Winter Regionals?

[woOdy]

Could someone let me know who to speak to about holding a Winter Regional for you guys.

[The race controller]

Could someone let me know who to speak to about holding a Winter Regional for you guys.

Eric

[Cockerill]

Assuming you mean North-East (as it's in this section), I'd say PM Northy

[woOdy]

Assuming you mean North-East (as it's in this section), I'd say PM Northy

Thanks mate.

[burgie]

so bury is now a North East club?

[mattym0310]

bury is a member of which ever region it wants to be, thats if the region wants to include them in the championship.

please dont start another one of these big debates about it. lol :)

[Jez]

how soon before we start racing at your new venue?did you try calling me?any email returned from you know who?thanks jez.

[burgie]

bury is a member of which ever region it wants to be, thats if the region wants to include them in the championship.

please dont start another one of these big debates about it. lol :)

no-ones starting another debate - i was asking for clarification about the situation

[Northy]

A club can run in any region or regions they want to if that region is happy to give them an event :thumbsup:

G

[Lee]

G, has there been any talk of regionals etc, i know your a busy boy, im not asking for dates i was just wondering if they will happen?

[Northy]

They will happen dude :thumbsup:

G

[pugs]

A club can run in any region or regions they want to if that region is happy to give them an event :thumbsup:

G

And why not? the more clubs involved in the regionals the better, more rounds, more racing!!!

[chris68nufc]

I know that the North East of England will be applying for 2 Indoor Regionals so we will have 2 to go to. Maybe some people will think its too far to travel tho. Diesel is still expensive.

[pugs]

I know that the North East of England will be applying for 2 Indoor Regionals so we will have 2 to go to. Maybe some people will think its too far to travel tho. Diesel is still expensive.


yeh, I agree chris some people would not book in for the rounds that are too far away for them, but some would and would be willing to travel, at least if there is more rounds you have the choice:)

[cmgreen]

Does any one know if where going to be allowed to run LIPO's??? We really need to support the usage of them!!

If not i think attendance will be down.

[chris68nufc]

After speaking to a few top drivers from the North East Region at Worksop, im pretty sure that this years indoor Regionals will not be very well attended by low Formula grade drivers. I really dont see the point of doing indoor Regionals if there arent many top drivers there. Whats the point of making the A final if the standard isnt very good? I can accept that if the BRCA doesnt allow Li-po cells for indoor series due to safety grounds then fair enough. At Worksop recently i used Li-po and charged them in my Li-po sack without any problems. I hope for the good of the north east region that Li-po will be allowed. Dont think they will tho!!

[Chequered Flag Racing]

I can accept that if the BRCA doesnt allow Li-po cells for indoor series due to safety grounds then fair enough.

We've had Ni-Mh cells exploding indoors so what's the difference :confused: or is it that there not BRCA approve yet?

Recent BRCA 12th National had a Ni-Mh let go indoors and they haven't banned them, yet.

[Lee]

They are not approved for brca events and and the regionals are brca events.

Sorry boys ;)

[mark christopher]

We've had Ni-Mh cells exploding indoors so what's the difference :confused: or is it that there not BRCA approve yet?

Recent BRCA 12th National had a Ni-Mh let go indoors and they haven't banned them, yet.
what cell type was it (make)

[Chequered Flag Racing]

what cell type was it (make)

Don't know

[wacattack]

How come there seems to be a stance for "top driver" to be staying away from the indoor series this year?

[chris68nufc]

Something to do with the cells they are wanting to use, may not be allowed in the indoor series. Im sure they are more than happy to do all rounds of a certain indoor series that allows the use of these cells. Not fact but just what i think.;)

[dave p hall]

Something to do with the cells they are wanting to use, may not be allowed in the indoor series. Im sure they are more than happy to do all rounds of a certain indoor series that allows the use of these cells. Not fact but just what i think.;)

i think i know which serie's you mean:lol:i was there last sunday:thumbsup:it was ace,so may not bother with regional's either:eh?:i just can't beleive lipo's are not allowed as of now,there uesd in every day consumer electrical good's for heaven's sake.they don't even bother charging with lipo sack's:woot:

[chrispattinson]

I'm sure we don't want the regionals to be poorly attended though, otherwise it may not warrant hosting them??? Then if there's no regionals, it will mean you need to attend the Worksop series for winter racing, which could get expensive.
I was adding up the cost:

1 round of Worksop:
2 sets tyres £30
Hotel room £50
Fuel £30
Booking in fee £10
Food and drink £40
Without any breakages or little impulse buys from the models shop it's £160 per round x 6 rounds = £720

Plus 4 indoor regionals (fuel + tyres+entry+entry fees) £180
Plus finals (£100)

Thats getting on for £1300 for winter racing. Madness for toy car racing!

[Adam Skelding]

I don't think the regionals have been that poorly attended, at least our region puts on indoor regionals. Other regions don't.

As for wacattacks comment on top drivers not attending, if you're referring to Worksop. Most were at the 1/8th rallycross at Pendle, a re-scheduled round. You have to remember a lot of the top 10th guys now either do 1/8th aswell or have moved across to 1/8th totally.

As for costing going to race meetings, i'd still do the North East meetings as they are the best run and best attended. I only stopped in 1 hotel on my trips up North to the Scotland border for this years regionals. Early Sat/Sun mornings and the A1 return a nice 55mpg which beats youth hostel prices hands down.

[chris68nufc]

I'm sure we don't want the regionals to be poorly attended though, otherwise it may not warrant hosting them??? Then if there's no regionals, it will mean you need to attend the Worksop series for winter racing, which could get expensive.
I was adding up the cost:

1 round of Worksop:
2 sets tyres £30
Hotel room £50
Fuel £30
Booking in fee £10
Food and drink £40
Without any breakages or little impulse buys from the models shop it's £160 per round x 6 rounds = £720

Plus 4 indoor regionals (fuel + tyres+entry+entry fees) £180
Plus finals (£100)

Thats getting on for £1300 for winter racing. Madness for toy car racing!

Bloody typical of you that Chris. If my wife sees that im done for. By the way. You dont need 2 sets of tyres for Worksop and the hotel was only £20 each. You have been booked in for the next round so deal with it.

[N7ELA]

I understand chrissy p's point totally. If the top drivers use 3 sets of tyres in 1 meeting then most other people will follow suit. If they use 2 sets then everyone else will use 2 etc. I cant see any benefit in using Lipos yet... And Im not sure about Lipo's being used in every day consumer electrical goods. Lithium ion batteries are commonly used but not lithium polimers which explode...

Everyone with lipos should watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw

If anybodies lipos blew up like that they could seriously harm someone....

[Lee]

Who uses 2 sets of tyres indoors?

i used ones from the indoor finals and they were fine. if anyone used 2 sets of tyres they either get them free or are loaded :)

[N7ELA]

Have you raced worksop before? This year in the indoor nationals some of the A finalists used 3 sets of tyres before their finals. I used 2 sets of mini pins and was about 2 laps down. Worksop is a horrible surface...

[Mike Hudson]

I believe Lee made the B-Main at the first round of worksop! Minipins work really well when they are worn in alot of cases and less edgey than brand spankers

[RcRob]

Have you raced worksop before? This year in the indoor nationals some of the A finalists used 3 sets of tyres before their finals. I used 2 sets of mini pins and was about 2 laps down. Worksop is a horrible surface...


You need more talent, not tires :thumbsup:

[N7ELA]

ouch.....

[Fabs]

Have you raced worksop before? This year in the indoor nationals some of the A finalists used 3 sets of tyres before their finals. I used 2 sets of mini pins and was about 2 laps down. Worksop is a horrible surface...


Then they need to get a life because used tyres work better there than brand new tyres, i can garantee your result wasn't down to the tyres. Last year I made most A's there and used two sets for the whole series.

[Fabs]

well i'd be disappointed not to see any regionals this winter that's all i have to say.

