New Schumacher KC

[CARB]

I see MB Models advertising KC for delivery late February! nothing on the Schumacher site apart from the KD.

[charlesk]

This is what MB have posted on their FB page:
"Now taking Pre-Orders for Schumachers new 2wd buggies!
Dirt Version - Due Early Feb
Carpet/Astro Version - Due Late Feb (This may not exist, we have made it up)
£50 secures your kit from the first batch.
Thanks
MB"
Think the expectation is for an updated 2wd, but nothing confirmed yet...

[DarkHawk]

The manual for the KD has confirmed that the KC is coming out

[charlesk]

The manual for the KD has confirmed that the KC is coming out

Link?

[DarkHawk]

Link?

I've downloaded the manual on my phone from the Schumacher website but they have now removed it probably due to the fact that it also confirmed the KC which they have not announced

[CARB]

I recon it will still be a belt driven car looking at the holes in the chassis of the KD, but with the new shock tops and carbon side rails a sort of KF3. They must think that getting the motor forward with the belt and the battery behind it is better than the battery in front of the motor that the gear drive allows.

[bish]

The manual was available, I looked through it and noticed that a note said "KD/C". In a couple of sections.

It since got taken down! (Shhh)

CARB, i think your right. The only way to get weight forward enough would be with belt or shaft. Tempted to get a KD and convert to KC if needed.

[neallewis]

Surely the KC will be a production version of the 3 gear belt format car that Orlowski was rocking at the DHI cup?

[Suzukitudor]

It will be like the 3 gear Neal I agree. That thing went so well there I can't see them not releasing it like that.

Wonder if people will flood back to Schumies after all getting B6's and yz2's (myself included!)

[CARB]

I can not see people switching, not because it is not a good car but with kits being £300 + each time things are getting expensive compare to a few years ago when it was closer to £200 for a kit.

Someone needs to build a kit that has a module that carries the gear box, shock tower, rear wishbones, motor and speed controller for high grip and a second module that has the same but for low grip.

So you buy either a single module for your specialist condition or buy both if you do high and low grip, this way you only have one front end with servo, transponder etc and two rear ends complete ready to switch as and when.

[cannonballmac]

I've recently bought the Serpent as it has two gearbox options in the box. A few other kits offer this including Kyosho and PR. The drawback of swapping between high and low grip gearboxes is the side pods. The gearbox dimensions are different and need different mounting holes which then gives more room for battery placement.
I love the availability nowadays and yes the kits cost more but I don't find details myself having to buy option parts like I did previously.

The Schumacher kits have always looked great and are generally over engineered.

I agree a bit of simplicity would help, especially newcomers as the 3 and 4 gear options are a minefield.

[micholix]

I'm not a big racer at all, just do some club races here an than, but i never understood the sense about an mid motor car with battery next to it and a forward motor car with the motor up front of the battery?

Lets say, a motor does weight arround 180 g and a shorty pack by about 210 g, not much differents there?
with an chassis, like modern 2wd cars have, you have alot of place to move the battery further to the front, not like back in the days, we used to use stick packs in the centre line.
By moving the shorty up to the front and may the esc all the way front to the servo, i get nearly the weight distribution from a forward motor car on an mid motor car.

Can someone please tell me, what is a good, or the best weight distribution for mid and for a front motor car?

Edit: i better ask, the differnt weight distribution between an high bite and mid-low bite track for a 2wd?


Thanks in advance
Mike

[CARB]

It is complicated, it is not just the physical weight of the parts but also the rotational mass, think of the motor as a gyro so the nearer the centre length wise of the chassis the easier the chassis can rotate.
Plus a load of other stuff the chassis designers are aiming for.

[micholix]

It is complicated, it is not just the physical weight of the parts but also the rotational mass, think of the motor as a gyro so the nearer the centre length wise of the chassis the easier the chassis can rotate.
Plus a load of other stuff the chassis designers are aiming for.

Thanks CARB for that info, i forgot about the gyro effect from the motor, you are absolutly right!

