Xray XB4 2WD #360500

[BentKa]

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[AfroP]

from that pic the shell looks odd.


maybe an option to mount the shocks forward or rear of the tower

[BentKa]

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[Origineelreclamebord]

I'm curious whether they have left open the option to put a diff in the front or if they've actually made a more 2WD-like front end (in the case of a 2WD front end: in combination with a motor and shorty at the back would make front mounted rear shocks more logical, right)?

Anyway, I'm glad they called it the XB4 2WD... much like the post mentions, it kind of implies they have plans for a more universal 2WD, which I would love to see :)

[andoiwebb]

with the kick up on the chassis i doubt whether you'd be able to fit a front diff and front centre driveshaft. the top deck and bulkhead would probably be different. i wonder what motor / lipo layout they've used?

[TARTMAN]

post says many shared parts with the 4wd, so I expect rear will be similar and front different. Hope its similar to the 4wd, as that's awesome.

Might be tempted if it is. Saddle configuration would also tempt me, if shorty then I would re think. don't want to have to buy more lipos.

either way, I am sure it will be awesome like the 4wd.:thumbsup:

[BentKa]

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[suparajicon]

I wonder if Xray will make a new version of this car in 2015 ( or even sooner)...

[skyaflake]

Yes they will :lol:

It's just guessing now, but the quality will be good knowing X-Ray. Don't like the body, but that's something you can work around on. :woot:

Guess the rear will be a lot of the same, front will be different. Maybe some gull-wing like front-arms. More as the Durango has.

[HeavyD99]

I can't believe I'm saying it, but I kinda like the cab forward body on it. Cab forward is here to stay, it took me a long time to like them, but I'm going to get one for my XB4 (4WD).

[hotrodchris]

well the price is out just waiting for pictures and a full spec?

[BentKa]

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[Chris-S]

Surprised there were no spy shots from eos.

Will be replacing my lazer with an xb4, contemplating replacing the db1 I have, just for some spares commonality. I would imagine this new 2wd front end will carry over to the proper 2wd when it appears.

[BentKa]

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[BentKa]

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[jayropes]

is this the DMX body that is also available for the 4wd? or is there another to be released soon??

[SHY]

Getting close now :D

All details will be released this Friday ;)

http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx96/bent-ka/XB2/66786_10200906940462033_1781333282_n_zpsc1f52bcb.j pg

https://www.facebook.com/TeamXray

Bent

Very exciting! Bet it'll be very similar to the Kyosho/Rude Bitz DB1/2.

I find the shell kinda cool! And that paint job is just smashing! :thumbsup:

[BentKa]

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[SHY]

It's tomorrow... :D

Any idea as to ETA on the 2WD kits btw?

I don't see why it couldn't at least be like the DB1 with saddles. Maybe even like DB2 with shorty on one side. But my bet is on DB1 style = most like the XB4 4WD layout. Would be great to have a 2- and 4WD car with most parts in common! :thumbsup:

[BentKa]

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[Kurtje]

I just found this on de Xray XB4 '14 website :)

" The split chassis is compatible with both XB4 & XB4 2WD "

So with saddles like the DB1 :)

[BentKa]

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[mihael]

and we wait :-)

[Fozzy1989]

http://www.teamxray.com/xb4-2wd/

[spennyy2k]

http://www.teamxray.com/xb4-2wd/

[BentKa]

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[Chris-S]

Yeah sorry......what I meant was hoping for a DB2 layout but I think it will be a DB1 layout as the current XB4 ;)

They are quoting shipping to distributors today or Monday so they should be here end of next week probably :D

Bent


http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7720/84ah.jpg

[BentKa]

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[Hofvander]

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7720/84ah.jpg

This version looks better than xrays own Chris.

[Danosborne6661]

Thought Xray would of at least centred the servo.... Peoples homebrews of the XB4 look better than XB2 IMO. The fact the rear diff is actually accessible I love though! Looks like 4 bolts and out comes the diff :D

[Fozzy1989]

Got to be honest pretty disappointing in my opinion from Xray, proof will be in the pudding when they hit the tracks. But to me just looks like they have cobbled a 2wd together without having to create hardly any new parts. I agree that the chassis Chris has modded should work so much better on the high traction surfaces and looks a better job.

