Team Durango 1/10th 2wd Spy shot

[Jason A]

A spy shot taken within R&D of a new Team Durango 2wd 1/10th buggy has just been release onto facebook. From first glances it looks like it is a completley new design. More to follow as weeks go on i would presume.

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[AfroP]

cool


only problem is they are going to be impossible to get as none of the uk stores are going to stock them due to the terrible parts support and shocking way Revell do things

[claymoreman]

just think on and look at getting parts fro a dex210 v2 now and then think on the events of the past few weeks and the posts new car but no parts I wont be even contemplating durango cars again

[Si Coe]

Front end looks the same, the shiny button is in there. Looks like a low profile gearbox at the back end like the Yz2 which is all the rage right now.

[JohnM]

My guess is it's a MrO 210/410 hybrid that he runs at he Nats & a panicky Durango are trying to take some credit for it & drum up some interest before they're dead in the UK.

[Jason A]

The following information has now turned up directly from Chris Doughty on facebook in the early hours of this morning.

I few snippets of information for you all.


- This car is not a DEX210 (or DEX210v2) replacement
- This is a 'forward motor' car that will sit alongside DEX210 and DEX410
- DEX210 front end but not a DEX410 rear end
- 12mm hex wheel fitment will be included in kits
I've probably said too much already...


Things are really starting to hot up around this new Team Durango 2wd forward motor car.

[neallewis]

who cares... it's not going to win the worlds or a euros as all the top drivers have been binned or left.
No uk suppliers will stock it or parts and it'll be bloody ages before it gets released that the 'fashion' will be something else entirely.
One spy shot isn't going to help the people abandoned by durango.

[NeilRalph77]

You tell them Neal!!!!!!!

Shame it's not a replacement for the 210 v2 cos that was crap and only half the car the v1 is/was!

But still if there's no parts support and no one campaigning it what's the point?

To little to late.

And I can pinpoint the exact moment it all went wrong........ the garbage DIMEC snapping chassis, to many options in to many colours and no development!

410 v4:thumbsup: best 4wd about don't care what anybody says

210 v2:thumbdown: best sell it

[Chris Doughty]

Neil Lewis, Your 'who cares' statement is quite an interesting one...

Typically people that 'Dont care' usually ignore something they don't care about quite simply because they do no care...

Neil Ralph, I find it hard to work out how you can find such a negative difference between the DEX210v1 and DEX210v2, all of the parts are cross compatible so you can use v1 parts to 'setup' your car in your favorite settings.

A manufacture provides a car with setup options and option/alternative parts to allow customers to tune the car to exactly the way they want it to drive.

DIMEC Chassis, if you don't like the way it drives or you find it isn't strong enough then you can use the stock DEX210v2 Alu chassis. (see above in reference to setup options and car tuning)
Personally, I used the DIMEC chassis at the oOple race on dirt because I wanted more flex in my car than the Alu chassis and did quite well with it.
I also used it at worksop a few times in MM config

In my opinion the TD line-up of 10th cars was missing something

DEX210v2
RM - great for low grip dirt, medium grip dirt
MM - great for medium/high grip dirt, multisurface astroturf tracks with concrete sections, wet astroturf, low traction carpet with polished floor, worksop and also on grass tracks.

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'velcro' 100% astroturf tracks
high traction carpet (EOS style)
(a lot of the UK outdoor tracks recently)

DEX410v4
- all tracks, awesome

This car has been designed and developed to sit alongside the DEX210v2 and DEX410v4 cars. Its not a fad car, the design has been considered and refined and we are really happy with the result.

Though my initial reply was directed towards the 2 Neils, they don't care so its probably a waste of my time,
but for the people that do care, I hope you appreciate my honest insight

the RC race industry is cyclical, no one manufacturer stays in favor all the time.
I'm looking forward to looking back on some of these 'Durango hate' threads and seeing 'Durango' cars in peoples signatures.

[NeilRalph77]

Neil Ralph, I find it hard to work out how you can find such a negative difference between the DEX210v1 and DEX210v2, all of the parts are cross compatible so you can use v1 parts to 'setup' your car in your favorite settings.

I'm looking forward to looking back on some of these 'Durango hate' threads and seeing 'Durango' cars in peoples signatures.

And that I did I built the v2 geometry onto the v1 chassis and instantly improved it, then I put the v1 gullwings on it and it was better still so countless development hours and production delays resulted in rear wishbones and a rear tower and very little else I even went back to the HRC, then I put the v1 rear end back on to complete it and sold all the v2 stuff as irrelevant. What a costly exercise!

Look in my signature I still have 1 and love it thoroughly I'll back it to the end but don't tell me the v2 was anything other than pfft!!!

And as for the Dimec I don't know anyone who owned one that didn't break it at some point well apart from Collinson, a chassis that was so good it was quickly superseded by the type B!

[Chris Doughty]

Neil, thanks for your reply, I'm glad you have found the sweet spot with your own car for your own driving.