[Lee]

Have you raced worksop before? This year in the indoor nationals some of the A finalists used 3 sets of tyres before their finals. I used 2 sets of mini pins and was about 2 laps down. Worksop is a horrible surface...


I used tyres from the indoor finals actually so they already had 5 runs on them, plus a club night at york and then a full day at worksop. I actually went 5th in rd 1 with them and could of done the same in other rounds but my thum became unbound from my brain, in a spektrum stylee :woot:

I will probably scrub in a set in practice though at the next round as the rears are a little worn now :thumbsup:

[Richard Lowe]

You only need 1 set of tyres per round at Worksop ;)

Scrubbing the tyres on the day (practice) is what I do, I've found if you use a set that are already worn (even from a week before) the rubber is slightly harder and they dont work as well as softer fresh tyres.

The indoor finals were a bit different (I used 3 sets in 4wd) as you're looking for the last few tenths, but if you run wide on a couple of corners or have a mistake mid-run, fresher rubber makes no difference.

[N7ELA]

You only need 1 set of tyres per round at Worksop ;)

Scrubbing the tyres on the day (practice) is what I do, I've found if you use a set that are already worn (even from a week before) the rubber is slightly harder and they dont work as well as softer fresh tyres.

The indoor finals were a bit different (I used 3 sets in 4wd) as you're looking for the last few tenths, but if you run wide on a couple of corners or have a mistake mid-run, fresher rubber makes no difference.


And thats my original point proved... :)

[Richard Lowe]

And thats my original point proved... :)
Not quite ;)

What I'm saying is new rubber makes such little difference, it might be 1 or 2 seconds over a whole run - not 2 laps. It also depends on how much carpet there is, if it was 100% floor you'd want baldies as once the dust is off the line after round 1 or so slicks work well :)

[N7ELA]

The point i was trying to get across was that the top drivers set a trend using several sets of tyres which encourages slower drivers to do the same. And waste money.

I'm not trying to blame my poor driving on tyres. That was down to worksops nightlife...

I simply meant that my brand new mini pins were crap after 3 races and the fact that i was 2 laps down means they should have lasted longer...

[Lee]

I disagree, i noticed no difference in lap times as my tyres wore, if anything the car got easier to drive, it was less aggressive on the carpet and more grip on the rubber as the track cleaned up :confused:

[Chrislong]

Does any one know if where going to be allowed to run LIPO's??? We really need to support the usage of them!!

If not i think attendance will be down.

Good point. I won't be at this years regionals purely due to Lipo not being allowed.

Fully understand that they're not BRCA approved = can't use them. Thats why I am going to the AGM.

BUT how about a none-regional heat for those who want to run Lipo and a secondary championship? As long as the venue is okay with our new,safer than Nimhs, Lipo technology. :lol:

[_sleigh_]

Good point. I won't be at this years regionals purely due to Lipo not being allowed.

Fully understand that they're not BRCA approved = can't use them. Thats why I am going to the AGM.

BUT how about a none-regional heat for those who want to run Lipo and a secondary championship? As long as the venue is okay with our new,safer than Nimhs, Lipo technology. :lol:

Forgive me for butting in on a NE region topic, but one thing to note is that new cells (NiCAD, NiMh, LiPo etc...) are normally only homoligated for use from "the next" April 1st. So should the BRCA EB & 1/10th Off-Road sections both vote positively to introduce LiPo support, then they will only be legal at sanctioned from April 1st '09 (unless an execption is made by the committees. Unlikely, but possible)

Chris's suggestion of a none regional/points scoring class would be your best option until clarification comes from the BRCA AGM.

(please don't take this as i being anti-LiPo, as I'm definately not. Just a little info on how the rule book is worded)

[Lee]

your welcome, X factory brother :thumbsup:

I agree Phil and i think this has been said in other threads. I personally doubt they will be allowed for the indoor finals either because there is no need for them, its not like we have cells going off like we did this time last year, so the new list of cells would not be brought in on safety grounds like they were this year :)

[Fabs]

It might be a bit stupid but do we really need to follow the BRCA rules or can't we just have regionals that don't follow the BRCA rules to the letter, even if we don't call them regionals?

