Off road 1/10th Nationals

[kartstuffer]

And so it came to pass that the WISE old men of rc racing in the RCCAOI have decided not to allow the 1st round of the National Championship to go ahead at the only dry indoor astro track in their jurisdiction ( Naul )( run by the only offroad 1/10th club ) as the track is too narrow to overtake on:thumbdown: :confused: .Correct me if im wrong but i thought the idea was to make the best of your qualifying and start from the front and if you mess up in that ,you make the most of whatever skill you have to do your best and try to get to the front.
I still havent heard a F1 driver whinge about Monaco , they all love it even though it does not conform to the norm!!!

[G-Kenny]

Surely this is just silly, Passing up on the only indoor venue in the south because of 0.4M. I could see there point it they had a massive entry and lots of venue's to choose from but in this country we don't so we need to stop being silly and make the best of what we have.

I am assuming the RCCAOI run this rule throughout 1/10th Ie: on/off road and I don't think anyone from the RCCAOI checked the first round on the Touring car nationals. but then again our On Road Rep did'nt turn up to the national.

[Meath77]

Strange alright. My car is roughly 20cm wide. The track is 10 times that. If you go around a corner do you actually need that extra 40cm to overtake??
But instead, the navan track which is perfect for 1:8 scale nitros, but woeful for 1:10 is said to be ok?

Can EGM be called and the rule changed? Assuming no one has any objection to the track? Just get the minimium number of people needed for an EGM for 5 minutes, change the rule to 2m wide and bobs your uncle?
The track width was 2m and changed only last year! Any idea why?
Must start attending meetings :wtf:

[kartstuffer]

Don't think we need an AGM as if the date for the 1st round is anything like yesterday , where we had a great days "relaxed" racing where the quickest 1/10th off road racer in Ireland was being chased at times by two of the youngest drivers at the moment.
No rush between heats etc. and still guys practicing at 6 pm after the racing had finished at 4pm. Doors open and even the sun shone in!

[Click]

It saddens me to see this situation unfold as it has.

I was at the RCCAOI AGM when a member proposed the change, I and others enquired if these were written in stone or just guidelines, from memory we were told they were guidelines, aspirational rather than dictates.

It seems now they are being regarded as dictates, this was not my understanding at the AGM.:thumbdown:

As has been said, we are a VERY small community, at a guess I'd say 90% of the 1/10th offroad racers in S.Ireland race with the DMCC and their track has been deemed unsuitable due to a change to the rules that makes no sense in such a small country.:(

I feel one of the main functions of the RCCAOI is to promote the sport of RC racing, I can't see how this decision fulfils this remit? If racers want change then you have to get involved and turn up to AGM's, make proposals and maybe get involved in the RCCAOI committee, history has shown me that this rarely happens but I'd like to be proven wrong:woot:

On a more positive note, I think the large body of racers who race at the Naul are really enjoying themselves and the relaxed atmosphere is encouraging more and more people to join, long may it last:thumbsup:

[Meath77]

It saddens me to see this situation unfold as it has.

I was at the RCCAOI AGM when a member proposed the change, I and others enquired if these were written in stone or just guidelines, from memory we were told they were guidelines, aspirational rather than dictates.
It seems now they are being regarded as dictates, this was not my understanding at the AGM.:thumbdown:

Anyone know how this changed from a guideline to a rule? Did whoever updates the 1:10th rules mishear it and think it was a track width was to be set in stone? :confused:
Because if whatever was said in the AGM was written down differently in the rulebook is surely void?

I don't know how these things work, but if we're not using the naul because someone wrote something down wrong at a meeting it's a bit over the top. This is remote control car racing, not the Lisbon treaty. It should be changed easily enough :woot:

[Click]

Anyone know how this changed from a guideline to a rule? Did whoever updates the 1:10th rules mishear it and think it was a track width was to be set in stone? :confused:
Because if whatever was said in the AGM was written down differently in the rulebook is surely void?

I don't know how these things work, but if we're not using the naul because someone wrote something down wrong at a meeting it's a bit over the top. This is remote control car racing, not the Lisbon treaty. It should be changed easily enough :woot:

With the greatest of respect don't misquote me, I said from memory, I was not stating it was a guideline, it was a rule change but some of us did question if it made sense and some asked if there was in fact any existing 1/10th tracks in Ireland that could fulfil the new specifications.

As I said above if you want YOUR sport to run as YOU would like then YOU need to get involved, no point complaining after the horse has bolted:woot: (not having a go at you just making a point:) )

If very few 1/10th offraod racers turn up to the RCCAOI AGM then changes can be pushed through by a show of hands, no objections equals the rule gets passed, simple. The RCCAOI is a democratic organisation, everybody has equal rights, unfortunately very few racers tend to exercise their rights:(

''You're either part of the problem or part of the solution,'' Cleaver 1960's

[Mugenextreme]

The rule change was not updated incorrectly, it was update as per the proposal submitted prior to the agm. You would need to be a right muppet to make a mistake in changing a 0 to a 4.

[Meath77]

With the greatest of respect don't misquote me, I said from memory, I was not stating it was a guideline, it was a rule change but some of us did question if it made sense and some asked if there was in fact any existing 1/10th tracks in Ireland that could fulfil the new specifications.

As I said above if you want YOUR sport to run as YOU would like then YOU need to get involved, no point complaining after the horse has bolted:woot: (not having a go at you just making a point:) )

If very few 1/10th offraod racers turn up to the RCCAOI AGM then changes can be pushed through by a show of hands, no objections equals the rule gets passed, simple. The RCCAOI is a democratic organisation, everybody has equal rights, unfortunately very few racers tend to exercise their rights:(

''You're either part of the problem or part of the solution,'' Cleaver 1960's

I dont have time to race, never mind going to meetings :(
I know you're not having a go, tone of voice doesn't come across well on messageboards.

TBH, it's not a big deal to me, would have been nice to have a nationals there, but as long as I can go along on a sunday and have a good days racing I'm happy, nationals don't mean anything to me. I still would have signed up if the naul was on the list.
As I said earlier, I don't know how these things work, but it's a shame that such a good track is to be used because of a technicality. Are these things set in stone? Why not just use the track anyway? The first line on the RCCAOI page says "The RCCAOI is an organization which exists to promote RC car racing in Ireland."
We'll promote it by not using the best track in RoI, the only club with a 1:10th track, and closest one to the biggest population :woot:

[Click]

The rule change was not updated incorrectly, it was update as per the proposal submitted prior to the agm. You would need to be a right muppet to make a mistake in changing a 0 to a 4.