I do disagree with your comment about the v2 being 'pfft' maybe for you on the tracks you race on you might prefer v1 parts to get the setup you like.

I personally use all the v2 parts (sometimes changing between LRC and HRC depending on track)

But during the development of the v2 one of the goals was to maintain compatibility with v1 parts for the very reason you desire.

It would have been a costly exercise if we were designing you a personal 2WD car.
But we are developing cars for a global market for lots of driving styles, lots of different tracks for lots of different kinds of tires being used. and the v2 parts are quite widely liked

[claymoreman]

the hate threads as someone has called them are not hate threads if you perceive something as a hate thread because it points out facts about a particular brand and there short comings I.E durango and there attrocious parts availability there web site that shows so called UK dealers who dont stock durango parts and dealers who missing and to add another part to the dealer network check out there world wide list and see how many shops on there lists actually stock durango believe me I have and they seriously need to do some major updating of there dealer network. If a brand decides not to support or has problems supporting club racers with parts do we not have a right to put our views out there to the masses of the rc world ??

hobbicos own words parts should be in stores within 48 hours of ordering but talk with shops who have to wait and wait while there customers cars are sat waiting for parts unable to race as a part is broken is in stock in germany but they seem unable to send across the mainland to the UK
these are facts nothing more

[AfroP]

Neil, thanks for your reply, I'm glad you have found the sweet spot with your own car for your own driving.

I do disagree with your comment about the v2 being 'pfft' maybe for you on the tracks you race on you might prefer v1 parts to get the setup you like.

I personally use all the v2 parts (sometimes changing between LRC and HRC depending on track)

But during the development of the v2 one of the goals was to maintain compatibility with v1 parts for the very reason you desire.

It would have been a costly exercise if we were designing you a personal 2WD car.
But we are developing cars for a global market for lots of driving styles, lots of different tracks for lots of different kinds of tires being used. and the v2 parts are quite widely liked

I owned a Dex210 and DEST210 RTR enjoyed them both and thought I improved as a driver with my 210,but both were sold due to lack of part support from Durango and too many changes at the head of the company.

Stockists cannot get parts or support from Revell or Durango and the recent shift they made by binning most "Team Drivers" and sticking to club racers isnt going to help as club racers dont want a car they cant get parts for.
It could be the most amazing car in the world but you wouldnt want to drive it for fear of breaking it and not getting a spare.

Even Tamiya who have no official UK dealer for the 1/10th race buggies have die hard supporters who ship parts in from Hong kong and Japan and can get spares quicker and easier than any Durango driver.

not hating at all
I liked Durango as a brand and as a car, but its hard to support something you cant fix, and even harder to get behind something that has no established "top team" to aid us mere mortals with setup advise and tips.
Schumacher gets this right as, they have loads of team drivers and every one of them pimps the brand and helps other drivers, and it encourages people to have faith in the brand.

Neal's "who cares" comment I believe was simply his way of saying that drivers have lost faith in the brand and it will take more than a new car to bring that faith back

[andys]

Interesting stuff / read.

Most people posting here do or did care, as at some point we all owned a Durango car or cars.
I have bought 9 Durango cars in total - all bought brand new and from my LHS who can no longer get parts... Fact.

A new car is always nice - but it may be too little too late, unless it's amazing - but as Neal pointed out, who is going to show it's potential and who can club drivers turn to at local and regional meetings?

Chris - yes the racing community is fickle - but it's also full of intelligent people who can see when a company is not supporting it's customers. Things may change, but what I see at club level is people moving away from the brand - for now.

Maybe fix the supply problem - issue a formal apology / statement - be honest about the situation and launch the new car?

[honrico Diablo]

I think its funny how people flock like sheep to buy the last car that won the worlds or what ever. So if a car doesn't win the worlds this year its suddenly shite?

So they are having a bad spell for parts back up.... Wasn't that long ago Associated were a US only brand and everything had to shipped. Didn't stop folk buying them.

Durango have been very good the their customers by releasing updated models that are fully compatible with the old. Other manufactures make you buy a new car, not a great business plan, but for me deserves loyalty. Because of this I have enough spares to keep me going for year or two.

I'll sticking with them through this bad patch, as I know my 410v4 is more than capable, even with me driving it.

Stop scare mongering, dumb opinions made by tosspots will end killing off a another RC brand that did us proud for years. Who's your next victim XRAY?

[Chris Doughty]

I was posting here to provide a bit of an insight about the new car, and the development process. I thought people might appreciate that kind of information.

The conversation seems to have diverted towards spares supply which I do not deal with and therefore can not offer any answers to questions on that subject.
I work in R&D, I coordinate the projects and get them ready for production.

With regard to statements, I thought it was pretty clear with the statement that was released towards the end of last year.
http://www.team-durango.com/blog/2014/11/03/racing-towards-the-future-with-you/
This statement seems to have been slightly missunderstood by a lot of people skim reading or by word of mouth hearsay.
This statement is still true, its still our philosophy and still being worked on.

If its read properly the only real change to our race program was that we would no longer employ professional drivers and send them all over the world buying wins and titles.