As you sayed chassis designers, many of the factories are working on chassis flex as an tuning option, i never will belive in that, that a chassis should do the job, the suspension is for, if you have a well balanced car (shockwise), you can have a bone hard chassis and let the suspension do their job, while the chassis is there, to hold things together, thats what i always will belive in, like on real cars....
You cant controle that force, it's like a compressed spring, that unloads, when the counter force is not anought anymore, so you never know, when this will happen!
It could just be a litte bump, that lifts the car a bit, or a jump, or a lifting wheel from the ground, or whatever, it can happen every time and its not controliable.
I hope you understand what i mean, its hard for me to explane, because my english is not that good?:blush:

I've got a new 4wd on my bench since a while now, never drove it since, as the rear end flexes like hell, right now i'm on the way, to make my own cf side rails and stiffen up the chassis as much i can, if i cant get it, i would like to have it, i'll sell it!

Thats just i belive in, may i'm totaly wrong!?:):confused:;)

Edit: for an example, i run my k2 with saddle packs and to get the right balance, i run the hardest (black) core rear springs and the softest (white) core front springs, no one ever would do that i think, but i like how it handles that way!

[mes]

Thanks CARB for that info, i forgot about the gyro effect from the motor, you are absolutly right!

As you sayed chassis designers, many of the factories are working on chassis flex as an tuning option, i never will belive in that, that a chassis should do the job, the suspension is for, if you have a well balanced car (shockwise), you can have a bone hard chassis and let the suspension do their job, while the chassis is there, to hold things together, thats what i always will belive in, like on real cars....
You cant controle that force, it's like a compressed spring, that unloads, when the counter force is not anought anymore, so you never know, when this will happen!
It could just be a litte bump, that lifts the car a bit, or a jump, or a lifting wheel from the ground, or whatever, it can happen every time and its not controliable.
I hope you understand what i mean, its hard for me to explane, because my english is not that good?:blush:



I've got a new 4wd on my bench since a while now, never drove it since, as the rear end flexes like hell, right now i'm on the way, to make my own cf side rails and stiffen up the chassis as much i can, if i cant get it, i would like to have it, i'll sell it!

Thats just i belive in, may i'm totaly wrong!?:):confused:;)

Edit: for an example, i run my k2 with saddle packs and to get the right balance, i run the hardest (black) core rear springs and the softest (white) core front springs, no one ever would do that i think, but i like how it handles that way!

As with many things, it is the right amount of flex that matters, and of course also the direction of flex. Even on high-grip astro, I was surprised just how much better my YZ-4 became when I moved from the standard top deck to the LMR/MR33 top deck and finally the cut ultra-flex version. Adjustable flex is here to stay for a reason, and most average drivers will do better with a more forgiving i.e. flexible car with a wider set-up window. With a stiff car, your set-up has to be spot on or your car/truck will be slow or even become undrivable.
Further to your K2: I am not surprised to see some very hard springs together with saddle-packs as the car will most likely be quite heavy in the rear, and the softer front springs will probably make up for the increased rear-biased weight distribution. You should not care too much about other peoples' opinion as long as your set-up works for you. However, make sure to try various things with a transponder in your car, sometimes what is fast does not feel fast. Another enlightening moment was to see how much faster my B5M was on dirt with a lighter battery although the saddle pack felt better...
Driving style plays an important role, too. In most cases, pro-driver set-ups where all but useless for me because I would hit the brakes at the wrong time and put the car on its roof. :blush:

But I digress, sorry about that! It is great to see so much development going on in the 2WD buggy class. Maybe it is about time for me to give Schumacher another shot. It has been some time since my Cougar 2 Team! ;)

[mattr]

Thats just i belive in, may i'm totaly wrong!?:):confused:;)Yup ;)

It's a toy car, the suspension (shocks specifically) are toys. A plunger moving in a pot of oil. It's never going to work like a real car.
Some flex is a good thing, the engineers can only judge on what they know and how they drive. If the flex is "wrong" (completely subjective) you'll have issues.

We even engineer in flex to 1:1 scale car suspension systems. As the suspension/shocks can't do everything.

[Kev B]

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Car_Showroom/Cougar_KC.html

[chrispattinson]

Both cars look amazing. Good job Schumy.

[jpmatrix]

Very nice looking kits for the 2wd.

Is there going to be an update on the 4wd platform?

[mes]

Really interesting piece of kit! I guess after buying my first Xray since about ten years ago it may be time to get my first Schumacher since 25 years ago... It seems I am getting old! :p

[micholix]

Thanks mes and mattr,

I'll think about that!