I mean, it's not like indoors regionals mean anything anyway since they count for nothing in terms of formulas etc... So we could call it north east series and allow hard cased lipos, maybe follow the EP list for TC since there is one...

[Bradders]

Are people seriously not gonna race at regionals just because they don't allow lipo's??

What has everyone done with the cells they ran all this last year? :eh?::eh?::confused::confused:

2 packs of cells will do you for a meeting easy.... when lipo's are legal run them, until then run what you had previously.

[bigred5765]

would be funny if more people race in the lipo none regional, lol
i know some have got rid of all there cells and gone over to lipo only cars, well ish

[Lee]

Agreed Bradders it would be very daft for people to do that, like you say 2 packs are ample.

Fabs, Its a BRCA event, they count towards the BRCA end of season finals.

I dont know why people are trying to belittle the regionals rules are rules and we know that we cant use cells that are not on the list before april, i really don't see the problem?

[Medders]

I don't either. Seems the few are trying to bully in the use of lipo. Why go fully lipo in the knowledge it isn't approved :confused:

Anyway, the April rule doesn't have to apply does it. Take the case of the Losi brushless systems, these were added to the approved list mid-year.

[chris68nufc]

Im sure people arent trying to belittle the indoor Regionals but in my situation, i have bought a lipo car and have got rid of last years cells so if they dont allow Lipos then i cant do them.

[Medders]

Im sure people arent trying to belittle the indoor Regionals but in my situation, i have bought a lipo car and have got rid of last years cells so if they dont allow Lipos then i cant do them.


You made that decision even though Lipo is not Brca approved? What happens if BRCA don't approve? Will peeps stop doing outdoor regionals and nationals as well? Crazy situation.

[Lee]

Medders: cell lists and motor lists are different , cells have to be supplied by a certain date to be tested etc, where as motors can be sent in for homologation at any time.;)

[_sleigh_]

I don't either. Seems the few are trying to bully in the use of lipo. Why go fully lipo in the knowledge it isn't approved :confused:

Anyway, the April rule doesn't have to apply does it. Take the case of the Losi brushless systems, these were added to the approved list mid-year.

Motors can be homologated at any point during the year, whereas cells only get added at April 1st.

[Medders]

Medders: cell lists and motor lists are different , cells have to be supplied by a certain date to be tested etc, where as motors can be sent in for homologation at any time.;)

Good point.

[Lee]

I think that people have been very hasty to buy lipo cars in hope they get approved at the agm.

I think the odds of lipo being introduced are 50/50 at best this year

[chris68nufc]

Im a gambling man Lee. At least if i cant do Regionals then i cant be put in a crap heat and then finish with a crap result. Method in my madness!

[Northy]

There will be a NE Indoor Series.

G

[Medders]

There will be a NE BRCA Indoor Regional Series.

It will be run to BRCA rules.

G


:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Sense prevails ;)

[Lee]

Well thats the way it was always going to happen, you cant run a brca series to any other set of rules

[Fabs]

Fabs, Its a BRCA event, they count towards the BRCA end of season finals.

So what would you rather have? No regionals and subsequently no end of season finals, or a series that follows brca rules but allows Lipos and just doesn't count towards the finals which we won't be able to attend anyway?

[Fabs]

There will be a NE BRCA Indoor Regional Series.

It will be run to BRCA rules.

G

Glad to hear that tbh. :thumbsup:

[Lee]

I'm happy to have the regional series to the current BRCA rules, this is what WE voted for this time last year. I really cant see peoples problem with the current rules.

LIPO are not currently brca legal :confused:

[Northy]

So what would you rather have? No regionals and subsequently no end of season finals, or a series that follows brca rules but allows Lipos and just doesn't count towards the finals which we won't be able to attend anyway?

Why wouldn't you be able to attend them? :confused:

G

[Northy]

I'm happy to have the regional series to the current BRCA rules, this is what WE voted for this time last year. I really cant see peoples problem with the current rules.:

It is not what WE voted for last year, it is how it is, and how it always will be.

