Durango at the Worlds

[OneKiwi]

Found this pic of someones 210, took a while to figure it out.

Low gear box..

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c338/simonandhanna/td.jpg

Lutz
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c338/simonandhanna/td2.jpg

http://gallery.neobuggy.net/2013Races/Worlds/Day-2-2wd/i-82VjrGG/0/L/EUR_9653-L.jpg

Still the +8 alu chassis thats NOT released
http://gallery.neobuggy.net/2013Races/Worlds/Day-2-2wd/i-VC9vjh9/0/L/EUR_9683-L.jpg

http://gallery.neobuggy.net/2013Races/Worlds/Day-2-2wd/i-FzkFwth/0/L/EUR_9696-L.jpg

Hupo
http://gallery.neobuggy.net/2013Races/Worlds/Day-2-2wd/i-7vkgxGk/0/L/EUR_9957-L.jpg

http://gallery.neobuggy.net/2013Races/Worlds/Day-2-2wd/i-rVk7dhV/0/L/EUR_9958-L.jpg

Current European Champion Joern Neumann said considering the lack of mileage with Durango’s latest prototype, which he only got to run for the first time today, free practice had gone ok. Describing the new buggy as ‘much better’ than its predecessor he said they are still learning how it reacts to set-up changes. Using the last practice to try a different front tyre he said the JConcepts Barcodes gave the buggy understeer and so he will revert to back to their Dirt Webs

[micholix]

Here is one more of Lutz's car!

[micholix]

...and Hupos car, both use the new front a-arms too!

[Danosborne6661]

Nice! Keep us posted if you see any more :)

[ekt]

There are a few interesting new things you can see in the pics from the Worlds, rear arms with holes for front or rear mounted shocks, more shock mounting positions on the front and rear towers.

[OneKiwi]

micholix
The first car is Jörns

[micholix]

micholix
The first car is Jörns

OneKiwi, you are right, that was my mistake!:blush:

[micholix]

There are a few interesting new things you can see in the pics from the Worlds, rear arms with holes for front or rear mounted shocks, more shock mounting positions on the front and rear towers.

Also the slipper adjustmend changed to slipper side, when you look at the pic of Jorns car.

[godofcable]

so are we looking at a V2? Or just prototype parts?

[OneKiwi]

In the text at the bottom of the first post

[OneKiwi]

More V2 news

http://www.neobuggy.net/2013/09/24/team-durango-dex210-v2-spy-shots/

Looks like new:
Front arms
Shocks
Caps
Springs?? Whats on Jörns car, there are a lot more coils.
Slipper from a MR2?? Looks similar
Hex on front? or SC bits there?
Ball cups
Gear box
Rear link mountings like the Tresrey ones
Rear towers of corse to fit the gear box but with more inner holes
LRC RR hanger
REar hubs

[Origineelreclamebord]

Not just that, seems like the rear inner hinge pins are further apart than usual, too (much like on the X6). Also, note the 'regular' CVDs (instead of the captive ones inside the ball bearing) and the different outdrives.

Looking at the finish of the gear casing, I would say it is actually 3D printed, which could mean the gearbox internals (like diff and slipper) are not actually Durango parts yet at the moment...

[micholix]

I found some more pics on neobuggy!

[micholix]

Sorry for that much postings, but i can just upload one pic per post, with my ipad!?

[AfroP]

Bit of a stinker for durango at the world's. Not even 1 car in the A finals

[Origineelreclamebord]

Bit of a stinker for durango at the world's. Not even 1 car in the A finals

It's a bit of a disappointment... but what do you expect when they're running a different rear end on the car with so little testing prior to the event? I'm curious what TD will do now the car (to the public) didn't go that well... :p

Btw, Definetely seems like a 3D printed gear casing there.

[ojoloco]

Some of those parts were already used at the euros. The car at the worls seems to be more 'production-ready' but pretty similar design i'd say.

[CARB]

yes all this belt drive hype and what was in the final C4.2 and how old is that original design

[jaank]

Driving a car that they got a week before sounds stupid.
DEX410 will probably be a lot more competitive.
Joern is damn good on high grip when the car works.

[CARB]

yep you are so right, you do not do your development in public a real dumb assed idea, yet Schumacher did the same thing

[Origineelreclamebord]

yep you are so right, you do not do your development in public a real dumb assed idea, yet Schumacher did the same thing

Testing in public I'd say isn't the issue... it's using a mostly untested car at the Worlds (they would've been better off doing that a few weeks earlier, or even at the warm-up).

There are other factors too - a major one may be that the track couldn't be as consistently prepped as usual due to the weather... Struggling with an untested car is one thing, if the grip levels change in the meantime that doesn't help either.

All in all it's pretty disappointing though: I thought TD could have been in shape to actually take the Worlds, especially after the win at the Euros with a prototype 210. Ah well, let's give them time to further develop the 210V2 so it will be the dominant car on the grid :thumbsup:

[AfroP]

yep you are so right, you do not do your development in public a real dumb assed idea, yet Schumacher did the same thing


Schumacher had the SV2 and the prototype belt drive car. Tom chose to run the prototype.
That prototype looks pretty close to production based on the shell off pictures and article on redrc

[rcjunky]

and the body looks factory as well, a big expense just for a prototype, the same reason I figured the 22-4 was near production ready from the first spy shots of the car. Still disapointed to see no Durango cars in the show, and that no one runs the xfactory car... 4wd should go will for the TD team hopefully, nothing to radical for the v4 car unless they're running a prototype new car/v5

[t8rtot]

yep you are so right, you do not do your development in public a real dumb assed idea, yet Schumacher did the same thing

Amost every company tests in public.. If they had one more round TD, Serpent, and more Kyosho's could've squeezed in.. No better place to do R&D than at actual races. The info they pick up is incredibly valuable. Especially if this sugared track thing starts to becomes the norm..

Only XRAY and losi shy away from testing at competition

[metoo]

Amost every company tests in public.. If they had one more round TD, Serpent, and more Kyosho's could've squeezed in.. No better place to do R&D than at actual races. The info they pick up is incredibly valuable. Especially if this sugared track thing starts to becomes the norm..

Only XRAY and losi shy away from testing at competition


Nothing wrong with being an actual event. I just should have been a less important event. Sugared tracks are not likely to be the norm for local tracks and club racing, which is were most purchased products will be used.

[OneKiwi]

Jörns proto
He said he tried the old car and the new and settled on the new as it was better.
Saying in one of the previous rounds that the old car was too aggressiv and the new had understeer but safer

If and when they release this if being the main word then I could absolutly swap back to the 410

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c338/simonandhanna/joumlrnproto.jpg

And Lutz

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c338/simonandhanna/lutzproto.jpg

[t8rtot]

Nothing wrong with being an actual event. I just should have been a less important event. Sugared tracks are not likely to be the norm for local tracks and club racing, which is were most purchased products will be used.

Although they may not be the norm for us, TD and everyone else has to have cars that can win on these surfaces when the situation arises.

So for the events (the races the sponsored guys will be attending) this is valuable experience.

Also there are pictures on Neo, of the car in what looks a shorty configuration, i.e. like kyosho and HB layouts

[jaank]

Nice to see a new layout in the 4WD.
Putting the lipos so far back looks fresh.

EDIT: I think there might be different prototypes going around the track.

http://gallery.neobuggy.net/2013Races/Worlds/Day-5-4WD-Practice/i-hrmkJbR/0/X2/AT4_1836-X2.jpg

[OneKiwi]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c338/simonandhanna/410shorty.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c338/simonandhanna/shorty2.jpg

[micholix]

I found some pics of Lutz v3 on redrc, have look at the middle driveshafts!

[micholix]

Rear driveshaft.

[Kosmickid]

Nice. I hope these make production. Much more durable/reliable and rugged than the current cvd's.

[rcjunky]

Thats not a v3 ;)

[micholix]

Hello everyone!

Some speculation.... ;)
I had a closer look at the prototype chassis plate i found on neobuggy.
It looks like, the metalplate in the middle is out of different material( not aluminium) than the chassis and with more or less screws you can increase chassisflex!?

What do you think?

[Legacy555]

Hello everyone!

Some speculation.... ;)
I had a closer look at the prototype chassis plate i found on neobuggy.
It looks like, the metalplate in the middle is out of different material( not aluminium) than the chassis and with more or less screws you can increase chassisflex!?

What do you think?

Looks like they were looking for more drive off the jumps without loosing steering in the tight sections. Stiff aft of spur, flexible forward of spur (plastic side pods etc)
I wouldn't have bothered with the esc + receiver opposite a shorty.
Maybe motor opposite a shorty - easily done if you flip the diffs to get the right rotation.
Saddles all the way back, with the spur assembly moved back too and a proper top brace from rear bulkhead to motor mount might have been worth trying...
Plenty of cash spent machining those alloy bulkheads and battery straps.... you'll never see those in a kit box :eh?:

[DEXtrain]

I bet this is just the bent chassis of Lutz - the brace is bent also - they attached it too low . The chassis under it might be a good one not bent , the guy holding it tries to see the extent of the damage/how badly bent it is



Hello everyone!

Some speculation.... ;)
I had a closer look at the prototype chassis plate i found on neobuggy.
It looks like, the metalplate in the middle is out of different material( not aluminium) than the chassis and with more or less screws you can increase chassisflex!?

What do you think?

[triplesix]

obsolete - please delete

[micholix]

I bet this is just the bent chassis of Lutz - the brace is bent also - they attached it too low . The chassis under it might be a good one not bent , the guy holding it tries to see the extent of the damage/how badly bent it is

I think, the brace is good, but i'm not sure!? Because on this picture you can see, that the rear suspension holder, or the bulkhead is between the brace and the chassis?

Edit: sorry, you are right, on a closer look, i saw, that the brace have a non paralell angle!

[Allan1875]

It was Amezcua running the shorty.