We still intend to have A-team racers, B-team racers, well supported customer/club racers. this is starting to gain momentum with our 8th scale cars at the moment.
We will start to focus on 10th scale team as the cars get closer to release.

I'm sure we can backwards and forwards all day long about this. but I'm pretty sure none of the people involved with the backwards and forwards debate on the spare parts situation know the full story behind it. I certainly don't.

[Ross]

I think its funny how people flock like sheep to buy the last car that won the worlds or what ever. So if a car doesn't win the worlds this year its suddenly shite?

So they are having a bad spell for parts back up.... Wasn't that long ago Associated were a US only brand and everything had to shipped. Didn't stop folk buying them.

Durango have been very good the their customers by releasing updated models that are fully compatible with the old. Other manufactures make you buy a new car, not a great business plan, but for me deserves loyalty. Because of this I have enough spares to keep me going for year or two.

I'll sticking with them through this bad patch, as I know my 410v4 is more than capable, even with me driving it.

Stop scare mongering, dumb opinions made by tosspots will end killing off a another RC brand that did us proud for years. Who's your next victim XRAY?


:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I was posting here to provide a bit of an insight about the new car, and the development process. I thought people might appreciate that kind of information.

The conversation seems to have diverted towards spares supply which I do not deal with and therefore can not offer any answers to questions on that subject.
I work in R&D, I coordinate the projects and get them ready for production.

With regard to statements, I thought it was pretty clear with the statement that was released towards the end of last year.
http://www.team-durango.com/blog/2014/11/03/racing-towards-the-future-with-you/
This statement seems to have been slightly missunderstood by a lot of people skim reading or by word of mouth hearsay.
This statement is still true, its still our philosophy and still being worked on.

If its read properly the only real change to our race program was that we would no longer employ professional drivers and send them all over the world buying wins and titles.

We still intend to have A-team racers, B-team racers, well supported customer/club racers. this is starting to gain momentum with our 8th scale cars at the moment.
We will start to focus on 10th scale team as the cars get closer to release.

I'm sure we can backwards and forwards all day long about this. but I'm pretty sure none of the people involved with the backwards and forwards debate on the spare parts situation know the full story behind it. I certainly don't.

And again :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Ashlandchris]

I'm going to add my two-penneth, although I speak as a driver that has never had Durango or had to buy parts so have no axe to grind.

The comment about human nature wanting to buy the car that recently won something - yes, that is why it is called human nature. People do like to be able to justify their decisions and pre-validation by following a success is a key aspect of this.
I have read TD statement (linked in an earlier post) and I think that their objectives are great - I certainly made my car decision based on the cars run at my local club as it meant I could get help and advice from people standing next to me in a field - that is essential for a driver such as I. TD was a brand I considered, but during an early visit to a club, I tried to speak to a few different drivers and it just happened that the AE and Yokomo drivers were only too eager to help (thank you to them).

With regard to spares - I am certain that if TDs goal this year is to focus on club level, I would hope that someone inside TD is reading the current wave of negative feedback on trying to get parts and will be doing something about it. It would be normal business suicide to see a clear market need from your customers and then decide not to respond to it. Lets hope it is only a blip, but I do believe it is real as it isn't just the drivers saying it, it is the hobby shops themselves.

We all know how quick a driver is to blame a shop if they don't have parts, so trying to work with a brand that doesn't support the LHS will actually damage the LHS reputation - I can therefore understand why a LHS would try to distance themselves from this situation.

It has been said - it makes no difference how good a product is if you don't feel that you are being supported and at the moment this is the problem. Nobody is saying the stuff isn't good, but it simply isn't available. TD posted a message on their website, making the promise of availability within 48hrs, so I'd hope that someone is now monitoring this to make sure they can deliver upon it.

I will watch how it proceeds with interest as I have a morbid fascination with companies that don't learn from customer feedback AND when you look at the ones that do stand up and say "OK chaps, we messed up here, but understand what the issue is, here is how we are fixing it, let us know how it goes" you typically see the companies that are successful.

New Coke anyone?

[NeilRalph77]

I'm sure people do appreciate the update but like I said it maybe too late after shop after shop and racer after racer has lost faith,

Unless it starts winning then people will flock back in droves, but how will it win without a race team,

Jorn was winning in Europe and people latched onto this we had top ten national drivers and people wanted the same car, Lee's winning with the Yok and I'm fairly sure that's not hurting the brand

Honda and Yamaha spend millions on R&D and rider wages to put themselves at the top of bike racing, there's a sea of yellow and the number 46 plastered all over because Rossi is a winner, I'm sure if he'd just run round at the back or made up numbers for the last 10 years this would be very different, people like to be associated with winning, it sell's product it's not about buying wins its about market share, provenance will get you so far but if you have none and your not winning then your ultimately loosing.

And people need to be able to buy what these winners are using not put off by disorganisation, bad support and wait after wait.

[claymoreman]

seems there focus is not on the current crop of 1/10th cars and I post a quote from there own rd post

We still intend to have A-team racers, B-team racers, well supported customer/club racers. this is starting to gain momentum with our 8th scale cars at the moment.
We will start to focus on 10th scale team as the cars get closer to release.

so until the new cars come out sounds to me that those with the current cars are being hung out to dry with support you do realise by making that statement in your own post how that now makes those people who have bought your current crop of cars feel for me just shows how little the company actually knows there current drivers are feeling does this quote make me want to stick by a brand that does not want to support the current models and the owners of these current 1/10th models hell no to me that statement/quote from someone who works in rd of durango just shows that the company wants to take more money and force us to buy the new and latest arrival when it arrives. HOld on here though we have no support for current models in the brand line up unless its 1/8th but we got a new 1/10th coming out that we want you all to buy and we promise to support that model but they cannot support or deal with the current problems in supplies and it not just the uk that the problems of parts supplies are surfacing instead of trying to promote a new model and promising support for it when it comes out how about the company deal with the problems with the current issues then maybe and I say maybe people will look at the new model with out the current issues sitting in the back of there heads and putting them off. the only people who are killing off the brand or writing it off are themselves due to the current issues and with there own rd making statements like the one that has been posted on this thread.

[NeilRalph77]

But we are developing cars for a global market for lots of driving styles, lots of different tracks for lots of different kinds of tires being used. and the v2 parts are quite widely liked


Please!!! the V2 was blatantly a production version of Jorns car not designed for club drivers, global markets or anything else not a car for the masses just what one man made work well, and the fact you just don't see them anywhere anymore speaks volumes. If it was winning people would still use it regardless of part supply but the fact it wasn't competitive and poor support has killed it.

[Si Coe]

Ironic that!

People only want to buy what wins, but then the V2 gets slated for being based of Jorn's car and not suitable for club drivers.

The honest truth is that although people always want the latest international winner history has shown time and time again that this is not always the best car for the club racer. But every attempt to build a true 'club car' has failed, or been forced to morph into the very thing is was designed not to be.
The original Bmax was a good example of this - nobody was interested until Neil Cragg started using it, and even then people only wanted the alloy laden FT version.

On the subject of Yokomo I sold my FT a few years back to get my first 210. The reason was that Bmax spares didn't exist in the UK - I was ordering direct from Japan. Today Yok's are easy to get parts for - situations change.

I do find the spares situation mostly just scaremongering. Panic buying and sales have depleted the current UK stock, but how many people actually have broken Durango's they can't fix? I doubt its many!

[lastplace]

Love the 410 .but Durango killed the car if no one will stock parts and will not deal with revell no one will ever buy :mad: another simple fix let us buy direct from Durango like the old days:mad:

[Chris Doughty]

I'll keep the replies short

claymoreman - the current cars are not being hung out to dry at all. R&D team has NOTHING to do with spare parts production, distribution or shop stock of current TD kits.
R&D focus is always is always a generation ahead of current production car, this has been the case since forever and I would only assume the same is true for all manufacturers

NeilRalph - Perhaps there is another angle to your ideas. I think Rossi is awesome, but I'd quite happily stick a 46 sticker on a Honda.
I've heard many people say "Rossi could ride a scooter and still win"
but if some upstart rocked up on a Suzuki and dropped it onto the front row of the grid.. OMG how did that happen? it must be the bike!

Lee Martin, awesome racer, won with his Tamiya, wins with his Mugen 8th scale car, switches to Yokomo 10th scale, wins with that too... erm... there is a common theme to his success here... and its not the car.

I come back to my original statement saying "the RC race industry is cyclical, no one manufacturer stays in favor all the time."

[claymoreman]

did I not quote your own words in my post
so by your own words they are not focusing on the current 10th scale
and my point lets sort out the problems we facing if rd can put our points to managment over at durango but seems no one wants to help put our point across or no one wants to step up and deal with the problems that there that is why the brand is slowly shooting itself in the foot and many of us are walking away from the brand if our shops cannot get parts our cars sit on the shelf unable to race due to poor parts distribution to our local shops surely if someone who reads and posts on forums that club racers use and sees there a problem that racers are on the warpath over involving the company they work for surely they can at least push the point ot management or is it I work for rnd so I dont really care about the people who buy what we produce short parts supply poor upto the date stockist lists or point to bad management and point to the same problems no matter what is in the pipe line. People will not support something they cannot get parts for would you buy a reguar road car if you could not buy the parts to service it or repair it when it breaks and with no dealer network ????

[Chris Doughty]

The situation is a very high priority for TD and the relevant people are aware, make no mistake about that!

But as raised before

I'm sure we can backwards and forwards all day long about this. but I'm pretty sure none of the people involved with the backwards and forwards debate on the spare parts situation know the full story behind it. I certainly don't.

Every question about spare parts supply can be answered by the quoted statement above.

[NeilRalph77]

Cheers for the spelling error that seems to happen a lot!

