.html)

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http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130416_115933_zps1ac57c0d.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130416_115933_zps1ac57c0d.jpg.html)

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130416_115953_zpsf31df0be.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130416_115953_zpsf31df0be.jpg.html)

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130416_120011_zpsff080354.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130416_120011_zpsff080354.jpg.html)

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130416_094808_zpsb3f433e5.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130416_094808_zpsb3f433e5.jpg.html)


All done, calibrated and (hopefully) secured properly.
Far too windy for a test flight at the moment, and our lass is sleeping beauty upstairs (she's on nights) so can't even spin it up much downstairs

Col
16-04-2013, 12:03 PM
Hope the duty bill wasn't too much.

All bits (inc 9x and FrSKY) were $346 delivered, and the customs was EUR 70.48.
So I've absolutely no idea how much any of it was TBH...

andys
16-04-2013, 01:21 PM
Col - I am very Jealous :)

Col
16-04-2013, 07:24 PM
Col - I am very Jealous :)

I am frustrated! A new toy that I can't play with!:mad:

Colinevan
16-04-2013, 08:14 PM
Col - I am very Jealous :)
Me 2. How am I supposed to be happy with a 959 and maybe a 911chopper .

Pah!

Col
16-04-2013, 08:51 PM
Me 2. How am I supposed to be happy with a 959 and maybe a 911chopper .

Pah!

Both great machines buddy! You'll not be disappointed!
Can't deny that I'm a little excited to give the new toy a blast though...

Col
18-04-2013, 07:56 PM
Looks like I'll have to wait a little longer...

Whilst trying to calibrate the self level system, I fried a motor - que bad "MTronics" style smell, and a daughter laughing.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130418_195347_zpsc3709fee.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130418_195347_zpsc3709fee.jpg.html)

Neal - change of plans. I've got to work sat night so won't be racing but if you want to swing by my house and pick up my 9x you're more than welcome. PM me

daz
18-04-2013, 08:10 PM
Looks like I'll have to wait a little longer...

Whilst trying to calibrate the self level system, I fried a motor -
Not surprising if you wired it up :p

Col
18-04-2013, 08:29 PM
Not surprising if you wired it up :p

True... But it had flown (briefly) so I'm not taking responsibility for this one

Colinevan
20-04-2013, 07:13 AM
How did this happen?

Is it a bad motor?

Gutted for you hope you get a replacement asap.

Looks like I'll have to wait a little longer...

Whilst trying to calibrate the self level system, I fried a motor - que bad "MTronics" style smell, and a daughter laughing.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130418_195347_zpsc3709fee.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130418_195347_zpsc3709fee.jpg.html)

Neal - change of plans. I've got to work sat night so won't be racing but if you want to swing by my house and pick up my 9x you're more than welcome. PM me

neallewis
20-04-2013, 10:20 AM
Neal - change of plans. I've got to work sat night so won't be racing but if you want to swing by my house and pick up my 9x you're more than welcome. PM me

Bummer about your motor. does the hobbyking UK warehouse have any stock?

Thanks, got some more things to try today now the wind has gone. I'll arrange to meet you after work sometime if that's ok?

Col
21-04-2013, 01:13 PM
How did this happen?

Is it a bad motor?

Gutted for you hope you get a replacement asap.

Bummer about your motor. does the hobbyking UK warehouse have any stock?

Thanks, got some more things to try today now the wind has gone. I'll arrange to meet you after work sometime if that's ok?

Col - think so. The coils inside turned from nice shiney copper to burnt black. It had done 1 flight (at 3:00am in tesco carpark) without problems. It popped exactly like an ESC does - just started fizzing and smoking. The motor wasn't even running! The KK2 was in safe mode, so no controls from the tx were going to the motors.

Neal - UK warehouse are out of stock and not taking backorders for it. I've ordered 4 more as they're only 6 each + delivery and I needed a few other bits and bobs as well (bits to flash my esc's and update software on the kk2), but the wait is a killer!
I work permanent nights, so am only available (at home) between 14:00 and 21:00 during the week.

Col
29-04-2013, 10:21 PM
The wait... is killing me...
On the upside, I have upgraded my kk2 to from 1.2 to 1.5 firmware (which apparently has vastly superior self-leveling, and tomorrow I'll do the esc's.

neallewis
29-04-2013, 10:53 PM
The wait... is killing me...
On the upside, I have upgraded my kk2 to from 1.2 to 1.5 firmware (which apparently has vastly superior self-leveling, and tomorrow I'll do the esc's.

Yeah I bet Col!

I've been flying a bit. Got it tuned better now and it's staying in the air, which is a bonus! Changed props and used some better gain settings.

Took this video the other night after GT12 racing at Sherburn YMRC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrQhDS0BsCM

I just stuck my 808 #16 v2 D camera on it with velcro.

Had memory card issues yesterday at Batley, so didn't get any video. It worked really well in the high winds though.

Still occasionally getting a lock, in always in full tilt in any direction. Seems to occur at random, I can't make it do it to order. Most of the time it results in a crash, but i have sometimes recovered it, given enough space. I thought may be it was running a pack for too long, but now I think its a "feature" of the naza in atti mode.

Example at the end of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rff9wQe_2k


I just need more air time with it now. hopefully this constant wind we've been having will go soon, and I can get to fly it not fighting the wind.

Col
29-04-2013, 11:06 PM
Still occasionally getting a lock, in always in full tilt in any direction. Seems to occur at random, I can't make it do it to order. Most of the time it results in a crash, but i have sometimes recovered it, given enough space. I thought may be it was running a pack for too long, but now I think its a "feature" of the naza in atti mode.

Example at the end of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rff9wQe_2k

That looks like a set-up/programming error/fault to me. It looks like it reaches a certain level from horizontal and something prevents it from coming back. Is the naza programmable with stick scaling? Or maybe endpoints on the 9x?
What is atti mode?

neallewis
29-04-2013, 11:32 PM
That looks like a set-up/programming error/fault to me. It looks like it reaches a certain level from horizontal and something prevents it from coming back. Is the naza programmable with stick scaling? Or maybe endpoints on the 9x?
What is atti mode?

Yeah, I'm still not confidant in it. Recalibrated radio several times. You are right, it just locks on full beans in that direction. Pulling the stick the opposite way doesn't make it respond, but it does eventually, if it doesn't hit anything.
I've googled, and it seems to be an odd feature of "fast forward flight" in atti (attitude) mode. This uses the 3-axis giro, barometer and 3-axis accelerometer for sensing the attitude and altitude.

The fix seems to be don't fly like that in that mode, and switch to manual which uses only the more basic 3-axis accelerometer.

see page 3 of this: http://download.dji-innovations.com/downloads/naza/en/NM_User_Manual_v2.7_en.pdf

There is a naza software update coming very soon I believe.

I may just reduce the end points and fly in attimode at say 80% for pitch and roll.

neallewis
30-04-2013, 10:51 PM
Flying tonight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH1jDZA5bqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85az8XFmbiY


The camera is an 808 #16 v2 D lens keychain camera.
http://www.chucklohr.com/808/C16/

I'm not trusting it with my gopro just yet!

Col
30-04-2013, 11:37 PM
Just watched them via facebook.

What's the solution to the random crashing?

neallewis
01-05-2013, 12:11 AM
Just watched them via facebook.

What's the solution to the random crashing?

I just had one glitch today, and it recovered. You can't see it in the videos, it was very brief. The obvious crashes in these last two were me. It just appears a bit hard but wasn't.

I'm going to go fly it somewhere where there is no possibility of hitting some passer by and see if I can make it lock. i need to get more practice flying and try more in manual mode.

andys
01-05-2013, 09:07 AM
Looking good Neal.

I like the 'when I said stay away - you need to stay away bit' :)

Kids and Quadrocopters don't mix - like how you quickly spun it down before fingers were lost :0

twisty
01-05-2013, 04:29 PM
1:1 aircraft and q-copters wouldn`t mix well either.
I imediately thought of a Quadcopter when i saw this.

OK,who has been flying one of these quadrocopters Oop north then?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22365368

very naughty if it was a q-copter/piloted,i can see laws being passed/enforced against general use if it was and deliberate,which would be a great shame.

I wouldn`t recommend flying anything other than a kite in a public park TBH bit too risky IMHO.

Glad you have decided to find a better space Neal,keep at it :thumbsup:

Col
01-05-2013, 06:51 PM
1:1 aircraft and q-copters wouldn`t mix well either.
I imediately thought of a Quadcopter when i saw this.

OK,who has been flying one of these quadrocopters Oop north then?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22365368

very naughty if it was a q-copter/piloted,i can see laws being passed/enforced against general use if it was and deliberate,which would be a great shame.

I wouldn`t recommend flying anything other than a kite in a public park TBH bit too risky IMHO.

Glad you have decided to find a better space Neal,keep at it :thumbsup:

Interesting read!
I don't think it was a quad - at 4000ft the control boards don't work properly due to barometric pressure (or something) and the low temp drastically reduces output from the cells.
There are a few vids on youtube of quads at 1000ft, but so few it makes it seem like a big deal (if that makes sense)

York Knavesmire is a designated flying site if that helps... It's where I'll be taking mine if it ever gets airborne again.

neallewis
07-05-2013, 09:13 PM
Been out flying again tonight, it was windy. Software update on the naza, which is a really good improvement. Glitch free so far, and better control on decents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHrhgMsAON0
wHrhgMsAON0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpix-SYNXAE
hpix-SYNXAE

My flying is better in the second video I think.


How are you getting on Col? got your replacement motor and flying now?

andys
09-05-2013, 10:53 AM
Still trying to decide which route to go with this Quad stuff !

I keep looking on Hobbyking, but there is too much choice and it's confusing !

I found this guide - which looks really usefull for the KK route :
http://oddcopter.com/2012/12/12/easy-diy-quadcopter-build-part-1-the-parts-list/

I think I'm going to do this as cheaply as possible, so something to learn on before parting with too much cash.

I saw hobbyking are doing a quad speedcontroller soon - might hang on for that.

Col - How's yours going, any updates ? Are you happy with what you bought, or would you have done / bought anything differently - very temped to 'copy' your route :)

Cheers Guys.
Andy

learnerdriver
09-05-2013, 12:39 PM
if you want something to learn on, try the syma x1 for about 35 from uk

good liitle quad to start with :thumbsup:

Still trying to decide which route to go with this Quad stuff !

I keep looking on Hobbyking, but there is too much choice and it's confusing !

I found this guide - which looks really usefull for the KK route :
http://oddcopter.com/2012/12/12/easy-diy-quadcopter-build-part-1-the-parts-list/

I think I'm going to do this as cheaply as possible, so something to learn on before parting with too much cash.

I saw hobbyking are doing a quad speedcontroller soon - might hang on for that.

Col - How's yours going, any updates ? Are you happy with what you bought, or would you have done / bought anything differently - very temped to 'copy' your route :)

Cheers Guys.
Andy

andys
09-05-2013, 03:48 PM
Cheers Chris - I already have two of the WL Toy's quad's the 949 I think :)

They are indeed ace, but i'm really getting the hang of flying them now and i'd like something that's bigger and does not get blown away by a light breeze !

I wish Hobbyking sold 'packs' or at least bundled everything together on the quads to give you a simpler way of buying. I know i'll forget something - or buy something that's wrong, so although i'm ready to buy - I don't know what to buy !

I was going to do the DJI / Nazza route, but it's just too expensive for what I want. I'm sure I can do this much, much cheaper and have lots of cheap spares for when I inevitably crash.

andys
09-05-2013, 04:04 PM
Neal / Col.

Thinking of buying the parts based on this: http://www.hovership.com/2012/12/beginner-quadcopter-kit-buying-guide/

But - with the KK board and the Turnigy TX and the 450 style frame.

Any problems with it ? The speedo's are only 10 amp - is this a problem ?

Cheers guys.

Andy

mr emily
09-05-2013, 07:37 PM
I bought the Heliguy Viper, so small, so much fun.

Its hard to fly in confined space ie my living room, Good laugh though!!

Shifta
09-05-2013, 08:14 PM
I bought the Heliguy Viper, so small, so much fun.

Its hard to fly in confined space ie my living room, Good laugh though!!

I have one of these little beauty's too, in pro mode outdoors it's amazing! Even in medium winds it is really stable!
I'm not sure how this compares to flying an expensive quad but it has really helped me get used 3D flight and for 40 it's not the end of the world if you crash it! :thumbsup:

neallewis
09-05-2013, 09:36 PM
Neal / Col.

Thinking of buying the parts based on this: http://www.hovership.com/2012/12/beginner-quadcopter-kit-buying-guide/ -
looks like this kit will be the same, just a different frame: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27899__Turnigy_Micro_Quad_V2_PNP_ARF_Includes_KK 2_0_LCD_Flight_Control_Board.html

But - with the KK board and the Turnigy TX and the 450 style frame.

Any problems with it ? The speedo's are only 10 amp - is this a problem ?

Cheers guys.

Andy

I quite fancy a play now with a KK 2.0 board, the hobbyking one. was thinking about making up a micro-sized quad with it, similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GI5WUroedw

The HK Q450 frame is a direct copy of the DJI F450 frame, just much cheaper.

I'd also look at their SK450 frame: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__24291__Hobbyking_SK450_Glass_Fiber_Quadcopter_Fr ame_450mm.html
there are quite a few option parts for it, deadcat mod, etc: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__654__569__Multi_Rotors_Parts-Hobbyking_SK450_Parts.html

also check the various HK Talon frames.

You will crash and break a few arms setting set up. Something where you can get arms quickly/cheaply would help. or buy a few spares when you pick your frame.


The build guides you've linked both look fine and look to be decent quads.
I'd go for ESCs in the 25-30A range, ones that allow you to change the firmware, as that seems to be the done thing. The DJI kit 30A OPTO ones just come done, but I suspect they are similar to some hobby king units.

I'd just recommend you get a turnigy 9x radio though, over the orange/spectrum/JR based ones seem to be susceptible to interference. At least there is a good upgrade path to FrSky modules when you want with the turnigy, although the orange could be hacked with the DHT module too.

Just remember to do your hobbyking orders in smaller chunks, as not to get stung with lots of duty. and buy the cells (and anything else they have in stock) from the UK warehouse, again no duty to pay.


Looking forward to hearing from Col's progress and seeing his fly.

neallewis
09-05-2013, 10:29 PM
I quite fancy a play now with a KK 2.0 board, the hobbyking one. was thinking about making up a micro-sized quad with it, similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GI5WUroedw


Actually this: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27899__Turnigy_Micro_Quad_V2_PNP_ARF_Includes_KK 2_0_LCD_Flight_Control_Board.html
Although the frame is meant to be junk. I'd probably build my own.

HK UK warehouse has the KK2 board in stock :-)



The build guides you've linked both look fine and look to be decent quads.
I'd go for ESCs in the 25-30A range, ones that allow you to change the firmware, as that seems to be the done thing. The DJI kit 30A OPTO ones just come done, but I suspect they are similar to some hobby king units.


From what i've read, you want to get ESCs that can be flashed with SimonK firmware on them.

This gives detailed specs on the HK units: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhR02IDNb7_MdEhfVjk3MkRHVzhKdjU1YzdBQkZZR lE#gid=0

Also this seems to cover los of details about flashing:
NZsT0agRZMY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZsT0agRZMY


I believe these F-30A ESC's are a really good choice: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=15205

andys
11-05-2013, 04:02 PM
Arghhhhhhhh.

This deciding lark is killing me!

Every time I think i've made a decision - something comes along and makes me reconsider.

Eg.

The ESC's that Col bought have lots of posts about them burning out - putting out 11v on the BEC and frying controllers / motors etc. Also stuff I have read says many ESC's are for fixed wing and not Quad's which causes them to fail.

There's not an obvious ESC choice and this SimonK stuff just makes it more complicated :(

Too much choice of motors, and how to match motors to props etc is confusing.

So....

I thought i'd decided to buy this:
http://www.buildyourowndrone.co.uk/DJI-F450-Flame-Wheel-Multi-Rotor-Quadcopter-Kit-p/dji-fquadkit.htm

Then buy a KK board / Turnigy TX set & lipo's from hobbyking. At least doing it this way I know the ESC / Motors / Props will work well together and spares are available easily in the UK.


Then I saw this - found it from looking at a seller on ebay selling them for 130, but obviously I could just buy it direct - http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=786&productname=

Very tempting - what should I do guys !?

Also, what do I do re the BEC with the speedo's - with the DJI kit I need to add an external one, but what do you do if all 4 (other brand) ESC's are pumping 5V to the receiver !

learnerdriver
11-05-2013, 09:52 PM
Arghhhhhhhh.

This deciding lark is killing me!

Every time I think i've made a decision - something comes along and makes me reconsider.

Eg.

The ESC's that Col bought have lots of posts about them burning out - putting out 11v on the BEC and frying controllers / motors etc. Also stuff I have read says many ESC's are for fixed wing and not Quad's which causes them to fail.

There's not an obvious ESC choice and this SimonK stuff just makes it more complicated :(

Too much choice of motors, and how to match motors to props etc is confusing.

So....

I thought i'd decided to buy this:
http://www.buildyourowndrone.co.uk/DJI-F450-Flame-Wheel-Multi-Rotor-Quadcopter-Kit-p/dji-fquadkit.htm

Then buy a KK board / Turnigy TX set & lipo's from hobbyking. At least doing it this way I know the ESC / Motors / Props will work well together and spares are available easily in the UK.


Then I saw this - found it from looking at a seller on ebay selling them for 130, but obviously I could just buy it direct - http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=786&productname=

Very tempting - what should I do guys !?

Also, what do I do re the BEC with the speedo's - with the DJI kit I need to add an external one, but what do you do if all 4 (other brand) ESC's are pumping 5V to the receiver !

find best price for dji phantom, click buy now, assemble and fly - job done :p

no more will i wont i lol

learnerdriver
11-05-2013, 09:54 PM
think of all the flying time you are wasting ;-)

they are tough little buggers - mine has survived a few big crashes

lots of mods and upgrades coming through for them as well :thumbsup::thumbsup:

andys
12-05-2013, 12:56 PM
Phantom is tempting - but a lot of cash :(

This looks amazing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=the7WLKxp28&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Anyone know if it's $1000 ish for the phantom and Gimbal - or is he saying $1000 just for the gimbal !!!!!!

simon
12-05-2013, 03:53 PM
Quadcopter and some parts in the for sale section guys!:)

Danny Harrison
12-05-2013, 04:09 PM
Phantom is tempting - but a lot of cash :(

This looks amazing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=the7WLKxp28&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Anyone know if it's $1000 ish for the phantom and Gimbal - or is he saying $1000 just for the gimbal !!!!!!

A dji phantom is up on the modelsport forums, brand new with the gimbal for 400 quid ;)

andys
12-05-2013, 08:04 PM
A dji phantom is up on the modelsport forums, brand new with the gimbal for 400 quid ;)

It's sold - and not to me :(

Steve Ball
12-05-2013, 08:23 PM
Peter King just north of Wolverhampton makes up Hobbyking kits with the Ardupilot 2.5 flight controller. I have one of his setup's and for 270 which includes GPS to do waypoints etc. You honestly cannot go far wrong for the money.

andys
12-05-2013, 09:02 PM
Peter King just north of Wolverhampton makes up Hobbyking kits with the Ardupilot 2.5 flight controller. I have one of his setup's and for 270 which includes GPS to do waypoints etc. You honestly cannot go far wrong for the money.

Hi mate.

Could you PM me his details :)

Cheers
Andy

Steve Ball
13-05-2013, 09:00 AM
Hi mate.

Could you PM me his details :)

Cheers
Andy

Did you get the PM Andy?

Cheers
Steve

andys
13-05-2013, 09:01 AM
Did you get the PM Andy?

Cheers
Steve

Yes thanks - watched the vids last night and sent an e-mail to him. Cheers :)

Andy

learnerdriver
13-05-2013, 12:29 PM
Peter King just north of Wolverhampton makes up Hobbyking kits with the Ardupilot 2.5 flight controller. I have one of his setup's and for 270 which includes GPS to do waypoints etc. You honestly cannot go far wrong for the money.

can you pm me his details , please, looking to upgrade my 450 ;)
thanks

andys
13-05-2013, 01:43 PM
Pm Sent :)

Spoke to Peter, he e-mailed me details of the gear too. Seems like he really knows his stuff :)

Don't know why this ArduPilot 2.5 flight controller was not on my radar. Seems to do everything the Naza can and more. Looks great from the video's.

Very tempted by this now - just not entirely keen on the idea of buying it built as I like to tinker myself, but at least it will work and I suppose you can tinker from a point where it initially flies :)

andys
14-05-2013, 10:14 AM
After weeks of head scratching - I have ordered this little lot - all from the HobbyKing UK Warehouse. I was very tempted to buy a built Quad from Peter King - but I feel the only way to really learn is to build it myself. With this in mind i've gone for the smaller Quad, cheaper and less likely to break as i'm learning :)

With shipping came in at 157.46

I have though bought 2 frames and an extra esc for spares :)

I still need props / radio TX /RX / power distribution board / receiver wires, plugs / Lipo connectors . Anything else chaps ?