Not high checking this thread any longer!:blush::thumbsup:

To get back to topic,

I realy like the new 2wd's too and looking foward to the EOS race here in austria in april, to see one in action...

Great job schumacher!

[mes]

Youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42SJiHHruTQ

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[AdrianH78]

Both cars look stunning in my personal opinion! Top job Schumacher Racing:thumbsup::drool:

[Danosborne6661]

It would be great to see the weight bias comparisons between Layout-01 and Layout-03.

I think Layout-03 (ala B6 etc) COULD be better suited to high-bite than Layout-01? Simply because with the Lipo in front of the motor, you can add a 50-80g weight under the Lipo creating more forward weight overall. It's quite hard to do that when you have the motor in the middle!

Thoughts?

Screenshot for demonstration -

http://i.imgur.com/8qh6SUa.jpg

[CVRrc]

Very exciting. The cars look great. :thumbsup: I've just started racing and both tracks I go to are outdoor Astro and each race has either been wet or icy. I was wondering if the KD would be the car of choice in these conditions or will Astro always have more grip than dirt regardless of weather condition?

[mes]

Very exciting. The cars look great. :thumbsup: I've just started racing and both tracks I go to are outdoor Astro and each race has either been wet or icy. I was wondering if the KD would be the car of choice in these conditions or will Astro always have more grip than dirt regardless of weather condition?
If your tracks of choice are always slippery, the KD may indeed be the way to go. Otherwise, the KC might be a good choice with the addition of a ball diff for wet races. This way you'll retain more steering, which is key to fast lap times.
Wet or sandy astro can be more slippery than a well-groomed dirt track, but the right tyres like Schumacher silvers or Ballistic greens or pinks make a difference for sure. :)

[CVRrc]

If your tracks of choice are always slippery, the KD may indeed be the way to go. Otherwise, the KC might be a good choice with the addition of a ball diff for wet races. This way you'll retain more steering, which is key to fast lap times.v
Wet or sandy astro can be more slippery than a well-groomed dirt track, but the right tyres like Schumacher silvers or Ballistic greens or pinks make a difference for sure. :)
Thanks for the reply, lots to learn :) Most of my problems getting round a track are due to my lack of skill. Having talked to some seasoned racers who have run both gear boxes on the rc10b6 and have chosen the dirt version over the lay down gear box for all surfaces but I guess it comes down to driving style and personal preference. I like the thought of getting the motor back as far as possible to get max gyro effect from the motor for rear wheel traction then using slim light weight lipos to keep weight drown and weights up front to get the front traction right in corners?
The nice thing about the KD or KC is which ever you choose they use the same chassis so you can alway get the alternate gear box if you want to convert it from one to the other.

[ianjoyner]

It would be great to see the weight bias comparisons between Layout-01 and Layout-03.

I think Layout-03 (ala B6 etc) COULD be better suited to high-bite than Layout-01? Simply because with the Lipo in front of the motor, you can add a 50-80g weight under the Lipo creating more forward weight overall. It's quite hard to do that when you have the motor in the middle!

Thoughts?

Screenshot for demonstration -

http://i.imgur.com/8qh6SUa.jpg

For sure you could throw a lot of weight forwards on Layout-3 like that, but you could get the same balance with less overall weight by using Layout-1 with a LCG LiPo fully forwards.

One thing's for sure Layout-4 gives us an option with more rear bias than was possible with the KF2.

Another consideration is the impact of the torque effect from the motor in the different positions. Of course all layouts are now reverse motor rotation. You could match the weight distribution across a few of those layouts, but they could still feel different.

[CARB]

The motor rotation is going to be most unknown change regardless of which position is used, I am not sure if they have tried to do too much, how many of us actually change motor position once we have built and installed the electrics.
Would we be thinking that a conventional layout with three gear transmission and along the lines of the KD would be on our wish list.
I know it is boring but a three gear non belt drive would on order now with out a doubt

[AdrianH78]

The motor rotation is going to be most unknown change regardless of which position is used, I am not sure if they have tried to do too much, how many of us actually change motor position once we have built and installed the electrics.
Would we be thinking that a conventional layout with three gear transmission and along the lines of the KD would be on our wish list.
I know it is boring but a three gear non belt drive would on order now with out a doubt

I guess the beauty of the design is that you don't have to use every layout.

I think a really good point was made earlier about position 3 being incredibly flexible if weight is added.