[jasonrcb]

Have to agree with you guys here,i was looking forward to seeing this right up until i saw the pics,if i had the choice i would run the car Chris,S has made himself as that will work in all conditions far better,i see xray's car suffering in low grip much like the DB1 did,hence the DB2 to work in all conditions.

[Vrg1]

Well not sure about it yet will wait to see how it does first plus I'd rather have Chris's conversion.

[RobW]

I think it looks great and is exactly what I was expecting – a lightly modified version of the 4WD without the bits you don’t need so £50 cheaper. Just what people have been doing themselves for the last year. I don’t think Xray are trying to present it as much more. Is definitely on the list of “maybe” cars for me for next year but have to agree that if you are already running a converted 4WD XB4 there is probably little to get too excited about.

What is more interesting is the trend of trying to move the weight back a bit (motor further back and shortie lipo) as post above. A previous thread on here was debating whether you needed 3 different cars with different motor layouts (rear, mid and forward) to be competitive. I think the general consensus was no you don’t need 3 cars but do we now really have 4 options to choose from – rear, traditional mid, shortie lipo/forward (DB2/TM2) and full forward (DB1/XB4 2wd)?

Rob

[Skye]

I am disappointed as well. I was really hoping for something with an XB4 rear end, but with a front end designed specifically for 2wd. Similar to the DB1 / DB2 or TM2. This just looks like a lazy attempt at 2wd. :(
It will probably go well enough, but then so do everyones XB4's when they run them in 2wd mode.

[Chris-S]

Looking good Chris ;)

Have you tried cutting down the chassis sides in the front as well to narrow it down ?

Bent

I dont yet own an xray, this was someone else's conversion. They have since cut the side guards down and fitted a DB1 body!

[SHY]

I think it looks great! And I like that fact that it shares 95% of parts with the 4WD. Only thing I find a bit odd is the wide chassis in the front, but if it don't rub then no biggie I guess...

I find the new Losi 22-4 interesting as well, but it's a shame there's almost no common parts with the 22...

What I'm wondering is: Is the DB2 better on all tracks/conditions or is the DB1 faster on high grip astro?

I was planning to have one of this kind (XB4 2WD) and one Night Fox XL for low grip dirt tracks (or in rain conditons) (B4 with T4 chassis and FTW body).

[Kelk]

I was hoping for a little more tbh - more weight at the back etc as the XB4 as a 2wd does suffer from rear end grip issues in the cold and wet.

Don't know what to do now, was waiting on this to make a purchase but I'm a little under whelmed tbh

[BentKa]

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[SHY]

I was hoping for a little more tbh - more weight at the back etc as the XB4 as a 2wd does suffer from rear end grip issues in the cold and wet.

Don't know what to do now, was waiting on this to make a purchase but I'm a little under whelmed tbh

But there will be a rear motored XB2 for that I guess...

[JustARcFan]

Also a bit disappointed to be honest.

I'm going to wait for the serpent MM and see how it looks. My guts tells me that it's going to be a very well designed car.

[neallewis]

I'm not sure why people are disappointed or surprised? The new parts list was out the other week which told you exactly what was different/new/common with the regular xb4. It's exactly as i thought it would be.
It's another high grip only car, so no use to me. I'm sure it will be excellent if you run exclusively on carpet or velcro/astro.
I may give my xb4 a run sometime next summer in this configuration. I did at the end of the outdoor season, and it was junk on our Batley outdoor track. Sure, great on the grippy stuff, but un-drivable on the slippy. Ball diffs may help however?

[Zipper]

Also a bit disappointed to be honest.

Not sure why. They called it a XB4 2wd, so a clue is in the name! It is exactly what they have called it, a 2wd XB4. :lol:

[jlucas]

Watch this space I had a chat with will@team xtreme looks like we will shortly see a vega elite version shorty lipo motor rotated 180deg :)

[Skye]

Not sure why. They called it a XB4 2wd, so a clue is in the name! It is exactly what they have called it, a 2wd XB4. :lol:

On the basis above I just think its a little pointless, they may as well have just left it as the XB4 and if people wanted to run it 2wd they could. I don't think they have done enough to justify releasing it as a separate kit.

[focusmad]

Hi guys,I'm the make of the xb4 hybrid on the second page,I have been working on this car for a month now and found that in the wet that is just as good as another car,I have tqed meetings in the wet against vega's witch are one of the best wet cars around ,the car is going to be run in practice by a national A finalist to get feedback about how it handles interesting Sunday.body off photo not to good but you can see how much work i have done.will try to get a video Sunday so you can see how it goes.
Chris Ellis (maker of the xb4/CE1)

[SHY]

Is the DB2 better on all tracks/conditions or is the DB1 faster on high grip astro?

Anyone know?

[focusmad]

I have seen a db2 in the wet and it is a lot faster then a db1,seen a db2 indoors as well it did look good and fast.

[Woodbine]

So it seems that Xray have just changed the layout inside but done pretty much nothing with the chassis!!!!
Good luck with that not scrubbing on the corners.... You could have made at least some effort:thumbdown:

[jlucas]

Db2 is good in all conditions generally better than the db1 of course depends who's driving

[Fozzy1989]

They haven't even done that, the only thing I can see is adding the front kick up on the aluminium chassis plate and a slightly different shell.
So it seems that Xray have just changed the layout inside but done pretty much nothing with the chassis!!!!
Good luck with that not scrubbing on the corners.... You could have made at least some effort:thumbdown:

[SHY]

Thx guys! :thumbsup:

[andoiwebb]

let's wait until we get to play with it before we judge it. love the idea of vega mucking about with it, xray vega mmmmmm yes!

[Lee24h]

Well they havent even made covers to plug up where the front outdrives should be very disapointed with this car
Just buy a xb4 and the 2wd chassis and your done it shpuld have been a option part not a whole kit

[RobW]

Just buy a xb4 and the 2wd chassis and your done it shpuld have been a option part not a whole kit

Not sure I totally agree. A xb4 plus a 2wd chasis is probably going to cost you £400ish. This is £280. This just gives people a choice if they don't want the 4wd bits.

Having said that and having thought about it for a day not sure they have done enough to make me want to switch from my db1. Chris Ellis' shortie conversion layout would have been nice:)

Rob

[focusmad]

Cheers Rob for you nice comment,will be at torch tomorrow for more development in the wet with my hybrid plus getting another racer to run it in practice.:p
Chris

[RobW]

Cheers Rob for you nice comment,will be at torch tomorrow for more development in the wet with my hybrid plus getting another racer to run it in practice.:p
Chris

That' great, I wanted to see it going again now you have had a bit more development time with it. Have you tried it in the dry?

I am however hoping you do not get too much chance to run in the wet tomorrow - am hoping we'll miss the rain showers.:)

Rob

[focusmad]

Rob have run it at Silverstone and maritime it was spot on at both tracks,as u now Silverstone is high grip with slippery it had to much steering at first then i sorted that out and i found it much easier plus i have a good starting point for next weekend and maritime it just worked great out of the box with no changes (just needs a faster driver indoors lol )
Chris

[TARTMAN]

the new 4b4 2wd version is a temp fix I think, as a cheaper option for those wanting 2wd only, and also an official manufactured car so all the HATERS, of the "its a 2wd/4wd bla bla" crowd can shut up as this is MADE as a 2wd...

the proper XB2 will follow I expect next year.

This just makes it cheaper and official for 2wd fans.......

just my opinion.:thumbsup:

[jaank]

The same what Xray did with XB9E. Quick conversion with a new few parts in the box.

[Origineelreclamebord]

I'm not sure why people are disappointed or surprised?

I'm not an Xray owner, nor was I looking out to buy one... but it just seems to me that a current XB4 owner (that would also runs it as a 2WD) has very little incentive to replace it for an 'official' XB4 2WD.

If I look over the design changes they've made and the flexibility of it's design out of the box (in terms out motor and battery positions for example), then for many people 280GBP will not be worth spending on a car with this few changes.

