New updated Tamiya TRF 511!

[F-1]

Updated TRF!
http://rcspecial.com/news/?p=14573

[DaveG28]

Other than rear top deck and maybe rear wishbones/camber links, I can't see much difference, can anyone else?

Would have hoped for a bit more after all this time!

Good spot though F1!

[DaveG28]

I tell a lie, new front top deck too, defintely new rear camber links, new motor mount too!

[Howard1650]

new rear wing ?

[DaveG28]

Would love to see more news on this to get the full low down!

[mole2k]

I was more expecting an update to take stick packs natively for lipo! The spur looks like it might be mounted a bit higher though to perhaps allow lipo's down the side natively without it being a tight squeeze under the slipper clutch adjustment spring.

[DaveG28]

Now below!

[DaveG28]

How come it's on these sites but not on Tamiya?

Having taken a closer look at it whilst having my 501 in front of me, the changes are actually pretty major, and all look like they are following the touring direction they've gone in, eg more symmetrical, and more flex. Changes I've spotted:

1. Centre Bulkhead only goes as far back as the spur, the whole section and cross brace behind that seems to have gone.
2. Rear upper deck no longer goes under the rear top bulkhead, again more flex!
3. motor mount/centre bulkhead changed, and looks more symettrical (much more metal on the side opposite the motor)
4. Front upper bulkheads redesigned, hard to tell how, looks like maybe more flex again
5. rear top deck has less "centre piece", more flex again
6. Looks like rear hinge pins are mounted differently?
7. Front hub carriers look different, maybe like they are protecting the joint on the driveshafts
8. The chassis itself is different, Slightly different shape around the back, looks like batteries maybe moved forward.
9. New bodyshell/wing (basing that on the part number on a canadian site!)
10 New belts (presumably lower friction)

If the bulkheads are as they look by the way, diff access will probably be MUCH easier than on the 501!

All in all, actually a lot more change than it looks at first glance (probably becasue the general shape is similar and looks like the shock towers are too), probably enough to be worth having a new name.

If it ends up available for less than the stated price (72800 Yen!!), am getting very tempted to make this my 2009 ride!

Its part 42139, due 20th March.

[hypnolobster]

Wow..

If the price is right, I might just be hopping into a CF car a lot earlier than I'd intended.

[DaveG28]

There's one pic on tamiya USA, which shows a front wing on it. Front hubs defintely look like they shroud the axle somehow!?

Price looks high, but only similar to other high end Tam's!

[jimmy]

Are the front hubs from the Durga perhaps? Looks like a very nice car - I'm a big fan of the 501X but I'm not sure this is worth the upgrade on its own. Shame they didn't make some nice diff covers like those from Optimized

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Might just be better to update our 501x to a 511 and just buy the new parts. But if they changed alot then it might not be possible.

[A.J. Gee]

A very nice buggy indeed, but not one that i will be buying. I'm more of a mid level type guy myself. :lol:

[DaveG28]

I know what you mean Jimmy/Bmag, it's an awkward position really, looks like a lot of upgrades, but same or very similar chassis/drivetrain so not really a "new" car. Might be difficult for them to Market!

[mole2k]

It seems a lot of tweaks more an evolution of the existing model but probably too many to be viable to upgrade to.

I'm quite surprised they kept the saddle layout, I was expecting if there was a new car to be more along the lines of a durga/TC layout so it can take lipo's natively.

[Chris]

Might just be better to update our 501x to a 511 and just buy the new parts. But if they changed alot then it might not be possible.

I think that will be very expensive.

If i'm correct only the steering parts and the shock parts are the same. All the other parts are changed.

[DaveG28]

It seems a lot of tweaks more an evolution of the existing model but probably too many to be viable to upgrade to.

I'm quite surprised they kept the saddle layout, I was expecting if there was a new car to be more along the lines of a durga/TC layout so it can take lipo's natively.

Are they even running Lipo in Japan though? Are they allowed at this years worlds?

My current 501x comes in at 1640g with Lipo, I'm hoping with less bulkhead material the new car may be lighter and allow for more ballasting!

[mole2k]

I've no idea about the situation in Japan with lipo. Yeah my 501 is a heavy beast as well, even with the 3600 30C lipo i'm overweight :(

[mole2k]

http://www.redrc.net/2009/02/toy-fair-2009-tamiya-2/

Highest res stuff i've seen so far.

[DaveG28]

Nice!

Hmm, rear camber links much further forward on the inboard, what does this do for setup?

Diff access deffo way easier, not sure the main chassis has changed anymore though!