[Fabs]

did I not quote your own words in my post
so by your own words they are not focusing on the current 10th scale
and my point lets sort out the problems we facing if rd can put our points to managment over at durango but seems no one wants to help put our point across or no one wants to step up and deal with the problems that there that is why the brand is slowly shooting itself in the foot and many of us are walking away from the brand if our shops cannot get parts our cars sit on the shelf unable to race due to poor parts distribution to our local shops surely if someone who reads and posts on forums that club racers use and sees there a problem that racers are on the warpath over involving the company they work for surely they can at least push the point ot management or is it I work for rnd so I dont really care about the people who buy what we produce short parts supply poor upto the date stockist lists or point to bad management and point to the same problems no matter what is in the pipe line. People will not support something they cannot get parts for would you buy a reguar road car if you could not buy the parts to service it or repair it when it breaks and with no dealer network ????

First, it would be really helpful if you were to use punctuation. As things stands your posts are an absolute pain to read.

Second you have totally misinterpreted Chris's reply. You're complaining that we're not supporting the current cars and there's no focus on 10th. This is absolutely false.

Even MB Models stated that the parts availability at Revell is not at cause.

However when you quoted Chris on this phrase

We still intend to have A-team racers, B-team racers, well supported customer/club racers. this is starting to gain momentum with our 8th scale cars at the moment.
We will start to focus on 10th scale team as the cars get closer to release.

You are totally missing Chris's point, he's talking about the team - more precisely the recruitment of new team drivers, and certainly not spare parts supply.

We haven't been actively recruiting 10th racers as with the current evolution of cars we felt we needed to introduce a 2WD designed for high grip in order to be more attractive to customers and team drivers.

Unlike what some people seem to think, I find the 210 V2 is a much better car than the V1, which I could never get to grips with. I made A finals at Worksop with it and I'm not a pro driver at all. However last winter I was far off the pace as the track layouts were much more favorable to forward motor cars such as the KF.

I feel the new car will be perfectly suited to the high grip/high speed tracks of late and be more attractive to customers and subsequently potential team drivers.

The fact that we've just released a spy shot of a new car should tell you that our focus is very much on 10th scale, otherwise we wouldn't have a car near enough production ready that we'd show it.

What goes on with parts supply is beyond Chris, Adam and myself and we are not going to comment on this outside of what Chris said - The situation is a very high priority for TD and the relevant people are aware.

Now can we get back to talking about the car and not the parts supply which is another subject?

[Jez]

so,if theres a new 2wd buggy coming,will there be a new short course truck?i love my desc 210.it always puts a smile on my face.

[claymoreman]

team drivers or not a new car in the works but we as people who buy these vehicles are at a point that how can we support a brand with out the back up. a week to get something simple as shock shafts out of date supplier lists this thread seemed to appear out of the mess that the original thread about stock and getting stock. the new buggy is it going to have the same problem we have now of not being able to get parts. It is about the brand if they want to have people continue to support it in the future then the base problems of shortages need to be addressed its all about the availability of getting spares and updates without these no matter what is put out there in new designs if it a good car or not if it has factory team drivers or not if the regular customer has lost faith due to long term problems since the company switched its operations puts out information which we have seen to be untrue it wont matter what rnd say or do the ball has been dropped like I said would you buy a new road car if you were not able to get parts for a week at a time and not have a dealership to take it to?

[honrico Diablo]

I like the idea of the factory 410/210 hybrid. I've seen a few home brews before on here and fancied cobbling one together myself. Also handy if it shares the same parts as the current cars (all my spares will fit). Release it together with some big updates to the other two like new wider (or just wider pods) chassis for the 410 so we can tweak the battery motor positions and provide space for center diff etc. Will help boost confidence again I think. The two have been unchanged for too long now.

We are convinced updates to our cars are the way to go faster and not improving our driving!. Durango keep us fed with gucci new parts now and then and we'll be happy!

[NeilRalph77]

Though my initial reply was directed towards the 2 Neils, they don't care so its probably a waste of my time.

But I do care, I never claimed not to. I wanted more than anything the V2 to be epic but I do fear it was to much 1 man's car.

It would have been a costly exercise if we were designing you a personal 2WD car.

Yeh it was indeed! I had my V2 pre ordered spurred on by the ali chassis instead of the dimec (which I lost money on by the time I'd bought it and snapped it + the shell and paint job). I bought new electrics so I could keep my V1 as a runner, 6months later I was completely disillusioned with racing to the point I nearly sold up and well out of pocket, and that's partly the problem for club racers money! and feeling you've wasted it when something bombs, doesn't perform or is no longer supported (though for me I did have a new ESC which was nice)

if some upstart rocked up on a Suzuki and dropped it onto the front row of the grid.. OMG how did that happen? it must be the bike!

And that's the point exactly if it's got to be competitive to win, even the national boys were running the 410 as a 2wd rather than run the 210.

I hope this new car is a success I really do but it need's to be more than just another car on the grid to get customer faith again.

You'll notice I haven't complained about spares Yet???? I've plenty thanks!