Plus, if you're an XB4 owner looking to try 2WD too, why not buy the 2014 XB4 and use your old XB4 as a 2WD+spare parts car? :eh?:

IMO I think they could've done more: For example have developed a tub specifically for the 2WD that allows a TM2/DB1 layout with a shorty and a saddle layout like they have now (layout options like that could also have been interesting for their 4WD).

Don't get me wrong, I like the distinctive design elements of the XB4 and I'm sure this 2WD will be a great car, but after such a striking entrance into the 4WD buggy class I can understand the small changes they made to make it a 'dedicated' 2WD buggy are disappointing to some people.

[thorny97]

I'm an xb4 owner since the car was released and have never seen the point of converting the car to 2wd, although the people which have certainly have had success with it. It's certainly cheaper to buy as a 2wd car instead of the new xb4 14 car. Don't forget compare this to other 2wd mid motor cars and it's a fairly cheap car. Ae cars you have to run a separate car for rear motor configuration.

[Kelk]

Having run the xb4 in 2wd config I was really looking forward to something that would address the lack of rear grip with a re-distributed weight pattern or layout. It's the reason I put my 4 back into 4wd mode

For me it's note fought of a change to address its weaknesses in the sloppy months. I'm now stuck for 2wd car that will really deal with the wet stuff as I prer 2wd. The Vega option (should it occur) does sound interesting. The db2 looks awesome but I think I need a lazer and rb5 or 6 and the kit to make it hmm that's a lot of pennies IMHO.

What to do :(

[neallewis]

What to do :(

Buy a yokomo bmax 2 mr.

[gainsy]

Buy a yokomo bmax 2 mr.

+1 :)

[focusmad]

Hi guys ran my xb4 hybrid to in the wet conditions of torch,did loads of development work today I finished 6th overall,the car now just needs a ball diff to complete it for the wet as the gear diff is to direct for the wet,now I feel the car is getting there,had a top drive run it in practice he was impressed with all my work.
Chris

[jlucas]

Hi guys ran my xb4 hybrid to in the wet conditions of torch,did loads of development work today I finished 6th overall,the car now just needs a ball diff to complete it for the wet as the gear diff is to direct for the wet,now I feel the car is getting there,had a top drive run it in practice he was impressed with all my work.
Chris

6th in an extremely competitive field including top drivers.

[frefon]

Hi guys,I'm the make of the xb4 hybrid on the second page,I have been working on this car for a month now and found that in the wet that is just as good as another car,I have tqed meetings in the wet against vega's witch are one of the best wet cars around ,the car is going to be run in practice by a national A finalist to get feedback about how it handles interesting Sunday.body off photo not to good but you can see how much work i have done.will try to get a video Sunday so you can see how it goes.
Chris Ellis (maker of the xb4/CE1)

Congratulation on your job
Have you twist chassis? (for more front kickup)
If yes hox to fix top deck and front bulkhead (possible post pics)?
thanks

[SHY]

Hi guys ran my xb4 hybrid to in the wet conditions of torch,did loads of development work today I finished 6th overall,the car now just needs a ball diff to complete it for the wet as the gear diff is to direct for the wet,now I feel the car is getting there,had a top drive run it in practice he was impressed with all my work.
Chris

OK so it seems the DB2 of course is the best option right now for astro or carpet.

But your hybrid - is it necessary to cut the chassis narrow in the front? With the car being offered now - would it rub the chassis? That's kinda like the only thing I "have a problem with"? :D

[BentKa]

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[SHY]

Thanks a lot! Now I'm back considering the 2WD too... :D

[jlucas]

Just sit back and wait for the vega elite option

[BentKa]

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[jlucas]

Will be laid out like focusmad's hybrid

[BentKa]

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[SHY]

How did/does the Tardis 22 fare in the UK on astro?

[thorny97]

Thought people would like to see photos of the new Xb4/2wd, received from RC Disco yesterday and built yesterday.

Same build quality which I have come to love above Xray Cars.

