Serpent to close?

[tjpMT2]

http://www.neobuggy.net/images/News/serpentclosed.jpg

We have received unconfirmed reports that Dutch manufacturer Serpent MRC as of the 1st of August 2008 may close. Sources say a letter has been sent out to shops saying distribution would cease and team drivers would have to look elsewhere. Rumours of Serpent experiencing financial difficulties surfaced a couple of weeks back, and appears to be the most likely cause for a closure. More info as soon as we get it.

From Neo-Buggy.net...

[jimmy]

I hope - for the sake of my wallet - that this is not true. Of course, I heard it a while back but thought it wasn't at this stage.

[nitrokillah]

Noooo0000000000 00

What about My s500

no no no no no...

they should have consentrated on the the s500. I'm sure they wouldn't be faceing any finaticial difficulties if they had gone ahead with it. seen nuff peole drullin' over that car.

If this is true. It a very sad day for rc.:cry::cry::cry:

[jimmy]

Hopefully it's just a nightmare and Serpent will issue a statement saying it's not true - I very much hope. the S500 is possibly the best looking RC ever - if it never appears it will be a desperate shame. But lets wait until Serpent confirm something themselves.

[DCM]

why was serpent at the recent Euros then?? or is this a case of 2+2=7 and lets all panic?

[ben]

oh dear. What a great shame it would be if they shut down:o

[Scouser]

This is really shocking! Weren't they about to release a 1/12th scale aswell? The nitro tarmac stuff they do is pretty much the best in the world and the electric touring car appeared to be a success too! If they are in financial difficulty, hopefully one of the big names can come in and incorporate/buy out or at least throw them a lifeline of some sort.

[nitrokillah]

Update: We have received further information that a largescale relocation of the company to Asia is in the works as well as a complete re-branding, the Holland HQ will close.

source from neo-buggy

I smell a plastic chassis in the works.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

That's terrible news.:thumbdown:
Hopefully some other company can buy them out and finish the cars that
they couldnt produce. That s500 looks like a sweet buggy.

[l-u-k-e]

http://www.redrc.net/2008/08/serpent-moving-production-to-asia/


Good news I think!!!!

[CLARKSON]

I heard Lee had bought it as a passtime :o

[super__dan]

Like the kid that Russian kid and TVR?

[jimmy]

Are you drunk Dan?

[Lee]

hmmm, i can confirm its not me :cry: although it would be nice.


And yes i do believe dan has been on the pear cider early doors :thumbsup:

[DCM]

he means the bloke who bought TVR for his son.... although with him and Clarkson... they are verging on the Ash and B-Mag posting.

[Chrislong]

he means the bloke who bought TVR for his son.... although with him and Clarkson... they are verging on the Ash and B-Mag posting.

Super__Mag? :lol:

[janus_77]

http://www.redrc.net/2008/08/serpent-moving-production-to-asia/


Good news I think!!!!

Dunno, have you looked at the quality of AE since they moved production :thumbdown:

[mark christopher]

when i was at the factory last month, they looked busy enough, and hads lots going on.
i do know thay have stopped production in the holland factory
s400 was manufactured in asia as are all the recent parts, serpent also own xceed brandand that is going to be done in asia,
can not see the base in holland shutting down, sure it will remain as r&d and head quarters

[mark christopher]

all is ok just read this after making my post

http://www.redrc.net/2008/08/serpent-moving-production-to-asia/

[Body Paint]

Like the kid that Russian kid and TVR?

Made perfect sense to me, in fact I was already thinking exactly the same before I read Dans post :D

I hope that we don't end up with another Chinese cheese wagon when we could have seen a Dutch barnstormer

[HKP]

Made perfect sense to me, in fact I was already thinking exactly the same before I read Dans post :D

I hope that we don't end up with another Chinese cheese wagon when we could have seen a Dutch barnstormer

i dunno.. there is plenty of Dutch cheese... :p

[mark christopher]

to make it clear, they are not going bust, not sellingto anyone else, simply moving production to asia, this has been an ongoing move, and the s400 and curent cars are already made there.

the future is bright the future is orange!!!!!