[Alan1467]

Looks like the motor mount plate slides looking a the top cap screw above the motor? Maybe to alter the f/r setting or the mesh the motor.
also new seperate rear suspension mounts on the front of the rear bulk head

[MRD]

Its a shame its not more lipo friendly but it does look more Brushless friendly. I suppose it shows that the 501 was a well designed car to start with. I dont think i'll be upgrading my 501WE, I'll probably just skip this new generation and hope the 3rd gen will be lipo specific like the CAT.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I wonder if the belts and pulleys will fit the 501

[DaveG28]

I wonder if the belts and pulleys will fit the 501


Pulleys hopefully, think they still use 36t/37t in touring, and the look the same in the pics!

Belts guess it depends on if everything is repositioned!?

[veecee]

Yeh it agree with some about Lipo compatibility. I would have happily bought the car if it took a stick pack. For now, I will stick with the 501.

More pics here - http://www.redrc.net/2009/02/toy-fair-2009-tamiya-2/

[DarkRedemptor]

There are already 5 liPO Saddle pack that follow EFRA or BRCA dimensionnal spec :

Corrally 4200mAh 30C 2S ref 48243 weight 278g

GM-Vmax 4200mAh 30C 2S ref 98994 weight 235g
GM-Vmax 4200mAh 35C 2S2P ref 98988 weight 285g

Speed Power 4200 30C ref SLR423HS weight 232g

Trinity IP4200 30C ref TRI20807 or TP2S4200V1 weight 233g


There are all legal in France and follow EFRA rules : max dimension, max capacity, undimountable hardcase

More Lipo Saddle will come after the nuremberg toy fair like LRP or Reedy

But Lipo Saddle pack exist and are viable (at my first 2009 race, a lot of people already user saddle Lipo)

[DaveG28]

There are already 5 liPO Saddle pack that follow EFRA or BRCA dimensionnal spec :

Corrally 4200mAh 30C 2S ref 48243 weight 278g

GM-Vmax 4200mAh 30C 2S ref 98994 weight 235g
GM-Vmax 4200mAh 35C 2S2P ref 98988 weight 285g

Speed Power 4200 30C ref SLR423HS weight 232g

Trinity IP4200 30C ref TRI20807 or TP2S4200V1 weight 233g


There are all legal in France and follow EFRA rules : max dimension, max capacity, undimountable hardcase

More Lipo Saddle will come after the nuremberg toy fair like LRP or Reedy

But Lipo Saddle pack exist and are viable (at my first 2009 race, a lot of people already user saddle Lipo)

Yep, just waiting for the uk list then we'll be out getting some!

For the other guys though, is it that you think stick pack weight distribution will be better?

[Chris]

Anyone noticed the new suspension arms?

[Chris]

http://www.tamiya.com/japan/news/newitems/images/42139/42139_l.jpg

[Mike Hudson]

I gotta say I like the looks of this car :drool:

[Chris]

From the TRF site:

-New suspension arms (high traction) #54141 & #54142
-New Belts #54140
-New battery position
-New Bulkheads for easy maintenance

-New Body and Under Cowl #54133
-New Low Mounted Wing #54134

[DaveG28]

Hadn't noticed new suspension arms, what's changed?

Does look good, hope the shell has changed as well, this is definitely my car for this year, unfortunately with a likely pay cut looming it may mean losing either the Cat or Bmax at some point :cry:

[Chris]

New Belt (TRF501X, DB01, TRF511)
http://www.tamiyausa.com/images/product/720/54140/header_54140.jpg

New Suspensions Arm Front (TRF501X, DB01, TRF511)
http://www.tamiyausa.com/images/product/720/54141/header_54141.jpg

New Suspensions Arm Rear (TRF501X, DB01, TRF511)
http://www.tamiyausa.com/images/product/720/54142/header_54142.jpg

[DaveG28]

Cool, "high traction" arms, wonder if they have more flex, wasn't hupo running filed down arms at the euro's to make them flex?

Belt answers Bmags Q from earlier, presumably means the drivetrain is all the same!!

[mole2k]

Yeah I always meant to try try filing down the arms to see if it made a different but never got around to doing it.

[DaveG28]

From the TRF site:

-New suspension arms (high traction) #54141 & #54142
-New Belts #54140
-New Body and Under Cowl #54133
-New Low Mounted Wing #54134
-New battery position
-New Bulkheads for easy maintenance

Can you post a link, or did you translate it, I can only find Japanese!!

I assume the new shell and undercowl come with the kit, its shown as a hopup for it on Tamusa!

[qatmix]

Maybe they will go the touring route and not supply shells?