2x #260000006/38063 F330 Glass Fiber Mini Quadcopter Frame 330mm (UK Warehouse) = $22.50
1x #9171000073/31656 Hobbyking KK2.0 Multi-rotor LCD Flight Control Board (UK Warehouse) = $30.65
1x #9171000016/35250 5.6mm x 21mm M3 Nylon Threaded Spacer (10pc) (UK Warehouse) = $2.30
1x #OR009-00502/35181 M3x8 Nylon Screws (10pcs/bag) (UK Warehouse) = $0.93
2x #N2650.3S.25/32243 Turnigy nano-tech 2650mah 3S 25~50C Lipo Pack (UK Warehouse) = $34.78
4x #SK3-2822-1275/31202 Turnigy Aerodrive SK3 - 2822-1275 Brushless Outrunner Motor (UK Warehouse) = $66.44
1x #TR_PC/29330 TURNIGY BESC Programming Card (UK Warehouse) = $7.58
5x #TR_P18A/28407 TURNIGY Plush 18amp Speed Controller (UK Warehouse) = $62.10

andys
14-05-2013, 04:37 PM
Added this list from the US Warehouse :

Turnigy 9X 9Ch Transmitter w/ Module & 8ch Receiver (Mode 2) (v2 Firmware)
*JIT-Item (this item takes 3-5 days to dispatch)

10CM Male to Male Servo Lead (JR) 26AWG (10pcs/set)
Hobby King Quadcopter Power Distribution Board
On-Board Lipoly Low Voltage Alarm 2s~3s
8045 SF Props 2pc Standard Rotation/2 pc RH Rotation (Black)
8045 SF Props 2pc Standard Rotation/2 pc RH Rotation (Red)
Individual HXT 3.5mm connector for motor/ESC (12pc)
5.6mm x 8mm M3 Nylon Tapped Spacer (10pc)
M3x8 Nylon Screws (10pcs/bag)
HXT 4MM to Banana Plug Charge Lead Adapter
HXT 4mm Connector to T-plug conversion charge lead

neallewis
14-05-2013, 08:45 PM
Looks good that lot Andy, will make a very capable and fast small quad i'm sure.

andys
14-05-2013, 09:06 PM
Looks good that lot Andy, will make a very capable and fast small quad i'm sure.

Cheers Neal - my only concern is the motors - thought they were ideal but after ordering I began to wonder if they will be powerful enough. Plenty or rpm - but not much power on the specs.

Ive read various info / posts mainly saying they should be ok and as the Quad should be lighter I'm hoping it will be ok :)

No doubt it will be a while for it all to arrive - I'm in no rush.
You do realise I'll be asking even more questions now :)

Cheers. Andy

night.freak
15-05-2013, 09:04 AM
Those motors will be plenty powerful enough as it is a small Quad. i see you ordered a low voltage alarm, there is one on the KK2 lcd board but you have to solder 2 wires and connect it to the power distribution board, worth doing. Good luck with the Wild animal. :)

Steve Ball
15-05-2013, 10:49 AM
Keep us updated how it goes. Yes Peter knows his stuff, the Ardupilot 2.5 is a good controller, certainly does more than the Naza and its getting better each month as new firmware is released.

I don't think it'll be long before you upgrade the KK controller and start adding things like GPS and camera's, I know I didn't!

I filmed this at the Dez Chand meet in insanely high winds, I put my quad in Loiter and let go of the transmitter!

HVuoyxiwI1w

Steve Ball
15-05-2013, 10:54 AM
And I've just noticed you've bought 4 standard rotation blades. You need 2 CW and 2 CCW blades.

Hope this helps,
Steve

andys
15-05-2013, 11:23 AM
Hi Steve.

Cheers for the info :)

These are the prop sets I ordered :
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=25815
Says - "SF Props 2pc Standard Rotation/2 pc RH Rotation (Red) - Complete with spacer rings."
So I hope they are right !

My favourite part of RC cars is building them - so I had to 'have a go' myself with this and buy the bits to self assemble.

Peter was very helpful - and I was very tempted, maybe if I like this little one, i'll go to him for the next one :)

Re the alarm - I read up on that last night. So much to learn - I feel like I have learnt a new language this last month or so :)

andys
15-05-2013, 11:24 AM
Good luck with the Wild animal. :)

Worried now :)
Thought it would be tame with smaller motors !

Col
15-05-2013, 11:43 AM
The props are fine Andy.

My replacement motor arrived a couple of weeks ago, but it seems it took a phase out of the esc with it, so I've bought another 4 of those which arrived today.

RE the kk2.0 - I've flashed mine onto v1.5fw, but there are numerous hacked ones about as well. Later I'll be flashing it to another which has much improved acro settings as well as the improved self level and an apparently superb camera gimbal controller.
If you want to borrow the flash tool just let me know and I'll post it over to you - flashing was initially daunting but actually extremely simple.

Hopefully will have it in the air sometime soon...

p.s. those motors are animals...

andys
15-05-2013, 01:11 PM
Cheers Col.

Please post and let us know how you get on with the Quad now you have some new parts :)

My UK order is now 'en route' but the US order has not left yet.

Looking forward to building it. Let me know how the new firmware goes and I may take you up on the kind offer of the 'flash' gear :)

Andy

night.freak
15-05-2013, 02:17 PM
Cool Quad Video. Looks like a Nice Track there too.
Thought i would show you my Little Quad video too :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmGqf6beuQU

Col
15-05-2013, 07:22 PM
Please post and let us know how you get on with the Quad now you have some new parts :)

Well.. it flies. Badly.
I think it's probably my fault - I've continually messed with the PI settings (which TBH I don't really understand) so when I get some time I'll factory reset all the settings and start again.

But I don't care! It flies!:thumbsup:

Danny Harrison
16-05-2013, 12:01 AM
May aswell jump on bandwagon. The little chinese quads are ace to learn with. This is first day my syma landed from bangood. 27 quid delivered with 2 batteries :)

http://youtu.be/X5Bd3K7jEOg

andys
16-05-2013, 09:26 AM
May aswell jump on bandwagon. The little chinese quads are ace to learn with. This is first day my syma landed from bangood. 27 quid delivered with 2 batteries :)

http://youtu.be/X5Bd3K7jEOg


Looks awesome - have you flown one before - you look pretty confident with it :)
That little quad looks pretty rapid compared with my WL Toys one - is it bigger / more powerful?

neallewis
16-05-2013, 11:01 AM
Looks awesome - have you flown one before - you look pretty confident with it :)
That little quad looks pretty rapid compared with my WL Toys one - is it bigger / more powerful?

It's actually the same! just with a different bodyshell and white front props. the Tx software is also the older type where you push a button to flip, rather than the auto-flip at 100% setting on our WL toys v949s.

Danny Harrison
16-05-2013, 11:53 AM
Looks awesome - have you flown one before - you look pretty confident with it :)
That little quad looks pretty rapid compared with my WL Toys one - is it bigger / more powerful?

Just had a couple goes of Neals before it came, I seem to find them fairly intuitive. Probably from playing on playstations for years as a kid/young adult :)

Col
16-05-2013, 08:07 PM
You seem to have the same camera man as Neal... turn it round 90degree!

A full reset has transformed mine and (with the 1min of battery life left) it flew pretty well tonight. Still needs some fine tuning, but it's a vast improvement on last night.
Should be at YORCC on the 25th of you boys fancy it?

OneKiwi
16-05-2013, 09:25 PM
May aswell jump on bandwagon. The little chinese quads are ace to learn with. This is first day my syma landed from bangood. 27 quid delivered with 2 batteries :)

http://youtu.be/X5Bd3K7jEOg

Hi could you post a link to where you got it. Or to other cheap ones that are ok or upgradable Thanks Simon

northernmonkey
16-05-2013, 09:30 PM
Nice flying. Ordered a syma myself, any idea where I can purchase a second lipo?

Cheers

andys
16-05-2013, 09:43 PM
You seem to have the same camera man as Neal... turn it round 90degree!

A full reset has transformed mine and (with the 1min of battery life left) it flew pretty well tonight. Still needs some fine tuning, but it's a vast improvement on last night.
Should be at YORCC on the 25th of you boys fancy it?

Hi Col.

Glad to hear its looking promising.

Please post the KK settings once you get it sorted - mine is 'en-route' :)

Andy

Danny Harrison
16-05-2013, 10:33 PM
You seem to have the same camera man as Neal... turn it round 90degree!

A full reset has transformed mine and (with the 1min of battery life left) it flew pretty well tonight. Still needs some fine tuning, but it's a vast improvement on last night.
Should be at YORCC on the 25th of you boys fancy it?

Im dying to get up to York to be honest. Its difficult for me at the min with no real car....

I'll give neal a nudge and get him his supper :thumbsup:

Hi could you post a link to where you got it. Or to other cheap ones that are ok or upgradable Thanks Simon
Nice flying. Ordered a syma myself, any idea where I can purchase a second lipo?

Cheers
Here you go pal, real good fun, it will even carry the small 720p cameras. They can be bought on same site for around 7 quid!

Lipo's also available here too. The 550mah ones from the V949's also fit and come in at 5 for under a tenner.

http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Syma-X1-Series-2_4G-4CH-4-Aixs-RC-BumbleBee-UFO-Micro-Quadcopter-p-48760.html

Col
17-05-2013, 04:56 PM
Hi Col.

Glad to hear its looking promising.

Please post the KK settings once you get it sorted - mine is 'en-route' :)

Andy

That was the mistake that I made - I copied settings from another quad of the same frame, but with different motors and speedo. It was horrendous!
It's trial and error I'm afraid. With room for improvement mine are very close to the ones in the first post of this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1675613. It's still not right, but with limited time and no real space it's hard to get it right!

GrahamH7060
17-05-2013, 06:24 PM
Just watched Danny's video of the little Syma quad , it's really cool and great flying btw !

Was wondering ( and please forgive my ignorance ) if its possible to do those flips and things and loops with a DJI phantom ? If so , what's the stick movements ??

I've recently got the phantom but only flew it 3 times so far due to time !

One more question , I've just bought a hero 3 black edition camera , the mount that comes with the phantom is only suitable with the hero 2 and is too large for the 3 , and when I use the case that comes with the camera I can only mount it upside down !
So , is it possible to correct the inverted picture when I load the video onto my computer ? I haven't even tried the camera yet so I'm totally unsure !

As I said , I'm new to quads and cameras so I'd appreciate all the help I can get!

Thanks in advance

Graham

Danny Harrison
17-05-2013, 06:44 PM
Dont know about the mounts, but you could certainly invert the picture on a pc.

andys
17-05-2013, 06:49 PM
HELP !!!!

Package 1 arrived today - and some how I got these motors with a full length shaft and not the short (no shaft) versions I was expecting.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=31202

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/18150.jpg

Will they be ok - if so which side mounts to the Quads arm !!
I thought the adapter thing screwed onto it for the prop, so based on my crappy logic, this would mean that the motor shaft would be pointing down and not used as such, just poking through the arm of the quad... Is this right :(

andys
17-05-2013, 07:22 PM
This is what i've got :

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15062770/motor.jpg

I assume the motor will go this way around with the mount thing for the prop screwed on with the 3 screws that screw it to the motor?

Then - what do i need / buy for the colet thing to go on top - as i'll be left with a thread / bolt as it stands.... confused...

andys
18-05-2013, 05:34 PM
I'm pressing on with the build.
I think The motors will be ok - just the shaft protrudes through the frame - no biggy.

Space is though tight on the 330 frame - so I bought one of these today:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/36674.jpg

Hopefully it will make things tidier and easier :)

Build in progress - 2nd shipment from US is en route now :)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15062770/build1.jpg

neallewis
18-05-2013, 11:25 PM
Looks good Andy. Can't help with motor issue sorry.