I think the KC has everything really, but it is probably not necessary to use it all to be competitive at club level. But for those like me who like to tinker, you can!

:thumbsup:

[dwp102]

The motor rotation is going to be most unknown change regardless of which position is used, I am not sure if they have tried to do too much, how many of us actually change motor position once we have built and installed the electrics.
Would we be thinking that a conventional layout with three gear transmission and along the lines of the KD would be on our wish list.
I know it is boring but a three gear non belt drive would on order now with out a doubt

You don't think 4 gear is still of some use in some situations?

[stuey]

I found that with position 3 (which looks much like MM on the KF2) the position of the battery meant that adding weight under it made no difference to the front/rear weight distribution. It is virtually in the middle of the car.

[mes]

Thanks for the reply, lots to learn :) Most of my problems getting round a track are due to my lack of skill. Having talked to some seasoned racers who have run both gear boxes on the rc10b6 and have chosen the dirt version over the lay down gear box for all surfaces but I guess it comes down to driving style and personal preference. I like the thought of getting the motor back as far as possible to get max gyro effect from the motor for rear wheel traction then using slim light weight lipos to keep weight drown and weights up front to get the front traction right in corners?
The nice thing about the KD or KC is which ever you choose they use the same chassis so you can alway get the alternate gear box if you want to convert it from one to the other.

Adjustment options certainly are one of the positives of Shuey's new platform. Buying another complete gearbox probably will not be cheap, but it is easier to hide from the missus than a second car! ;)
If you frequently run on slippery tracks, a dirt car will be the buggy of choice, but you cannot beat one of the dedicated high-grip cars on their own turf. Even with a blinky 13.5 turn set-up and a borrowed transmitter I was quicker with an old yz-2 on a cautious test drive than with my modified and properly adjusted B5M. I'd rather choose a slower motor than opting for a stand-up gearbox if the traction is there. IMHO corner speed is what reduces lap times on almost any track, this is one of the reasons why RM cars have become an endangered species. ;)

[CARB]

There is a KD to KC conversion kit £179.00 listed so buying a KD and the conversion kit makes for two reasonable priced cars.

[mark christopher]

There is a KD to KC conversion kit £179.00 listed so buying a KD and the conversion kit makes for two reasonable priced cars.

one car two options ;-)

i have gone for two cars, rather pay the extra and have both cars set up, one chassis and two potions will still need set up changes

[cmgreen]

Love the front wing attachment !:thumbsup:

[chrispattinson]

Having watched the lads using this car first time out at the UK Masters at Worksop, I was very impressed. Car seemed locked in at the rear, and stable both on power and under braking with the motor in position 4. The pace was there, with Greg unlucky not to win from TQ, with an error on the last lap. Really looking forward to getting this, looks really race-able.

[Martinst]

So the big question is, at club level is the kc so much better than the already good kf2 to justify paying approx £150 to upgrade ?

[chrispattinson]

So the big question is, at club level is the kc so much better than the already good kf2 to justify paying approx £150 to upgrade ?

Won't be long until we find out. I'll get some feedback up on here from club level.

[Martinst]

Won't be long until we find out. I'll get some feedback up on here from club level.

Feedback would be great as I run 3 kf2's with my sons so this upgrade would be financially 3 times more painful.

[kartstuffer]

Did you price converting from the kf2 as I am in the same boat as you.

[Martinst]

Did you price converting from the kf2 as I am in the same boat as you.

I just assumed buying new kc's and selling the kf2's. They must be worth 150 each with all hopup options.

With regards to upgrading the kf2, it would appear the front end is the same so just new wishbones to change. The chassis is not far off the kf2 carbon chassis setup. If you install the top carbon brace, you can remove the side strips and stiffeners. ( although, personally I like these for securing the body and keeping the dirt out ). The main difference is the gearbox, so it will be interesting to see how effective this is. Other benefits are already resolved on the kf2 is you have added the alloy rear bulkhead.

It's a tricky one really, on overview I kind of feel there isn't a great deal of change, but the proof is in the running. Roll on end of Feb.

[madmulc]

any news on the release date of the KC?

[david85williams]

Nothing yet but I believe they are expected by the end of the week.

[bish]

I hope so! I keep seeing guys getting their KDs and i'm high on anticipation for the KC-Hopefully the KD conversion will roll up at the same time.