[Chris]

Yes, battery, motor, tire, wheel, body and wing sold separately

[DaveG28]

Yes, battery, motor, tire, wheel, body and wing sold separately

Really? Cheers for saying, would have been a nasty surprise when opening the box!! Where's the info, trf japan (in Japanese) or trf America?

[Chris]

http://www.tamiya.com/trf/

[Colinevan]

I can't translate lol.

But surely it must come with body, wing and undertray, its pointless as you cant just slap any old body on due to the motor pos etc.:confused:

Col.;)

[DaveG28]

I can't translate lol.

But surely it must come with body, wing and undertray, its pointless as you cant just slap any old body on due to the motor pos etc.:confused:

Col.;)

It is cheeky, as like you say, not many bodies will fit! I'd bet 501x bodies would though, and maybe the tateego? Not that I can find the latter anywhere though!

Still, looks like their separate from what Chris has translated, just hope the body is out at the same time as the kit or it's a bit silly!!

[Fredrik Emilsson]

They will release a "version 1" of the body. Must surely mean that they will release at least "version 2"? Maybe that its why the TRF511 is sold without body?

I think that the new optional rear suspension arms (54142) are prepared to take the "Satoshi-special" when you move the shock absorbers to the rear of the car. Also easier now when they have rearranged the camber mount?

[Chris]

The scheduled realease date for both items (54133 and 42139) is march 21.

I think there will be more versions in the future of the TRF511 body (Ver.2, Ver.3, Ver..).
I assume the TRF501X bodies can be used too. However at the moment I'm using the Jconcepts B44 body for my 501X.

I hope the TRF511 Ver.1 body is the one Hupo was using at the Euro's 2008. Let's wait and see...

[Chris]

TRF511 Body and wing (see picture below)
http://www.rc-junkies.net/toyfair2009/albums/Tamiya/ToyFair_2009-667.jpg

[AaronR]

That sure does look like the Euros body that Hupo used.

Anyway, I like the idea of no body included... I agree it is difficult to find a body that fits, but gives the buyer a choice of what they want.

Me, I am sticking with the Azarashi Tateego! I :wub it!

[DaveG28]

That sure does look like the Euros body that Hupo used.

Anyway, I like the idea of no body included... I agree it is difficult to find a body that fits, but gives the buyer a choice of what they want.

Me, I am sticking with the Azarashi Tateego! I :wub it!

Do you know who may have the Tateego shell available??

My current one has too many holes, one from before I got a PT, and another as I've moved the aerial position.

Dave

[AaronR]

You can order direct from Team Azarashi or they also have an eBay store... I just looked and it looks like rcmart is selling the Tateego body and wing package on eBay also (and probably on www.rcmart.com (http://www.rcmart.com) too).

http://cgi.ebay.com/Team-AZARASHI-AZ-0015W-Tateego-and-wing-package_W0QQitemZ180326831711QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRa dio_Control_Vehicles?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

[Fredrik Emilsson]

They have posted some info about the TRF511:
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=42139

The body:
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=54133

Drive belts:
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=54140

Rear arms:
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=54142

Front arms:
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=54141

[AaronR]

:drool:, but I can't afford one now! :mad:

[bender]

Rear arms look interesting - you've got the option of mounting the shocks on the back of the arms which seems to be prefered by some Tamiya drivers.

Might have to try this out on the Durga :thumbsup:

[SidewaysLS4]

Reinforced drive belt, eh? Time to really tighten up that slipper! lol

Now some aluminum spur pulleys and I'll be really happy.

[DaveG28]

Reinforced drive belt, eh? Time to really tighten up that slipper! lol

Now some aluminum spur pulleys and I'll be really happy.

The centre one way gives you one alu pulley, and can be locked!

[kentech]

Posted a few pictures and comments on the TRF511 here:

http://kentech.blogs.se/

The car looks good and like a good improvement on the already excellent TRF501X. It might look like the old car but there's very few carry over parts. Basically the steering, dampers and diffs and some other bits... Most of the rest is new.

Got any questions I can try answering here.

[DaveG28]

Posted a few pictures and comments on the TRF511 here:

http://kentech.blogs.se/

The car looks good and like a good improvement on the already excellent TRF501X. It might look like the old car but there's very few carry over parts. Basically the steering, dampers and diffs and some other bits... Most of the rest is new.

Got any questions I can try answering here.

Good pics!!

Question: Did it have the new driveshafts released recently? Or are they options?

Jimmy/Kentech or anyone else, are those Durga front hub carriers? They look like they really shroud the driveshaft!

[kentech]

Yes it uses the new driveshafts and to my eyes yes they are Durga hubs.

[knighthawk]

Yes it uses the new driveshafts and to my eyes yes they are Durga hubs.

