Glow plug advice

[rich67]

Hi, have a Cipolla engine runing 30% nitro, was wondering which glow plug I should be using, hot/cold/medium etc. Also which make, are the expensive ones worth the money?

[rich67]

Anyone?? What plug should be/recomended for 30% nitro?

[PTRU]

where are you racing?

Most people are on a 5 plug tune your engine to this and you should be ok.

Keep to the same type of plug though which ever you chose. that way you will not get lost on tuning your motor

[mark christopher]

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Glow plug info
Heat range :
Since the engine’s timing is dependent on the size of the element in the glowplug, it has become very important to choose the correct heat range glowplug for a given engine.

Turbo plugs are a type of plug with a cone shaped seat that fits into a specially designed head insert.

They require no extra sealing washer and have been proven to increase power over the entire

power-band of the engine. They are available in ranges of numbers 5 through 8. In most brands, they are even further subdivided as “C”-hotter or “F”-colder. If you don’t speak Italian or Spanish in those languages, C stands for Caliente (hot), and F stands for Frio (cold) then the easiest way to remember is that “F” is associated with freezing, therefore it stands for cold). So you have, in order from hottest to coldest, 5TC, 5TF, 6TC, down to 8TF.

Standard plugs fit most engines. They require a copper-sealing ring, and are available in heat ranges from 5 through 9, with 9 being the coldest. While these plugs are substantially different, the same basic principles apply to both types of glowplug.

Using different HEAT RANGE plugs controls glow plug temperature. Just like motorcar spark plugs, glow plugs come in different heat ranges from hot to cold with maybe half a dozen steps in between. If in doubt, use the plug specified by the engine manufacturer. Using a hotter plug than normal will advance the ignition point and a colder plug will retard the ignition. The only way to determine exactly the right heat range plug is by using an accurate tachometer. The plug that gives the highest rpm (for the same fuel and propeller) is the correct plug.

What about the pressure of the fuel/ air mixture? This is determined by the compression ratio of the engine and normally is fixed by the manufacturer with possibly some small change allowed for by fitting or removing shims under the cylinder head. Not something to play with unless you know what you are doing.

The thickness of the glow wire will make the difference between a HOT, MEDIUM or COLD. Each manufacturer offers a range of plugs; a plug is usually identified by a code that indicates its effective operating temperature; not the operating temperature of the engine or the outside air, but the relative temperature of the glow plugs coil. Each manufacturer has its own unique temperature rating system; the process can be confusing, however, because a universal rating system does not exist for glow plugs. So what should you look for in a replacement plug?

Some general rules about plugs are determined by the size of the engine and the type of fuel used:

Smaller engines “usually” require hotter plugs, while larger engines favor cooler plugs. Engines that run fuel containing a “high percentage of nitro favor the cooler plugs” as well, while those that run on “less nitro prefer hotter plugs” (nitro fuels for car engines typically include 10 to 25 percent nitro methane).

For example, a small, .12 Size engine that burns high-nitro fuel would favor a warm plug in a mid-range temperature (small engine = hotter plug; high-nitro fuel = colder plug).

The same plug might also be suitable for a .21 Size engine running low-nitro fuel (large engine = colder plug; low-nitro fuel = hotter plug).

The size of your engine and the type of fuel are easy enough to determine, so these guidelines

should get you pointed in the right direction. For racing nuts who want to get maximum power, however, another element that’s not easily determined—yet should be taken into consideration—is compression ratio. The compression ratio of an engine will also be a factor in choosing the proper plug. “High-compression” engines favor colder plugs, while those with lower compression favor hotter plugs. Engine manufacturers rarely disclose an engine’s compression ratio, so it may be difficult to use this information to select plugs unless you know how to calculate compression or can measure it with a compression gauge.

What makes the subject of choosing a glow plug a little confusing is the variety of types that

available. Each manufacturer offers a range of plugs, from as few as three or four up to 10 or more.

A plug is usually identified by a code that indicates its effective operating temperature, not the operating temperature of the engine or the outside air, but the relative temperature of the

Glow plugs coil. Each manufacturer has its own unique recommendations are sometimes included to try to steer consumers towards the correct plugs for their needs. The process can be confusing ,however, because a universal rating system does not exist for glow plugs. For example, an O.S. R5 plug is not the same as a McCoy MC-9, although both are considered “ cold” plugs.