[jph]

There was one being run at my local club last Sunday (1066 Racing) and it looked really nice. It also TQ'd and won the A-final so it's looking good for the new car.


The driver isn't a regular at the club so I don't know any background but I'm assuming he is sponsored by Schumacher, hence he has a KC before us mere mortals!

[david85williams]

Looks like the KC's won't be available until mid next week now...

[mark christopher]

Looks like the KC's won't be available until mid next week now...

you sure?:confused:

[mark christopher]

just had ups tracking tell me mine is on its way!:thumbsup:

[Hairy Spider]

just had ups tracking tell me mine is on its way!:thumbsup:

Ditto :thumbsup:

[bish]

What?! KC shipping?! YESSSSS! <Checks email> <checks again> <checks again>

[DarkHawk]

Waiting for my LHS to get there stock,been told due next week

[david85williams]

I ordered mine from MB models... where did you guys buy from?

[Ross]

I ordered mine from MB models... where did you guys buy from?

I would say they are both sponsored drivers maybe ?

[mark christopher]

I would say they are both sponsored drivers maybe ?

Direct from Schumacher and in my hands now

[Hairy Spider]

From what I understand, the first batch was sent out to the team drivers yesterday with customer deliveries to follow early next week.

[fidspeed]

Got mine well my boys ,:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

ball diff were in stock too ;-)
:thumbsup:

[Dkfream]

All built, nice bit of kit

[Hairy Spider]

Guess it's time to find the airbrush ;)

[chrispattinson]

Ive had my KC for 3 days now, and have done a little write up in my blog, talking about the car, the build, and my first race meeting (including video). Feel free to have a read:

http://ne-rc.blogspot.de/2017/02/schumacher-kc-average-club-racer.html

[mes]

Very nice write-up, Chris! If I was to buy another 2WD buggy, the KC would be my choice right now. I really like what I have seen so far!

[AdrianH78]

Ive had my KC for 3 days now, and have done a little write up in my blog, talking about the car, the build, and my first race meeting (including video). Feel free to have a read:

http://ne-rc.blogspot.de/2017/02/schumacher-kc-average-club-racer.html

Top write up Chris, thank you:thumbsup:

[Thomas B]

Ready for carpet test on sunday.

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[david85williams]

Ready for carpet test on sunday.

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So you went for kit setup for carpet? I'm trying to decide what configuration to build mine to start with fr Astro.

[chrispattinson]

Ready for carpet test on sunday.

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I think all carpet setups have the shocks on the front of the rear wishbone, that's where I ran mine and it was phenomenal. Just an observation.

[Barry Williams]

I think all carpet setups have the shocks on the front of the rear wishbone, that's where I ran mine and it was phenomenal. Just an observation.

On Sunday at MB Natalie ran with the rear shocks on the back all day. Initially the car was a bit sharp for her so we altered it through the day & by round 4 & in her final the car was really good. The biggest difference was to go to long wheelbase (on Greg's advice) which worked really well despite it being a relatively tight, hairpin filled track.

The time for her win in the C final would have won the B final & placed her 4th in the A final (just in front of you Chris :p) I know races don't always work out like that but a good example of the car working on carpet with shockers on the rear. She had a great run with a car that, for her, was easy to drive quickly.
I appreciate that others (like you Chris) would have been ultimately quicker without mistakes/errors & your fastest laps will have been quicker.

I think that the shocks on the front of the rear wishbones will ultimately give a quicker car on the surface if you are good enough to hang on to it or get a set up that suits you, but the rear shock option may be easier to drive consistently for some drivers. it certainly was in our case.
Also I thought that Lee Freeman & Chris Clarke changed to run shocks on the back? (but I may be wrong)

Either way I think the car works well. It's good for drivers to have the option to try both & see what suits them

Just thought I would share my thoughts/experience on our first run.

Very impressed with the car first time out & after watching Greg at Worksop the car seems to work well on both surfaces

Looking forward to running it outdoors through the summer

[david85williams]

On Sunday at MB Natalie ran with the rear shocks on the back all day. Initially the car was a bit sharp for her so we altered it through the day & by round 4 & in her final the car was really good. The biggest difference was to go to long wheelbase (on Greg's advice) which worked really well despite it being a relatively tight, hairpin filled track.