[vinny20]

Yeah baby yeah orange is better:D

[Lee]

Yeah baby yeah orange is better:D

than......?

[bigred5765]

in my case any other colour,
but i did hear red is faster and cheaper

[l-u-k-e]

LRP say "Blue is Better"

I still think orange is the best!:woot:

[HVAC25000]

Orange is better. At least in escs :D

[Moose]

Neumann was seen with Durango decals intead of serpent decals on the German championships.

[jimmy]

Strange!

[Chris Doughty]

Strange!

or should that be Strenge ??

[jimmy]

lol, NICE! :thumbsup:

[Moose]

the pic
http://www.vita-racing.de/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16238

1/8 -> LRP car , 1/10 4WD durango, 2WD Asso, only wearing durango shirts

[SHY]

I know Serpent quite well from racing 1:8 TR since 1995. I know the founder Pieter Bervoets quite well, and I also visited the factory many years ago.

This rumour about Serpent going bankrupt started already many years ago, so most likely it's not any more valid now than before... of course it's hard to compete against Mugen and Kyosho, with low producton costs. Furthermore many drivers see Serpent as "Microsoft" and kinda hate them for some strange reason... At some point more or less everybody drove a Serpent, but then "rebels" started using PB, Picco, Mugen, Kyosho...

Pieter sold his company to Ronald and Michael. He also founded Virtual RC, which is run by his son. Himself he's retired. A shame really, he really did so much good for RC. And always had so many good points at EFRA AGMs!

As to moving production to Asia, this is something all manufacturers have to do, it's simply a matter of cost. And they can produce exactly the quality you ask them to. Actually rumours had it that they alrady moved it MANY years ago! :D

Btw. I really miss myTSN! That was oOple web #1... and now it's all gone, what a waste! It was really ahead of it's time!

[HVAC25000]

So, if Serpent isn't going bankrupt, where's the S500? :cry:

[SHY]

Since they are reorganizing the distribution I would assume it'll take some time... the S500 probably doesen't have very high priority. And with today's variety of cars it'd better be top notch quality... when they return to the OR scene (they have failed before) I'm sure they want to do it in style! :D

[Moose]

in style without Neumann and Strenge ?
i think the S500 will be released as a durango but i dont know if serpent has the copyright. we will see :yawn:

[HVAC25000]

in style without Neumann and Strenge ?
i think the S500 will be released as a durango but i dont know if serpent has the copyright. we will see :yawn:

You think Serpent will rename it Durango just to trade on the name, or you mean Serpent will start a separate company, Durango, but I assume still mostly ran by Serpent?

[SHY]

What's going on? Is Strenge and Neumann no longer in colloboration with Serpent? I thought they hired Strenge?

Furthermore, what's the status on their coming 1:8 OR car?

I don't think you can talk about "copyright". That's for names, logos etc. I'm sure Dodge owns the name "Durango".

As to patent I don't think there's any patented solutions either. So anyone who wants can copy the chassis and start production tomorrow. 100% legally!

[HVAC25000]

P.S. I believe it's "trademark", not copyright or patent?

[SHY]

I'm no expert, but I believe it's something like this:

Patent = technical invention (physical). Either brand new or new combination of existing patents. Must be applied for in each country

Trademark = protected name

Copyright = more like rights to a book / printed text etc. Typical for publishing houses.

You also can have rights for patterns etc. It's similar to logos. I think software actually is closely related to this.

