Kyosho Optima Re release

[ralphee]

A teaser on Kyosho Japan's webpage! Fingers crossed, with a few tweaks to bring it up to spec a tad maybe?

https://www.kyosho.com/jpn/

Lee

[racingdwarf]

Jesus that surprises me, how ever much do you think that will cost:o

But maybe it has the original size shocks fitted, It would be great to be able to buy those bloody stock spring clamps again:lol: both my optima and javelin could do with new ones.

[ralphee]

A few of us were pretty certain it would happen, i said a while back it would, but im still surprised haha!
Hmm price, who knows, maybe £250???
Be great to get hold of parts for good money though, pretty stoked!

Lee

[Iconic]

This was pretty much inevitable but good news it's on the cards already. :thumbsup:

It would be great to see rere Optima's racing at Revival 2016 so hopefully Kyosho will roll these out quicker than they did with the Tomahawk.

[bretts]

https://www.kyosho.com/jpn/images/2010top/main.jpg?160128


Updated shocks?

[ralphee]

Shocks look updated, maybe the same used on the Tomahawk, the towers are very different to the std original car, look to have countersunk screws on the damper mounts too, and the boxy driver figure is now replaced, looks like a styrene version?

lee

[OptimaFan]

Hopefully we'll see more details soon. And hoping it will be competively priced, but knowing Kyosho, it probably won't. Still amazing to see it finally get re-released.

[Jamesk]

OH dear ill have to buy one. Wife will not be happy.

jk

[optiman]

Can't wait!!!!��
The only thing that would be missing is a brand new Pulsar radio and I would be back in 1985!!!! Lol

[lin6499]

Great. I need a few spare parts. (such as gear set, spare body)

[lin6499]

Now, we know it will have the chain.

http://rcfans-discuzx.b0.upaiyun.com/forum/201602/02/224255yexq5qkkqzqxx5ab.jpg.thumb.jpg

[eddscott]

I'm sure I'll get one when it comes out. Although I might be in the minority by having a greater love for the various Mids. I just remember drooling over the boxes on the shelf in Howes in Oxford in the late 80s. There always used to be a little dwarf dude on a stool. Not sure that's relevant but it adds to the nostalgia.

[bretts]

There always used to be a little dwarf dude on a stool. Not sure that's relevant but it adds to the nostalgia.

:D:D:D:woot::woot::thumbsup:

[OptimaFan]

I hope the chain and the yellow/blue/white blur is just to strenghten that it is the classic Optima, but need not imply the re-re uses chain. Shortening it after it got too far stretched, and making sure the link that was opened to be able to remove a link, got back into good shape again, is not such a nice job.

[Ashlandchris]

I hope the chain and the yellow/blue/white blur is just to strenghten that it is the classic Optima, but need not imply the re-re uses chain. Shortening it after it got too far stretched, and making sure the link that was opened to be able to remove a link, got back into good shape again, is not such a nice job.

Agreed, but I'll be honest, no matter what they release, I'll be buying it :thumbsup:
Well, provided it looks like original optima. I know all later ones were improvements, but they don't make my memories stir like the original...
Don't even want a wing on!

[OptimaFan]

That's the beauty of the belt upgrade, it still looks as vintage as one with chain.

[bricol]

I remember following the suggestion of a fellow club member at Halifax as a teenager with an Optima. By judicious use of an 18T 32DP pinion, a 540 motor on a battery pack, and a file, the sprocket teeth were removed from the Optima diff cases. The centres of two Schumacher car belt pulleys carefully enlarged and then glued to the Optima diffs. One Cat belt, and voila, a belt drive Optima :D

A set of CAT shocks, some home made shock mounts and it was a good racer until I saved up enough to buy the rest of the CAT :thumbsup:

Bri

[kek23k]

Official news from Kyosho USA:

https://www.facebook.com/KyoshoAmerica/posts/1023869954341067

[Retro RC]

Damn there goes my vintage budget lol....

[OptimaFan]

Lots of detailed pictures here: http://reports.kyoshoeurope.com/legendary-series-optima-toutes-les-photos/

Updated gearbox, and some other improvements as well. Apparently comes with chain and belt, so buyer can choose what to install.

http://reports.kyoshoeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/K.30617_1.jpg

http://reports.kyoshoeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/K.30617_54.jpg

[ralphee]

OK its coming, im bored now, whens the Mid due haha! Does look really great, good to hear the servo mount has been addressed too!

lee

[racingdwarf]

Looks good, belt and chain is nice option...bugger shock collars are going to be bigger:cry: but its better the new one had redesigned shocks as the originals would never cut it now days,looks like a slipper clutch is in the box too!