The time for her win in the C final would have won the B final & placed her 4th in the A final (just in front of you Chris :p) I know races don't always work out like that but a good example of the car working on carpet with shockers on the rear. She had a great run with a car that, for her, was easy to drive quickly.
I appreciate that others (like you Chris) would have been ultimately quicker without mistakes/errors & your fastest laps will have been quicker.

I think that the shocks on the front of the rear wishbones will ultimately give a quicker car on the surface if you are good enough to hang on to it or get a set up that suits you, but the rear shock option may be easier to drive consistently for some drivers. it certainly was in our case.
Also I thought that Lee Freeman & Chris Clarke changed to run shocks on the back? (but I may be wrong)

Either way I think the car works well. It's good for drivers to have the option to try both & see what suits them

Just thought I would share my thoughts/experience on our first run.

Very impressed with the car first time out & after watching Greg at Worksop the car seems to work well on both surfaces

Looking forward to running it outdoors through the summer

Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:. What motor position did you run?

[Barry Williams]

Position 1, (furthest forward) car was a bit twitchy/sharp at first, but long wheelbase cured that

[chrispattinson]

Fair enough Barry. I was just pointing out , that if he'd tried to copy the carpet setup from Orlowski, or the carpet setup in the manual, both specified shocks on the front - incase it was a build mistake. I understand different people will want setups to suit them as a driver, and Nat was flying at the end of the day.

[Barry Williams]

I think both will work, just wanted to share our experience & show the option of the rear mounting position possibly working for some drivers.
I'm would imagine Greg will be starting with shocks on the front at Silverstone next week as I guess that will suit his driving style.
Its good to have both options to try

[chris24jt]

what do people think for worksop setup? position 3/4? shocks on the rear?
not seen any team setups around yet but the cars seemed to be very quick.

[Thomas B]

I think all carpet setups have the shocks on the front of the rear wishbone, that's where I ran mine and it was phenomenal. Just an observation.

I start with this setup and change during the day. To move the shocks is a quick fix and i will try it. Just a test and find a good base setup for next weekend's race. With KF2 I drove with the shocks in front and with short wishbone in front on carpet and thought the car was really nice to drive. Hope this car is better.

[chrisimp]

Just built mine ready for Southport Turf Wars this weekend. Position 2 and front mount shocks same oil front to rear kit everything else.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k157/turboimpchris/IMG_20170303_182617_396_zpszdiukl8z.jpg (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/turboimpchris/media/IMG_20170303_182617_396_zpszdiukl8z.jpg.html)

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k157/turboimpchris/20170303_172202_zpsu65jpne1.jpg (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/turboimpchris/media/20170303_172202_zpsu65jpne1.jpg.html)

[david85williams]

Has anyone else notice the instruction manual doesn't suggest greasing the side gears?

[chrisimp]

Yep but didn't at the time of building just naturally did it lol.

[david85williams]

Yep but didn't at the time of building just naturally did it lol.

I put grease in mine too but thought it must have been a mistake in the instructions.

[Thomas B]

what a fantastic car. KF2 was good but this is clearly better. Shocks in front was great. Schumacher has done a good job. Now I'll just have get better too.

[DarkHawk]

what a fantastic car. KF2 was good but this is clearly better. Shocks in front was great. Schumacher has done a good job. Now I'll just have get better too.

What position are you running the motor

[Thomas B]

Position 2

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[DarkHawk]

Do you run on high grip carpet?

[Thomas B]

Todays practice it was on medium/low grip carpet. Race next weekend will be on two different types of carpet. One of them is high grip and other one simular as today. So it will be exciting to find a good setup.

[DarkHawk]

I run on med/low grip carpet and just trying to get a good base set-up

[dazza1]

I'm looking forward to running this Thursday. It's been a while since I last used a schumacher buggy.

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff511/harvdmarv/ED9A5AED-A8D8-4357-8945-9AA8E0D493B3_zpsb1twxrgp.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/harvdmarv/media/ED9A5AED-A8D8-4357-8945-9AA8E0D493B3_zpsb1twxrgp.jpg.html)

[chrispattinson]

Looks stunning Dazza.

[dazza1]

Thanks unfortunately I can't take credit for the paint work

[bish]

Sorry, can't help it. Here's mine. Waiting to find a race..

