210 rear motor /mid motor on rhr dirt

[johnnygibbon]

hoping some fellows 210 drivers can share some info
ive always run my 210 in mid motor and loved it on astro or grass tracks , but on slippy surfaces like sports floor or rhr dirt i struggled with rear grip and general handling, so this year im going to the oople race and am considering swapping the car into rear motor , but the only set up sheet i can find completed is craigs wich is fine for rear motor , but i was wondering if any mid motor set ups were out there that work at rhr with proline holshots
i want the car to feel planted with good even grip , last year i was all wheelspin and understeer then oversteer , i am looking to get a nice even feel , not to twitchy
hope you oople boys can help more than the td site , any suggestions or settings apprectiated

[Chris Doughty]

Unless they sugar-water the track (I hope they don't) then rear motor will be best at RHR dirt. The track just doesn't have enough traction for MM.

I'm actually considering RM4 setup. I'll certainly test it.

My Rear motor setups will be on the TD website somewhere for RHR dirt. As should Hupo's Oople race setups.

[NeilRalph77]

Now then Johnny! Colin May ran MM at last years invernational and A finalled amongst the RM's his setup is on Durango website, though I appreciate he's a little better than us mere mortal's.

[johnnygibbon]

That's it
I never enjoyed running 2wd untill I got my 210 in mid motor so I'm a bit apprehensive about going rear motor
I would use Colin's set up
But all I get of the td website is blank set up sheets
Apart from Craig's
But I do need some help yo get my car working on the dirt
Or Am i gonna have to go rm and hope for the best

[NeilRalph77]

http://www.team-durango.com/pdf/setups/TD102006/RHR_Dirt_GB/DEX210_RHR_Dirt_oOple_Invernational_Colin_May_29_0 7_12.pdf

[DangerCow]

http://www.team-durango.com/pdf/setups/TD102006/RHR_Dirt_GB/DEX210_RHR_Dirt_oOple_Invernational_Colin_May_29_0 7_12.pdf

With the above link I get a pdf with the boxes all unchecked, just blank. Quite keen to try the setup but can't access it.

[danDanEFC]

If your using iPhone/iPad make sure you download the adobe app first then open them using that.

That fixed the issue for me.

[DangerCow]

Using my computer, a recent MacMini.

[minitellsa]

I think you still need to download the Adobe app for the Mac Mini, as the Preview app doesn't show the pdf properly.

[johnnygibbon]

Just downloaded the free adobe app and I can now veuw Colin's set up on my I phone it works fine now
I'm gonba see how close it is to mine now
And probably set my car up to match his
Cheers guys

[Origineelreclamebord]

I've driven a DEX210 in MM4 on clay - not RHR, but I think good enough to get a nice impression of a mid DEX on clay. It was better than my TRF201 (that admittedly had some setup issues), better than a +8mm B4 I drove on the same track (which was nice but you're always slightly understeering or oversteering, there wasn't a neutral point it seemed), and in fact all mid-motor cars I tested that weekend just worked MUCH better imo (X6 Sq, Mid-TLR22 and MM4-DEX210).

I think you should give MM4 a shot - For me it felt magical: The car was lightfooted yet stable, and the rear bite was actually better than on my rear-motor 2WD. It had a high amount of steering yet didn't seem to unnerve the rear end with that - top stuff! The only remark I could make was that if it did lose rear grip it was a bit snappy, but admittedly still less snappy than on my own car!

I know the guy that drives the MM4 210 uses no weight up front, a small spur/pinion combo to push to motor to the rear, reduced steering on the car in general and I recall also drives little anti-squat on the rear. I also know he doesn't use weights behind the gearbox.

Edit: I'd like to add to this: I heard a statement about another 2WD - just food for thought really :) The statement was that the RM seemed to offer more raw pace, but was harder to drive at it's top pace. The lack of consistency resulted in several considerably slower laps each heat. The MM was about 0.2-ish seconds slower each lap, but was more easy to get around, making it possible to hit the best lap times through the whole heat.

All I'm saying is it can't hurt to try it out, and from what I've seen and my (short) experience has told me, MM works surprisingly well. Being that probably no-one drives a Durango in RM in the UK, why not use the extensive MM knowledge on the car for low bite?

[johnnygibbon]

food for thought there
looks like im experimenting with mid motor set ups then
should be fun weekend whatever but a bit of extra grip would be nice to