Think its nice that quite a few parts are different means the originals stand apart when next to each other keeping the true vintage, vintage:thumbs:

I'm ordering one to run belt as my original runs chain,

Price I think thats going to be £350 plus with belt a chain options etc

[OptimaFan]

I'm pretty sure most parts have been designed to be slightly different from vintage, to avoid merchants from selling re-re stuff as "new old stock" for inflated prices. Has been done on Tamiya re-re too, to avoid confusion between vintage and re-re parts.

[Suzukitudor]

RRP £329.99 but Modelsport selling for £299.

What we really want is a belt driven LWB Optima Mid or Mid Turbo!

[ralphee]

They nailed the boxart, no tyre lettering painted in haha, but it looks great!

http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/Optima-4WD-Buggy-Kit_p_24246.html

lee

[terry.sc]

Think its nice that quite a few parts are different means the originals stand apart when next to each other keeping the true vintage, vintageThere would be a shorter list of what parts are the same. The front gearbox moulding, servo saver, chain guides, C hubs and bumper look to be the only parts that have not been changed. At least it will be very easy to spot the new parts.

[Ant]

So will the gears from the re-release fit the original Optima/Ultima gearbox? Will make a useful modernisation for my Ultima.......

[DanB4]

So will the gears from the re-release fit the original Optima/Ultima gearbox? Will make a useful modernisation for my Ultima.......

I asked Akira this question, he said nope won't fit.

If you ask me, I think an Ultima could come next....

[Retro RC]

I asked Akira this question, he said nope won't fit.

If you ask me, I think an Ultima could come next....

Lol you know too many people

[J77MYF]

I'm another one who'd love to see a rere of the LWB Optima Mid next.

Yokomo need to do an 870C to compete :thumbsup:.

[Gayo]

Seeing the holes on the front arms, I feel that the Optima Mid re-re could be for real :drool:

[OptimaFan]

Seeing the holes on the front arms, I feel that the Optima Mid re-re could be for real :drool:

The original Optima also had one hole on the front arms, though the shocks are mounted on the C-hubs. 2 holes could be a sign, or just done to give the option to increase ground clearance, as I understand the shock towers are a little taller than on the classic Optima. Also, the holes that are used to mount the small eyelets, for the front stabilizer, are not present. There are holes, but these are very close to the inner hinge, and would be totally unsuitable for attaching a stabilizer bar.

[Gayo]

Not sure about what you say... Please check the pic attached :)

[OptimaFan]

Yeah, exactly that on the pic. Must have mixed it up in my mind with the rear arms, where the Mid has 3 holes for the shocks, on the arms. On the front there are also 3, but I guess I counted the one on the hub as well. ;-)

[archtech]

Seen as i wasnt born when the original optima came out, how does one drive seen as you have the motor sticking out the back, id have thought it would feel a little like a rear motor 2wd with more grip steering. I will say I like the look of the car tho if I ever look for a 4wd this might be a contender. I like the older body style buggys had over the newer shapes, its why im running my rc 10worlds re-re a lot more now than my b5m.

[lin6499]

pre-cut decal.

https://scontent-tpe1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12745414_586044224876588_7067128653577492001_n.jpg ?oh=89850d795c0eaf6fc6ce3a200bb8ff6c&oe=574D1952

[cainhargreaves679]

the bumper is also different 6 holes on original :thumbsup:

[bomber]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1524/25637471565_775586feea_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F4uK6P)

[Gayo]

WOW!
I will wear that chain around the neck :p

[bomber]

Unboxing

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1OdJrnNDLzQJX

[isobarik]

So will the gears from the re-release fit the original Optima/Ultima gearbox? Will make a useful modernisation for my Ultima.......

i would say no due to the diff use 10*15 bearing instead of the old that used 8*14

the other stuff hm , the top gear making the old diff no no

what if some one took the new diff and took it down the bearing rests to hm .....like 8mm that would make it

mvh isobarik

[mr. ed]

It'd be nice if I can fit the slipper on an original ultima and optima gearbox. Then again my ultimas mostly have received different gearboxes already, and I've not run the optima in the about 5 yeats since it was restored.

[DanB4]

I asked Akira, he said nope not possible without modification.

[optiman]

Most probabbly the newer gear boxes will bolt right into older chassis, it's just a matter of time to see new optimas being parted and sold for parts.

[lin6499]

RCN unboxing video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ArKWXnMXEg

[Peakey]

RCN unboxing video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ArKWXnMXEg

Of all the people they could of given one of the first ones to they gave one to that numpty :lol:

[Neil Skull]

I don't know about that guy,
But we sent 2 samples out today for reviewers!

[Ashlandchris]

I don't know about that guy,
But we sent 2 samples out today for reviewers!