[chrispattinson]

A few of the KCs at our club have a fan mounted above the motor using some spare lexan, simple and effective:

[bish]

Are you finding a consensus on which layout is working or down to individual driving style?

[chrispattinson]

I've found the setups posted on the Schumacher site perfect.
For Astro - Tom Yardys Telford setup. Pos4

http://www.racing-cars.com/images/Technical_Info/Schumacher/Current%20Cars/Cougar%20KC/Set%20Up%20Sheets/Cougar_KC_TY_Telford_print.pdf

Carpet - Orlowski Trencin setup. Pos2

http://www.racing-cars.com/images/Technical_Info/Schumacher/Current%20Cars/Cougar%20KC/Set%20Up%20Sheets/KC_MO_EOS_R3_Trencin_SK_print.pdf

I tried to play around with those setups as a Base.... and always ended up back at them. Very very good.

[dazza1]

I've just been looking for the kc to kd conversion kit and I can't find much info on it. Is it out yet ? I'm not saying I'm going to buy it I'm just interested to see a few pics.

[mark christopher]

U7137 Cougar KC to KD conversion Kit - Cougar KC

all i can say is it has all the needed parts, currently out of stock

[matt]

Just put my order in for a KC, has anyone found any must have upgrades?

[Al3xis007]

On both cars I changed the spur to an 80 but that's about it

[bish]

I've found the setups posted on the Schumacher site perfect.
For Astro - Tom Yardys Telford setup. Pos4

http://www.racing-cars.com/images/Technical_Info/Schumacher/Current%20Cars/Cougar%20KC/Set%20Up%20Sheets/Cougar_KC_TY_Telford_print.pdf

Carpet - Orlowski Trencin setup. Pos2

http://www.racing-cars.com/images/Technical_Info/Schumacher/Current%20Cars/Cougar%20KC/Set%20Up%20Sheets/KC_MO_EOS_R3_Trencin_SK_print.pdf

I tried to play around with those setups as a Base.... and always ended up back at them. Very very good.
Cool, thanks Chris. I've ordered the KC-KD conversation but no idea what's in it. Anyone know if the KD ball diff can be converted to a KC ball diff with the pulley below?

https://www.discountrcstore.com/Schumacher-U4997-Ball-Diff-Pulley-and-Fences-KC-p/u4997.htm

Yep, I'm tight but that's £50 i can be using for. Carbon chassis!

[Dkfream]

Just put my order in for a KC, has anyone found any must have upgrades?

Carbon chassis, car feels so much better along with using alloy side rails than using the alloy chassis, just give that bit flex needed, but depends what surface your racing on really, i race mainly on high grip EOS carpet and find the carbon chassis better

[matt]

Carbon chassis, car feels so much better along with using alloy side rails than using the alloy chassis, just give that bit flex needed, but depends what surface your racing on really, i race mainly on high grip EOS carpet and find the carbon chassis better

Tat for that. I will be running on sandy astro.

[CARB]

Hi there, As the KC has been out a while, how are people getting in the the lack of side supports for the body shell and a method of keeping the dirt and water out if run on wet Astro, this post is for the KC and the KD as they share the same chassis.

I drive out side on Astro so am very interested in the KC on wet Astro, running two cars is not part of my plan if possible.

Cheers

[bish]

I use velcro strip along the chassis/stiffeners, but i don't run on sandy astro.

[bish]

I've just been looking for the kc to kd conversion kit and I can't find much info on it. Is it out yet ? I'm not saying I'm going to buy it I'm just interested to see a few pics.

dazza1, as attached, this is pretty much the kit. A complete gearbox (with slipper) and body shell. You also get thread lock and shock oil and greases for the gearbox/diff.

I thought that there would be springs and pistons as they are different between KC/KD.

It's cheaper that a whole new car and if you add to the KC, you have Mid, laydown and all the fwd options covered. Apart from motor rewire, i don't think it would take long to swap over from KC layout 4 to KD. Eight screws and motor fit.

[mes]

How have you been liking the KC since its release? Is it likely that a version including the carbon fibre chassis is around the corner, and what about durability? I am about to buy a new 2WD buggy, and every kit on my shortlist (KC, 22 4.0, B6, YZ-2) has other pros and cons. Please tell me what you like more and less about it vs the other cars!