Nitro percentage:
Now that the engine is running decently, what changes to the plugs have to be made if the nitro percentage is increased?

To do this you need to understand a little more of the theory behind the process. In glow fuel the catalytic reaction is generated between the methanol and platinum only. Castor oil, synthetic oil, nitro methane etc do not generate a catalytic reaction with the platinum.

Next you need to understand that a certain surface area of platinum is required to generate a

Sufficient catalytic reaction to keep the internal combustion process going. Also it is necessary to allow extra surface area for the reaction to be great enough when it diminishes with the available methanol dropping as in the case at motor idle. Simply put, cold plugs are manufactured using a thicker wire to give greater surface area to facilitate a greater and thus the required catalytic reaction where less methanol is present in the fuel mixture.

So! More nitro means less methanol, which in turn means a greater surface area to platinum will be required to generate a sufficient catalytic reaction.

Suddenly it all makes sense! To work out which temperature plug to use, you need to know how much methanol is in your fuel, not how much nitro or oil.



As a rough rule of thumb;

· 80%: methanol or above, use a hot plug.

· 70%-75%: use a medium plug.

· 60%-75%: use a cold plug.

· 65% or less: use a very cold plug.

· Nitro-methane burns hotter than methanol, the other principal ingredient in fuel. Because

of the additional heat, which is produced when changing to a higher nitro content fuel, the

easiest way for a glowplug to withstand this higher heat is to change to a glowplug that uses

a thicker element, in other words, a “ colder plug” .



· For engines with a nitro percentage below 10% a HOT plug will do OK when the outside temp is between 59- 68 Deg. Fahrenheit.

· For engines with a nitro percentage between 10 and 25% a MEDIUM or COLD plug will do OK when the outside temp is 59- 68 Deg. Fahrenheit.

· For engines with a nitro percentage above 25% (for fools only) a COLD plug will do OK when the outside temp is59- 68 Deg. Fahrenheit .

A lot of testing and experience has yielded the following formula that seems to work pretty well.For every 10% increase in nitro over what is normally used, a corresponding change in plugs of one range colder is required. So if the engine is running well with 30% using a 6TF plug, then it will probably make more power at 40% using a 7TF plug providing that the weather hasn’t changed too much, and provided that the head clearance has been adjusted properly.



Exhaust pipes:

The third item to consider is the effect of pipe length on the glow plug. After some runtime, the plug’s condition will determine the proper pipe length. If the element is pushed up inside, then a hotter plug is required or the pipe should be lengthened. If the element is gone, then the oppositesare true - use a colder plug or a shorter pipe.



What happens if you use the wrong plug?


If you have used a plug that is too hot or too cold for your application, this will be revealed in one of two ways. If the plug is too hot, the engine may suffer from detonation, pre-ignition and high running temperatures. Detonation occurs when the fuel mixture explodes quickly rather than burns. You don’t want this to happen because it can damage the engine.

The telltale signs of detonation are a “miss” in the exhaust tone at high speeds and a pitting of the cylinder head around the glow plug and the top of the piston. Severe detonation can cause the coil element of the glow plug to come loose, and this can severely damage the engine. The primary cause of detonation, however, is excessive compression. Simply using a hot plug will not usually cause detonation; so don’t be afraid to experiment. If you’re using high-nitro fuel and have increased the compression by reducing head clearance, however, a hotter plug may just push the engine too far and cause damage.

At the very least, an excessively hot plug will cause pre-ignition, in which the fuel mixture begins burning well before the piston reaches the top of the cylinder.

Using a plug that is too cold will result in a loss of acceleration and top speed and will cause poor engine idle. If the plug is much colder than it should be, you might notice an excessive raw-fuel discharge from the exhaust pipe. Don’t confuse this with an excessively rich fuel mixture.



What makes a glowplug hotter or colder?



Many elements influence a glow plugs temperature range, but primary is the thickness, length and composition of the wire used to form the coil. Other factors that affect a glow plugs temperature include the size of the hole in which the wire is installed; the type of plating used on the glow plug.



Plug conditions

The term “ reading a plug” is commonly heard in the pits, but how is this done? In addition to the conditions that have been previously mentioned, the plug should be visually inspected for color.

[mark christopher]

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The simplest accessory to check is the glow plug but it is also the one that gives you the exact image of the engine health. The thread is silver color but is made with an alloy composed by Platinum and Rhodium! To keep a constant look at glow plug will help you to understand How To make the carburetion. In the following way:

Take the glowplug away and look at the thread:



· If the thread has a dark colour and the plug seems humid, the carburetion is too rich and

the engine does not work at its best. You have to lean the carburetion closing the full speed

needle.