[DEXtrain]

It was Amezcua running the shorty.

yes that one is ok. the other one got the Lutzinator treatment

[Allan1875]

yes that one is ok. the other one got the Lutzinator treatment

Yeh thats why he had to switch to his old car.

I preferred the proto with the saddle setup Jorn was running.

[rcjunky]

Is that a date on the seriously bent chassis? looks like 11 Mar 13, so that chassis may of been built March 11th, 2013, so as I suspected a lot of time on it. It'll be interesting to see what officially gets released.

[micholix]

Is that a date on the seriously bent chassis? looks like 11 Mar 13, so that chassis may of been built March 11th, 2013, so as I suspected a lot of time on it. It'll be interesting to see what officially gets released.

Hello rcjunky,

It is "IFMAR '13" what you see in the chassis.

[micholix]

...Plenty of cash spent machining those alloy bulkheads and battery straps.... you'll never see those in a kit box :eh?:

Yes, for sure you'll never see those in a kit box, but i would like to see the metal bulkhead as an optionpart!?:drool:

[rcjunky]

Hello rcjunky,

It is "IFMAR '13" what you see in the chassis.

:( I thought I was on to something

[Arn0]

I was told no pictures allowed during the worlds.
Seem rules are not the same for everyone.

[micholix]

I was told no pictures allowed during the worlds.
Seem rules are not the same for everyone.

If that means me, i've got my posted pics from neobuggy, an official website, with reports and pictures from rc-news, and allso from the worlds!?
If that was/is an special forum rule, i didn't know that!

[Col]

If that means me, i've got my posted pics from neobuggy, an official website, with reports and pictures from rc-news, and allso from the worlds!?
If that was/is an special forum rule, i didn't know that!

Nothing to do with this forum - I was unaware of this "rule"

[chet]

No worries man. Thanks for posting the pics, I'm sure there's no RC police to stop people from taking pics there;)

[Arn0]

Nothing again anyone here gents.
During the event, some drivers/manufacturers asked to not taking pictures of the prototype, testing car or what even you want to call them. It is pretty easy to understand some of those cars are just idea on development that may never see light.

Quick example: the car used by Jorn, Ryan and the Durango crew was definitively a test bench with everything to be defined. It works great on the track (TQ) but will it be produced under any form one day? No one knows and for now that purely speculation which create hope for nothing new.

The current car shows great speed with Ryan and maybe it will be still produced as it is for some more years which in turns will frustrate the customers as they saw something than never get out.

So again, nothing about nobody here: this is more some request at the track during the event that some deliberately broke out in order to show something.

I spoke with some persons and they weren't please at all about some released pictures on the prototype/test car.

[fredswain]

Nothing again anyone here gents.
During the event, some drivers/manufacturers asked to not taking pictures of the prototype, testing car or what even you want to call them. It is pretty easy to understand some of those cars are just idea on development that may never see light.

Quick example: the car used by Jorn, Ryan and the Durango crew was definitively a test bench with everything to be defined. It works great on the track (TQ) but will it be produced under any form one day? No one knows and for now that purely speculation which create hope for nothing new.

The current car shows great speed with Ryan and maybe it will be still produced as it is for some more years which in turns will frustrate the customers as they saw something than never get out.

So again, nothing about nobody here: this is more some request at the track during the event that some deliberately broke out in order to show something.

I spoke with some persons and they weren't please at all about some released pictures on the prototype/test car.

It's going to happen. If you take something out in public, it is at risk of having a picture taken of it. This was even true before the modern digital age. I remember the 1989 spy shots and especially the spy shots of the 1991 Associated RC10 Stealth cars. I got excited. Everyone wanted one. We never got it. The standard RC10 stayed around a few more years before the B2 came out. Those Stealth cars were developmental platforms that ultimately led to the current layouts. Modern arm length and shock mounting locations were figured out back then as they are identical on the B3, B4, DEX210, and other buggies which are all from those old stealth cars.

I for one don't get disappointed anymore if what is spied doesn't make production. Just because something is being tried doesn't mean it's better or even as good. I just enjoy seeing different things and knowing that ongoing development still exists. That gives me hope for the future.

[Jarred King]

I was at the worlds....

Yes there is a V4 DEX410 and a V2 DEX210 coming out shortly. ALthough they won't be the cars that the Factory team are using.

They are based from the current cars but some upgrades and new parts.

The 2wd and 4wd Jorn,Hupo,Travis and Ryan were using were prototypes and all custom parts. They are really happy with their cars.

Although the cars they are using won't be available for a while i would assume.

JK

[Loheswaran]

Out of interest I am curious as to whether or not the new parts will be available to fit my current DEX210.

Frankly - it's no surprise to me that the Yokes and the RB6 did so well at the worlds. I have seen the Kyosho in the hands of many drivers, and they just seem to ride so well - hard to describe, but they just have a certain finesse around the track that I just don't see in other kits.

[DEXtrain]

Funny to read some comments - they just tried saddle in the rear guys- no big deal and if they are smart they will make it retrofitable so i can buy a kit for my dex410 to try too