Fair enough.

Just to be clear my point was not about if it was a rule change, it was obvious it was a rule change, but I do remember questions being asked and at the end of the discussion I remember it being said the new rules would be aspirational guidelines rather then written in stone specs. As I said this is from memory and I could be mistaken:blush:

From my point of view the horse has already bolted, lets get on with enjoying the summer season and we can sort this stuff out at the next RCCAOI AGM:thumbsup: (that's if guys are willing to put the effort in?)

[Click]

I dont have time to race, never mind going to meetings :(
I know you're not having a go, tone of voice doesn't come across well on messageboards.

TBH, it's not a big deal to me, would have been nice to have a nationals there, but as long as I can go along on a sunday and have a good days racing I'm happy, nationals don't mean anything to me. I still would have signed up if the naul was on the list.
As I said earlier, I don't know how these things work, but it's a shame that such a good track is to be used because of a technicality. Are these things set in stone? Why not just use the track anyway? The first line on the RCCAOI page says "The RCCAOI is an organization which exists to promote RC car racing in Ireland."
We'll promote it by not using the best track in RoI, the only club with a 1:10th track, and closest one to the biggest population :woot:

I totally agree with everything you have said:thumbsup:

Unfortunately we are dealing with a situation that the RCCAOI are saying 'rules are rules' and very little common sense is being applied (I make these comments in the full knowledge that everybody on the RCCAOI committee do this work in their own time and are not paid and I'm aware its a thankless task!!) but that's the past, lets all look forward to enjoying ourselves in the future:thumbsup:

[Meath77]

I totally agree with everything you have said:thumbsup:

Unfortunately we are dealing with a situation that the RCCAOI are saying 'rules are rules' and very little common sense is being applied but that's the past, lets all look forward to enjoying ourselves in the future:thumbsup:

I'll go to the next meeting anyway Kev.
So, is this what normally happens:


Someone wants a rule change.
Stick it on the agenda/proposal
Word it differently in the meeting, so it's passed without any fuss
Turns out the rule change is rubbish.
Have to wait till next year to change it back, in the meantime the nationals suffer!


Brilliant!

Anyway, as you said, not going to change now.
What's the calender going to be then?
http://www.rccaoi.com/index.php/cal
Still says DMCC there. Just 3 rounds?

[Slim Shady]

I actualy passed Mark Penny on Sunday,no problem,Ok yes his car was stopped,but come on RCCAOI...ITS MODEL CAR RACING..Leave the politics and attitudes at home and race cars,surley these guys who take the Nationls seriously and who are top drivers,should have the ability to pass other cars..I think there is more to this issue then just half a meter..:thumbdown:where has common sense gone..Anyhow with or without the Nationals the racing is great at the Naul..

The Naul has it All.. :thumbsup:
Adios T.

[celticpanman]

Hi all

FYI

Unfortunately due to our current venue size, it does not lend to a track wider than 2m.
If the track was to change to the revised 2.4m minimum, we feel that the track will not be challenging enough at the level the nationals should be, even though it can be at 2m.

We had the option of Griffeen valley, but that venue is currently not suitable in its curent state due weather conditions and why risk outdoors when we have a great indoor venue with all facilities required.

ALL meetings with the RCCAOI were very favorable, positive, constructive and friendly. However, their hands are tied and the rules are the rules, because rules are there to govern.

All we can do is MOVE ON and at the next AGM if enough people feel strongly about it THEN GET OUT AND VOTE for change.

[kartstuffer]

What track width do you have to have for the new 1/16th class or is it covered by the rccaoi ???
Who is our 1/16th rep??:rolleyes:

[Mugenextreme]

I'll go to the next meeting anyway Kev.
So, is this what normally happens:


Someone wants a rule change.
Stick it on the agenda/proposal
Word it differently in the meeting, so it's passed without any fuss
Turns out the rule change is rubbish.
Have to wait till next year to change it back, in the meantime the nationals suffer!




What are u on. If u want i can post the proposal from the agm if you want it made clearer. The rule had one change to It 2.0 to 2.4 for all areas off the main straight.
It's not a rubbish change it was done for a reason it just happens now that the track the club have proposed to run with doesn't suit the guidelines. Some people made a complaint to the rccaoi committee and from what I can see the club committee choose not to make an attempt to alter the track to bring it more in line with the track specs. The rccaoi are stuck in a difficult position because what is voted in by the driver present at the agm is the guideline they are are asking to run with as it's not the committee who make up the rules. If there is a issue as clearly some drivers had then what do they do forget the handbook altogether. Why have a rule book then.

[Mugenextreme]

What track width do you have to have for the new 1/16th class or is it covered by the rccaoi ???
Who is our 1/16th rep??:rolleyes:

No rep. No rules no national class. Propose it at next agm if you want. Along with any rules you want.

[noreargrip]

who proposed and seconded the proposal.?

[Mugenextreme]

Will proposed I don't have the seconder for it.

[Mugenextreme]

Why does it matter who proposed it.? there where 8 buggy drivers at the agm and they all voted it in if I am not mistaken.

[noreargrip]

I wasn't there so I just want to know..why is there a problem?

[Mugenextreme]

No problem

[Click]

No problem

The only problem I have is my poor memory:thumbdown::)

I still maintain there was some discussion about this rule change, again as I keep saying, from memory, I thought it was agreed that the 2.4m would be applied where possible and/or it would be an aspirational width if the location allowed.

I think we should all just move on, it's water under the bridge:thumbsup:

We have a good thing going in the Naul, long may it last:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Mugenextreme]

The only problem I have is my poor memory:thumbdown::)

I still maintain there was some discussion about this rule change, again as I keep saying, from memory, I thought it was agreed that the 2.4m would be applied where possible and/or it would be an aspirational width if the location allowed.

I think we should all just move on, it's water under the bridge:thumbsup:

We have a good thing going in the Naul, long may it last:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Think we will have to get a film crew in and tape next agm Kev. So we can back track on what was said.

[Meath77]

Anyone remember what the reasons for the change were?

[Mugenextreme]

Anyone remember what the reasons for the change were?

Tomorrow evening went I am on the pc and not the tablet. I will post a link to the proposal if you want.?

[The Doktor]

The only problem I have is my poor memory:thumbdown::)


I remember it like you do Kev.

The new rule was proposed. It was then discussed by those who were there, as there was a worry that it may be a dictate rather than an aspiration. It was then agreed that it would go into the rule book in a slightly amended form to show this.
Its how I remember it, and also what I wrote down on my copy of the rule proposals on the day.