A few vids after racing today at the Proline Challenge, RHR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsbhrDlA7YI

AsbhrDlA7YI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfvsIIU7jVM

XfvsIIU7jVM

neallewis
19-05-2013, 09:39 PM
More flight vids from RHR today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o80_S3ZZ4bE
o80_S3ZZ4bE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUZsX4rTzIA
rUZsX4rTzIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDz5lti1lns
hDz5lti1lns

Col
19-05-2013, 09:53 PM
I love watching your vids, Neal.
It's quite interesting to watch you go from hovering at head height to throwing it around as your confidence grows!

On a personal note I've finally got the settings for my kk2 board sorted - it's now stable and responsive with no oscillation or WOD (wobble of death) at all. Only downside now is that I find I didn't order enough battery's...

andys
19-05-2013, 10:11 PM
My build is on hold because :

1-Tx and a few other bits are en route.

2-Hobby King UK sent me 3 motors that I ordered and the 4th that is a different size / spec :(

Bugger....

neallewis
19-05-2013, 10:12 PM
I love watching your vids, Neal.
It's quite interesting to watch you go from hovering at head height to throwing it around as your confidence grows!

On a personal note I've finally got the settings for my kk2 board sorted - it's now stable and responsive with no oscillation or WOD (wobble of death) at all. Only downside now is that I find I didn't order enough battery's...

Thanks Col, glad you like them.
Yes I'm a bit more confident now after this weekend at RHR. Seeing James fly mine made me dare to open it up and throw it round. The wide open space helped, i'll go find some fields locally now, with nothing to hit.

James said the mine was slower (than his quad), but the latest naza software update reduces the max-tilt angle in GPS mode, and i'm running different props. its fact enough (for now) and i'll try some upgraded graupner props when i see them for sale.


Good news on your setup. Can't wait to see it fly. I'm at a wedding next sat, so won't be at this coming meeting at York

neallewis
19-05-2013, 10:15 PM
My build is on hold because :

1-Tx and a few other bits are en route.

2-Hobby King UK sent me 3 motors that I ordered and the 4th that is a different size / spec :(

Bugger....

bummer Andy :-(

can you source an alternative elsewhere?

Col
19-05-2013, 11:07 PM
I've a couple of queries...

How are your battery's secured to the quad? Are these used?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=12985
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/OR013A-02303A.jpg

The other one will resurface in my mind soon:eh?:

Col
19-05-2013, 11:11 PM
It's resurfaced.
Are you still using the 808#16? How is it attached - velcro?

neallewis
19-05-2013, 11:13 PM
Yes, one similar to that, plus some sticky Velcro on each pack, lining up with a 2" piece on the quad. I didn't feel the strap alone was enough.

neallewis
19-05-2013, 11:18 PM
It's resurfaced.
Are you still using the 808#16? How is it attached - velcro?

Yup, 808 #16 v2 D lens (wide angle) Velcroed to the frame. Its not perfect, but doing me fine until I have learned to fly well enough to risk the gopro, and I buy a gimbal.

Col
19-05-2013, 11:56 PM
Yes, one similar to that, plus some sticky Velcro on each pack, lining up with a 2" piece on the quad. I didn't feel the strap alone was enough.

How the chuffin hell are they supposed to work?
Post a pic...!

neallewis
20-05-2013, 11:03 AM
How the chuffin hell are they supposed to work?
Post a pic...!

http://courgette.jml.net/~neal/RC/F450_resize.jpg (http://courgette.jml.net/~neal/RC/F450.jpg)

Velcro strap has hook one side, loop the other. its through the topdeck and looked over itself to secure. I felt the pack would slip out, so i stuck a 2" piece of velcro on the topdeck, and some loop on the packs to line up. it stays put now.

Col
20-05-2013, 11:27 AM
mine are essentially the same, except...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130520_122357_zps27d10e35.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130520_122357_zps27d10e35.jpg.html)

Unless I twist the strap, it is fluffy side to fluffy side. Or am I too stupid to work it out?

andys
20-05-2013, 11:55 AM
mine are essentially the same, except...


Unless I twist the strap, it is fluffy side to fluffy side. Or am I too stupid to work it out?

Col - How the hell did you ever get this thing to fly when you can't work out the velcro strap :)

neallewis
20-05-2013, 12:01 PM
mine are essentially the same, except...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130520_122357_zps27d10e35.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130520_122357_zps27d10e35.jpg.html)

Unless I twist the strap, it is fluffy side to fluffy side. Or am I too stupid to work it out?

Don't put it through the loop and try put it back on itself, you'll lave loop to loop. move the position so you can pass it through, then tighten it down on the hook side.

Does this picture help?

http://courgette.jml.net/~neal/RC/F450-2_resize.jpg (http://courgette.jml.net/~neal/RC/F450-2.jpg)

neallewis
20-05-2013, 05:59 PM
It's resurfaced.
Are you still using the 808#16? How is it attached - velcro?

Col, this is the reputable ebay seller of the various 808 keychain cameras:
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/eletoponline365

They are well described and you get the exact version you order.

Mine is the 808 #16 v2 D Lens.

More info about them here: http://www.chucklohr.com/808/C16/

I'm very happy with mine considering its 28 delivered from china. Came in under 10 days as well.

Col
20-05-2013, 07:28 PM
Don't put it through the loop and try put it back on itself, you'll lave loop to loop. move the position so you can pass it through, then tighten it down on the hook side.

Does this picture help?

http://courgette.jml.net/~neal/RC/F450-2_resize.jpg (http://courgette.jml.net/~neal/RC/F450-2.jpg)

Doh...

Do I spy a GPS unit?

learnerdriver
20-05-2013, 07:30 PM
So what are you boys doing to minimise a fly away ?

Reading about lots of tears from flyaways on variuos forums with some never found :thumbdown:

Solutions seem to be a sticky label with contact details or a gps tracker !

Been playing today with a 40 personal gps tracker off the bay, loaded with a payg sim card on same network as my mobile.

Can get co-ordinates or google map link with a text message command :thumbsup:

Seems to do what it says on the tin :)

Hopefully try some long range FPV at the weekend :lol:

hth

Col
20-05-2013, 07:31 PM
Col - How the hell did you ever get this thing to fly when you can't work out the velcro strap :)

It's always the little things! Can you believe I've been racing these toy cars for nearly 7-8 years (this time) and have never built one?

Col, this is the reputable ebay seller of the various 808 keychain cameras:
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/eletoponline365

They are well described and you get the exact version you order.

Mine is the 808 #16 v2 D Lens.

More info about them here: http://www.chucklohr.com/808/C16/

I'm very happy with mine considering its 28 delivered from china. Came in under 10 days as well.

Already got one, just wondered how it was secured. I've always used velcro in the past with pretty good results, but this thing pulls much higher G's than a fixed pitch heli or miniquad.

neallewis
20-05-2013, 08:30 PM
Doh...

Do I spy a GPS unit?

Yup you do. it flies real nice with it :-)

neallewis
20-05-2013, 08:33 PM
So what are you boys doing to minimise a fly away ?

Reading about lots of tears from flyaways on variuos forums with some never found :thumbdown:

Solutions seem to be a sticky label with contact details or a gps tracker !

Been playing today with a 40 personal gps tracker off the bay, loaded with a payg sim card on same network as my mobile.

Can get co-ordinates or google map link with a text message command :thumbsup:

Seems to do what it says on the tin :)

Hopefully try some long range FPV at the weekend :lol:

hth

I've not yet had a flyaway!

Actually I did with the v949, but I found it looking in the area i thought it went down, and revved up the props to make a noise, then located it from the sound.

what GPS tracker are you using? Link?

neallewis
20-05-2013, 08:35 PM
Already got one, just wondered how it was secured. I've always used velcro in the past with pretty good results, but this thing pulls much higher G's than a fixed pitch heli or miniquad.

Ah cool. yes velcro works fine for me. i made the error of putting a rubber band on it, but it transferred all the vibrations to the camera. velcro seems to a good job of reducing the prop vibrations :thumbsup:

learnerdriver
20-05-2013, 09:49 PM
I've not yet had a flyaway!

Actually I did with the v949, but I found it looking in the area i thought it went down, and revved up the props to make a noise, then located it from the sound.

what GPS tracker are you using? Link?

New Mini GPS Personal Locator Car GSM Tracker GT03B Upgrade Version Realtime UK

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220830251882?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

DanB4
21-05-2013, 06:39 AM
I've had a DJI Phantom for a while now - using a GoPro Hero 3 HD Black.

Awesome.

They just brought out a plug & play FPV kit for it too - better start saving!

learnerdriver
21-05-2013, 08:31 AM
Ah cool. yes velcro works fine for me. i made the error of putting a rubber band on it, but it transferred all the vibrations to the camera. velcro seems to a good job of reducing the prop vibrations :thumbsup:

try pedal board velcro, much stronger than ordinary velcro ;)

learnerdriver
21-05-2013, 08:33 AM
New Mini GPS Personal Locator Car GSM Tracker GT03B Upgrade Version Realtime UK

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220830251882?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

If you do get one, pm me as there are some extra commands i have found to get uk time as default is gmt +8 :-(

neallewis
21-05-2013, 09:22 AM
If you do get one, pm me as there are some extra commands i have found to get uk time as default is gmt +8 :-(

sure. Are you limited to using that cootrack http://www.cootrack.com website for tracking?

learnerdriver
21-05-2013, 11:50 AM
sure. Are you limited to using that cootrack http://www.cootrack.com website for tracking?

from what i have read, cootrack is free for first 12 months then subscription ;-(

will just get a few gps reference points to start with !

Col
22-05-2013, 06:52 PM
A few more back yard flights under my belt now and still loving the kk2!

Andy - USBasp flash tool is going in the post tonight (2nd class - the only stamps I have!)

There are plenty of "how to's" out there, but this is the one that I used:

9ilja0BjlBE

The hardest bit is getting the driver to work. Some people are having trouble with the older USBasp tools and windows 7, but this laptop is win7 64bit and it all worked fine.

andys
23-05-2013, 06:32 PM
Cheers Col.

Appreciate the help :)

I am still very confused by this though.. done some more reading on prop adapters / prop savers etc and I think I should have bought motors that are kind of the other way around - with the motor shaft extending out the other side so I could use a prop saver :(

As it is - I have to use the included prop adapters - shown here mounted with the 3 screws.
It's effectively a nut & bolt with a washer, so my question is how is the prop held firm ? Is it just held by the pressure of the nut & bolt, I thought there would be a flatspot on the shaft or similar - like we have with buggies / pinion gears - very confused about this :(

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15062770/prop.jpg

neallewis
28-05-2013, 11:07 AM
Cheers Col.

Appreciate the help :)

I am still very confused by this though.. done some more reading on prop adapters / prop savers etc and I think I should have bought motors that are kind of the other way around - with the motor shaft extending out the other side so I could use a prop saver :(

As it is - I have to use the included prop adapters - shown here mounted with the 3 screws.
It's effectively a nut & bolt with a washer, so my question is how is the prop held firm ? Is it just held by the pressure of the nut & bolt, I thought there would be a flatspot on the shaft or similar - like we have with buggies / pinion gears - very confused about this :(

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15062770/prop.jpg


The DJI motors/props have a 6mm shaft with some flat spots, however 3rd party props are just 6mm without the matching flat spots, and the nut tightening down (on the shaft and prop) holds them in place.

andys
28-05-2013, 01:24 PM
Cheers Neal.

I figured it must just be held in place by force !

I brought it all the Batley - to ask you questions - but you were not there :(

Col - I have (I think) flashed the KK to 1.5 - super easy on the Mac, none of that silly having to install drivers - it just worked, many thanks for the loan of the cable thing.

PM Me your address and i'll get it straight back to you :)

Hoping my Hobby King overseas goodies will be here soon.....

Col
28-05-2013, 07:23 PM
Col - I have (I think) flashed the KK to 1.5 - super easy on the Mac, none of that silly having to install drivers - it just worked, many thanks for the loan of the cable thing.

PM Me your address and i'll get it straight back to you :)


1.5acro, official 1.6 and unofficial 1.6++ all available now... I've heard good things about all of them so I think I'll go to 1.6 in a bit!

Pm sent buddy

neallewis
28-05-2013, 09:46 PM
I brought it all the Batley - to ask you questions - but you were not there :(


Sorry, family day :-)

I'll be there on Sunday.

andys
29-05-2013, 04:17 PM
Sorry, family day :-)

I'll be there on Sunday.

No worries - i'll bring it along this sunday to Batley.

Just had a note through the door with a 21 customs bill and a packet awaiting at the local sorting office - it should be the 'big one' with the radio and everything else.

Barring not knowing what the hell i'm doing - I should be crashing soon :)

neallewis
29-05-2013, 04:35 PM
No worries - i'll bring it along this sunday to Batley.

Just had a note through the door with a 21 customs bill and a packet awaiting at the local sorting office - it should be the 'big one' with the radio and everything else.

Barring not knowing what the hell i'm doing - I should be crashing soon :)

Excellent news!

jimmy
29-05-2013, 05:11 PM
WARNING:

Never lend anyone your copter.


I borrowed James Helliwell's DJI 550 to try and sort out the gimbal so it could be moved from the transmitter. I thought I'd give it a bit of a try in the garden - awesomely stable (naza gps) until I smashed it into my tree (it's got a tree protection order on it, so it's big!)
Smashing 3 blades and the landing gear.

I brought it inside and ordered some new blades and went back to work on the gimbal. I got it set up eventually so it would be adjusted and would still self level and work properly. Awesome. Then I moved the sticks which caused it to start up and repeatedly smack my monitor until I could shut it down.

I gave James the copter back this past weekend - with a load of blades. He took off - and immediately smashed it up because I'd accidentally swapped the channels round on the reciever. So I not only smashed it in person but also by proxy.

I AM AWESOME

I think I will get one to practice with :cry:

James
29-05-2013, 05:40 PM
WARNING:

Never lend anyone your copter.


I borrowed James Helliwell's DJI 550 to try and sort out the gimbal so it could be moved from the transmitter. I thought I'd give it a bit of a try in the garden - awesomely stable (naza gps) until I smashed it into my tree (it's got a tree protection order on it, so it's big!)
Smashing 3 blades and the landing gear.

I brought it inside and ordered some new blades and went back to work on the gimbal. I got it set up eventually so it would be adjusted and would still self level and work properly. Awesome. Then I moved the sticks which caused it to start up and repeatedly smack my monitor until I could shut it down.

I gave James the copter back this past weekend - with a load of blades. He took off - and immediately smashed it up because I'd accidentally swapped the channels round on the reciever. So I not only smashed it in person but also by proxy.

I AM AWESOME

I think I will get one to practice with :cry:

You animal lol.. Yes there's been a lot to learn in the last year of quadding but I think the rig we have now is pretty awesome for filming, expect some great footage at some of the upcoming meetings!

I advise anyone to start off with the more basic machines and get to grips and learn as you go along rather than buying top gear right away!

jimmy
29-05-2013, 09:50 PM
Sorry James :blush:

Iust wait until I've rigged up the 3rd axis (only for smoothing the video - not for panning) it will be awesome. I will have a look at my finances and see if I can get it ordered asap.

andys
29-05-2013, 10:20 PM
Jimmy - you are a legend.

Laughed so hard it hurt :)

Andy

andys
30-05-2013, 09:57 AM
Went to post office today to pick up my parcel....

It was not my HobbyKing parts :(
It was 2 shells sent from Australia for me to paint for a chap. Can't believe I had to pay 21.58 to pick them up :(

Not happy today..

jimmy
30-05-2013, 12:07 PM
Thats crap mate - I'd ask the chap since he should have declared their true value with is somewhere around the price of an empty bottle of coke :lol:

You do not have to pay if you are re-exporting I didn't think. Call HMRC and tell them the situation.

I got screwed when Tamiya USA sent me some parts FREE. I lost count but I must have pair around 180 in vat/duty/charges for something that was sent to me. In that case I called hmrc to dispute it since they were samples for review - but because I wasn't going to re-export it I think that was the problem.

You are - so I don't think the VAT should apply. It's like you're fixing something for someone, you're improving it, and sending it back. I'm fairly sure you can talk to hmrc and get a refund give these circumstances.

My recent situation was different since I bought something and should have paid tax etc. But it was so grossly miscalculated that I refused. They wanted so much proof of the costs of shipping that I've no proof of (since it was included) so they just make up a number and multiplied by 10.

bodgit
30-05-2013, 04:49 PM
Somebody has put some thought into this to give you the best of two worlds a car and quadcopter in one. Overtaking could have a whole new meaning.
http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/quadcopter-is-this-helicopter-car-the-future-of-transport

http://db2.stb.s-msn.com/i/5A/891E88AE5C2762536B4A3D6E851AEE_h498_w598_m2.jpg (http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/images.aspx?cp-documentid=255483865&page=2)

andys
30-05-2013, 05:32 PM
Anyone know how to track orders from HobbyKing ?

All I seem to have is my order number (in the my account section of the site)

Clicking this takes me to the Hong Kong post website - but to a no populated page asking for a 13 digit tracking / reference. Trying the order number here doesn't work.

Getting frustrated now as I ordered on the 16th May :(

andys
30-05-2013, 05:43 PM
Tracking link works now.

Date # Location Delivery Status
24-May-2013 Hong Kong Item posted and is being processed.
24-May-2013 Hong Kong Processed for departure.
24-May-2013 Hong Kong The item left Hong Kong for its destination on 25-May-2013
28-May-2013 United Kingdom Arrived and is being processed.
28-May-2013 United Kingdom Pending customs inspection.
28-May-2013 United Kingdom Pending customs inspection.

Also - the motor the UK store sent me incorrectly still is unresolved. So they sent the wrong item and 2 weeks later - after I have returned the incorrect item i'm still waiting......

Also - what are they inspecting - how much longer do I have to wait :(

andys
03-06-2013, 08:13 PM
'Brain' Quad 20amp speedo arrived today as well as my receiver.

Still waiting on the 'big box' with props and radio gear and last few bits like receiver wires.

But - i've mounted the speedo, wired the motors and made a mount on the side for the receiver and a custom top plate to protect the KK board. All pretty tidy considering the tight space. I wanted the Lipo inside the quad for better balance (hopefully) !

http://www.andrewshillito.com/oople/quadbuild1.jpg

http://www.andrewshillito.com/oople/quadbuild2.jpg

neallewis
03-06-2013, 09:28 PM
Looking a really good build that Andy. Won't be long now, hopefully all here by the weekend, and we'll do some flying at RHR/oooople :thumbsup:

neallewis
03-06-2013, 09:35 PM
Have you seen the inverted quad flying?

Warthox's videos show it:

http://vimeo.com/61127136
http://vimeo.com/62015113
http://vimeo.com/63266042

Also this frame looks good: http://vimeo.com/64457356

That guy can really fly!

Col
03-06-2013, 11:40 PM
Looking good, Andy.

I have no idea whether this applies to your weird fandango esc or not, but it looks like alot of my problems with motors and esc's dying was a feedback loop going through the kk2 board from the esc's. The kk2 gets its power from the bec circuit on esc no1, so this is the only one that needs to have positive and negative wires.
After changing from this:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130519_172609_zps2f926d47.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130519_172609_zps2f926d47.jpg.html)

to this:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/thegreatonereturns/SK450%20quad/20130603_224821_zps5508c603.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/thegreatonereturns/media/SK450%20quad/20130603_224821_zps5508c603.jpg.html)

I've had no problems. 30ish flights in so far, and it's working well. Got some more 3s cells coming very soon, as 8 mins at a time just isn't enough!

Thinking of moving the receiver under the top deck to free up some space. Not sure what I'm going to put into that space, but...

andys
04-06-2013, 04:33 PM
Guys - i'm struggling :(

Spent all day assembling my Quad - and no matter what I try it flips on takeoff :(

I think i've set the KK up properly as it looks correct in the receiver test and motors are spinning as per the x layout etc - but I need help :(

Pretty miffed I can't resolve it.

Danny Harrison
04-06-2013, 05:30 PM
Guys - i'm struggling :(

Spent all day assembling my Quad - and no matter what I try it flips on takeoff :(

I think i've set the KK up properly as it looks correct in the receiver test and motors are spinning as per the x layout etc - but I need help :(

Pretty miffed I can't resolve it.

This may be a dumb suggestion, but could the kk board be upside down and trying to right itself?

neallewis
04-06-2013, 06:02 PM
Andy are your props set to the correct rotation for the motors rotations?

andys
04-06-2013, 06:07 PM
Sorted it :)

Had a Eureka moment - its the QBrain 4 in one ESC - needed re wiring as out of the box it's not correctly wired for the KK - swooped some cables around and - it flies :)

Scary though - slipped on the throttle stick in my tiny garden and it nearly shot over the house :)

Danny Harrison
04-06-2013, 06:08 PM
I thought it might be a fast little thing that. Would like to see it go at RHR this weekend. Guessing you'll be taking it?

andys
04-06-2013, 06:33 PM
I thought it might be a fast little thing that. Would like to see it go at RHR this weekend. Guessing you'll be taking it?

Indeed mate ill havevit this weekend at RHR. hopefully heading to the park to give it a proper go this evening - but from 'blipping' it in the garden - I think it should be quick. Seems super responsive too - could do with taming down I think.

At least now it flies I can 'tune' it - more Kk YouTube videos need watching.

Col
04-06-2013, 07:24 PM
My tuning is exactly the opposite of all the "guides" out there!
KK says to start tuning with a P gain of 30, I gain at 0 and go up in increments of 5. Mines oscillated massively at 30 and spend ages trying to get a setting that worked - and failed. In the end I went down from 30 (to 17) and left I at 0, and that works perfectly for me!
All current advise is to tune PI with self level off. Increasing gain in the self level settings does not make any difference to "acro" PI, it just controls how sharply the self level "self levels", and how quickly you can control it. Mine was left stock, but have since increased it by 10 to improve response.

andys
04-06-2013, 08:12 PM
Flew it in the park :)

Almost 20 mins on pack 1 - 18mins on pack 2

It's awesome :)

Feels very, very nimble - decreased stick scaling to tame it a bit.