[zienna]

For the people concerned about spares why don't you do what I have done and wait for all the people to sell there cars on the for sale section on this site and buy them problem solved :lol:. I know the spares situation is a problem but I have raced so much better with my DEX410 and DETC than I ever have with any other make of car so I wont be switching just because a short of finding spares. Ive never had a 2wd Durango so not sure how it goes but I hope it brings success to anyone who races it. A new release from Durango is always a good thing and a great car :)

[Al3xis007]

Wow what a read.
Thank you for releasing a picture of the car Chris, the more cars and manufacturers the better in my eyes.

[fredswain]

Although I'm in the US, Durango isn't carried by any shops here in Houston, where I live. If you want local parts support you've got 3 manufacturer options. Associated, Losi, and Traxxas. Even then I've got to travel 40 miles to a shop that carries anything other than Traxxas. As such I order almost everything online. I have had no problems obtaining Durango parts when I've needed them. Our 1/10 track doesn't even have a shop tied to it so if anyone breaks there and doesn't already have a spare on hand, they are done for the day.

I admit to liking the V1 version of the 210 better than the V2 as well but there are many that disagree with me. I actually run a hybrid of them. I run the V1 chassis, shocks, and rear tower, but run the V2 front arms and a special slightly taller front tower. I use the V2 gearbox case and gear diff. I also only run this car in MM3 or RM3 since I can't stand MM4 on any car.

I personally don't care about results at world level races. They are relevant to exactly no one but the people actually racing, much like a McLaren or Ferrari victory in an F1 race has no relevance to me. From a pure geometry standpoint, the TLR22 is technically superior to the Associated cars, which btw have kept the exact same suspension geometry for the past 20 years. So much for "new". Their cars win. AE does typically hire the best drivers. They can afford to! Incidentally the 210 shares the AE suspension geometry so design isn't an issue.

Being able to afford drivers is the key. I see complaints that Durango isn't paying for the elite world's level drivers so they must not be relevant. However, that doesn't seem to matter since when they were paying for them people were still complaining that they won't use them because of parts availability. That's the true source of the issue, parts availability. It's being stated again in this thread. They didn't have the money for parts because they were paying big bucks for drivers.

At some point you need to press control, alt, delete and completely reset. Dump those guys for now, since it doesn't seem to be helping, and put that money back into the company. They've been doing that. They've started with 1/8 scale. That's a big scale here in the US and sales and feedback about them have been great. More people are going to Durango here. They don't have a huge building with 100 engineers and designers in it to work on every product at once. They started with 1/8 scale and will then move on to 1/10 scale. The problem for the hobbyists is that there are people that want 1/10 now, or onroad now, or a new 2WD sct now, and they feel they are being left out to dry since they aren't getting it at this exact moment. These guys can only do so much at once. They have prioritized and 1/10 2WD wasn't first. You start a project and work it through to completion before moving on. That's good business. If you try to do everything at once, you finish nothing. As a person in engineering, I can absolutely assure you that their re-organization is a positive thing.

There are plenty of competitors vehicles to choose from. Arguing here is pointless when you could just easily go buy an alternative. Shut up and go do it! Then stick to their threads. From this picture, it should be obvious that they've moved on to 2wd 1/10 scale. This is a sign of progress. Arguing with an R&D guy about sales and parts support, a department he has no role in, is an exercise in futility. You should be thankful that someone from the inside is even divulging anything at all!

Is Durango perfect? Nope. They've had their issues and they know it. They are clearly trying to get things fixed though and what they've done so far has been a very positive sign of things to come. They just can't fix it all at once.

[claymoreman]

again it is said they concentrating on 1/8th. Our point is what is the point of designing a new vehicle to race in whatever scale when the parts issue will continue to raise its head. The issue should be a priority no matter what department they work in to sort out as a racer you have said no one stocks parts so you have to order long distance unlike we had shops local supplying but have pulled out due to the companies inability to sort out a simple and most important part of any company distribution. NO parts in shops people will buy other manufacturers cars which impacts on the company in question as a whole less people buying there products means job cuts so it will filter down or up the line be it the distribution centres which are not doing there job to the rnd department. SO saying to people go buy other manufacturers parts is a real good thng to say to which you will end up having to do the same when the company finally bites the bullet and all those people who work there dont have jobs because a part of the company cannot be sorted out. many of us are selling up our durangos and switching to a manufacter that can supply parts to our stores.

So to say it has nothing to do with r n d of a company when there job is on the line within that company as people dump there product is inaccurate to say the least shops and racers will only stick with a brand for so long giving them time to sort out supply problems but when companies say one thing and you know shops who are well respected in the sport say well how come I been waiting 5 weeks for an order of parts and have a manager stand in there store saying they will be here within 72 hours and they still do not turn up leaving customers frustrated to the point they do go buy another brand of vehicle then its only the brand that suffers.

I will re itterate my question I have posted that people havent either read or able to respond to
would you buy a road vehicle with the knowledge of not being able to get parts or a dealer network?
and yet durango continue to expect people to buy there brand with both these problems as shops(dealers pull out)

[Stickygeko]

Thanks for the read guys, interesting.