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff387/thorny97/xb2c_zps5ca19de9.jpg (http://s1233.photobucket.com/user/thorny97/media/xb2c_zps5ca19de9.jpg.html)

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff387/thorny97/xb2b_zpscb62da3a.jpg (http://s1233.photobucket.com/user/thorny97/media/xb2b_zpscb62da3a.jpg.html)

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff387/thorny97/89238beb-ef22-411d-a641-e1d2fdfb40ea_zps9485d793.jpg (http://s1233.photobucket.com/user/thorny97/media/89238beb-ef22-411d-a641-e1d2fdfb40ea_zps9485d793.jpg.html)

[andoiwebb]

Got mine, going to build it for a thrash at silverstone Tuesday night.

[OneKiwi]

So whos driven theirs and whats the verdict?

Anyone gone from a MR2 to this?

[andoiwebb]

Ran it at silverstone tonight and was very impressed. Very easy to drive, and quick.

[Pedros20]

Did you run it with the kit setup on it?
I'm giving mine a run this weekend, on carpet & put the carpet setup on it.
Fingers crossed now.

[andoiwebb]

I had to soften up the front with 2 dot springs & 32.5wt oil & put 2mm down travel limiters in. Then I piddled around with more anti squat & camber links. Forgot to put the rear shocks on the back though, will try that next time.

[Pedros20]

Sounds good. Did you struggle for steering? Be interested to hear how it goes with the shocks on the rear of the wishbones. You running it again this weekend?

[andoiwebb]

Just trying to get that touch more off power initial steering. Will run it for practice at cov on Sunday, racing the 4wd.

[OneKiwi]

I broke my MR2 drive shaft at the thread yesterday on the first couple for laps (everyone was on 2wd) so I removed the drive shafts and front diff and drove it with max kick up I could get from a XB4 and I must say that after a oil change and removal of the ARB front and rear I am pretty happy with how it drove.

Now my eyes are open for the XB4 2WD and a swap from the MR2.

[andoiwebb]

If anyone is suffering with lack of steering on the XB4 2WD, add 3mm washers to the hub on the front camber link - as the 4wd, this sharpens up the front loads. Also use the 2 dots front springs and soften the oil to about 32.5wt Losi, these mods transform the car. If running indoors use the shortest rear camber link for more rotation.

[OneKiwi]

Whats the rest of your setup?

[andoiwebb]

Oops sorry, only just seen your post. When I get chance this weekend I'll post something

[andoiwebb]

This is where I'm at with my indoor set up, it's livened it up a fair bit from the kit set up.

[MeBeMikey]

Just finished building mine. One thing I have noticed is that it's considerably longer than the XB4 4wd. Eager to give it a run on some astro tomorrow. Practice for Sunday racing at Coventry.

See yah there Andy. Sat or/and Sunday?

[BentKa]

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[tomtom]

Nice, I've got a benchmark for my wiring now :thumbsup:

Beautifully as always, and nice to see some new Saddles from Orca (been waiting for 2 years now)

Really looking forward to track feedback.

[BentKa]

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[john333]

I've just built mine and have to say the quality is amazing. Was feeling miserable after having to stop using my tm2 due to the absima let down but I've perked up a bit now lol

[Adam F]

Me too mate :)

[Marcus]

source: http://www.petitrc.com/_forumphp/showthread.php?77790-XB4-2wd-proto&p=570018#post570018

[focusmad]

Well looks like a car I built last year CE1, well a man in a garage development's a car then a company just copes all my ideas, I have been developing this car for 7 month's with no help now finally getting it to work in the wet / slippery conditions as well as in the dry. The car above looks so much like my car I'm running and people have seen it racing indoors and outdoors with good results in the right hands.

[Marcus]

I'm sorry if it is true that it is a copy of your work :thumbdown:

Looks good anyway :p

[focusmad]

Hi if you go to page 3 of this thread half way down photos of my car from last year then you can decide under focusmad

[Jamesy]

It looks like Xray were 'inspired' by the Team C TM2 car to me. That was the first car with the shorty lipo one side and motor and speedo the other side that I can recall seeing. The white body on Bayers car looks quite a lot like a Team C one too.