The proposal was:
12.4.3 The Minimum track width is 2.4 meters. The start straight for finals is a minimum of 3 meters. The straight is a minimum of 20 meters in length.

The reason for the proposal was:
The 2m minimum track lane width rule is not being used sensibly. 2.4m allows for a more appropriate width for sections of the track far from the rostrum.




As you say though, lets move on. The racing is good at the naul, and its also dry :thumbsup:

[Meath77]

Tomorrow evening went I am on the pc and not the tablet. I will post a link to the proposal if you want.?

Yeah, that would be interesting, cheers.
Edit: no need, just saw lees post

[Click]

Think we will have to get a film crew in and tape next agm Kev. So we can back track on what was said.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::lol::lol::lol:

[noreargrip]

apology to mugenxtreme..i read my post back and sounded a bit harsh when i asked if there was a problem..wasnt meant that way and hope it wasnt taken that way..
I don't know the ins and outs of the situation between all involved but sounds wrong to me..I'm not laying blame at anyone's door.i have my opinions about the situation but I'm keeping them to myself.
the rccaoi ran a couple of rounds last year .one in particular at ballymena where the turn out was very poor..there was a discussion about if there was enough people to even run the meeting..don't think there was enough people to even marshall all posts if I remember correctly ..but we had a talk between the racers and decided to go ahead and run it the best we could..I don't know the rule book but I got the impression that the meeting wasn't fully up to what it takes to run an rccaoi event.i understood finals had to have a full compliment of marshals.. please correct me if I'm wrong but that's the impression I got ..so the drivers decided at the race briefing although it was far from ideal,we had a small turnout of hardcore racers that wanted to race..so it went ahead..
so I suggest why can't something similar happen at the first round at naul..?
let it be put to the racers on the morning what the problems are and find out their views and come to a decision...
And if its still decided unsuitable we are all still there and can race ourselves anyway..
I think the rccaoi need the members more than the club members need the rccaoi going by the very poor attendance at last years series.
if there's not enough entries therefore not enough people to run the meeting safely does that mean no rccaoi series?..
due to my brca commitment I cannot compete in the complete series..but I wish to in the future that's why I'm so concerned..

[The Doktor]

from what I can see the club committee choose not to make an attempt to alter the track to bring it more in line with the track specs. .

Id just like to point out that this is incorrect. The club committee did not choose to not make an attempt to alter the track, the club MEMBERS choose to keep our track as it is.
The track was designed by members, and voted on by members. It is not for the committee to dictate how things should be, its always up to ALL the members.

[Click]

apology to mugenxtreme..i read my post back and sounded a bit harsh when i asked if there was a problem..wasnt meant that way and hope it wasnt taken that way..
I don't know the ins and outs of the situation between all involved but sounds wrong to me..I'm not laying blame at anyone's door.i have my opinions about the situation but I'm keeping them to myself.
the rccaoi ran a couple of rounds last year .one in particular at ballymena where the turn out was very poor..there was a discussion about if there was enough people to even run the meeting..don't think there was enough people to even marshall all posts if I remember correctly ..but we had a talk between the racers and decided to go ahead and run it the best we could..I don't know the rule book but I got the impression that the meeting wasn't fully up to what it takes to run an rccaoi event.i understood finals had to have a full compliment of marshals.. please correct me if I'm wrong but that's the impression I got ..so the drivers decided at the race briefing although it was far from ideal,we had a small turnout of hardcore racers that wanted to race..so it went ahead..
so I suggest why can't something similar happen at the first round at naul..?
let it be put to the racers on the morning what the problems are and find out their views and come to a decision...
And if its still decided unsuitable we are all still there and can race ourselves anyway..
I think the rccaoi need the members more than the club members need the rccaoi going by the very poor attendance at last years series.
if there's not enough entries therefore not enough people to run the meeting safely does that mean no rccaoi series?..
due to my brca commitment I cannot compete in the complete series..but I wish to in the future that's why I'm so concerned..

I think your comments are full of common sense, the problem is common sense is not being applied in this situation.

Of course we need rules so that we all know how to play the game BUT if a particular rule is being applied unfairly or just does not make sense then this is where common sense should apply.

Some racers might say 'it states in the rule book 2.4m and that is that' at one level they are correct but in context of a small country with a VERY small community of RC racers AND limited options when it comes to places to race they are SO wrong, in my opinion.

[celticpanman]

Some racers might say 'it states in the rule book 2.4m and that is that' at one level they are correct but in context of a small country with a VERY small community of RC racers AND limited options when it comes to places to race they are SO wrong, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

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[Rayzerp]

apology to mugenxtreme..i read my post back and sounded a bit harsh when i asked if there was a problem..wasnt meant that way and hope it wasnt taken that way..
I don't know the ins and outs of the situation between all involved but sounds wrong to me..I'm not laying blame at anyone's door.i have my opinions about the situation but I'm keeping them to myself.
the rccaoi ran a couple of rounds last year .one in particular at ballymena where the turn out was very poor..there was a discussion about if there was enough people to even run the meeting..don't think there was enough people to even marshall all posts if I remember correctly ..but we had a talk between the racers and decided to go ahead and run it the best we could..I don't know the rule book but I got the impression that the meeting wasn't fully up to what it takes to run an rccaoi event.i understood finals had to have a full compliment of marshals.. please correct me if I'm wrong but that's the impression I got ..so the drivers decided at the race briefing although it was far from ideal,we had a small turnout of hardcore racers that wanted to race..so it went ahead..
so I suggest why can't something similar happen at the first round at naul..?
let it be put to the racers on the morning what the problems are and find out their views and come to a decision...
And if its still decided unsuitable we are all still there and can race ourselves anyway..
I think the rccaoi need the members more than the club members need the rccaoi going by the very poor attendance at last years series.
if there's not enough entries therefore not enough people to run the meeting safely does that mean no rccaoi series?..
due to my brca commitment I cannot compete in the complete series..but I wish to in the future that's why I'm so concerned..

Yeah Mark thats how I remember it...I think there was a vote on the day in Ballymena about the various options we had. Ended up combining clubman and Mod for the qualifiers as not enough marshalls.... it just made sense as the people who did turn up just wanted to race. Common sense obviously only applies to years that end in an even number.

[Meath77]

Is it possible to scrap the 2.4m rule change and revert back to the old one as there seemed to be a mix up between what was agreed at the meeting and what was written down on the rule book? I know people are saying "if you want your say, go to the meetings", but there doesnt seem much point if we vote on one thing, and another is written down into the rule book!
And just to make the whole "rule change" more ridiculous is:

The reason for the proposal was:
The 2m minimum track lane width rule is not being used sensibly. 2.4m allows for a more appropriate width for sections of the track far from the rostrum.