Left everything else stock setting - don't really understand the auto level - what / how does it work Col ?

All in all, very happy - ideal 1st Quad I reckon.
Hovers at 50% throttle and has enough punch to get a real shift on if needed.

I think the small motors / small frame combo have finally paid off !

Col
04-06-2013, 08:22 PM
Flew it in the park :)

Almost 20 mins on pack 1 - 18mins on pack 2


Blolody hell! What cells are they? I'm lucky to get 10min hovering or 6 mins aggressive flying out of my 2450 3cell

I'll get into self level when I've more time, but if you can fly without it don't worry too much

andys
04-06-2013, 08:54 PM
Col.

Cells are 2650 Turnigy Nano Tech's.

I was taking it very steady though / gentle flying to get a feel for it.

Quad weighs around 800g.

I need to fettle it as currently the slightest movement on the sticks and it reacts. If I give it full beans / stick in one direction it leans far too much for my liking!

Really pleased with myself that I've got it flying :)
It seems super stable, only time it oscillates a bit is when I let it drop from high and then nail it before it hits the ground, apart from that it seems rock steady.

neallewis
04-06-2013, 10:10 PM
Brilliant Andy, glad you got it sorted and flying! Can't wait to see it fly Sunday. Sounds like its going to be quicker than mine. I'll have to upgrade my props and go 4S ;-)

andys
05-06-2013, 09:19 AM
Brilliant Andy, glad you got it sorted and flying! Can't wait to see it fly Sunday. Sounds like its going to be quicker than mine. I'll have to upgrade my props and go 4S ;-)

LOL - Don't think it will be quicker than yours Neal as you have a similar spec but bigger motors. It's quick enough for me though to learn and so much better than the V949 !!

I need to suss this self levelling and PI Gain stuff - self level looks like it could stop me hitting the ground. Going to set it up on an Aux switch today.

Also height dampening on the board to stop it flying at the ground when I yaw it.
Need more lipos now !!

Col
05-06-2013, 01:48 PM
This vid explains self leveling very well, but basically without self level you move the ail stick forward and the quad moves forward, you move the stick back to neutral and the quad continues forward at exactly the same pace and will only stop with the exact amount of correction on read ail

Hr8DNUrb-og

andys
05-06-2013, 04:04 PM
Cheers Col

Set it all up today on a switch.
Self level is ace - so much easier to fly. As you say you are not constantly correcting it :)

Flying it with it off is a handful in comparison.

andys
06-06-2013, 11:52 AM
Piccy of my little Quad.

HobbyKing UK have the F450 frames back in stock. Ordered a couple to ultimately build something a bit bigger to carry a camera once I master this little fella.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15062770/littlequad.jpg

andys
07-06-2013, 11:31 AM
Col / Neal.

Trying to decide on motor for the 450 frame - any recommendations ?

I want something lowish (1000KV) I believe as they have more torque, I think !
Also what power should they have? The little ones on my 330 are only 1225 KV and 95W, some motors are 200W and 300W !

Also - I want something that runs smooth (balanced) as i'll be putting a camera on this one so didn't want to go with the cheap HobbyKing ones - unless they are good !

neallewis
07-06-2013, 12:31 PM
Piccy of my little Quad.

HobbyKing UK have the F450 frames back in stock. Ordered a couple to ultimately build something a bit bigger to carry a camera once I master this little fella.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15062770/littlequad.jpg

Looks great! can't wait to see it fly this weekend.

My new Graupner 10x5 props have arrived. Should get a bit more speed out of it now.

neallewis
07-06-2013, 12:41 PM
Col / Neal.

Trying to decide on motor for the 450 frame - any recommendations ?

I want something lowish (1000KV) I believe as they have more torque, I think !
Also what power should they have? The little ones on my 330 are only 1225 KV and 95W, some motors are 200W and 300W !

Also - I want something that runs smooth (balanced) as i'll be putting a camera on this one so didn't want to go with the cheap HobbyKing ones - unless they are good !

The NTM motors are meant to be good.

These:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25080__NTM_Prop_Drive_28_30S_800KV_300W_Brushles s_Motor_short_shaft_version_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25081__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_30S_900kv_270w_s hort_shaft_version_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25082__NTM_Prop_Drive_28_26_1000KV_315W_short_sh aft_version_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25083__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_26_1100kv_300w_s hort_shaft_version_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25084__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_26A_1200kv_250w_ short_shaft_version_.html

plus you need these:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16719__NTM_Prop_Drive_28_Series_Accessory_Pack.h tml

The 1200's seem to be in stock in Uk warehouse.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__36843__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_26A_1200kv_250w_ short_shaft_version_UK_Warehouse_.html

andys
11-06-2013, 12:31 PM
Flown my Quad a few more time and loving it :)

Starting to be able to fly figure of 8's and such like - still not crashed it or broke anything yet...

Anyone reading this that's thinking of getting one - i'm happy to send over / post any info re what I bought. All things considered I think I found a great balance between power / performance and flight time. I'm getting around 15mins now i'm flying it better. No way I can fly it at full chat - i'd need a HUGE space as it really can cover ground. Ordered some more lipos - 2 isn't enough :)

I'm slowly dialling in more responsiveness as I get to grips with it - the KK2 is a great bit of kit for the money and is really 'tuneable'.

All things considered - it's ace.

thorny97
11-06-2013, 01:52 PM
Go on then andy put your list of parts up, being following this post for some time, really interested as had no luck with helicopters

neallewis
11-06-2013, 02:43 PM
Video of Shilly's quad flying at the RHR Pea field:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk7gskGqeTw

wk7gskGqeTw

jimmy
11-06-2013, 02:47 PM
Piccy of my little Quad.

HobbyKing UK have the F450 frames back in stock. Ordered a couple to ultimately build something a bit bigger to carry a camera once I master this little fella.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15062770/littlequad.jpg

Go big or go home!

http://www.oople.com/downloads/chopper.png

andys
11-06-2013, 05:43 PM
Jimmy.

That's a very impressive prop - but you'll need a few more bits than that to get it in the sky buddy :)

Can't wait to see it when it's done. Can I have a ride on it first?

Re my 'diddy' Quad - this is what I ended up with :

From the UK Warehouse:
F330 Glass Fiber Mini Quadcopter Frame 330mm (UK Warehouse)
Hobbyking KK2.0 Multi-rotor LCD Flight Control Board (UK Warehouse)
Turnigy Aerodrive SK3 - 2822-1275 Brushless Outrunner Motor (UK Warehouse)
Turnigy nano-tech 2650mah 3S 25~50C Lipo Pack (UK Warehouse)
5.6mm x 21mm M3 Nylon Threaded Spacer (10pc) (UK Warehouse)

From the Hong Kong Warehouse:
Turnigy 9X 9Ch Transmitter w/ Module & 8ch Receiver (Mode 2) (v2 Firmware)
10CM Male to Male Servo Lead (JR) 26AWG (10pcs/set)
8045 SF Props 2pc Standard Rotation/2 pc RH Rotation (Black)
8045 SF Props 2pc Standard Rotation/2 pc RH Rotation (Red)
On-Board Lipoly Low Voltage Alarm 2s~3s
HXT 4MM to Banana Plug Charge Lead Adapter
HXT 4mm Connector to T-plug conversion charge lead
Q Brain 4 x 20A Brushless Quadcopter ESC 2-4S 3A SBEC


I bought an extra 330 frame and used the top plate so make a kind of cage for my KK2 board. I thought the motors may be underpowered as they are the smallest - lowest powered ones in the SK3 range (95w) but for the little 330 frame they seem perfect.

The Q Brain was a winner - required a bit of re-wiring, but means I don't have speed controllers hanging from each arm which keeps it tidy.

All in all it's great. Approx 15mins flight time on the 2650 lipo. Not sure if it would be much quicker / run longer with a less capacity / lighter battery. It seems great so i've ordered 2 of the same battery but with higher C rating - so hopefully i'll get a bit more acceleration!

A couple of points - the KK board - I updated the firmware to 1.5 before even building the Quad (thanks to Col for posting me the info / cable thing). I believe the auto level on 1.5 firmware is much better than previous firmwares. Personally I think the auto level works beautifully, so deffo update your KK2 to 1.5 :)

Also - Turnigy 9x has I believe no proper failsafe. On my set if the quad goes out of range or I turn of the TX the motors stop, so the quad would fall out of the sky. I believe with the FrSKy module / RX you can set it properly, so say quarter throttle so it doesn't fall like a brick! I may upgrade to this soon - but apart from that the Turnigy is great value.

Lastly a big thankyou to Neal Lewis - who answered my many, many questions and gave me lots of help :)

Hope this helps anyone else looking into this minefield!

Next up - i'm building a 450 quad for a go pro :)

Col
11-06-2013, 07:09 PM
Little list of my own...

First order:
Hobbyking SK450 Glass Fiber Quadcopter Frame 450mm
Hobbyking KK2.0 Multi-rotor LCD Flight Control Board
10x4.5 SF Props 2pc Standard Rotation/2 pc RH Rotation (Red)
10x4.5 SF Props 2pc Standard Rotation/2 pc RH Rotation (Green)
D2830-11 1000kv Brushless Motor x4
Turnigy TY-P1 25Amp HEXFET Brushless Speed Controller x4
Turnigy TY-P1 25Amp Brushless ESC Programming Card
Turnigy 9X 9Ch Transmitter without Module (Mode 2) (v2 Firmware)
FrSky DF 2.4Ghz Combo Pack for JR w/ Module & RX
5.6mm x 21mm M3 Nylon Threaded Spacer (10pc)
M3X10 Nylon Screws (10pcs/bag)
M3 Nylon Nut (10pcs/bag)
PolyMax 3.5mm Gold Connectors 10 PAIRS (20PC)
Hobbyking SK450 Replacement Arm Set - Red (2pcs/bag)
10CM Male to Male Servo Lead (JR) 26AWG (10pcs/set)
Turnigy 2450mAh 3S 30C Lipo Pack
XT60 Male w/ 12AWG Silicon Wire 10cm (5pcs/bag)
Hobby King Quadcopter Power Distribution Board
Turnigy 4mm Heat Shrink Tube - RED (1mtr)
Extra Size Cardboard Box and Packing 183g

Second order:
Atmel Atmega Socket Firmware Flashing Tool
USBasp AVR Programming Device for ATMEL proccessors

Third order:
D2830-11 1000kv Brushless Motor x3
Battery Velcro Strap (2pcs/bag)

Forth order:
Turnigy TY-P1 25Amp HEXFET Brushless Speed Controller x4
(blew a coupe - problem now solved)

Fifth order:
Turnigy 3000mAh 3S 40C Lipo Pack (UK Warehouse) x2
(now it fly's, I need to fly more!)