[shaun m]

How have you been liking the KC since its release? Is it likely that a version including the carbon fibre chassis is around the corner, and what about durability? I am about to buy a new 2WD buggy, and every kit on my shortlist (KC, 22 4.0, B6, YZ-2) has other pros and cons. Please tell me what you like more and less about it vs the other cars!

If you look in my signature I run shuey and may think I'm biased!!

But I love my Kc , I've had many other 2wds (yz2 , xb2) just come from Xray , and thought I was getting on with the Xray but I personally think the Kc is soo much easier to drive and for me as an average driver it's quicker too ..

[mes]

Sounds good, thanks! Do you regard any option parts other than springs as essential? Also, any spares except for suspension parts?

[shaun m]

Sounds good, thanks! Do you regard any option parts other than springs as essential? Also, any spares except for suspension parts?

Hi , I have got the carbon chassis with sidepods and alloy caster blocks , but I don't think any of it is essential , spare wise I've bought spares but not used anything yet. It's a very good car out the box!

[reelman_fishing]

Its good strait out the box :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[matt]

Really enjoying mine. Only thing I have broke is one hub carrier that has been replaced with the ally versions. Very good out of the box with just a few springs needed. I've got a lot of the ally upgrades but they are mostly for a bit of bling.

[bish]

For what it's worth i just got the Carbon chassis. With everything else as per kit and a chunky Tekin RSX it weighs in race ready with transponder and chassis protector at 1496g with dart rears and stagger fronts. The carbon chassis is very cleverly cut with the longitudinal channels allowing twist whilst remaining longitudinally stiff.

Cougar is not getting much exposure in the US as the Losi/TLR and AE steamrollers are releasing laydown versions. With the proliferation of carpet/astro, the Yokomo/X-Ray seem to get first mention everywhere. Bizarre, as Orlowski won the EOS 2wd with a Cougar KC!

[mes]

For what it's worth i just got the Carbon chassis. With everything else as per kit and a chunky Tekin RSX it weighs in race ready with transponder and chassis protector at 1496g with dart rears and stagger fronts. The carbon chassis is very cleverly cut with the longitudinal channels allowing twist whilst remaining longitudinally stiff.

Cougar is not getting much exposure in the US as the Losi/TLR and AE steamrollers are releasing laydown versions. With the proliferation of carpet/astro, the Yokomo/X-Ray seem to get first mention everywhere. Bizarre, as Orlowski won the EOS 2wd with a Cougar KC!
I bet this is down to marketing. Among drivers in my region, Schumacher has been considered a real contender since the KF at the latest, but as you used to have hardly any dealers other than the distributor, they were a rare sight. As one of Germany's larger online shops has picked up Schumacher, this may be about to change. In the US, things may look similar, no top tier drivers, no support network that comes close to the domestic brands. It is not always the best kit that sells best... ;)
Although I am a Yokomo guy by heart, I am ready to give the KC a try, at least until the next version of the YZ-2 is around the corner. Who knows, maybe it can convince me to stay. Thank you, guys!

[chris24jt]

to add another voice to the above i havent done anything to my KC other than build it as per kit no upgrades and nothing broken so far - its much easier to drive than the KF2.

[mr_timm]

Bizarre, as Orlowski won the EOS 2wd with a Cougar KC!

Pretty sure he won the main part of the championship with the old car. It's what you can see on the tech shoots posted up on the EOS website.

Arguably he struggled more with he new car if you judge things by results.
Being objective he did have exams and distractions like that at the last couple of rounds - when he was driving the KC vs the old KF2.

I'd be interested to see if Orlowski goes after the clay titles that he has been interviewed as saying he'd like to pick up. And if he does whether he will switch from the motor placement that he was seen to be running and struggling with at Reedy to something more rearward. Ditto also switching to metal chassis instead of carbon which he usually is seen using.

[mes]

Many thanks for your input everyone! Michal Orlowski seemed to struggle a bit at the eos in Andernach, but at the end of the day, his and Oliver Speith's cars looked really good. The level of competition has become insane, but for me as an average driver who intends to run a 13.5 most of the time, the box stock kit seems to be a great package. I can't think of any other reasonably priced kit that comes with as many options and is compatible with preglued tyres. I think I am getting lazy in my old days... :)

Edit: Oh well, I could not help it and bought another YZ-2. Thank you again everyone nonetheless, I really appreciate it!