That doesn't even apply to the naul, the high rosterum and smaller track area means the entire track is clear!

[mixer]

What are u on. If u want i can post the proposal from the agm if you want it made clearer. The rule had one change to It 2.0 to 2.4 for all areas off the main straight.
It's not a rubbish change it was done for a reason it just happens now that the track the club have proposed to run with doesn't suit the guidelines. Some people made a complaint to the rccaoi committee and from what I can see the club committee choose not to make an attempt to alter the track to bring it more in line with the track specs. The rccaoi are stuck in a difficult position because what is voted in by the driver present at the agm is the guideline they are are asking to run with as it's not the committee who make up the rules. If there is a issue as clearly some drivers had then what do they do forget the handbook altogether. Why have a rule book then.

Hi Colin what complaints were made???

[Mugenextreme]

Hi Colin what complaints were made???

Mick , it maybe that i assumed it but since the thread started with Rccaoi cancelled the round due to the track being to narrow and then question about rules regarding track width throughout the thread. For the Rccaoi to have even gotten involved and make a ruling on something like this there would have to have been a complaint or a concern about the track made from somebody. Why else would they have gotten involved?

[mixer]

Mick , it maybe that i assumed it but since the thread started with Rccaoi cancelled the round due to the track being to narrow and then question about rules regarding track width throughout the thread. For the Rccaoi to have even gotten involved and make a ruling on something like this there would have to have been a complaint or a concern about the track made from somebody. Why else would they have gotten involved?

I go with that Colin... but it baffles me that someone would make a complaint about round one venue when it was announced as being griffeen valley... it was only due to weather conditions that the venue had to be changed and this infomation was only between the two committees and was not made public...

[Mugenextreme]

I go with that Colin... but it baffles me that someone would make a complaint about round one venue when it was announced as being griffeen valley... it was only due to weather conditions that the venue had to be changed and this infomation was only between the two committees and was not made public...

Mick there was no set venue for round 1 Griffen or Naul according to the rccaoi site. In saying that if someone had a concern about the specs of the Naul, whether or not it was to be the host venue or not something could have been sent in prior to any announcement with the assumption it would be the host venue. Regardless of the factors involved in choosing it over griffeen. If weather is a factor why not work with the rep or committee and choose a more suitable date where there maybe a better chance of good weather and use griffeen where a track suitable to cover all angle can be ran at.

[kartstuffer]

Main reason for that is that there is a perfectly good track at the Naul that is raced on every week and could easily be used if common sense were to prevail.
The second reason is that the members want to race every Sunday and not waste time ripping up a track at the Naul to lay one in Lucan as I believe the fire-hose at Lucan is not suitable!! And the pipe is screwed to the floor in Naul.
These are my observations as I am not on any committee a just want to have some RC fun with like minded others.:thumbsup:

[Mugenextreme]

Ivan , i dont know the reason as i am not on any committee either. I believe mick (aka mixer) is and he has said the reason for not using Lucan was because of the weather hence my comment. Nothing to do with hoses or whatever else. I know the hoses where a pain to role out and put away but they where good enough last year and many times in the pass so they cannot be a problem.

[kartstuffer]

Correct me if I am wrong , but I believe the club was told last year that the red firehose was not up to standard and the white rubber hose had to be used and that is now screwed to the floor in the Naul.:
I have just been to Lucan and it fools great today grass cut etc, but we can't forecast the weather and look at what has already been cancelled this year due to our great weather !
The Naul is ready to race on any day ? So why not do as Mark said a little common sense now and again never hurt anyone.

[The Doktor]

Ivan , i dont know the reason as i am not on any committee either. I believe mick (aka mixer) is and he has said the reason for not using Lucan was because of the weather hence my comment. Nothing to do with hoses or whatever else. I know the hoses where a pain to role out and put away but they where good enough last year and many times in the pass so they cannot be a problem.

Hi Colin,
I will just answer as to why Lucan isn't to be used.
1. The track area is still very soft, and up to this week has been unusable. We have been out there each week to check on it.
2. We had intended to use Lucan from time to time, but this hasn't happened due to weather, and as you know the first few weeks of running is never great, until the track is cut a few times and run on. We didn't think it would be befitting of a national to have the first run of the season on it.
3. We have been told that the red fire hose and tyres are not suitable to mark the track with. The red hose, because its too easy for a car to drive over. So we would have to use the heavier white hose that we have in the naul. This would mean either getting new hose, or ripping up the naul hose, moving it out to Lucan for one days racing.

Being honest, I personally think the track in Naul is great at the moment. Its challenging and the vast majority of drivers like it. Its so much better than the previous lay out. (I did not design either!!!)
Also a huge amount of work has gone in to the venue to make it more attractive, cleaner and safer for racers. It really is a shame the 0.4M is stopping the nationals going ahead here.

[h0m3sy]

I think this is a major mistake not to use the track at the Naul. I believe the DMCC are getting in the region of 20-30 racers most weeks. Now, maths isn't my strong point but that's a potential income of €300-€450 for the RCCAOI should these racers join the organisation for round 1 had it been at the Naul ?
As Ray and Mark have already pointed to the lack of numbers at last years championship rounds, surely everything that can be done, should be done to encourage new blood to join up?

[Mugenextreme]

Hi Colin,
I will just answer as to why Lucan isn't to be used.
1. The track area is still very soft, and up to this week has been unusable. We have been out there each week to check on it.
2. We had intended to use Lucan from time to time, but this hasn't happened due to weather, and as you know the first few weeks of running is never great, until the track is cut a few times and run on. We didn't think it would be befitting of a national to have the first run of the season on it.
3. We have been told that the red fire hose and tyres are not suitable to mark the track with. The red hose, because its too easy for a car to drive over. So we would have to use the heavier white hose that we have in the naul. This would mean either getting new hose, or ripping up the naul hose, moving it out to Lucan for one days racing.

Being honest, I personally think the track in Naul is great at the moment. Its challenging and the vast majority of drivers like it. Its so much better than the previous lay out. (I did not design either!!!)
Also a huge amount of work has gone in to the venue to make it more attractive, cleaner and safer for racers. It really is a shame the 0.4M is stopping the nationals going ahead here.