Sixth order:
HXT 4mm to XT-60 Battery Adapter (2pcs/bag) (UK Warehouse)
(to make fifth order battery's fit)

Seventh order:
10x4.5 SF Props 2pc Standard Rotation/2 pc RH Rotation (Red)
10x4.5 SF Props 2pc Standard Rotation/2 pc RH Rotation (Green)
(current ones are a bit battered - you wouldn't believe the damage caused by flying through flys!)

Eighth order:
Turnigy Battery Strap 330mm
Hobbyking KK2.0 Multi-rotor LCD Flight Control Board

So far, that's the lot.
I've oredered a spare KK2 for one reason - they no longer make the single axis giro that the board uses. One way or another this means the end of the KK2. Rumour has is a KK3 is on the way

andys
11-06-2013, 07:30 PM
Heyup Col :)

I'm on order No.8 too !
It's one of those games where you always order something wrong / forget something - or realise when it's too late you need something else. My little list is far from what i've bought, but it is the parts that are in the Quad - and if I knew then, what I know know, it's the only parts I would have bought :) (apart from the extra lipos)

In light of the 'mishap' over the weekend, i've butchered my 949 quad and taken off the red led's and created what i'm calling - 'The Neal Lewis Orientation System'

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15062770/quadlights.jpg

Works really well - just flown the quad in the park with the light starting to go and it really helps. One set of led's on top of the red 'tongue' and one set under it too.

Col
11-06-2013, 08:39 PM
ooooh... didn't think of that! I've got 2 949's.
How did you wire them up?

edit: I see tape on your props. Do you use a proper magnetic balancer, or a rolling pin? I've not bothered with mine as yet, but am thinking it can't possibly do any harm

andys
11-06-2013, 09:10 PM
ooooh... didn't think of that! I've got 2 949's.
How did you wire them up?

edit: I see tape on your props. Do you use a proper magnetic balancer, or a rolling pin? I've not bothered with mine as yet, but am thinking it can't possibly do any harm


Hi Col.

I just cut the small plugs from the led strips from the 949 and then soldered the 2 red sets to a receiver wire/plug and run it from the receiver. The 949 lipos are I think 3.7 (or3.4v) so the led's are running on 5V - seems to work just fine :)

The cheap HobbyKing props are well out of balance without the tape.

All I did was use the smallest adapter ring (the one with the tiny hole) and put a small drill bit through so it's nice and snug when on the prop, then I rested the prop - with the drill bit through the middle on the jaws of my metal vice. It falls very freely to the heavy side. The props are real bad without the tape. Put one on the vice and one side drops like a brick !

Just used normal clear tape to get them so they settle in the middle :) Saves buying a fancy balancer. To be fair the motors are not very well balanced as you can feel the vibrations in the arms with the props off. Hence me wanting better motors for the 450. Currently looking at SunnySky - or the 'T' motors.

Col
11-06-2013, 09:24 PM
All I did was use the smallest adapter ring (the one with the tiny hole) and put a small drill bit through so it's nice and snug when on the prop, then I rested the prop - with the drill bit through the middle on the jaws of my metal vice. It falls very freely to the heavy side. The props are real bad without the tape. Put one on the vice and one side drops like a brick !

Just used normal clear tape to get them so they settle in the middle :) Saves buying a fancy balancer. To be fair the motors are not very well balanced as you can feel the vibrations in the arms with the props off. Hence me wanting better motors for the 450. Currently looking at SunnySky - or the 'T' motors.


Good idea. Think I'll get my work bench level and give it a go

neallewis
11-06-2013, 09:51 PM
Heyup Col :)

I'm on order No.8 too !
It's one of those games where you always order something wrong / forget something - or realise when it's too late you need something else. My little list is far from what i've bought, but it is the parts that are in the Quad - and if I knew then, what I know know, it's the only parts I would have bought :) (apart from the extra lipos)

In light of the 'mishap' over the weekend, i've butchered my 949 quad and taken off the red led's and created what i'm calling - 'The Neal Lewis Orientation System'

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15062770/quadlights.jpg

Works really well - just flown the quad in the park with the light starting to go and it really helps. One set of led's on top of the red 'tongue' and one set under it too.

Fantastic Andy! just what I need!

I mailed you the LED system I've got on order?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230842690648

neallewis
11-06-2013, 09:54 PM
I've got this balancer: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__20982__CNC_Alloy_Prop_Balancer_for_Propeller_EDF _Heli_Shaft_Blade.html

If you want to use it, let me know and i'll make sure I have it with me.

Col
11-06-2013, 10:50 PM
I've got this balancer: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__20982__CNC_Alloy_Prop_Balancer_for_Propeller_EDF _Heli_Shaft_Blade.html

If you want to use it, let me know and i'll make sure I have it with me.

York on the 22nd?:thumbsup:

neallewis
11-06-2013, 11:11 PM
York on the 22nd?:thumbsup:

Yup, will try to be there.

Col
11-06-2013, 11:25 PM
Cool. With a mild amount of skill the carpark is a great place to open them up a bit!

andys
12-06-2013, 09:31 AM
Cool. With a mild amount of skill the carpark is a great place to open them up a bit!

No way i'd fly over concrete yet!
I like lots of grass - preferably nice and long. I've not crashed it properly yet but I have brought it down at speed and it skidded and tipped over. No problem on grass but would maybe have upset it on anything harder.

Also - I now have this great iphone app - iSeismometer - https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/iseismometer/id304190739?mt=8

Looks like it will be really useful for seeing the results / before / after of balancing motors and props :)

Neal - this is interesting comparing the DJI with Sunnysky motors - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7xceZSym9A

neallewis
12-06-2013, 10:01 AM
No way i'd fly over concrete yet!
I like lots of grass - preferably nice and long. I've not crashed it properly yet but I have brought it down at speed and it skidded and tipped over. No problem on grass but would maybe have upset it on anything harder.

Also - I now have this great iphone app - iSeismometer - https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/iseismometer/id304190739?mt=8

Looks like it will be really useful for seeing the results / before / after of balancing motors and props :)

Neal - this is interesting comparing the DJI with Sunnysky motors - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7xceZSym9A

I broke my first arm, first time out over grass, albeit short grass.


I've also got something similar to that program on my android. not used it yet for prop balancing, but did try it on my motors. you need to do each one individually. Mine didn't appear to be out as much as the one shown in that example/comparison.

I'm sure there are examples of all motor makes that are perfectly balanced or unbalanced. I guess you need to test lots to find an average, which would say if one brand was better at making/QC for shipping balanced stock.

Where can you buy sunnysky motors from?

Seen these: http://team-blacksheep.com/products/prod:900kv_30aesc

neallewis
12-06-2013, 10:15 AM
Andy, have you seen the Team Black Sheep videos?

https://www.youtube.com/user/nastycop420/videos

andys
12-06-2013, 11:01 AM
Andy, have you seen the Team Black Sheep videos?

https://www.youtube.com/user/nastycop420/videos

Awesome videos :)

Yes - i've looked a few times at the black sheep stuff. It's not cheap though:(
Also - the motors look a bit like the Sunny Sky / T Motor units?
These - http://quadcopters.co.uk/t-motor-ms2212-13-980kv-motor-----dji-f450-upgrade-motor-634-p.asp

Think I may get a 'spider' frame when I build my next one. No rush though - i'm taking my time as I want it to be right and not end up with loads of orders and left over parts!

Whatever I do the 2x 450 frames / arms will be used in some way :)

neallewis
12-06-2013, 11:33 AM
Awesome videos :)

Yes - i've looked a few times at the black sheep stuff. It's not cheap though:(
Also - the motors look a bit like the Sunny Sky / T Motor units?
These - http://quadcopters.co.uk/t-motor-ms2212-13-980kv-motor-----dji-f450-upgrade-motor-634-p.asp

Think I may get a 'spider' frame when I build my next one. No rush though - i'm taking my time as I want it to be right and not end up with loads of orders and left over parts!

Whatever I do the 2x 450 frames / arms will be used in some way :)

Yes I thought the sunnysky motors looked a bit like the TBS ones.

I fancy this upgrade: http://quadcopters.co.uk/tbs-discovery-team-black-sheep-top-and-bottom-plate-465-p.asp

Again it won't get me flying any better now, and I'm not yet buying up my FPV gear... so I don't need it right now.

Col
12-06-2013, 12:55 PM
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25884__Dead_Cat_Conversion_Kit_for_SK450_Quadcop ter_Frame.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/25884-1(1).jpg

Not sure if your arms will fit, but mine do:thumbsup:

andys
12-06-2013, 01:20 PM
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25884__Dead_Cat_Conversion_Kit_for_SK450_Quadcop ter_Frame.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/25884-1(1).jpg

Not sure if your arms will fit, but mine do:thumbsup:

Hi Col.

That looks more in my price range :) Dead Cat though - crazy name - prefer TBS Discovery - sounds impressive:) Also the integrated wiring on the TBS frame looks cool.

Think i'll go TBS with the 450 arms I have from the HobbyKing frames. I really like the simplicity of the GoPro mount on the TBS - rubber band :)

Still - as I said no rush - lots of stuff at HobbyKing is out of stock anyway.

Flying - went to the park again armed with the patented 'Neal Lewis Orientation System' - I can now fly figures of 8 :) Park is pretty open and big - but no way I can get on full throttle unless I only go straight up. That Warthox guy must be a robot.
Awesome.

Col
12-06-2013, 01:23 PM
The only item I would 100% change would be my power distribution board to this:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25488__Hobbyking_SK450_Lower_PCB_Main_Frame.html ?strSearch=sk450
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/25488.jpg

Much neater than mine now my soldering skills are better...
Might add one to my next order

neallewis
12-06-2013, 01:42 PM
That looks more in my price range :) Dead Cat though - crazy name - prefer TBS Discovery - sounds impressive:) Also the integrated wiring on the TBS frame looks cool.

Think i'll go TBS with the 450 arms I have from the HobbyKing frames. I really like the simplicity of the GoPro mount on the TBS - rubber band :)

Still - as I said no rush - lots of stuff at HobbyKing is out of stock anyway.

Flying - went to the park again armed with the patented 'Neal Lewis Orientation System' - I can now fly figures of 8 :) Park is pretty open and big - but no way I can get on full throttle unless I only go straight up. That Warthox guy must be a robot.
Awesome.

Google "orvillecopter"...

That HK dead cat frame isn't compatible with the F450 arms.
I do like the TBS discovery integrated wiring and layout though too.

I need to go flying again. maybe later after I've done some work.

andys
12-06-2013, 02:09 PM
Neal

Is the TBS frame ok with the F450 arms?
I thought the arms / frame I've bought is the same as the DJI.
How is the dead cat frame different?

Windy today in Leeds :(

neallewis
12-06-2013, 02:24 PM
Neal

Is the TBS frame ok with the F450 arms?
I thought the arms / frame I've bought is the same as the DJI.
How is the dead cat frame different?

Windy today in Leeds :(


Yes, TBS is designed for DJI F450 arms. Your Q450 frame is a clone of the F450, I suspect from the same Chinese moulds/factory.