I used to race an rc10 gold tub back when I was a boy. Having been out of racing for 15years and my son taking an interest I visited a local track, spoke to a few of the top guys there and was advised to get the 210 RTR, great price at MB 160ish. at our local theres about 6 of them so parts werent an issue. to go with my lads 210 RTR i bought a 2nd hand v1.

If anything broke theres plenty of people to nab parts off and Ive never had an issue getting parts. My lad proke the rear hing pin holder but being plastic its understandable... his own fault, but he then broke his chassis at the front, where it kicks up. I called durango or revell... whoever the uk guys are, they immediately send a new v2 RTR chassis, bulk head and front tower for free. couldnt fault their customer service.

Ive aquired lots of parts over the 8months or so but with the announcement MB and inside werent going to hold any more parts I decided to get my son a b5m and can walk into my local and pick up any part he needs, Ive since bought myself a b5m and have both really improved.

the 210 was great, loved it to be honest. Im going to be selling both very shortly but if a new 210 were to come out id definiately have a look, but id only be tempted to buy if they sort the parts out

With respect to recruiting 1/10 drivers i had mailed TD about it as my lads getting better each week, won his final at Bury in the regionals last week, then won his final this sunday too ( Hayden-Lewis :) ) . AE are taking an interest and have a junior programme... for me the youngsters need the encouragement as theyre the future of the sport... disappointed TD didnt get back to us

Alas rant over - sort it out TD

[fredswain]

again it is said they concentrating on 1/8th. Our point is what is the point of designing a new vehicle to race in whatever scale when the parts issue will continue to raise its head. The issue should be a priority no matter what department they work in to sort out as a racer you have said no one stocks parts so you have to order long distance unlike we had shops local supplying but have pulled out due to the companies inability to sort out a simple and most important part of any company distribution. NO parts in shops people will buy other manufacturers cars which impacts on the company in question as a whole less people buying there products means job cuts so it will filter down or up the line be it the distribution centres which are not doing there job to the rnd department. SO saying to people go buy other manufacturers parts is a real good thng to say to which you will end up having to do the same when the company finally bites the bullet and all those people who work there dont have jobs because a part of the company cannot be sorted out. many of us are selling up our durangos and switching to a manufacter that can supply parts to our stores.

So to say it has nothing to do with r n d of a company when there job is on the line within that company as people dump there product is inaccurate to say the least shops and racers will only stick with a brand for so long giving them time to sort out supply problems but when companies say one thing and you know shops who are well respected in the sport say well how come I been waiting 5 weeks for an order of parts and have a manager stand in there store saying they will be here within 72 hours and they still do not turn up leaving customers frustrated to the point they do go buy another brand of vehicle then its only the brand that suffers.

I will re itterate my question I have posted that people havent either read or able to respond to
would you buy a road vehicle with the knowledge of not being able to get parts or a dealer network?
and yet durango continue to expect people to buy there brand with both these problems as shops(dealers pull out)

OK got it. Hobby shops not being able to stock parts causes those hobby shops to close and for the people working there to lose their jobs which leads to higher national unemployment numbers and ultimately countries to go bankrupt. You learn something everyday. :rolleyes:

Comparing a full sized car company to an rc car is just plain and simple, asinine. Parts support is just fine here with their new 1/8 scale products and feedback on the performance has been fantastic. I'm not even speaking as a person that owns one of the new vehicles since I don't. For what I do own, I've never had a single issue ever getting what I needed. They can only fix one product line at a time. It's simple business. Work on one thing until it's done or work on everything and fix nothing.

You clearly don't like Durango and have problems with them. Why not go somewhere else? How hard is that? Get rid of what you've got and get something else. I don't see the problem. It's elementary school level logic.

[claymoreman]

got to love someone who comments saying comparing one thing to another is assanign without answering the question, or is it this simple that you wouldnt. Any company that needs distribution of parts no matter what field it is in does not last long with out this distribution parts stuck in a warehouse not being shipped is the problem so if they need to sort one thing out as and sensible company that to me would be the first thing to sort out before as a brand they distance themselves from the club racers. I dont have a problem with the brands products seen as I actually own one but how can I support the brand if they unable to support me as a racer with parts that we all know they have in stock in a warehouse but take weeks to be shipped to shops or shops cancel orders due to the length of time it takes to get parts from the warehouse to the shops where we can buy the parts as we cannot order direct from the warehouse as this would not be financially viable. If I ran my business the same way I would not be in business as niether would many other companies around the world. obviously you didnt read the post as it wasnt about model shops going out of business more on the fact that as people desert a brand and move to another the brand in question pays the price

[Si Coe]

It sounds like the problems are very much specific to the UK though. Not great if you are a UK racer true, but significant when we are talking the future of the brand full stop.

The fact is that parts exist, they just aren't getting to UK shops. But they can be bought elsewhere. Of course it would be better to not have to order from abroad but thats how it is.