Lee i didn't have a issue with the club not wanting to run at Lucan for whatever reason. The Hoses (i didn't know they couldn't be used, news to me.),Weather, I only suggested you postpone and ask run at a later date as a option. Whatever reason its your choice not to run there.

The Naul , its a grand club venue and more power to you guys for getting it up and running and to a point you are happy. To me its a bit like marmite you either love it or you don't. Same as other tracks are to other people. It is a shame that we have this issue 6 months after the agm and its something that can't be resolved.

[h0m3sy]

Out of interest, how many drivers have signed up to do the 1/10 RCCAOI series this year?

[The Doktor]

Out of interest, how many drivers have signed up to do the 1/10 RCCAOI series this year?

I don't know how up to date this is, Colin might be able to answer better though. I know that im a member since last week (though not entering the series) and not on the list.

http://rccaoi.com/index.php/drivers-list

[Mugenextreme]

I don't know how up to date this is, Colin might be able to answer better though. I know that im a member since last week (though not entering the series) and not on the list.

http://rccaoi.com/index.php/drivers-list

Dave impossible to put a number on as at the AGM there was a vote to changed from pre registration and to allow for registration on the day of the event. In reality we have to see who turns up.

Edit:

There is a drivers list on the rccaoi site where drivers who joined and are paid up. This is only updated as membership names are passed onto me or if the reps for the section update it.

[Mugenextreme]

I don't know how up to date this is, Colin might be able to answer better though. I know that im a member since last week (though not entering the series) and not on the list.

http://rccaoi.com/index.php/drivers-list


It may not be updated on the day Lee as The rep or whomever you paid maybe updating them as a batch but if you find it is not there is a reasonable amount of time by all means question whoever you paid.

[mixer]

Dave impossible to put a number on as at the AGM there was a vote to changed from pre registration and to allow for registration on the day of the event. In reality we have to see who turns up.

Edit:

There is a drivers list on the rccaoi site where drivers who joined and are paid up. This is only updated as membership names are passed onto me or if the reps for the section update it.

There was no vote for pre registration to registration that rule doesn't exist

[h0m3sy]

http://rccaoi.com/index.php/drivers-list

You'll be hoping for a good few joining on the day looking at the list. I would have considered it myself but Naul has been voted down and Larne to the other side of Cork is too far for me. I hope you get the numbers though as it would be a shame if it was to disappear from the calendar :(

[Mugenextreme]

There was no vote for pre registration to registration that rule doesn't exist

Mick I think you are reading this wrong. I was replying to david question with regards to who was registered to race in the national series. Last year we knew at around this stage who was planning to run the series but this year because we opted at the agm not to have membership paid in advance as it was not wanted we will not know until the day who has registered with the rccaoi to race in 1/10 electric.
Not anything to do with registering for the meeting that can be done on the day.

[Mugenextreme]

http://rccaoi.com/index.php/drivers-list

You'll be hoping for a good few joining on the day looking at the list. I would have considered it myself but Naul has been voted down and Larne to the other side of Cork is too far for me. I hope you get the numbers though as it would be a shame if it was to disappear from the calendar :(

Larne did not get voted down.

[h0m3sy]

Larne did not get voted down.

Never said it did mate, I said Larne to the other side of Cork is too far for me.
That plus the small matter of the only purpose built 1/10 buggy track in the whole of Ireland being ruled out of hosting a round. Nonsensical decision making in the extreme.

[Click]

Hi Colin,

Before you read my post I'm not having a go at you, just raising a point :thumbsup:

You said:
The Naul , its a grand club venue and more power to you guys for getting it up and running and to a point you are happy. To me its a bit like marmite you either love it or you don't. Same as other tracks are to other people. It is a shame that we have this issue 6 months after the agm and its something that can't be resolved.

Well actually there is something that can be done:thumbsup: from the RCCAOI rule book:


1.14 The RCCAOI Committee has the power to delete, amend or change any existing rule(s) or add any new rule(s) to the Rules, to accommodate any changes on legal or fiscal requirements, or change in recognised or legally required safety procedures. This action can take place at any time within the association’s year without the need for a EGM or AGM. Any action of this nature will be made known to the membership by notification on the RCCAOI website. Any decision taken must be ratified at the following AGM with a 2/3rds majority.

This gives power to the RCCAOI to change ANY existing rule without having to hold an EGM or AGM. But the 1/10th rep + the RCCAOI committee would need to be willing to change the 2.4m width back to 2.0m making the Naul 'legal' within the RCCAOI rules.

So, will common sense prevail?

I get the impression that certain individuals are trying to make out the reason why the round is not running in the Naul is that the DMCC are unwilling to cooperate, I don't agree with this viewpoint.

I'm not on the DMCC committee but my hats off to the lads who have put in sterling effort to secure & develop a fantastic indoor track for all of us to enjoy.

The situation we are in makes absolutely no sense considering the RCCAOI have the ability to make the change if they want (see 1.14 above).

If anybody from the RCCAOI committee is reading this I plead with you to look into enacting ruling 1.14, racers from both North & South cannot see sense in this decision and neither can I.

[The Doktor]

Also from the rule book:

3.9 In the event of a local “Club” rule being in contradiction to an RCCAOI rule, Agreement must be reached at a ‘Team Managers’ Meeting before the event takes place and the resulting rule / agreement advised to drivers
at the driver briefing.

[Click]

Also from the rule book:

3.9 In the event of a local “Club” rule being in contradiction to an RCCAOI rule, Agreement must be reached at a ‘Team Managers’ Meeting before the event takes place and the resulting rule / agreement advised to drivers
at the driver briefing.


So between rule 1.14 and 3.9 the RCCAOI have a solution IF they want to sort this problem. There needs to be a willingness of behalf of the RCCAOI to support clubs and the development of the sport in Ireland, at the moment .4 of a metre is being used to stop racing in the Naul at National level, this makes absolutely no sense when the RCCAOI have the means to sort the situation using rule 1.14 and/or rule 3.9.

Will common sense win the day?

[Mugenextreme]

Hi Colin,

Before you read my post I'm not having a go at you, just raising a point :thumbsup:

You said:
The Naul , its a grand club venue and more power to you guys for getting it up and running and to a point you are happy. To me its a bit like marmite you either love it or you don't. Same as other tracks are to other people. It is a shame that we have this issue 6 months after the agm and its something that can't be resolved.

Well actually there is something that can be done:thumbsup: from the RCCAOI rule book:


1.14 The RCCAOI Committee has the power to delete, amend or change any existing rule(s) or add any new rule(s) to the Rules, to accommodate any changes on legal or fiscal requirements, or change in recognised or legally required safety procedures. This action can take place at any time within the association’s year without the need for a EGM or AGM. Any action of this nature will be made known to the membership by notification on the RCCAOI website. Any decision taken must be ratified at the following AGM with a 2/3rds majority.