Anyway, I doubt that even Gerd Strenge has the exclusive rights for the name Durango. And I believe nobody has any patents as to the Durango chassis. So Aero or whoever can go ahead and produce a copy if they like :D

[bigred5765]

durango is a american car so doubt its owed buy anyone other than them

[Moose]

well i thought all "inventions" belong to serpent because Strenge works / worked for serpent. I dont know if it is possible to seperate that easy. this are just my thoughts. i was only talking about the inventions/ patent stuff, not the names sorry.

the 1/8 status is hard to tell as long nobody uses it at the moment

Is Strenge and Neumann no longer in colloboration with Serpent?that's my question :-P . I dont know any other reason why they should switch to the old name (which is used by dodge) without any serpent statement, without any serpent decals, without 1/8 prototype...
it SEEMS whatever they do it is without serpent

[vinny20]

I cant believe what im hearing this is just bad i really liked the serpent kits

[mark christopher]

think you will find its more rumours and speculation, serpent have simply moved production, serpent is still in holland and working, they have just released the 12th car, the s500 will be after xmass

[HVAC25000]

i don't wanna wait til after christmas!!!! :cry:


wait, maybe i do, since i can't afford it right now anyways

[vinny20]

January sales ;)

[mark christopher]

read my post 91!! this was from the factory few month ago
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7967&page=5

[Lee]

January sales ;)

if only, i dont think model shops halve the price of kits after christmas though :cry:

[Moose]

i wonder why you are that sure that Serpent is still working on the car.
The durango team on the 1/8 worlds is running without serpent stuff again ... sorry but i cannot believe that they suddenly decided racing without serpent stuff but keep working for them .... :woot:

[Answer-RC-Pete]

I forgot about the Durango boys at the worlds - presume it is just Nueman running?

[Lee]

agreed, i think there has been some goings on over there.

Maybe they dont like Jorn??:confused:

[Moose]

yes just neumann. billy easton is running ocm (or something like that). durango was always more or less only neumann with strenge. Neumann is a great driver.you couldn t have a better one... we will see :thumbsup:

[Lee]

Are you sure??

Is he world and european champion? :lol:

[Moose]

former EC no WC, but Aigion is or was dominating 1/8 for years without winning any important race :rolleyes:
I only tried to say this two men team works perfect. Joern would never leave durango and he is awesome fast what more is a private engineer looking for.

[Chris Doughty]

someone is at the worlds with a serpent proto

http://www.neobuggy.net/modules/xcgal/displayimage.php?album=140&pos=77&pid=10943

I would asume this is Jorn's because its got an Orion engine in it

[Answer-RC-Pete]

that looks sooooooo far from production.....

[Lee]

It doesnt even have a fuel tank :lol:

[Moose]

@doughty: sure thats the durango car. nothing special with the cars itself .... (they were working on it before they joined serpent)
The question is should we call it serpent proto any longer ? :P

@Lee: yes no fuel tank but great RC box

[Chris Doughty]

@doughty: sure thats the durango car. nothing special with the cars itself .... (they were working on it before they joined serpent)
The question is should we call it serpent proto any longer ? :P

@Lee: yes no fuel tank but great RC box



If I remember right, that perticular configuration appeared at the Euros this year as a serpent, and most of the work for it to make it look like that and not like the durango proto used at the Neo and Proline race was done while they were working at/for serpent, surely they can't leave and take the design that was being worked on FOR serpent???

anyway, who actually know :confused: I certainly don't.

[mark christopher]

my source says serpent are still up, running and working on thier new products

[Chris Doughty]

there is still a serpent sticker on Jorn starter box

http://www.neobuggy.net/modules/xcgal/displayimage.php?album=143&pos=20&pid=11148

[Cruise]

And at the german nationals there was a big "Serpent motorsport" Sticker on Gerd`s Nissan Navara.

Cruise

[Cockerill]

According to NeoBuggy Jorn is running an AE car at the worlds :confused:

Did say AE, now says Durango

[Moose]

thx for all infomation.
but joern is listed with durango on neobuggy!

[Moose]

the 1/8 car is named Durango DNX408 (that doesn t sound much like serpent) ... maybe its just a different name they want to use

[Answer-RC-Pete]

Looks pretty much conformed "Gerd is to continue to develop the car" no mention of serpent here

http://www.buggy-sport.info/include.php?path=content/news.php&contentid=10932

Pete

[bigred5765]

no
http://www.buggy-sport.info/popup.php?img=images/galerie/pics/230_IMG_1004.jpg

[Answer-RC-Pete]

Confusing post on Buggy Sport stating that they will continue to develop the car with no mention of serpent then it states "we may see the car run at the worlds" which has already been and gone!