Durango have a track record of only being able to do one thing at a time. Whenever a new model comes out spares and support for their other models dips.

[micholix]

Dear Gentleman,

Could we please go back to topic in this thread?;)

I like the look of the car and would like to have more informations about it! Hint!!!

[Haldenby81]

Oh dear god ye all carrying on like a bunch of kids... Iv hit walls at tracks at full speed and bounced off with no damage bounced off and carried on Iv been rear ended by 1/8ths at full speed and the 1/8th was the one to break not my rtr 210 so if your breaking them u must be doing something wrong... The only thing I have managed to do and it was my own stupid fault was over tighten the back two screws on the chassis and went right threw the plastic doh ... Lucky tho I had already got the v2... Which for me is a almost better than the rtr which was my first 10th scale to get me going... I'd love a new chassis for it ...

Bring on the more details of the new 10th and some possible dates yes please

[Jason A]

Dear Gentleman,

Could we please go back to topic in this thread?;)

I like the look of the car and would like to have more informations about it! Hint!!!


I am sure there will be more to follow soon ;)

[micholix]

I am sure there will be more to follow soon ;)

I'm looking forward to!:drool:

[Ross]

I am sure there will be more to follow soon ;)

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[micholix]

I hope, it has an layout, like the yz-2, but it also could be the new desc10 rear drive line?

What do you think?

[Fabs]

I hope, it has an layout, like the yz-2, but it also could be the new desc10 rear drive line?

What do you think?

I can tell you it's not based on the DESC10. That would make for a very heavy buggy.

[micholix]

I can tell you it's not based on the DESC10. That would make for a very heavy buggy.

You are right Fabs, it would be to heavy!
Hopefully we'll see soon....:blush:

[fletcher]

Had a chat with the mighty man Chris himself at the euros warm up and judging by his words the guys at Durango are doing there best so give the man a break.

[micholix]

Any further news from the new car, for the puplic?:)

[dex210Nick]

One quick glance and I'm already hugely disappointed in this design. Look at the front wheels. BEARINGS?!?! Even after IFMAR has mandated 12mm hexes, TD has still not caught up with everyone else in providing front/rear 12mm hexes. Hopefully it doesn't make it into production like that. That's just shooting yourself in the foot in today's market.

[micholix]

One quick glance and I'm already hugely disappointed in this design. Look at the front wheels. BEARINGS?!?! Even after IFMAR has mandated 12mm hexes, TD has still not caught up with everyone else in providing front/rear 12mm hexes. Hopefully it doesn't make it into production like that. That's just shooting yourself in the foot in today's market.

Nick, have a look at this post from jason!:)

http://www.oople.com/forums/showpost.php?p=914630&postcount=6

[dex210Nick]

Good to hear the new one will have 12mm hexes, but I'd rather have a 12mm hex solution and a few other updates to the current buggy before releasing a new one. Plus, I question the strategy of creating a whole new car they will have to support when they have enough trouble supporting their current stable as it is.

[fredswain]

Since this car will use the DEX210 front end, any hex solution when the car comes out will also automatically apply to the 210 as well.

[stegger]

Chris's 2wd cars from the Euro's last week. Too me the rear of the chassis looks the same as the New 4wd proto and has no rear kick-up ! He did revert to the original 2wd car after practice to good effect.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a207/cheshiremodelcars/11807094_10153101717273129_3863658677306401932_o_z psbrumv4ib.jpg

[dex210Nick]

Since this car will use the DEX210 front end, any hex solution when the car comes out will also automatically apply to the 210 as well.

I would fear their solution to the front hex issue would be what they have on the dest210, which gives you front hexes at the expense of the trailing/inline adjustment.

[brooksy]

I like the idea of the factory 410/210 hybrid. I've seen a few home brews before on here and fancied cobbling one together myself. Also handy if it shares the same parts as the current cars (all my spares will fit). Release it together with some big updates to the other two like new wider (or just wider pods) chassis for the 410 so we can tweak the battery motor positions and provide space for center diff etc. Will help boost confidence again I think. The two have been unchanged for too long now.

We are convinced updates to our cars are the way to go faster and not improving our driving!. Durango keep us fed with gucci new parts now and then and we'll be happy!

I saw Adan Skeldings car at the A1 regional this last weekend and it has a 410 rear end on it by the look of it!. Went really well:thumbsup:

[fredswain]

I would fear their solution to the front hex issue would be what they have on the dest210, which gives you front hexes at the expense of the trailing/inline adjustment.

I agree that's a concern, and the B5 or 22 solution might be a better option from a design standpoint. I've spent lots of time playing with the front of my car and after running exclusively inline out of years of tradition since that's the way I've always run my cars, I finally played with trailing and looking at what it did to the roll rate of the chassis in a static situation and determined that 3mm - 4mm trailing works quite well. I think I'm currently running 4mm. Being limited here doesn't really bother me.

[micholix]

Quit a few days ago, since someone posted here!

Any further news from the new 1/10 scale car(s)?