G

[Lee]

It is not what WE voted for last year, it is how it is, and how it always will be.

G

I meant we voted in this years rules/proposals ;)

[Northy]

Fair enough :woot:

G

[chrispattinson]

I'm happy to have the regional series to the current BRCA rules, this is what WE voted for this time last year. I really cant see peoples problem with the current rules.

LIPO are not currently brca legal :confused:

:thumbsup:

Why is it with this techology change, people have ignored the rules? It never happened with anything else I can think of.

I think I'll run a really wide car, twice as wide as the calibration box, so wide that no one else can get past it on the track, and then, if I'm not allowed to run it in regionals, I'll complain about it, and ask for a ule change.

Madness!

[Fabs]

Why wouldn't you be able to attend them? :confused:

G

lol that was in the case where there wasn't gonna be a regional series, hadn't seen your post when i wrote that. It wouldn't have made a difference if there had been no regionals or a not regional series in both cases we wouldn't have been able to qualify for the finals that's what i meant.

[dave p hall]

I understand chrissy p's point totally. If the top drivers use 3 sets of tyres in 1 meeting then most other people will follow suit. If they use 2 sets then everyone else will use 2 etc. I cant see any benefit in using Lipos yet... And Im not sure about Lipo's being used in every day consumer electrical goods. Lithium ion batteries are commonly used but not lithium polimers which explode...

Everyone with lipos should watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw

If anybodies lipos blew up like that they could seriously harm someone....

oop's:blush:me getting batterie's mixed up,anyhow i'll be doing regional's finger's crossed:p ps,how many people are needed for voting in lipo's at agm:confused:

[Garry Driffill]

At least with LIPO you get some sort of warning with smoke and stuff... NIMH cells just explode and are more or less a nail bomb when they go bang am i wrong?

[Lee]

they do hiss and vent a bit, well mine did anyway, then its nail bomb time :thumbsup:

[Garry Driffill]

:lol: see!

Terrorists wont have explosives OR LiPo's they will have NIMH cells.. - FACT. LOL

[N7ELA]

Granted NIMH explode but ave never seen nail bomb characteristics. Ave only ever seen the top or botom blow off with a loud bang. Would like to see a set go up big style if anyones got any footage... Lipo's are the devils energy....

[chris68nufc]

For god sake, just buy some lipo then you can see for yourself how good they are. Hope you got Worksop entry sorted cos theres 200 entries at the moment! Mostly lipo drivers!:p

[Garry Driffill]

its silly really.. a Battary that can and has an option to be charged in a safe area Lipo sack is deemed unsafe or thera abouts.

Yet! A hissing, exploding, no warning, shapnal firing, inconvinient, time wasting faff around can be deemed safe...

I know what id back at the AGM.

[AndyM]

its silly really.. a Battary that can and has an option to be charged in a safe area Lipo sack is deemed unsafe or thera abouts.

Yet! A hissing, exploding, no warning, shapnal firing, inconvinient, time wasting faff around can be deemed safe...

I know what id back at the AGM.

Go to the AGM then Garry.:thumbsup:

Im sure many people, like you, are really backing LiPo's, but the regionals are run to this years BRCA rules, as they are BRCA sanctioned events so LiPo's cannot be used.

Rules are rules..:D

[N7ELA]

For god sake, just buy some lipo then you can see for yourself how good they are. Hope you got Worksop entry sorted cos theres 200 entries at the moment! Mostly lipo drivers!:p

Who at our club has gone better with Lipos??? :confused:

[chris68nufc]

Good doesnt have to mean they make you quicker. Surely everything from charging and having more time to chat etc should count towards a cell or piece of equipment being good?? I went quicker than anybody when i first had my lipo in my BJ4. The cat has struggled a bit but im sure it will get there. I like the fact that you dont have to spend a load on cells and can get away with 2 packs for the club. Credit crunch you know Neil.

[Chequered Flag Racing]

There will be a NE BRCA Indoor Regional Series.

It will be run to BRCA rules.

G


G

are the dates etched in stone yet?

[bigred5765]

Who at our club has gone better with Lipos??? :confused:

why does it have to make u go better, I'm sure its just the fact its easier cheaper less hassle

[niggs98]

Who at our club has gone better with Lipos??? :confused:

have tried the magical lipos dispite being one of the biggest doubters as dont see why i should have to modify a car to fit them but having run them and dispite having had a problem, they are definatly an improvment, not in terms of power but in terms of consistency, i have personally found that my car has the same power level through the whole run rather than slowly tailing off from start to finish making it more consistent and easier for me to get a good run in. i know they arnt brca legal but feel the brca have not been quick enough letting them into regional events as a tester. thankfully a local club to me has been running them from the start and found them to be reliable to all levels of racer hence me now trying them and enjoying the benifits that they offer...... nice to only need a pack or 2 (as a extravagance) for racing rather than the 5-6 packs i normally need for a days racing

[Northy]

G

are the dates etched in stone yet?

No, but don't worry the clubs are onto finalising their dates for the NE Indoor series :thumbsup:

G

[Adam Skelding]

why does it have to make u go better, I'm sure its just the fact its easier cheaper less hassle

Erm, it's racing! Faster is better.

[mark christopher]

It might be a bit stupid but do we really need to follow the BRCA rules or can't we just have regionals that don't follow the BRCA rules to the letter, even if we don't call them regionals?

I mean, it's not like indoors regionals mean anything anyway since they count for nothing in terms of formulas etc... So we could call it north east series and allow hard cased lipos, maybe follow the EP list for TC since there is one...
cool even tho that does not have saddle pack on it!!

Are people seriously not gonna race at regionals just because they don't allow lipo's??

What has everyone done with the cells they ran all this last year? :eh?::eh?::confused::confused:

2 packs of cells will do you for a meeting easy.... when lipo's are legal run them, until then run what you had previously.
yes for 4 of us and never had em..............

Motors can be homologated at any point during the year, whereas cells only get added at April 1st.

nope the lipo list has been constantly updated

Well thats the way it was always going to happen, you cant run a brca series to any other set of rules

It is not what WE voted for last year, it is how it is, and how it always will be.

G

so what happened when regionals allowed the use of brushless yet they were not brca legal?

[_sleigh_]

nope the lipo list has been constantly updated


Well yes and no.. The LiPo homogation list that has circlualted this year, is for use by the Touring Car Section 'Pro-Stock Class' only, therefore does not apply to off-road. It is, as you say, not frozen to the April 1st homologation date, however that is only during 2008. So in effect, no new cells added after 31st Dec.

So my understanding is, should we (off-road) adopt LiPo then an official EB list of LiPo cells will need drawing up that covers all electric classes, and this will use normal April 1st date to approve new cells.

[mark christopher]

Well yes and no.. The LiPo homogation list that has circlualted this year, is for use by the Touring Car Section 'Pro-Stock Class' only, therefore does not apply to off-road. It is, as you say, not frozen to the April 1st homologation date, however that is only during 2008. So in effect, no new cells added after 31st Dec.

So my understanding is, should we (off-road) adopt LiPo then an official EB list of LiPo cells will need drawing up that covers all electric classes, and this will use normal April 1st date to approve new cells.
yup how i see it, but needs to include saddle packs :thumbsup:

[Northy]

There are certain rules that BRCA regional championships can alter / not adhere to, and brushless motors was one of them.

We will have a NE Indoor Series, don't worry :) Dates are being finalised with a few of the clubs now. Once this is done the dates will be published. Be warned though the first one might be in a couple of weeks, this is needed to fit them all in.

G

[mark christopher]

please those who bang on about lipo being bad/not safe, there are now many lipo users who wont go back to nimh, the vote and proposed rule change will still allow you to use nimh so every one can/will be happy. the lipo fans are not asking to kill or outlaw nimh

[bigred5765]

Erm, it's racing! Faster is better.

i know that you wally, he was saying who at his club has gone faster because of lipo,