[jimmy]

What body is that Carl, it's not the same one as in the photos - so is it an older one?
'team durango' definitely doesn't sound like 'team serpent' to my ears.

[Answer-RC-Pete]

Yeah - sounds like things are a changing - at least for the 1/8th project

[Body Paint]

Looks like a J concepts Thunder Tiger S3 shell

[bigred5765]

What body is that Carl, it's not the same one as in the photos - so is it an older one?
'team durango' definitely doesn't sound like 'team serpent' to my ears.

its in the same bunch of piccy's jimbob

http://www.buggy-sport.info/include.php?path=galerie/sub.php&cid=14

[jimmy]

Ah ok, it's not the shell for that car though - that's in the background and different (less stickers) - unless he's got two? that would be outrageous!! haha

[Sebastian]

Well, if the Buggy-Sport.info notice says "Team Durango" and there are no signs of "Team Serpent" on the current car ... ;)

[MattADH]

From what I saw at the Worlds, there was no mention of the Serpent name.

Yes the Durango looks to have gone forward a step although by the looks of it, more parts are from the Losi 8ight...

Billy was running the TQ Racing car - the Supercross 8!

[Chris Doughty]

Billy didn't see that happy with his rig if you watch his interview on rccaraction.com hehe

[Answer-RC-Pete]

He had been raving about it for the club event before the worlds - its astually pretty sweet in some ways the SX8

[Moose]

its in the same bunch of piccy's jimbob
right but some pics are made at the neo-buggy race i guess. so they are pretty old. it s a bit confusing ;)
i wonder what will happen to the s400

[jimmy]

The S400 is out there being raced??? or do you mean what will they develop from there?

The S500 has been shelved as far as I know.

[Moose]

sorry. i was talking about the offroad car the S500. the last car driven by joern neumann was a durango (without the plastic serpent s500 parts) ... the old well known durango. so i am anxious to know what this car will finally look like

[rcrcman]

Serpent will be fine

[Northy]

Serpent will be fine

Good :thumbsup:

[jimmy]

sorry. i was talking about the offroad car the S500. the last car driven by joern neumann was a durango (without the plastic serpent s500 parts) ... the old well known durango. so i am anxious to know what this car will finally look like

as previously said- you'll have a long wait.:thumbdown:

[Lee]

Serpent will be fine


Phew!!!!

Thanks for confirming that, at last i can sleep :thumbsup:

[HVAC25000]

So, the S500 has been scrapped? And a/the Durango is possibly still in the works? or did I misunderstand.

Anyone know why the S500 was scrapped (perhaps because it and the Aero were so similar?)?

:confused:

[Northy]

I don't think the word 'scrapped' was used, it was the word 'shelved'.

This happens in engineering, projects are put on hold when other projects or 'things' become more important to the company.

It's a shame, it looked awesome.

G

[Lee]

It's a shame, it looked awesome.

G

So did the aero :thumbsup:

[Northy]

Get some work done you! :woot:

G

[Lee]

Too tired, ill do a bit after lunch.........or tomorrow :thumbsup:

[HVAC25000]

Well, generally in the world of engineering, "shelved" and "scrapped" are synonymous, in my experience. Things that sit on a shelf become obsolete, or just plain forgotten. I've got a 1/10 pan car that was shelved, now it may as well be scrapped because it's antiquated by that new Calandra car. May of course not be the case with the S500, but the chance is there, if it is shelved for too long. I hope they get it off the shelf asap :thumbsup: I could always use another 4wd (as if I have the money)

[Lee]

Personally i dont think that serpent would have the folowing in off road, they are an unknown, are they prepared to invest and take a chance when times are hard:confused:

Obviously not, but even the durango is an old design now, there is only so far things can go before they have to be re thought and the design changed, maybe serpent have realised this. One thing for sure though, it would have been very sshhhhhmmooooooovvvvveee :lol:

[HVAC25000]

Yeah it does make sense to not take such a big risk. I'd still love it if they'd sell me one of the prototypes though, with a few spares :D

How is the Durango perceived? I don't know much about it, other than a couple old videos I saw and the bits I read here and there when searching. I read lots of talk about it from a while, long while, ago, and it seemed people liked it and were excited about it and thought it was a winner. Is it really such an antiquated design, even though Aero and Serpent copied it?