The HK deadcat frame is based on the SK450 arms:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25568__Hobbyking_SK450_Replacement_Arm_Set_Red_2 pcs_bag_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/25568.jpg

SK450 attachment:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/24291-sub2.jpg

The attachment to the frame has holes in different places to the F450/Q450 arms:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/24173-3.jpg

andys
12-06-2013, 08:45 PM
Flew in the park this evening. Really starting to get to grips with it.

Only 11mins on a battery this time - obviously I'm giving it more throttle.

Not sure if lighter- lower capacity lipos would be better than heavier high capacity ones?

JCJC
12-06-2013, 09:48 PM
Slightly off topic but this is an amusing video http://goo.gl/DnpgU

a Ted talk with some nice tricks

Col
12-06-2013, 10:17 PM
This uni does some similar things
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDmel/videos

The military applications for these things is scary

Danny Harrison
12-06-2013, 10:38 PM
This uni does some similar things
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDmel/videos

The military applications for these things is scary

If you like them, check this out! This is quite old too and what they 'let' you see. Imagine what they can do that they dont let us see :drool:

YQIMGV5vtd4

neallewis
12-06-2013, 11:10 PM
I'm off to this end of July: https://ohm2013.org/site/program/
I first saw and played with quads at the last event 4 years ago.
This time, quite a few talks on quads and drones, and i expect to meet and talk to a few of the quad hackers also. Hopefully will gain some better insight to FPV flying.


That TED talk is like a magic show!

Col
13-06-2013, 07:02 PM
From t'other thread...
Nice one Jimmy :)Also - the KK boards now have a lost model alarm in the new firmware - that would have been handy last weekend.

Assuming you put on the same firmware as me, then you already have one - leave it armed and it will beep every second (for 30 seconds) and then disarm. You can then re-arm it and it'll beep again.

The KK2 is a dying board. I think I mentioned earlier that the giro's haven't been made since Aug 2012 and no suitable replacement has been found. Hobbyking always show out of stock, but they actually aren't. If you need one, order it from the international warehouse and they'll take a week do realise they have some and then send it on - I placed order no9 a week ago and it was dispatched today.

Col
24-06-2013, 01:54 PM
From the accidents thread...

I've not had chance to look at mine after the rainflip at the end of last night, but I'm hoping it was just a bit of water on the board. I feel a trip to Morrisons to buy a snap-on tupaware bowl is in order

test flew in the garden briefly today and all was well. In fact, all was better than well, all was great! As you (Neal) saw it was pretty good anyway, but with correctly balanced props it was nothing short of awesome! 90% of "WOD" (wobble of death) on vertical descent was gone, and much more stable whilst yawing with no right stick input. Think I'll be buying one of those balancers, even though my shilly balance method was fairly accurate.

neallewis
24-06-2013, 04:00 PM
Nice one Col. Balancer was of course from hobbyking, about $15 from memory.
mine is now rebuilt, but not flown as yet. I've set the gain adjustments to the knobs on my transmitter, so hopefully I can tune it to be a bit more lively in GPS mode. I was just running the stock dji recommend gains, which are safe. I want to leave full manual mode alone for now after sat.

Do you run any exponential on your sticks?

andys
24-06-2013, 05:40 PM
Mine is now broke - just one arm.

Tree 1 - Quad 0

Flew at a big tree - too fast and panicked as I didn't want it to get stuck in the tree, so I let the throttle go. Quad went into the tree - then down. One broken arm :(

When you guys balance the props - do you put tape on top or below? I've tried so many mounts for the keychain camera and the jello won't go away :(

Col
24-06-2013, 07:42 PM
My 1 balanced set have the tape underneath, but next time I think I'll try removing from the heavy side rather than adding to the light side

Col
24-06-2013, 07:44 PM
Do you run any exponential on your sticks?

All settings on my 9x are stock, with stick scaling at 40 on the kk2 (I believe this means 40% of maximum transmitted signal is transferred into movement)

neallewis
25-06-2013, 01:25 AM
Nice one Col. Balancer was of course from hobbyking, about $15 from memory.


this: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__20982__CNC_Alloy_Prop_Balancer_for_Propeller_EDF _Heli_Shaft_Blade.html

Colinevan
29-06-2013, 05:32 AM
Just a quick update from me as iv not given up yet. A slight side track off funds saw me buying a new leather interior for my car as well as a new backup slr (nikon d300). I had to get something tbough and so ordered a v911 chopper and the v959 quad with camera.

A quick update and my v911 is dead allready after less than an hour. Motor issues and not enough rpm to get airborne and servo glitching . Hopefully bang good will be good to assist.

As for the v959 iv only had it hovering in the living room but already its ace. I can see this getting used a lot as its very stable and gives you an idea on how to fly.

The camera quality is good although for some reason big files dont playback on the pc. Im goi g to try a different memory card to see if this helps. Ill put some vids up when I get chance.

Ps has anyone got experience on returning or replacement s from bang good?

neallewis
29-06-2013, 11:10 PM
J

The camera quality is good although for some reason big files dont playback on the pc. Im goi g to try a different memory card to see if this helps. Ill put some vids up when I get chance.

Ps has anyone got experience on returning or replacement s from bang good?

Interested to see the results frm the v959 camera on youtube...

I'd not bother trying to return it, find out what part has failed on the v911 and order the replacement. will be cheaper than posting it back to china. in fact you can buy a whole bind-and-fly version without the TX for not much money, whole new chopper, and work out which parts you need to get the first one working.

Colinevan
05-07-2013, 12:24 AM
Interested to see the results frm the v959 camera on youtube...

I'd not bother trying to return it, find out what part has failed on the v911 and order the replacement. will be cheaper than posting it back to china. in fact you can buy a whole bind-and-fly version without the TX for not much money, whole new chopper, and work out which parts you need to get the first one working.
To be honest it seems really good in good light. However iv noticed after 2 minutes the video becomes choppy and laggy and skips frames. I thought id filmed a really good crash whereby the quad ended up high in next doors tree stuck with birds pecking it. Finally retrieved it and it wasn't viewable after 2 mins. I believe a faster write speed on a memory card is what i need as it actually comes with a cheapo 2 gb card. What I will say is that im very impressed with it. Its been quite windy over here so iv not had chance to run it in a park etc. But on small runs indoors and low heights in the garden its been very stable. The only thing im struggling with is getting used to spinning it around as I lose altitude and make mistakes then. Its just me getting used to the controller and actually getting some proper air time that I need.

On a side note bang good are not that good over email so iv bitten the bullet and just ordered a new v911.1 . I went for this model as it comes with an upgraded radio that looks more professional and meaty ha ha. Spare motor cost me a whopping 2 so ill fix that when I probably break the new v911 ha ha.

I'll post vids on youtube when I can watch this space.

Col.

andys
08-07-2013, 08:56 PM
Finally plumped up the courage to 'flip' my 330 :)

Turned stick scaling up to 95 (I normally fly on around 40) and it 'almost' flipped, it almost went sideways into the earth too, so I went to 125 and it made the full rotation :)

Very hard to fly though with stick scaling high, even with expo set low on the tranny.

Well - i've got it out of my system now, over rated if you ask me. Also - no breakages - phew.

neallewis
08-07-2013, 09:41 PM
Andy, did you get it on video?

I'm hoping my TBS discovery frame turns up tomorrow...

andys
09-07-2013, 09:41 AM
Andy, did you get it on video?

I'm hoping my TBS discovery frame turns up tomorrow...


Hi Neal.

I had the keychain camera on it - but as you can imagine, the world just spins around :)
Where did you order the TBS From? Tempted.....

neallewis
09-07-2013, 10:16 AM
Hi Neal.

I had the keychain camera on it - but as you can imagine, the world just spins around :)
Where did you order the TBS From? Tempted.....

http://quadcopters.co.uk//tbs-discovery-team-black-sheep-top-and-bottom-plate-465-p.asp

Ordered at the weekend, is just arrived this morning. it looks great. Took a photo with my phone, but the lens is scratched, so the picture is junk. I'll go find my canon G12.

I've just got the frame top and bottom plates so far that make up the discovery frame, will get the FPV stuff in time. Still unsure about which video RX/TX to use, or if i need to go to UHF for control RX/TX? also need to get fatsharks, so this will keep me going for now, as i can mount my gopro on it for better flight films.

andys
09-07-2013, 11:32 AM
Neal - looks like you got the last one - it's now out of stock :(

neallewis
09-07-2013, 11:42 AM
Neal - looks like you got the last one - it's now out of stock :(

Bummer. It wasn't when i posted the link.

This place also has them in: http://www.firstpersonview.co.uk/aircraft/team-black-sheep-discovery-frame
Not used them though, but they are listed as a TBS UK stockist on the TBS site.

"working from home" is a bummer when new toys arrive, and you have to work. its sat next to me on my desk and i want get building it. must resist....

Col
09-07-2013, 01:52 PM
Finally plumped up the courage to 'flip' my 330 :)

Turned stick scaling up to 95 (I normally fly on around 40) and it 'almost' flipped, it almost went sideways into the earth too, so I went to 125 and it made the full rotation :)

Very hard to fly though with stick scaling high, even with expo set low on the tranny.

Well - i've got it out of my system now, over rated if you ask me. Also - no breakages - phew.

Presumably they wont flip with self level on?

andys
09-07-2013, 03:46 PM
Neal - I know that feeling :)

Col - it will flip with self level on - I wouldn't try it without as it levels itself after the flip :)

It more rolls than flips with stick scaling at 125. I took it up high ish and just yawed it to the side and it fell / flipped and levelled. I reckon if I'd gassed it and yawed it, it would flip without falling as much. Give it a try :)

Col
09-07-2013, 04:30 PM
Give it a try :)

That's a thing that annoys me about... me!
I bought a load of spare arms and other stuff in case of crashes and things, but haven't had a single decent one yet! Perhaps I'm not pushing myself hard enough - there's no way I'm gonna try that at the moment

neallewis
09-07-2013, 04:59 PM
That's a thing that annoys me about... me!
I bought a load of spare arms and other stuff in case of crashes and things, but haven't had a single decent one yet! Perhaps I'm not pushing myself hard enough - there's no way I'm gonna try that at the moment

You're not trying hard enough Col! ;-)

andys
09-07-2013, 10:16 PM
Flew my 330 again tonight at the park - i'm really getting into flying it super low and at speed, really good fun skimming the grass. I did make one mistake and the quad caught the ground and rolled on it's side - like a bin lid rolling, it span along for ages as I was tenting it when it caught the ground. No damage at all :) I was flying over quite soft / longish grass though :)

I'm uploading a vid of one of my quick blasts around the park. Really loving how agile this thing is - can't wait to get the motors / esc's for the 450 - although I may make a U-Turn and get the TBS frame. Still can't decide on the Naza. I love the way the KK2 flys and it's very easy to adjust it in the field, I need convincing the Naza will feel as good. Neal - I need to fly yours I think :)

Col
09-07-2013, 10:26 PM
Naza for stability,
KK2 for maneuverability.

Andy, have your sunnysky motors turned up yet?