Feel free to send one to me. I'll review it for you :)
Happy to compare it to my original Optima

[isobarik]

looks like an 3mm pitch belt :D

as soon as the diff parts will be on stock i shall order them and try to fit them in my lazer.

just take em down to 8mm first obvius

mvh isobarik

[lin6499]

Kyosho Optima 2016 Re-Release 4wd Buggy - Build Update 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tAPzxVK8wE

[OptimaFan]

I don't know about that guy,
But we sent 2 samples out today for reviewers!


Being a fan of Kyosho since the days of the Optima, and ever since, I'd love to review one. Been reviewing things on a regular basis for over a year now, but I guess you have some fixed number of people already that do all the reviews of new Kyosho stuff, right?

[optiman]

Big fan also!!! I would like to review three or four samples, just in case there's a difference between them!!! :thumbsup: jajajaja

[Ashlandchris]

Anyone know when the kits start arriving in UK? I've heard 10th April but not sure if that is official?
Can't wait...

[DanB4]

Arriving at Kyosho UK on 18th April

[lin6499]

Optima brothers get together.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cCIHil-logM/Vw9WAIpu_qI/AAAAAAAACVc/JiQmrJnhn-k1qxwv1RNGhxOVQuPgsww5QCCo/s720-Ic42/12983935_1236704549702945_5083333125449614884_o.jp g

[lin6499]

promotional video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXjpgz8Gp0Y

[Ashlandchris]

Snap

And now to build. I'll post another shot of the completed re-re next to my original (admittedly not completely original - with some upgrades on it such as gold shocks and a belt)

[Danf1275]

Are you building this with belt or chain?

[Ashlandchris]

I was going to go with belt. I also have a spare pair of option house gold shocks, but suspect the new red ones will be better than the old golds.
So far the build is very smooth. Going together better than I remember it from the past...

[mr. ed]

You need to change your sig chris;)

[Ashlandchris]

You need to change your sig chris;)

...
I've not tried it yet �� Might not be as good as my original. I.e. The steering might actually turn when I want it too without the servo saver just numbing it all. Where would the fun be in that!!

[OptimaFan]

Optima brothers get together.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cCIHil-logM/Vw9WAIpu_qI/AAAAAAAACVc/JiQmrJnhn-k1qxwv1RNGhxOVQuPgsww5QCCo/s720-Ic42/12983935_1236704549702945_5083333125449614884_o.jp g


Nice shot. I have the small one, and hopefully the re-re soon too. The Mini Z version is on my wishlist, that will have to wait for a while.

[Northy]

So it's not possible to update the transmission of an original car with re-re parts?

[timmy]

So it's not possible to update the transmission of an original car with re-re parts?

Apparently it is, there's a thread on rc10talk where original and rere parts are compared side by side - almost everything on the new car is interchangeable with the original and by the looks of it you should even be able to fit the new slipper assembly.

[Northy]

Oooohhh, do you know which thread?

[timmy]

http://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39601&start=225

Try this, pages 16,17 & 19 I think

I've bought a few spares from Banzai to tidy up my original, bumper, motor guard, front underpan, wishbones etc... all direct fit

[terry.sc]

If you want to replace the gears, you are going to have to replace the complete gearbox internals. The rerelease uses a 3mm pitch belt, so you will also have to replace the front diff as well.
The rerelease diff is mounted on 10x15 bearings, while the original uses 8x14mm, so to mount the new parts in an original gear case would mean finding some 10 x 14 bearings, which as far as I know do not exist.

The only way you can upgrade the gears is to replace the complete gearboxes including the gear cases.

[egalsim]

Pretty much stock, except for the 2.2 wheels and Proline Bar Code tires, also added the side rail guard things.

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp90/erniegalsim/Kyosho%20Optima/DSC_0142_zps6sofgxcx.jpg
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp90/erniegalsim/Kyosho%20Optima/DSC_0140_zpsmo6eojkt.jpg
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp90/erniegalsim/Kyosho%20Optima/DSC_0143_zpsjjx9avhn.jpg
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp90/erniegalsim/Kyosho%20Optima/DSC_0145_zpsycremzuu.jpg
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp90/erniegalsim/Kyosho%20Optima/DSC_0151_zpshd0xadqk.jpg

[Naushad]

very sharp. Like it a lot!

[cainhargreaves679]

is there anyone in uk stocking spares for optima rere

[suparajicon]

is there anyone in uk stocking spares for optima rere

modelsport.co.uk maybe?

Which spares are a must for this car guys? I guess the typical stuff, sus. arms..shock towers?

[Ashlandchris]

What motors are folks running? I have put a 10.5t in and I can't keep the front end on the ground. Slackened the slipper off as far as it will go. I have a 13.5t in my original 1985 one and that doesn't suffer wheelies - do I just need to drop down a few turns on the new one?