Practically every car out is an old design anyways except the schuey. Some have a few small innovations, but otherwise seem to be based on designs that came out years, or even decades, ago. Not to say there is anything wrong with any of them (except that cheap chinese one that breaks in half, yet wins races because the company that makes the car pays massive amounts of money to get the best drivers who can baby the car around the track), just nothing that hasn't been seen year after year.

An incredible amount of people act like the B44 is the best thing ever (maybe not over there, but over here they do). It's a crappy copy of a car that was built out of not 1, not 2, but 3 antiquated crappy cars. Well, 1 of those cars wasn't that crappy, but the other 2 sure were, lol.


I guess the S500 didn't do that well at worlds either which would be a set back (although far be it from me to guess whether that was a car or drivers issue since I know neither). Even the Yok placed higher and they specialize in drifters.

I sure love that chassis design though. I'd have bought it just for that. Oh well, I'll be waiting.

[jimmy]

Both the Durangos were in the A at the Worlds - can't really ask for much more than that to be honest. If Tebo were running one who knows what might have happened.

[HVAC25000]

k so maybe that's not the reason...

If they'd just tell us why it was shelved, and what their future plans are, maybe I could finally get some sleep!

[Answer-RC-Pete]

more serpent goss.
http://www.rctech.net/forum/nitro-road/241915-what-going-serpent-us-market.html

[jimmy]

Interesting - well as someone who's owed money by Serpent for design work, does anyone know what I should do next? I've tried to contact Ronald Baar several times to no avail and I've kept silent for now

[mark christopher]

more serpent goss.
http://www.rctech.net/forum/nitro-road/241915-what-going-serpent-us-market.html
thats old and not correct!!

[Answer-RC-Pete]

Interesting all the same though...

[SHY]

Jorn and Gerd were let go by Serpent almost 3 months ago.... they had been employed by Serpent for 3 years and accomplished nothing but spend money, alot of which is still missing with no accounting. Almost bankrupt Serpent they did... In my country they would have no place in RC anymore.... Europe much be very forgiving for ignorance

Is this true???

If Strenge is no longer with Serpent than surely we will never see a S500 in production...

[Answer-RC-Pete]

SHY - I cant find the quote from RCRCman?

[SHY]

I know... I think it was removed... I've been on vacation and I found this quote in the email notification. I guess he removed it after posting it...

[Answer-RC-Pete]

Yep - think its probably a bit letigious...

[SHY]

Agreed! But does Strenge still work for Serpent or not? Somebody surely must know!

And what about Billy Easton?

Wasn't it so that Easton & Strenge should develop their OR cars? Or is Easton "just a driver"?

The S500 being a "production version" of the Durango, I for one cannot see this being produced if Strenge now is out (not saying he is, I do not know)...

[Answer-RC-Pete]

I dont have a clue what is happening.
Easton was not running Serpent at the worlds - rather the TQ Racing SX8 so there is someting happining / has happened there.

Everything is pointing to there being some changes but as to what no one knows, there is a bit of me that thinks quite litteraly NO ONE knows...
I hope all is good for them though but it is all very interesting.

[Lee]

Lets be honest, it looks like its gone down the pan.

Usually when a company re-structures it means they are cutting back or trying to cut costs etc, if they were doing well they would call it expanding ;)

Moving production to asia has proven this to be the case.

It looks like they have laid of the people who do not make money for them, like drivers and designers, im sure if there are cash flow issues they will want to steady the ship before going on new ventures, from what i hear a lot of people dislike serpent as a company in the 1/8 onroad world, i personally dont know the reasons why.

[PaulUpton]

I heard a few weeks ago that serpent was up for sale, basically the name and all the branding/designs are the bits they are selling, as all the manufacturing is done by an outside company!

I am running the S400, and fortunatly im in the position where i have a lot of spares for the car, however ive had several people emailing me asking if i have spares as they cant get them anywhere else!

I think something is happening but wat.........who knows!

Paul

[SHY]

Yeah, there was a link there which clearly stated that they were in fact bankrupt. Can anyone tell more about this? (What date was it)

From serious people who know them well I know they have struggled for many years. It's hard to compete against asian manufactureres (lower costs). Maybe Serpent is a bit behind schedule as to moving their production to Asia...

Still, knowing Michael and Ronald to be serious people I'm sure they will manage to stay afloat! I miss Pieter though, including his "boss page"s and myTSN... :cry:

I know why 1:8 TR racers dislike them somewhat. The cars are very good, but there seems to always be some parts of inferior quality. Which leads to DNFs... They've also been very good at taking to market option parts and new things that should have undergone more extensive testing... For instance a Mugen in comparison is a bulletproof car...

[PaulUpton]

i must agree with the S400, it could have had so much more devopment work done to it, not even on handling just setting it up, as you cant raise up the wishbones without them hitting the bulkheads, so you have to remove material from bulkheads! Little things you shouldnt have to do!

And not being able to get the ride height below 7mm with kit shocks!

Ive also had to use so many other manufactures parts on my car to make it work!

Would be a shame to see them go or change hands!

Paul

[tjf]

So does this mean we wont be able to get any parts?

[PaulUpton]

Not saying you wont be able to get parts, i just know i have had a few people come to me asking if i had parts as they couldnt find any anywhere else!!

Paul

[l-u-k-e]

I am able to get all the parts i need!:confused:

[HVAC25000]

I am able to get all the parts i need!:confused:

Then use those connections to find out about the S500 for us :thumbsup:

[SHY]

To be 100% honest what I'd really want is the original Durango, not the S500...

If Gerd only would sell them...

[HVAC25000]

To be 100% honest what I'd really want is the original Durango, not the S500...

How come?

[Lee]

I personally feel the durango style has had its day, it was great a few years ago, and with the right driver its very quick, as proven with Paul Neumann :woot: but i think the layout limits the car in some ways and possibly serpent have realized this. WHy would you release a "new" car from a 5+ year old design :confused:

[SHY]

Slim chassis & bodyshell :woot:

I don't really like the wider front of the S500...

Alu is also great stuff, the Durango is a tank!

I've only seen one live, and that was at the Nordics in Finland this year (Vaasa). It handled perfectly, and did the triple time and time over without breaking anything! (incl. lots of overshooting)

[jimmy]

I'd disagree about it being a dated or obsolete design - both cars got in the A final at the worlds last year. I think it's a design thats yet to be fully exploited and realised. As for the S500 version - well it was designed to be more user friendly and I don't think that's a bad thing.

[schmacher]

hey shy, like this durango ? :thumbsup:

[SHY]

Stop teasing! :p

[Chris Doughty]

hey shy, like this durango ? :thumbsup:

wow - thats an origional 'fat' one! :D

[nitrokillah]

:D:D:D

[schmacher]

fat car for a fat guy :D

[YZ~10]

hope the s500 is released someday soon :D

[HVAC25000]

hey shy, like this durango ? :thumbsup:


So, is that thing made out of a TC4 like the BJ4?