· If the plug body (the part surrounding the element) is wet and the element is shiny, and in its original location, then change to a “colder plug” (assuming that your engine temperature is on the cool side).



· If the plug body is dry, and the element is shiny, the plug is correct for the conditions.



· If the spiral of the plug is a little bit pressed and bent it means that the engine has too

much compression. If you are racing on a sea level track, with 25% or more nitro could be the main reason. Than you need to check under head shims and in such a case insert a tenth.

· If the plug body is dry, and the element is a dull grey, the engine is running too lean -

change to a “ hotter plug” to correct the condition.



· If the thread has a dull, as sanded, it means that the carburetion is too lean (poor of fuel)

and you can damage the engine. You run the risk to break the thread and to make it fall

down on the top end of the piston, damaging also the sleeve. In both these cases, we

suggest you to replace the old with a new plug.

Apart from when actually burned out, a plug may need to be replaced because it no longer delivers its best performance, such as when:

· Filament coil has become distorted.

· Filament surface has roughened while.

· Foreign matter had adhered to filament or plug body has corroded. Engine tends to cut out

when idling.

· Starting qualities deteriorate.



Rules of thumb.

You can only “ Read” your plug in a nearly new state [Wire like new and shiny] a grey plug can still operate well. But after it has totally gone grey performance can start to fall off. To test just put in a new plug and if there is no difference in performance save the gray one or put it back in. If your engine does not feel or run right away a new plug before making major tune changes.

· Wire and surrounding bottom of plug wet, with like new shiny wire = rich side of optimum power 85%

· Wire and surrounding bottom of plug starting to dry and wire starting to gray = Very close

to optimum power 95%

· Wire and surrounding bottom of plug dry, wire totally gray but not distorted optimum

power 100%

· Wire and surrounding bottom of plug dry, wire distorted = slightly lean DANGER

· Wire and surrounding bottom of plug dry, wire broken and distorted or burnt up =

extremely lean possible engine damage!

For ultimate power a competition modeler will juggle combinations of plug, compressions and type of fuel (mainly nitro methane content) but this is way beyond the needs of the normal driver.









The pro’s best kept tuning secrets

One of the best-kept secrets of the most experienced nitro racers and engine tuners is that you can net some serious horsepower gains by experimenting with various glow plugs.

As mentioned earlier, a glow plug is the ignition system for a nitro engine.

Anyone who has ever worked with spark-ignition systems knows that ignition timing can have a profound effect on engine performance. “ Ignition timing” is when the fuel mixture is ignited in relation to the position of the piston and crankshaft during the compression stroke.

When the piston is at top deal centre (TDC) of the cylinder, the crankshaft’s journal, to which the connecting rod is attached, is pointing straight up. This puts the piston at the highest point of its travel in the cylinder; therefore, the crankshaft is at “ zero” degrees. The crankshaft must rotate a full 360 degrees to make a full cycle, so the amount of crankshaft rotation in degrees is used to measure the events that take place inside the engine; for example, ports opening and closing and ignition. Although you can’t measure or definitively set when ignition takes place inside a nitro engine, it helps to be able to visualize what’s happening when you experiment with different plugs.

[Lee]

Thats a good read Mark, top stuff!!!

I have a question though, if i go from a hot to a very hot plug, will i have to re tune the engine much ? or does it vary from engine to engine?

[Chris Doughty]

Thats a good read Mark, top stuff!!!

I have a question though, if i go from a hot to a very hot plug, will i have to re tune the engine much ? or does it vary from engine to engine?

Lee, if your running the LRP ZR.21x - just run the OS P3 plug no matter what.

its easy :thumbsup:

[Lee]

i have a p6 in at the moment but i have 5 P3's to go in as thats what JB advised, i just haven't tried them yet, i think ill give it a blast in the street tomorrow just to cheer up the neighbours :thumbsup:

[Chris Doughty]

i have a p6 in at the moment but i have 5 P3's to go in as thats what JB advised, i just haven't tried them yet, i think ill give it a blast in the street tomorrow just to cheer up the neighbours :thumbsup:

if your running it in the LRP car use a 14t clutch bell, LRP carbon shoes and LRP 0.9mm clutch springs.

good pony!