[Ashlandchris]

modelsport.co.uk maybe?

Which spares are a must for this car guys? I guess the typical stuff, sus. arms..shock towers?

Not yet... Modelsport just showing as "supplier stock"
Not broken anything yet, but if I recall back to the old days, I used to lose the dog bones so always had a couple spare. If you run the big bumper that pretty much protects the front

[bretts]

I used to lose the dog bones so always had a couple spare.


:lol::lol::lol: Those were the days!! Searching the grass to any sign of them!!

[Ashlandchris]

:lol::lol::lol: Those were the days!! Searching the grass to any sign of them!!

And indoors at Batley, the excitement of packing all the gym mats away to see how many frog hex bones or optima dog bones one could find (and body clips).

Most of my paper round income was spent replacing them!

[gomachv]

What motors are folks running? I have put a 10.5t in and I can't keep the front end on the ground.


That's why I'm making a "Pro" style upper deck with the battery relocated forward. I figure it was the trick back in the day, should still work :-) plus I've always loved the Pro

[Ashlandchris]

That's why I'm making a "Pro" style upper deck with the battery relocated forward. I figure it was the trick back in the day, should still work :-) plus I've always loved the Pro

Good plan! I never knew the pro as I sold up in 1985. How will the steering work with battery forward?

[gomachv]

It used a long rod over the battery. I was able to fit it by cutting a little access hole you can see in the pic. The rod on the pro was a thin wire, this uses a straight piece of all thread. We will see how it holds up

[Ashlandchris]

Nice 😀
Are you taking orders? Looks like a fabulous solution to wheelie-ing

[gomachv]

Soon...but not until the parts arrive. I am waiting for the standoffs and threaded rod.

Here she is completed...

[gomachv]

And under the body

[Ashlandchris]

Spot the difference

[isobarik]

If you want to replace the gears, you are going to have to replace the complete gearbox internals. The rerelease uses a 3mm pitch belt, so you will also have to replace the front diff as well.
The rerelease diff is mounted on 10x15 bearings, while the original uses 8x14mm, so to mount the new parts in an original gear case would mean finding some 10 x 14 bearings, which as far as I know do not exist.

The only way you can upgrade the gears is to replace the complete gearboxes including the gear cases.

http://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=40197

http://www.tcmodels.net/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=garden_flypage.tpl&product_id=978&category_id=54&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=71&vmcchk=1&Itemid=71

mvh isobarik

[terry.sc]

http://www.tcmodels.net/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=garden_flypage.tpl&product_id=978&category_id=54&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=71&vmcchk=1&Itemid=71
Look at the picture on the pages and search other sites for the T02099 bearing. The bearing is actually 10x15x4, not 10x14x4.

The only way to get the diff in an original gearbox is to turn down the shoulders on the diff itself so you can fit the 8x14mm bearings on the diff.

[peetbee]

Just to bring some life back into this topic!
Can anyone suggest some suitable 2.2" wheels for modern tyres please?

Also after some idea of gearing for a 10.5 and what parts people have broken so far!
Thanks :)

[Ashlandchris]

I use the fastrax 6 spoke ready built wheels and tyres which seem to look pretty good (sure there is a photo of mine somewhere in this thread). I run a 10.5 which is fine, but I can't keep the front wheels on the ground:lol:

Nothing broken

(The pic I've attached is actually my original optima, but you can still see the fastrax wheels on it :thumbsup:

[peetbee]

Aha thank you, that's perfect, thought they might fit (I had those on a mid a couple of years back but couldn't remember where I got them from!)

What sort of gearing do you run?

[Novice]

There is two of us using the optima in our club , I can recommend the above wheels they work well and the offset is perfect another plus is they are really cheap. No breakages so far and I do run mine fairly hard with an 8.5 t brushless with the kit spur and pinion. . So much fun on damp grass track:thumbsup:

[peetbee]

Thank you, wheels are on order now!
But an 8.5!!
I assume you've not built it with the chain then?!

[Novice]

Yes belt fitted 8.5 speed passion with the R esc no timing so not the most powerful set up but nice and quick . Also using the Pro shell and under tray . To be honest it is a really fun capable little car its kind of like driving a 2wd with loads of grip, I love it .

[Ashlandchris]

just another thing, I know the photo shows wider rears, but on my runner I use the slightly narrower "fronts" all round

[timmy]

Hi Pete, I'm running mine belt drive, with a 10.5 and a bit of turbo, 25t pinion but on mid wheels and tyres. Haven't run it on 2.2's yet though. Like Andrew above i'm using the optima pro body and under tray to keep the rubbish out.
No breakages but loads of fun!!

[peetbee]

Cool, thanks guys :thumbsup: