British Winter Open Championship - WORKSOP 7/8 Feb 2015

[jimmy]

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The entry form and information for the British Winter Open Championship to be held at Worksop on 7th Feb 2015 (2wd) and 8th Feb 2015 (4wd) was published by the BRCA on 26th November, please follow this link here to see the information, then you can download the entry form:

http://www.brca.org/content/2015-british-winter-open-championship/22244
(http://www.brca.org/content/2015-british-winter-open-championship/22244)
Worksop have a good number of entries are already in so don’t delay as it’s first come, first served!
If you want to come and race at the event then you need to do as it states on the entry form, either post the entry off or email the entry form across to muz@racing-cars.com . No entries can be accepted by just a PM on oOple, sorry. So please complete the form and get your entry and payment sent off either way as above to avoid disappointment. There is a max entry in both classes and then a reserve list will be set up. Please spread the word to others who might not see this.
If you have already entered - thank you! You should have received confirmation for your entry either by return email or through the post if you included the relevant sae or stamped addressed postcard. If you haven't then please PM ‘Muzzy’ through here to look into it for you, it could get delayed or lost in the post this time of year.

Will be a fantastic event, hope to see you there!

www.worksopraceway.com

[jimmy]

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[TMRdevelopment]

Hi what is the format for the day on Saturday

[mark christopher]

Same as Sunday :thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

Link in 1st post. http://www.brca.org/content/2015-british-winter-open-championship/22244

[TMRdevelopment]

Sorry pal I still cant see a timetable or something similar, probably me not looking in right place. Is there practice beforehand etc?

[fidspeed]

usual format is 1 round of practice for everyone (4 min) to get everyone in

I couldn't guarantee this will be the case at the BWOC though

the "natural" rubberised surface is quite low grip though, certainly no astroturf grip levels

great organising team though enjoy it

regards dave fid

[jrenton]

Are there any tyre restrictions for BWOC?

[fidspeed]

Brca info says not but the advice given is schuey yellow minipins
regards fid

[mark christopher]

BWOC is allways open tyres, but mini pins are known to work well

[nottmboy]

Sorry pal I still cant see a timetable or something similar, probably me not looking in right place. Is there practice beforehand etc?

as the event is run to national rules, I expect it will run to national format.

therefore 2 rounds of practice starting at 8am (expect them to be 3mins)
4 rounds of round by round qualifying starting at 10am
followed by one round of finals for all + 3 leg A finals
expect to be finished around 6.30pm

[Lee1972]

Does anyone know if they're any places left for 2 & 4wd?

[Danny Harrison]

Put in entries and cross your fingers is my thinking :)

[learnerdriver]

Sent my entry and payment electronically before Xmas but not had any confirmation yet ?

[brooksy]

You should be in if you've paid. I've filled the entry form in at Worksop today and Muzzy said there was still places available in both classes.:thumbsup:

[sime46]

Few spaces left in both classes we were told today. Filling up fast tho so don't hang around if you wanna go. I've booked and paid for both days today.

[jrenton]

Is there an entry list avail for BWOC. Sent email and payment through for me and my son but not had any confirmation.

[cutting42]

Is there an entry list avail for BWOC. Sent email and payment through for me and my son but not had any confirmation.

Hi John

Muz replied to me confirming entry so worth sending him an email to confirm.

[jrenton]

Confirmation now received.

Thanks Mark

[muzzy]

Ok as of now there are 20 spaces remaining in 2wd and 28 spaces remaining in 4wd. I shall try and keep this up to date so people know how many spaces are left. If you want to book in and race at this event, please do it sooner rather than later. Also the above doesn't include the people that have posted entry forms or emailed them but still not paid, please get paid up! Your entry isn't confirmed until you have paid, so if other people enter and pay then you will miss out!
This will be a great event, many great drivers attending, hope to see you there.

[Ross]

Money and entry sent :)

[muzzy]

Just posted the following on Facebook, please read below:
Very important information for anyone competing at the BWOC event on the 7th/8th February 2015. As you know there was no control tyre for this event, however due to huge concern by many competitiors this has been looked into. The BRCA ruling was actually slightly changed a few years ago and there must be a control tyre for this event also, just like at the National Series. However, the same as the National Series there has to be 2 nominated tyres allowed. As you will read in ...the link below, the control tyres for this event will be the Schumacher Mini Spike and also the Ballistic Buggy Mini Spike for the rear (driven) wheels. The main thoughts behind this, just so you are all fully aware, is so that it limits the amount of possible different tyres options, that could have been used at the event. We had a huge concern that without any control tyres in place, someone could just turn up with a tyre that just works and no one else may have had it to use, our thoughts in choosing these control tyres is that the majority of people will already have them in their pit box, from racing somewhere outdoors during the summer or indoors. If not and you need to buy tyres for the event, the shop on the day will have tyres available for people to purchase. We did consider using the Schumacher Mini Pin as a control tyre, however as this event is ran to full BRCA rules, many of you will find that with these tyres on your car, it would be too wide and fail scrutineering, so to make life easier for everyone we chose not to use this tyre for the event. For people who aren't already aware, the Schumacher yellow Mini Spike used to be ran at the venue and was about similiar pace as a Mini Pin, so it will work well and give you grip. Prior to the event, the different tyre combinations I shall personally test and the results will be made public for you all to see about 2 weeks before this event, so that way you all have a good way of knowing what best tyre combination and compound to start with at the BWOC. Finally, anyone thinking they can attend the next Worksop Masters event just to test tyres ready for the BWOC, please don't think you will be able to do this, any cars without the correct tyres on for that event will be checked prior to going onto the race track and won't be allowed on, we are doing this to make it totally fair and a level playing field for everyone. Please pass this info on to anyone you think might not see it. Still about 20 spaces left in both classes, please book in if you haven't already done so. Hope many of you agree with what we have implemented, we have done this for your benefit and to help make it a great event. Please read the link here for more information: http://www.brca.org/…/brca-110th-road-2015-british-wi…/26694 (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brca.org%2Fcontent%2Fbrca-110th-road-2015-british-winter-open-championship%2F26694&h=3AQFY905G&enc=AZOCU91W9vkcx6ICnh_r9V09X4RL5S2S5Z-H_bZtm5dUj58xXwMdCn4ljGKU-gp9cj1twTVFhrRqudmNqx0MW_uiI2mc8quqyc7H0gMhoKiq2Nz wHXnFWRaVsv-CP823k-ATm2kbCXhIt0C2MvJSMPuu&s=1)

[Darren Boyle]

Isn't this all a little bit "too late" for people who have already purchased tyres ahead of the event based on the entry form they have submitted that states there was no control tyre at the event?

It does not affect me persoanlly since I cannot attend the event sadly, but it DOES affect lots of locals to our area who are travelling up who have spent time and money researching and purchasing what tyres are known to work or are preffered at the venue who have never been there before.....

I assume it wont be the club nor the BRCA refunding these people for the purchases made in good faith....

Very poor organsition on this one chaps sadly :thumbdown:

[neallewis]

Isn't this all a little bit "too late" for people who have already purchased tyres ahead of the event based on the entry form they have submitted that states there was no control tyre at the event?

It does not affect me persoanlly since I cannot attend the event sadly, but it DOES affect lots of locals to our area who are travelling up who have spent time and money researching and purchasing what tyres are known to work or are preffered at the venue who have never been there before.....

I assume it wont be the club nor the BRCA refunding these people for the purchases made in good faith....

Very poor organsition on this one chaps sadly :thumbdown:

It's not like you can't use a set of Yellow mini pins elsewhere is it? :confused:

[Darren Boyle]

It's not like you can't use a set of Yellow mini pins elsewhere is it? :confused:

Not everyone has purchased yellow minipins..... the tyre choice was open remember.

For many, of course yes it will be easy to ue up any extra yellow minipins if this is what they have purchased but for some of those that have though it is still an issue for them when their local clubs only run outdoors or even indoors on astro and dont use them normally especially the front 2wd minipins that have been flavour of the month there recently, when at most other places racers would use a stagger rib of some sort.....

The key issue is though, whether control tyres are right or not for the event, this sort of thing should have been decided upon and cleared up prior to entries being taken and not after it was announced as a non control event and reading some people comments in other places tonight you would think it is an event ran by and for the benefit of just one manufacturer when in fact it is a BRCA sanctioned independant event.

[mark christopher]

Not everyone has purchased yellow minipins..... the tyre choice was open remember.

For many, of course yes it will be easy to ue up any extra yellow minipins if this is what they have purchased but for some of those that have though it is still an issue for them when their local clubs only run outdoors or even indoors on astro and dont use them normally especially the front 2wd minipins that have been flavour of the month there recently, when at most other places racers would use a stagger rib of some sort.....

The key issue is though, whether control tyres are right or not for the event, this sort of thing should have been decided upon and cleared up prior to entries being taken and not after it was announced as a non control event and reading some people comments in other places tonight you would think it is an event ran by and for the benefit of just one manufacturer when in fact it is a BRCA sanctioned independant event.

Darren tour first post says they bought tyres after research of what worked at the venue, then you say some did not buy mini pins? I would suggest their source of research needs looking at.....

[Darren Boyle]

As to research, asking one of the regular top three finishers at most events there what works best at the venue is normally pretty sound advice to be fair. Not sure front 2wd minipins are widely used elsewhere and also what use at any other venue are minipins that people have been advised to wear down to almost nothing in order to work......

At the end of the day it is not me, nor you, that has the issue though, it is the racers who have followed the entry form, spent their money and purchased accordingly in advance to be as best preparred for the event as they can be and they who have spent their budget on tires they "now" cannot use.

As I already said, it is not if a control tire is right or not for the event that is the issue, it is the belated timing of amending the entry criteria that is causing a few racers some concern....

Easy solution would surely have been to add some more carpet or even some astro, increasing the grip levels and preventing the need to run worn tires at all, then tire sales would have been higher (for those concerned about the main control tire manufacturer not making enough money from the event - which to me is absurd), everyone would have grip and the problem would not exist.

As for cars not fitting in the box with minipins on, we ran them at regionals down this way for three years on the trot and every car eventually found a way to make their cars within the legal width...

Hey ho.... it is what it is, but it could have been handled better than it has been in my opinion

[mark christopher]

Darren if they have worn Mini pins take em to the event and sell em to those doing the serries. It they have front mini pins, they can still use them, front tyres are open?

[Darren Boyle]

Darren if they have worn Mini pins take em to the event and sell em to those doing the serries. It they have front mini pins, they can still use them, front tyres are open?

Front minipins with rear spikes, good luck to anyone running that combination.......

[mark christopher]

Front minipins with rear spikes, good luck to anyone running that combination.......

A lot prob Said that about cut staggers on the front of 4wd a few years ago

[cutting42]

I can speak as one affected. I don't race a massive amount, mainly at my local club and BWOC is my first National 10th event.

My son and I have entered and I bought a couple of sets of front minipins early this week to use for BWOC based on my research that I will now not use anywhere I race. Its only £15 and I can still make the mortgage payments but it is a little bit annoying.

[James]

Are they still in packet? Your local hobby store may exchange them if that's where you bought them from, or if you come to worksop someone may buy them for a future meeting, there may be an announcement to help people in this similar situation later on also but personally I can't confirm anything.
We have had several more entries today after the tyre announcement!

[cutting42]

Are they still in packet? Your local hobby store may exchange them if that's where you bought them from, or if you come to worksop someone may buy them for a future meeting, there may be an announcement to help people in this similar situation later on also but personally I can't confirm anything.
We have had several more entries today after the tyre announcement!

Hi James

Unfortunately not, I took them out to fit in my tyre bag. Fortunately they are not glued up so I will pop a "For Sale" sign on my pit table at Worksop ;-)

I don't have an issue with control tyres, just a bit unlucky with my timing!

[Darren Boyle]

Are they still in packet? Your local hobby store may exchange them if that's where you bought them from, or if you come to worksop someone may buy them for a future meeting, there may be an announcement to help people in this similar situation later on also but personally I can't confirm anything.
We have had several more entries today after the tyre announcement!

To clarify, any that we have sold (and there have been a few types and sets), that are unused and still in packets we will exchange or credit accordingly.

Sadly we cannot do much about the ones taken out of packets and sanded/dremelled/worn down in preparation though...

[jrenton]

I too am affected. Based on earlier advice on the thread I bought a load of yellow mini pins for me and my son which are glued up already. Don't fancy getting more wheels and tyres but as entry fee and hotel already paid do not really have a choice.