This gives power to the RCCAOI to change ANY existing rule without having to hold an EGM or AGM. But the 1/10th rep + the RCCAOI committee would need to be willing to change the 2.4m width back to 2.0m making the Naul 'legal' within the RCCAOI rules.

So, will common sense prevail?

I get the impression that certain individuals are trying to make out the reason why the round is not running in the Naul is that the DMCC are unwilling to cooperate, I don't agree with this viewpoint.

I'm not on the DMCC committee but my hats off to the lads who have put in sterling effort to secure & develop a fantastic indoor track for all of us to enjoy.

The situation we are in makes absolutely no sense considering the RCCAOI have the ability to make the change if they want (see 1.14 above).

If anybody from the RCCAOI committee is reading this I plead with you to look into enacting ruling 1.14, racers from both North & South cannot see sense in this decision and neither can I.


Kevin I am aware of that rule in the handbook 1.14 but with regards to legal I think the idea is to make changes when a legal issues in law changes that may effect something in the handbook. But maybe i am wrong and by all means get someone to contact the committee to ask for them to inact this rule to make a change. Not sure any of the committee are looking at oople.

[The Doktor]

Kevin,
First I would like to say that the rccaoi committee that met with us 3 times were very helpful and wanted to resolve the issue as quickly as possible.
The two rules that they were looking at mentioned above were not invoked.
The one you quoted, due to it not being a fiscal, legal or safety rule.
The one I quoted due to the issue being known in advance of the meeting, and there being a complaint about our track by at least one driver.

I think whether the event is to go ahead or not, that members should contact their rep and let him know of their unhappiness about the issue. It may or may not change things, but I do feel it should go on record that some people were not happy about the situation. Im not saying that it should be done to argue with the rep, as im sure he has his fill of this too, but just to make it known how u feel.

When we all meet at the AGM this year, nothing will be on record to show drivers were not happy about the situation if no one makes contact.

And also I would say to people who believe the event should NOT take place at the DMCC Naul venue should also make sure they put it on record.

Lee

[Meath77]

So, the only valid complaint can be "the naul does not comply to rule 12.3.3", which in nonsence. The rule was brought in so you can see far corners of the track. This definitely doesn't effect the naul because the track area is small. As far as I can see the complaint purely on a technicality, not from a driver or racing reason.
Who made the complaint? And maybe they could tell us why?Communication doesn't seem to be a strong point here as I mentioned in the thread about the euros!

Who do we mail about it Lee? Is it Derek as he's the 1:10th rep?

[The Doktor]

Here is the rccaoi contacts page, its a 1/10 off road issue, so the 1/10 off road rep.

http://rccaoi.com/index.php/contacts


Im goin racing now :thumbsup:

[h0m3sy]

Where is round 1 to be held now that Naul has been ruled out? Navan, BADMCC or Cork?

[celticpanman]

well this must he a hot topic

here we are on page 4 in 2 days

[Click]

Where is round 1 to be held now that Naul has been ruled out? Navan, BADMCC or Cork?

Not 100% sure but I'd say it will be a 3 round championship?

[kartstuffer]

:thumbdown:

[Click]

:thumbdown:

;) as I said not a 100% sure just a guess on my behalf.

Another round could be run on one of the other tracks?

[noreargrip]

4 pages in 2 days..lol..just shows the feeling that the MAJORITY,yes the MAJORITY of racers feelings against the very FEW!!!..
complete bollocks if I'm truthful..
can't wait for the start of a thread if there was something really serious!! could turn into a book lol
Im not against anyones views..its a free world..but this is just childish.
I don't care who has issues with who,can be resolved so easily..and those in question will get a little respect back along with it..must be about the hobby...everytime.
I realise that the other venues are sooo perfect they are obviously a hard act to follow..
that's as sarcastic as I possibly can be on a text..
and before other clubs have a go at me about their tracks I'm only talking from a 1/10 perspective.our cars look like matchbox cars on a 1/8 track..jumps are huge and so on..great for 1/8 I'll admit ..
I thank the 1/8 clubs for the opportunity and their efforts to accommodate 1/10.
oh and good morning everyone :)

[Meath77]

;) as I said not a 100% sure just a guess on my behalf.

Another round could be run on one of the other tracks?
If that happens I hope whatever track gets 2 rounds is put to a vote.
I'm voting for Cork :cool:

[h0m3sy]

Quote"If in the event of a round being cancelled and not re-run, the best 4 from 5 shall count for the purpose of calculating results. If in the event of 2 rounds being cancelled then the best 4 rounds shall count. If less than 4 rounds have been completed then they shall be deemed null and void for that class.
In the case of a championship being organised for 4 rounds or less 1 round to be dropped and the balance to count. In the case of a single round championship the result of that tound will be the result of the championship."

Does this mean because Naul is ruled out that you then have to compete in all the remaining rounds ? Does it mean that instead of your best 3 out of 4, it will now become your best 2 from the remaining 3 rounds?

[Mugenextreme]

Quote"If in the event of a round being cancelled and not re-run, the best 4 from 5 shall count for the purpose of calculating results. If in the event of 2 rounds being cancelled then the best 4 rounds shall count. If less than 4 rounds have been completed then they shall be deemed null and void for that class.
In the case of a championship being organised for 4 rounds or less 1 round to be dropped and the balance to count. In the case of a single round championship the result of that tound will be the result of the championship."

Does this mean because Naul is ruled out that you then have to compete in all the remaining rounds ? Does it mean that instead of your best 3 out of 4, it will now become your best 2 from the remaining 3 rounds?

In the case of a championship being organised for 4 rounds or less, 1 round to be dropped and the balance to count.

So 2 from 3 dave as you said looks right to me.

[h0m3sy]

Thanks Colin :thumbsup:

[Pedals]

Id just like to point out that this is incorrect. The club committee did not choose to not make an attempt to alter the track, the club MEMBERS choose to keep our track as it is.
The track was designed by members, and voted on by members. It is not for the committee to dictate how things should be, its always up to ALL the members.


This certainly is an interesing forum and I am rather disappointed that this situation had occured and that it couldnt be resolved.

As I read the comments, I am not sure I can agree with the one above. I may be wrong but the members voted on the track layout with the specific instructions that the track was 2m wide. The club did vote and design the track. However knowing that the RCCAOI require a width of 2.4m, could we have designed a different layout? I dont know. We were not told that the track we voted on would be excluded from RCCAOI event.

[kartstuffer]

The 2.4 metre rule was voted in and specifically to be used as a guideline and is now only being quoted as a definite rule and used as an excuse by certain parties who don't race at the Naul to cause hassle , but it is not the regular racers loss!

[The Doktor]

This certainly is an interesing forum and I am rather disappointed that this situation had occured and that it couldnt be resolved.

As I read the comments, I am not sure I can agree with the one above. I may be wrong but the members voted on the track layout with the specific instructions that the track was 2m wide. The club did vote and design the track. However knowing that the RCCAOI require a width of 2.4m, could we have designed a different layout? I dont know. We were not told that the track we voted on would be excluded from RCCAOI event.

No, this is not true. The instructions were that the lanes were at least 2M wide. Members were given a template with 2M squares and told that if they wanted anything different to mail the drivers rep and you would be given what ever you required. Members were also told that our existing jumps that were made were 2M wide, but if they wanted any different features not to be afraid to include them.
Also remember all our jumps (apart from wall of death) were made before this new rccaoi rule came in.
Though as far as Im concerned, we were very open to any design submitted.

If you would like the original emails that were sent please contact me.

Please remember that the DMCC rules state 2M for all lanes except the straight which must me 2.5M (our straight is actually wider).

Also, our track area doesn't lend itself to make much wider lanes and at the same time keep the track interesting.

[Pedals]

I hear you and it seems that the way the rule was written was not the way it was intended at the AGM. That doesn't change the fact that the rule was written and probably published before the track was designed and the decisions made.

Everyone, it appears, wants to blame someone else but I think all parties are to blame as this situation did not need to happen.

The good racing and fun will continue at the Naul. Lets hope the parties involved can resolve this for the future!

[celticpanman]

Hi

Just so you are aware

The jumps etc were all built in sept 2012 before the RCCAOI AGM to the club min width of 2m
Due to the size of the venue it lends to a track width of 2m in order for the track to be challenging and test the drivers ability. Yes we can build a wider track but then ANYBODY CAN DRIVE AN OVAL. No skill needed there and your ability is certainly not tested.
When the club applied for a round in Jan 13 we proposed 2 venues Naul and Lucan.
We were hoping if the weather improves that Lucan would be available but we made a decision due to our current LOVELY SUMMER WEATHER ( INC SNOW ) that it will not be possible as the track was water logged.

When we decided to change the track layout, we asked the members what they would like thus breaking with tradition where only 1 or 2 decided what track you raced on and everyone got a chance.
Plans were sent out and 8 designs were returned,
They were all emailed out and the clear winner was track 8 THE CURRENT ONE.

NOW your choice on track design was for the club to use THIS WAS NOT GOING TO BE THE RCCAOI LAYOUT ( as that would be unfair to people who had not raced there ) and your vote was just for the club track of 2m wide.
We knew that the current track was too narrow (by 0.4m ) but we were concentrating on a track for our members and racers who show up every weekend.

When it came to change the track around for the members only 3 people turned up to do it.
Now if it is to be changed for a 1 day event it will take ( more than likely the same 3 people) 6 hours to change it to the new design, mid week after sundays normal racing to have it ready in time for the RCCAOI and then the same 3, 6 hours to change it back again for the members the following Sunday.
FAIR ???????
As far as " We were not told that the track we voted on would be excluded from RCCAOI event."

Of course you were not told, as the track you were voting on was not for the RCCAOI 1 day event it was and is FOR THE MEMBERS who turn up every weekend that is why it was sent to all 33 members and not just the current 2 members in the RCCAOI.

Please remember
you can please some of the people some of the time but you will not please all of the people all of the time

BUT SURELY 99.9% CANT BUT WRONG just happy i guess

I hope that clears it up a little for you and sorry if it comes across strong but i will not accept the blame for a very small number of people who are ruining it for the majority of other racers who enjoy the close, challenging and skillful racing the Naul currently delivers.

[av4625]

4 pages in 2 days..lol..just shows the feeling that the MAJORITY,yes the MAJORITY of racers feelings against the very FEW!!!..
complete bollocks if I'm truthful..
can't wait for the start of a thread if there was something really serious!! could turn into a book lol
Im not against anyones views..its a free world..but this is just childish.
I don't care who has issues with who,can be resolved so easily..and those in question will get a little respect back along with it..must be about the hobby...everytime.
I realise that the other venues are sooo perfect they are obviously a hard act to follow..
that's as sarcastic as I possibly can be on a text..
and before other clubs have a go at me about their tracks I'm only talking from a 1/10 perspective.our cars look like matchbox cars on a 1/8 track..jumps are huge and so on..great for 1/8 I'll admit ..
I thank the 1/8 clubs for the opportunity and their efforts to accommodate 1/10.
oh and good morning everyone :)

Before i start im saying that im not racing in the 10th nationals because of 8th comitments

Im definitly agreeing with mark here, i read through the comments and everyone on here bar one wants to race at naul, it doesnt seem to be the track width thing it just seems they dont want to race there for some reason. it is pretty childish as i was down at the christmas gp and had a good days racing and had no problem with the track, people at national level should be able to pass no?

You have the facility to change/overlook the rule with the 1.14 quote earlier, why not just race were everyone wants too and the only 1/10th track running at the minute,

[Rayzerp]

Before i start im saying that im not racing in the 10th nationals because of 8th comitments

Im definitly agreeing with mark here, i read through the comments and everyone on here bar one wants to race at naul, it doesnt seem to be the track width thing it just seems they dont want to race there for some reason. it is pretty childish as i was down at the christmas gp and had a good days racing and had no problem with the track, people at national level should be able to pass no?

You have the facility to change/overlook the rule with the 1.14 quote earlier, why not just race were everyone wants too and the only 1/10th track running at the minute,

:thumbsup:

[kartstuffer]

The Monaco GP is being cancelled ,Why ? Because the FAstESt driver says that he can't overtake on the track because it is not 5.4 metres wide and that is NOT best practice.
What was Bernies answer ???

[mixer]

The Monaco GP is being cancelled ,Why ? Because the FAstESt driver says that he can't overtake on the track because it is not 5.4 metres wide and that is NOT best practice.
What was Bernies answer ???

You'll find an answer In Irish Rc car racing on facebook.. :woot::lol:

Opps... Must have been the wrong answer as it gone now!!!