Hi,

looking at getting both sets of WO driveshafts plus the hubs for my worlds!

do you know if they are the standard DB01 Hubs or the Carbon Reinforced ones?

also it looks like they are using the plastic rear hubs as well, does anyone know the reason and are they the old TRF501 ones or new version?

thanks for anyone's help!

[mole2k]

I cant see me getting this new car but I would be quite interested in seeing what parts would retrofit my worlds.

[Welshy40]

I like the design changes, at first glance no changes but when you actually pay a bit more attention the design chnages are easily noticeable. I like the better design of the centre alloy section, as the esc wires can now be better placed. I wish I had kept the TRF buggy, still now I have a reason to buy another one:p

[AaronR]

I did not notice that until Welshys post... the ESC wires go completely under the rear belt! Damnit, I will end up buying one sometime this year (before next indoor season... August-ish '09)! :drool::wub:eh?:

[mole2k]

You've got an even better excuse to buy one Welshy as you don't currently own a 501x :P

[blacksheep]

anyone have an estimated date for release? How about a price? I am interested in picking up another car and am wondering if i should wait for the 511 or just pick up the 501????

[DaveG28]

Release apparently 20th March, from the US mrp would expect it to similarish to the 501 worlds!?

Kentech, could you see if the steering base/arms and bridge are the same as the 501?

[blacksheep]

worth waiting for in your opinion???

[DaveG28]

No way of knowing yet if it's worth upgrading the 501 to it, but if choosing which to buy I'd wait!

[scotoap]

check rainbowten for price and issue date is March 20th

[Hairy Spider]

The 511 is listed on Champ @ 42000 Yen with a March 20th release date. That roughly comes in at about £350 delivered + import (probably) + body, wing and undertray which are not included with the kit :cry:

I miss the good ol' days when the pound was worth something...

[simoncook]

The 511 is listed on Champ @ 42000 Yen with a March 20th release date. That roughly comes in at about £350 delivered + import (probably) + body, wing and undertray which are not included with the kit :cry:

I miss the good ol' days when the pound was worth something...


Best start saving now methinks!

[DaveG28]

The 511 is listed on Champ @ 42000 Yen with a March 20th release date. That roughly comes in at about £350 delivered + import (probably) + body, wing and undertray which are not included with the kit :cry:

I miss the good ol' days when the pound was worth something...

Can you link that page please??

[qatmix]

yup its a shame, only 6 months ago you got 200 yen for a quid

[Hairy Spider]

Can you link that page please??

http://rc-champ.jp/cp-bin/oscommerce/catalog/

The 511's are at the top. I use google to translate. Sometimes it works better if you just cut and paste the text in rather than getting it to translate the page direct.

http://www.google.co.uk/language_tools?hl=en

Jon.

[DaveG28]

http://rc-champ.jp/cp-bin/oscommerce/catalog/

The 511's are at the top. I use google to translate. Sometimes it works better if you just cut and paste the text in rather than getting it to translate the page direct.

http://www.google.co.uk/language_tools?hl=en

Jon.

Hi mate, will try it when on a comp (on iPhone at mo), out of interest what release date does the site give for the new option arms (54142?), as they told me on email 12th March, so wondering if the kit might be early too?

[Hairy Spider]

Hi mate, will try it when on a comp (on iPhone at mo), out of interest what release date does the site give for the new option arms (54142?), as they told me on email 12th March, so wondering if the kit might be early too?

Sorry, I don't know. I just checked the email I got from them today and that actually says the 19th for the kit, not the 20th as per their website. They also gave me the price for the body too:

Tamiya 54133 TRF511 Body and under tray ver.1 Discounted price 2793Yen Released on 19th of March.
Tamiya 54134 Buggy low mount racing wing set Discounted price 662Yen Released on 19th of March

Jon.

[chokoboy]

Have anyone tryed the new Tamiya high traction front/rear arms 54141/54142 yet?
They can be found on ebay for $ 7.00 a pair twice the price of the original DB01 arms:drool:

[DaveG28]

My 511 is on its way to me, along with new shell etc!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[rob84]

were from? how much?

[DaveG28]

were from? how much?

Stella Models, though I'd guess a few Ebay places may pop up with them now.

For some reason Champ are slower getting stock right now, they still don't have the arms which other places have had for over a week.

Price wise, painful, very painful (think my Cat Sx is goign to have to be sold to fund it!), check their website. Stella aren't the absolute cheapest, but they are good people and have put a LOT of effort in answering all my emails and setting my order up before they even had the parts available, and I have used them for all my Tamiya kits in the past, so feel some loyalty to them!

