New DEX210F Team Durango - IFMAR Electric Offroad Worlds

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IFMAR Electric Offroad Worlds - 2wd New DEX210F Team Durango

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[Souch 102]

Hopefully the dex210F is realeased this year:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[neallewis]

Hopefully the dex210F is realeased this year:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Just make your own. Amezcua has.

[Chris Doughty]

Just make your own. Amezcua has.

I'm impressed with Travis' scratchbuilding skills if that's home-made! :rolleyes:
He has managed to make a car that looks exactly like the car I'm doing the instruction manual for right now.

a serious answer for those interested...

the DEX210F is a DEX210v2 front end with an all-new chassis and all-new rear end design/geometry.
The layout was chosen because we think this is the best option for the big-picture range of TD products and also based for performance on high-traction tracks.
I think Tebo choosing the shaft car after testing laydown and shaft car really goes a long way to back up that choice

This is not a special car made for the worlds, this is a car made and designed for production and performance on medium grip Carpet and high grip Astroturf tracks all around the world

This car is the first of the next generation of TD cars which have shown their worth quite recently

[Ross]

I'm impressed with Travis' scratchbuilding skills if that's home-made! :rolleyes:
He has managed to make a car that looks exactly like the car I'm doing the instruction manual for right now.

a serious answer for those interested...

the DEX210F is a DEX210v2 front end with an all-new chassis and all-new rear end design/geometry.
The layout was chosen because we think this is the best option for the big-picture range of TD products and also based for performance on high-traction tracks.
I think Tebo choosing the shaft car after testing laydown and shaft car really goes a long way to back up that choice

This is not a special car made for the worlds, this is a car made and designed for production and performance on medium grip Carpet and high grip Astroturf tracks all around the world

This car is the first of the next generation of TD cars which have shown their worth quite recently


Looks good Chris, good job by you and the team :thumbsup:

[neallewis]

I'm impressed with Travis' scratchbuilding skills if that's home-made! :rolleyes:
He has managed to make a car that looks exactly like the car I'm doing the instruction manual for right now.



Fair enough Chris, it was all the counter sunk holes drilled... and the 4wd rear/2wd front end, and easy to cut angles that made my untrained eye thing it was home made. I guess the chassis stiffeners give it away though.

Good point about the format, its working for Tebo (compared with the (new) other kyosho car Naoto is using), and I dare say that Ty Tessman would be in a better place if he was running Richard Lowe's D413/B5m cut'n'shut along the same lines.

Good luck with it. :thumbsup:

[Souch 102]

I'm currently running two dex210s one with a 8mm chassis. I was going to upgrade to the dex210v2 but i think i will wait and see what come's out of the Team Durango stable.:thumbsup:

[NeilRalph77]

Is there an infill piece to close the open area between the chassis cradle and the angle the rear of the chassis is cut at, right below the ESC and lipo?

Is this the car that was used at the Invernational? I never got chance to have a look.

[Mark240973]

Looks very similar to the RB6 shaft drive version that Tebo is running and thats working pretty good too.

Out of interest why is the shaft drive better than say a 3 gear or 4 gear tranny on astro turf. .

....and with the Cougar KF2 orlowski is running its very similar layout but belt drive is that a middle ground between the two extremes or worst still than a shaft.

Its all very interesting since I used to run a TC3 years ago when I gave up and everyone said (torque steer etc = belt is better)

[rcjunky]

Any reason the nose looks so fat? I see no reason it can't be slimmed up a bit, there's a lot of empty space up front.

[ekt]

Judging from all the countersunk holes, the extra space up front could be for an alternate motor configuration with saddle packs.

[Adam Skelding]

Judging from all the countersunk holes, the extra space up front could be for an alternate motor configuration with saddle packs.

Awwww
Shucks!
:thumbsup:

[Haldenby81]

I'm in lust... How long before I can get my hands on one? Chris be a man and give me urs ;) haha

[corsa148]

Is this replacing the 210v2 or running alongside it??

[Chris Doughty]

The DEX210 (MM/RM) 2WD platform will still remain current and be developed. the DEX210F will run along side that car as the focussed medium-high traction 2WD car.

Can't give any details on release dates yet, first news on those (and ore details on the car) will come via www.team-durango.com website

This is a VERY exciting new car, A lot of time, thought, effort and development has gone into this car. One of the optional layouts has been seen before, but hasn't that always been the case? (rear motor stick pack 2WD cars, the first mid-motor 2WD cars)
The performance comes from the details and tuneability of the car, the features that the car has to allow you to get the car working the way YOU want it to.
The DEX210F has these kind of useful features.

(Yes it was the same car that myself and James Ambrose used at oOple race)
Interestingly too, I used the car in 2 rounds of practise at the Euros on dirt and my best lap was actually better with the DEX210F. But it was too risky to run the car if the track lost traction. (the track had polished in previous events and I was concerned that would happen again - it didn't, it gained grip! haha)

Finally, regarding the toqrue steer, I think with brushless motors the rotor is far lighter than the armatures used to be from brushed motors. I think any effect is far less with the brushless generation.

[the magician]

It would be nice to see that rear end configuration in the 4wd buggy.:p Bruce C.

[rcjunky]

I believe thats exactly what the v5 is ;)

[fil9144]

The DEX210 (MM/RM) 2WD platform will still remain current and be developed. the DEX210F will run along side that car as the focussed medium-high traction 2WD car.

Can't give any details on release dates yet, first news on those (and ore details on the car) will come via www.team-durango.com website

This is a VERY exciting new car, A lot of time, thought, effort and development has gone into this car. One of the optional layouts has been seen before, but hasn't that always been the case? (rear motor stick pack 2WD cars, the first mid-motor 2WD cars)
The performance comes from the details and tuneability of the car, the features that the car has to allow you to get the car working the way YOU want it to.
The DEX210F has these kind of useful features.

(Yes it was the same car that myself and James Ambrose used at oOple race)
Interestingly too, I used the car in 2 rounds of practise at the Euros on dirt and my best lap was actually better with the DEX210F. But it was too risky to run the car if the track lost traction. (the track had polished in previous events and I was concerned that would happen again - it didn't, it gained grip! haha)

Finally, regarding the toqrue steer, I think with brushless motors the rotor is far lighter than the armatures used to be from brushed motors. I think any effect is far less with the brushless generation.

I think it looks a fair car lots of space and that was one I lacked with my db2

Be interesting to see it at club level

[Souch 102]

Has anyone heard any more about the DEX210f release yet???

[Jason A]

The first thing that will happen is the kit page on http://www.team-durango.com/ will go live after that any offical dates will be released.

Its an exciting new platform for Team Durango and is going to be great for astro and carpet tracks.

[mickru]

Hi Chris,

as you say the Dex210f has the Dex210 front. I own a Dex210v2 and have problems breaking the front wishbones frequently on this track: https://youtu.be/jdvaMDbIsi8
Its indoors, but cold. Track is on concrete with 2-3 layers of carpet. If you fail to land on wheels after a jump, or you miss the carpet the wishbone is sure to break.
I love the Dex and would like to continue to run it, but get frustrated over this as my friends running other brands do not have the stability issue.
My question is, have the wishbones improved for the 210f, and will they fit my Dex210v2?
For the Dex210v3, will I be able to use those wishbones once the car comes out?

I'm looking so much for a more robust solution to not constantly have to think about not breaking stuff on the car.

Hope you can share some information on this.

Thank you.

Regards,
Michael

[micholix]

Hi Chris,

as you say the Dex210f has the Dex210 front. I own a Dex210v2 and have problems breaking the front wishbones frequently on this track: https://youtu.be/jdvaMDbIsi8
Its indoors, but cold. Track is on concrete with 2-3 layers of carpet. If you fail to land on wheels after a jump, or you miss the carpet the wishbone is sure to break.
I love the Dex and would like to continue to run it, but get frustrated over this as my friends running other brands do not have the stability issue.
My question is, have the wishbones improved for the 210f, and will they fit my Dex210v2?
For the Dex210v3, will I be able to use those wishbones once the car comes out?

I'm looking so much for a more robust solution to not constantly have to think about not breaking stuff on the car.

Hope you can share some information on this.

Thank you.

Regards,
Michael

Hi Michael,

Where exactly does the arms break?
Have you tried boiling them?

[mickru]

Hi,

boiling? OMG - have never heard something like that. No I never did something like that.
It always breaks right before the cross arm with the droop screw. See this picture: https://goo.gl/photos/UJvsQimfKq9KS2498
Nobody else having this issue?

Regards,
Michael

[micholix]

Yes, i've often read over on rctech, that some people do boil the plastic parts for a couple of minutes, to make them a little softer.
Not exactly sure, but if i remember correctly, they put them into hot water for about 5-10 minutes, but the water should not bubble...

[mickru]

wow... everyday learning something new. Well I give it a shot. Maybe it works. Would still be cool if Team Durango would add some material in this area for the next revision of the wishbones ...

[Stevebolt]

Remember 25 years ago that it was advised to boil the plastics to de stress them

[arceye]

Mickru, have u tried using the gullwing style wishbones instead ?http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php/spares/team-durango/dex210/suspension-arms-front-1-pair-left-right.html#&ui-state=dialog
Use them on my 210 and haven't broken one in months and I'm a newby driver, so have my fair share of big accidents!

[mattr]

Thing going from gullwing to straight (or Vice Versa) requires you to replace half the suspension........ as the lower mounts for the shocks are in a different place.

[micholix]

wow... everyday learning something new. Well I give it a shot. Maybe it works. Would still be cool if Team Durango would add some material in this area for the next revision of the wishbones ...

Yes, i always boiled my v1 HD ball ends, with great sucess...
Tell us, ifit did work for you, too.

[mickru]

Thanks for all the support and ideas here :-)
I will boil the front arms / wishbones tonight. I plan to race the Dex Saturday night. I will post if I was able to break them or if they were stable enough after that treatment.

And no, I have not tried the gullwing version so far, and from I read it isn't easily done either.

[NeilRalph77]

Main difference going to gullwings would be that the shock bodies are longer on the v1 than v2 the plastics themselves are cheap enough.

[corsa148]

Are we likely to see this kit before the new year??

[micholix]

Thanks for all the support and ideas here :-)
I will boil the front arms / wishbones tonight. I plan to race the Dex Saturday night. I will post if I was able to break them or if they were stable enough after that treatment.

And no, I have not tried the gullwing version so far, and from I read it isn't easily done either.

Hello Michael,

And, did it work?

[mickru]

Well, change of plan on Saturday. No time to race :-( !!
Next chance for me this coming Friday. For sure I will post the results!

[mickru]

Well, happend again. I'm really sad about this situation. My friends just keep on racing. Not sure, what to do. I guess I have a Dex210v2 for sale now... :-(

[micholix]

Well, happend again. I'm really sad about this situation. My friends just keep on racing. Not sure, what to do. I guess I have a Dex210v2 for sale now... :-(

Hi Michael,

Have you had a look at the inner hinge pin, too?
Not that it is bend and that is the case, your front arm is braking all the time?
Does it break always at the same side, or on both?
May you should check the front bulkhead eather, put the hinge pin in it, without the arm and look, if there is some play, so the pin doesnt sit tight anymore....

Dont give up, with the dex210, it is a realy good car!

[mickru]

Well I just broke the other side as well. The pins roll just fine on glas surface. They are not bend in any way. Bulkhead can be considered new. I bought an Exotec few weeks ago. I tried all I can think off, but you do not race fast if you always fear to break something. It so disappointing ...

[mickru]

I would not give up if some of TD drivers testing the upcoming new stuff would say that the front wishbones of the new cars do fit on the v2 and are stronger than before, or provide more flexibility. But so far I was ignored. Nobody is allowed to post anything like that I guess...

[micholix]

I would not give up if some of TD drivers testing the upcoming new stuff would say that the front wishbones of the new cars do fit on the v2 and are stronger than before, or provide more flexibility. But so far I was ignored. Nobody is allowed to post anything like that I guess...

I do understand, that is frustrating!

From what i've seen on pictures of the new cars, the front end doesnt have changed, so the new parts could still fit the v2!? But thats just my speculation... but i allso saw on some pics from Travis's car, they have tested some different material front arms and other parts at the front end, they do look like to have a different color, more gray....
Looks like, they are from the same(stronger and lighter) material, like on the DETC410v2, so they have maybe a higher carbon contend in it.

Edit: Here is a pic of Travis's car and the link to the worlds pic-gallery from redrc, where i did saw it:

http://events.redrc.net/event-gallery-2015-ep-offroad-worlds/nggallery/page/35

[Jason A]

Have you tryed running your DEX210v2 without the alloy bulk head on it and just run the kit plastic one ? Also what type of crash is causing the arms to break as I have run a DEX210v2 since it was released and only ever broke one arm when it hit the side of a ramp...?

[mickru]

Well of course the wishbones are not breaking just like that. Left side broke when I missed a jump and landed on the corner of it. Right side broke when I touched the track boundary in a fast corner. Of course on could say, well its drivers fault. However I believe also that the Durango wishbones do not provide enough flex due to their solid construction. The Hobao, Asso and 22 from my friends have cross joints in the wishbones and that seems to allow for more flex and robustness. We are no pro drivers at all. But no beginners either. The track for sure is hard on the cars, but the other cars seem to cope better with those conditions. On our outside track I also have no issues with the Dex. But during winter we race inside on this track. For me it means I skip winter season or change to another car. If you start to think drive carefully to not break your car, you drive slow. When my friends hit the walls or miss their jumps, crash into each other and continue their race afterwards without damage, it just feels not right. Often I just think, wow the cars just must have been wrecked, but nothing. If it happens once ok, yes sometimes you just break stuff. But it happens way too often with the Dex210v2 to be considered normal. Sometimes I drove so slow, around a corner, was just touched in the back by another race so the Dex just slightly touches the track border and bam. No way that the wishbone breaks because of that, but it happens anyway. Race over. And yes I have the same with the stock plastic bulkhead. Frustrated...

[adey]

I had a similar issue with my team c car once. I was racing indoor on carpet and it was very cold. I had shimmed all the play out of my wishbones and the slightest touch broke them. The cold certainly didn't help either. I removed some of the shims to allow some play and the issue went away. I know it's not a Durango but I do understand your frustration. If I were you I would double check the car and make sure you have at least some play and everything moves freely. Make sure no bolts are overly tight and make sure your shocks are not clamped too tight on the tower. Double check everything and if you still have the issue I would email Durango and send them some wishbones you have broke so they can take a look at the wishbones too see if maybe there is a moulding issue. Hope you resolve this. I personally used to use a v1 version and found the car too be very strong so it's an unusual one but good luck.

[mickru]

So I was sitting with a friend who own a B5M. We measured and looked at the front wishbones of both and felt they are almost the same. Not sure if it will help make the Dex210v2 more robust, but I now have B5M wishbones on my Dex :-)
Looking forward to test drive it. Here are some pictures of the conversion job (http://www.sundaydriver.eu/2015/11/umbau-auf-asso-b5m-querlenker-beim.html).

[adey]

Does anybody know when they plan to release this car ?

[mickru]

Well just as a quick follow up to my Dex210 front conversion to the B5M wishbones in the front. It works! Today I finally took the Buggy to the track. At 2°C I was able to fully empty 3 battery packs, 150 laps in total. Many hits with other cars etc. And all is still fine. The Dex is back! I love the stability it now has.

[roro78]

http://www.team-durango.com/race-cars/dex210f/

[Philim]

Awesome. A high quality hook and loop battery strap.

[Karting]

Does look good, but..

How long realistically would the plastic gear diff internals last on super high grip we run on nowadays

[Adam Skelding]

Does look good, but..

How long realistically would the plastic gear diff internals last on super high grip we run on nowadays

Just under a year so far. I'm on the same set we started testing with.
They've been standard in the DEX410v4 for a while and I still haven't needed to change those.

[charlesk]

I must admit, both new cars look good. The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say, but the first impressions are good design wise.

However has anything been done to support them esp spares wise in the UK?
A racecar with no support will fail, no matter how good it may be.

[S_Nori]

Just under a year so far. I'm on the same set we started testing with.
They've been standard in the DEX410v4 for a while and I still haven't needed to change those.

What's the reasoning behind plastic gears over metal, better performance?
How quickly can you pop the diff out in comparison to a normal mid motor car?

[Adam Skelding]

What's the reasoning behind plastic gears over metal, better performance?
How quickly can you pop the diff out in comparison to a normal mid motor car?

The composite gears are much lighter than the stock ones, you can even go down to running 2 composite cross shaft gears to free up the differential even more without any issue.
Lighter diff internals means less rotating mass therefore faster accelerating. You also get much less pendulum effect from the rear end of the car.

Diff can be out in about a minute. It's basically the same system as people who ran the DEX410 will be familiar with.

[OneKiwi]

No offence ment or toes to be steped on in this reply. Its a discussion right?

In some ways I think it is to sell the metal ones later, several other companys have done this, only to come out with them a little later.

Im not really sure that Adam (no offence) can come and say they are ok. You are a team driver and land your jumps and set your slipper correctly and have the knowledge about car setup, throttle breaking etc as well.
Although yes we will have to wait and see, they might be a good material etc.

Again another company did the same, came out and said No Problems with plastic gears blah blah we have team drivers testing etc and they are great but then the car got released and the masses got to use the car and they were breaking left and right.

[Fabs]

No offence ment or toes to be steped on in this reply. Its a discussion right?

In some ways I think it is to sell the metal ones later, several other companys have done this, only to come out with them a little later.

Im not really sure that Adam (no offence) can come and say they are ok. You are a team driver and land your jumps and set your slipper correctly and have the knowledge about car setup, throttle breaking etc as well.
Although yes we will have to wait and see, they might be a good material etc.

Again another company did the same, came out and said No Problems with plastic gears blah blah we have team drivers testing etc and they are great but then the car got released and the masses got to use the car and they were breaking left and right.

Only the satellite gears are plastic, the planetary gears are still metal. There have been no complaints that we know of with this combination in either the DEX410V4 or DEX210.

[micholix]

Adam, does the drive shaft blades in the center line only reduce wear, or do they have any kind of performance improvement too?

Ps.: both cars look great, well done!

[Adam Skelding]

Adam, does the drive shaft blades in the center line only reduce wear, or do they have any kind of performance improvement too?

Ps.: both cars look great, well done!

Thanks for the compliment. I'm very pleased with the way they turned out and how they both run.
The blades are just for reducing wear on the centre drive-line. It was always a bug bear of mine on the old car's that the slipper hubs wore out and they were an expensive item to replace. I had the blades from the TC program and made it a 'must-do' to get them on this car.

We couldn't get them under the existing boots to run on the wheel driveshafts, and from previous experience the blades seem to suffer quite heavily in off road when they are constantly getting dirt and crud thrown at them.

[rcjunky]

No offence ment or toes to be steped on in this reply. Its a discussion right?

In some ways I think it is to sell the metal ones later, several other companys have done this, only to come out with them a little later.

Im not really sure that Adam (no offence) can come and say they are ok. You are a team driver and land your jumps and set your slipper correctly and have the knowledge about car setup, throttle breaking etc as well.
Although yes we will have to wait and see, they might be a good material etc.

Again another company did the same, came out and said No Problems with plastic gears blah blah we have team drivers testing etc and they are great but then the car got released and the masses got to use the car and they were breaking left and right.



I've ran my v4 on both dirt and turf. I'm still on the original gears and run the center slipper just about locked. They will not fail you plain and simple

[InsideLineModels]

We will be stocking the full Durango range of spares as we did before for the previous models. We have some spares still listed which are discounted (up to 50% so if you are after some bits take a look). Once new stock arrives (we are expecting some early next week), the sale will stop and prices will return to normal.

We also have a preorder open for the DEX210F and DEX410v5 which we have secured from the first batch (expected sometime in February), some of them have already been taken so if you want to reserve one please order online, or give us a call.

Kit Pre-order (http://insidelinemodels.com/inside-line-shop/kits-offroad-buggy/team-durango-kits)
Spares (http://insidelinemodels.com/inside-line-shop/spares/team-durango-spares)

Kev

[micholix]

I do have a question to Team Durango,

Could you please do a chart for the RR hanger inserts on the 210F and 410v5, like you did for the DETC, to get an info, what angle toe-in we get with what insert?

Thanks in advance and