[Meath77]

Before i start im saying that im not racing in the 10th nationals because of 8th comitments

Im definitly agreeing with mark here, i read through the comments and everyone on here bar one wants to race at naul, it doesnt seem to be the track width thing it just seems they dont want to race there for some reason. it is pretty childish as i was down at the christmas gp and had a good days racing and had no problem with the track, people at national level should be able to pass no?

You have the facility to change/overlook the rule with the 1.14 quote earlier, why not just race were everyone wants too and the only 1/10th track running at the minute,
Fully agree.
On one side we have common sense, majority decision, and what's best for racing.
On the other side we have a technicality that doesn't even effect the track and no one actually seems to have a problem with from a racing point of view
It's not a hard decision!

What happens if we just went ahead and ran the race? I don't think anyone on here is actually against using the track.

[h0m3sy]

You can't run a national round if its not sanctioned by the RCCAOI. Racing will go ahead at the Naul anyway, forget about it.

[noreargrip]

Just back from the nationals and getting the piss taken out of me all weekend about the farce that is the rccaoi.!!!!!
Big thanks to all involed..

[celticpanman]

Sorry you had to endure all that when it is no fault of yours

I hope you were able to enjoy your racing anyway

[celticpanman]

A newsletter has been sent to all DMCC members re RCCAOI round 1

[Meath77]

Graham sent around a timeline of events. Here's a complaint that was sent to the 1:10th rep. Now, we know the rule is 2.4 and nothing can be done, but really, does anyone that has raced on the track agree with it any of it?


I understand that the DMCC intends to hold round 1 of the championship on a track with 2.0 metre wide lanes, even though it was carried by a 2/3rds+ majority at the AGM that the new width would be a minimum of 2.4m.
As you and most quick racers know, 2.0 meters rules out overtaking without taking excessive risks – and when taken, and resulting in contact between cars, could be interpreted to be unsportman-like or bad driving – it’s just not sensible to make such a thin track.

It baffles me as to why the club would construct such a thin track, especially considering not only that it was built several months after the RCCAOI rulebook was updated, but also that it was the DMCC’s committee member charged with coordinating the track design whom made up part of the majority that carried the rule change! Bizarre.

Although I had intended to support all four rounds of the championship, I cannot commit to round 1 knowing that the DMCC has intentionally reneged on their agreement when applying to host the round. (I received one due to my association with RacewayOne). I assume that you received a signed copy by return of the agreement sent out to the DMCC earlier in the year in which the “Minimum Requirements” includes the new track width of 2.4m.
I don’t think it is wise to get the championship off to a compromised start like this – however if the track was to regulation, I’d be happy to participate.

It also isn’t fair to the clubs that considered the application form and decided that they could not make the minimum requirements and didn;t apply. How does it look if the first round doesn’t make these requirements?
In my experience, no 1/10th offroad national meeting has ever fully fulfilled the full scope of the rulebook – sometime no scrutiny, sometimes no results are posted, sometimes there is a marshal missing etc. - and I accept this, but at least these are all things that the race director can deal with on the day due to their unforeseen nature. But knowing that there is a problem a month before the meeting is a very different issue.

Perhaps you’d be good enough to let me know if the situation with the track gets resolved – I don’t intend to participate otherwise.


You are entitled to make a complaint of course, but we are also entitled to debate it if we feel it doesn't make any sense. The rule was brought in for areas of the track that are far from the rosterum. I don't think any of the above applies to the naul other than "rule states 2.4m, naul is 2m". A technicality. Also, the rule that was "voted in" seemed to be misunderstood by the people voting it in. It was a guideline, presumably because some track areas are big with parts of the track hard to see. There is no need to make entire tracks 2.4m.
Do fast drivers need the extra 30cm? I would have thought that the good drivers stick to the racing line, they don't need the track to be wider.

[G-Kenny]

I've seen 5Th scale touring car cleanly overtake in less space than 2m :lol:

[Meath77]

My favourite bit is "It also isn’t fair to the clubs that considered the application form and decided that they could not make the minimum requirements and didn;t apply. How does it look if the first round doesn’t make these requirements?"
LOL, yes, clearly the complaint is just looking out for all those other clubs that were going to apply!

Joke of a complaint imho, and racewayone had a cheek to come on looking for thanks for their facebook page (for the latest story that they cut and paste from somewhere else :p) when it's them putting in bullshít complaints. No wonder they refuse to post in this thread. If that website thinks the complaint is somehow helping racing in ireland, they're deluded.

[kartstuffer]

How can a complaint be accepted by the rccaoi rep if you are not a member of said association???

[Mugenextreme]

How can a complaint be accepted by the rccaoi rep if you are not a member of said association???

????

[kartstuffer]

????
Simple question:confused:

[Mugenextreme]

Simple question:confused:


???? I question the statement Kartstuffer. If a non-member cannot make a complaint (even though they are a member in this case, check drivers list) does that statement not work both ways. As 99% of the posters to this thread are not-members for 2013 why should anyone have a say at this point.

I think you guys need to leave this to your Club committee to discuss and stop posting stuff up and making comments on Oople.

[kartstuffer]

???? I question the statement Kartstuffer. If a non-member cannot make a complaint (even though they are a member in this case, check drivers list) does that statement not work both ways. As 99% of the posters to this thread are not-members for 2013 why should anyone have a say at this point.

I think you guys need to leave this to your Club committee to discuss and stop posting stuff up and making comments on Oople.

Get the facts right first. There are 2 complaints, both by drivers not currently racing 1/10th offroad ,one by a driver who has not raced at the Naul track ,or even been to see it,and the second complaint by a driver who has been there (not in its current configuration ) but not raced at the venue & was not a rccaoi member when the complaint was made.
This pettiness was not started by the DMCC who operate the only 1/10th off road track in Ireland.
As for commenting on Oople why not let the truth come out and see how people feel about the situation instead of trying to hide it all behind closed doors.

[kartstuffer]

As for not being a member of the rccaoi ,I was last year but have ABSOLUTELY no intention of joining this year along with many others as long as this farcical situation remains.
This has no reflection on the secretary who has done all he could to accommodate the DMCC.

[The Doktor]

DMCC would like to remind all drivers that we will be hosting racing as normal on the day that was scheduled for the National Round 1, and anyone who had planned to attend is more than welcome to come and race with us on June 9th, or any other Sunday or Wednesday evening.

Below is our 2M/2.7M track, with a car on it for scale... Im sure most quick drivers can over take on it :)

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n475/leemcguire74/stuff/Trackwide2re_zps6053a627.jpg

[h0m3sy]

http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o690/homesy74/null_zps2abf53ce.jpg