[schmacher]

tce...uses tc3 diff and diff cases

[maxoo]

http://www.redrc.net/2008/10/team-durango-founded/

[stegger]

http://www.redrc.net/2008/10/team-durango-founded/
You beat me to it maxoo:p

Gerd Strenge and Michael Vollmer are proud to announce the founding of a new company Team Durango. The Team Durango name has been around the scene since 1999 when the first Durango 4WD 1/10 electric 4WD buggy was made by Gerd Strenge. What followed was a very successful history of national and international victories including wins at the German and Australian National Championships but the highlight winning the 2004 European Championship in Italy in the hands of the very talented Jörn Neumann. Although only available to the public as hand built one-off cars the Team Durango 1/10 4WD buggy has a large following in the buggy scene and is one of the most anticipated cars on the planet. The same applies to the Team Durango 1/8 scale nitro buggy that is around for nearly two years now. The prototype not only won the highly competitive Pro-Line Dirt Challenge 2007 race held in the UK but also holds many top-spots in national and international races. Both cars, the so called DEX410 1/10 electric 4WD buggy as well as the DNX408 1/8 nitro buggy are about to be released under the new Team Durango name very shortly. But there is more: Team Durango is also developing a 1/8 scale nitro truggy and currently working on several general products in the likes of a Jörn Neumann signature tool series, useful and innovative wrenches, merchandise and lots more.
Source: Team Durango

[Chris Doughty]

check out redrc.net - Team Durango is now a 'team/company'

crazy madness... what on earth is going on?? :eh?:

EDIT - and me :p

[jimmy]

There ya go then!

[Answer-RC-Pete]

There is a Serpent sticker on one of the cars!

[Sebastian]

There is a Serpent sticker on one of the cars!

Since Serpent is not mentioned in the press release maybe they just forgot to peel it off or they used an old shell. ;)

[Answer-RC-Pete]

I think that is most likely the case in reality - just sloppy to leave it on there

[Lee]

I dont think the sticker has any relevance, they could have kept it on so people think there is still a link to serpent which i turn would actually help out serpent if prospective buyers/investors thought they had gerd and jorn on board:confused:

[jimmy]

All very strange - They don't get ready to release multiple cars, merchandise and tools from thin air........ .

[Answer-RC-Pete]

If a buyer doesnt know who is on the staff more fool them!

Prospective invester...
"Ive done my due dilligence and know that they have a top off road designer, I saw a stiker on a car!"


@ Jimmy - its easy to put that in a press release - the images from the 1/8th worlds made the car look like it was some way from production ready.

[jimmy]

Time to close this thread maybe and kick off a 'Durango' thread elsewhere - Serpent is no longer making any off road vehicles clearly.

[Lee]

I agree its not much of an investigation but while people are talking about serpent, they are in the spotlight and getting publicity. Just like we are giving them now, because of a sticker. Who says it wasnt strategically placed?

Do you really think they would miss something like that on such important promotional shots :confused:

[Sebastian]

Do you really think they would miss something like that on such important promotional shots :confused:

Yes! :p

[Lee]

Why, would they advertise something they no longer have an interest in?

Thats like AE drivers running losi stickers

[jimmy]

Politics man, politics. The news breaks on redrc.net - which is run by the excellent marketing guy from Serpent. :) Its not like a press release went round? I didn't hear anything and can't find anything on the net - not even rc10.de the long-time durango homepage about this.

[Lee]

There you go then, i doubt it was an "accident" ;)

[jimmy]

Well lets face it, these companies are silent until it comes to promoting themselves - there's no mention of a departure from Serpent so why assume one.

[Lee]

As the saying goes, no news is good news:thumbsup:

I still think serpent have restructured and possibly Team durango will be working along side the serpent name and using their cheaper production facilities :)

[jimmy]

No point taking these things at face value :thumbsup:

[Answer-RC-Pete]

I would like to see Savageman25`s thoughts on the matter - he may be able to shed some light on it...!

[Chris Doughty]

I wonder if the fact that they have a lot of extra arial wire sticking out of the arial tube hints at them branching out into the fishing market too? :eh?:

[stegger]

I would like to see Savageman25`s thoughts on the matter - he may be able to shed some light on it...!

Or VMAG, he'd buy the company and sell it for half price next week:woot:

[jimmy]

I think this thread has run its course - the thread about Serpent being closed is now CLOSED! :D