[knighthawk]

Stella selling at $470 ( approx £336.75 ) showing stock

RC Mart selling at $429.90 ( approx £308.01 ) and 10 in stock



both plus delivery and import duty, although i've used both and never been hit by the tax man yet!!!!

[veecee]

Hi mate, will try it when on a comp (on iPhone at mo), out of interest what release date does the site give for the new option arms (54142?), as they told me on email 12th March, so wondering if the kit might be early too?
RC Models in HK has the arms:
http://shopping.rcmodel.hk/product_info.php?products_id=14245
http://shopping.rcmodel.hk/product_info.php?products_id=14246

[DaveG28]

RC Models in HK has the arms:
http://shopping.rcmodel.hk/product_info.php?products_id=14245
http://shopping.rcmodel.hk/product_info.php?products_id=14246

As an update, Stella website says for durability and strength use the original arms, only use these for racing, so I guess they are definitel not as strong as he standard ones.

Not surprising though, given they are thinner!

[Chris Ward]

I was comparing the pictures of the new and old front and rear arms today, I didn't actually realise how much bracing and webbing they'd taken out! Here's some pics of the rears, you can see they've completely removed one of the brace bars:
OLD
http://www.stellamodels.net/catalog/images/51279.jpg
NEW
http://www.stellamodels.net/catalog/images/54142.jpg

[DaveG28]

Mine's arrived, the kit is in the smallest ever box!! Must be the lack of bodyshell!?

[jimmy]

Come on Dave, you've had it a minute already! - PHOTOS!:thumbsup:

I have a car to review on the way, hopefully should have it this week so I can kick a review off.

[DaveG28]

Come on Dave, you've had it a minute already! - PHOTOS!:thumbsup:

I have a car to review on the way, hopefully should have it this week so I can kick a review off.

Ha I knew you wouldn't be able to resist Jimmy!!

Will take some piccies when I get in late tonight, and some more when I get building tomorrow night!:thumbsup:

[Fredrik Emilsson]

My TRF511 will arrive tomorrow. Will also get the new arms and bodyshell.:thumbsup:

[jimmy]

Does the 511 not come with suspension arms? :wtf::wtf::wtf:

haha, just kidding. But you never know - no shell, what next? no screws?:woot:

[DaveG28]

Couple of pointers from looking at the instructions:

It does have the new driveshafts
It does have the longer damper shafts
No wheels (boo!)
Diffs 100% identical so good spares carryover!

Oh, and these new arms are sooo thin, get plenty of spares!!

[jimmy]

I never understood the idea behind the longer shafts as it had enough droop for my liking anyway? I can't understand the lack of shell /wheels at all either - call my cynical but it seems like a way to save money (packaging) and make money (selling extras). When you add the cost of the missing items it really seems a lot more expensive than the 501X was, but maybe my memory is failing me since it was over 2 years since I got my original 501X.

[TRF_AK]

Well I think it is more expensive, but since I do mainly on road, this isn't anything new to me. I have never gotten a body shell with any of my TRF 1/10th cars. I do get wheels, but no tires. Maybe they are just making things more uniform? Got me! I have seen the new body and wing set in person though, and they look good. Putting the new wing set on my DB01.

I will look forward to your 511x review!

[jimmy]

I think touring car bodies are pretty big compared to the cars - and it's also a tuning aid. Neither of these things apply to off road and it's not possible to use any other shell than one designed for the car (generally speaking) so most people buying the 511 will be buying the 511 body set at extra cost - along with wheels which again aren't really a tuning option, unless you want a different colour. :woot:
Not a 'dig' - I like Tamiya, and I'm sure the car's great - but the 'big idea' behind the way the 511 is being marketed stumps me, it really does - the car has no identity.

[WHITTLER555]

HMMM!! Review Jimmy!:thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

I think touring car bodies are pretty big compared to the cars - and it's also a tuning aid. Neither of these things apply to off road and it's not possible to use any other shell than one designed for the car (generally speaking) so most people buying the 511 will be buying the 511 body set at extra cost - along with wheels which again aren't really a tuning option, unless you want a different colour. :woot:
Not a 'dig' - I like Tamiya, and I'm sure the car's great - but the 'big idea' behind the way the 511 is being marketed stumps me, it really does - the car has no identity.

That is bang on, without a shell how do you Market it, it looks pretty much like the 501 under the skin!

I'm thinking it's either cost cutting as you say, or because production/marketing are all from on-road and don't have a clue about offroad, or both!!

Will put a couple of pics up in an hour or two, but haven't really started building due to forgetting glue to do the chassis sides, doh!

[Fredrik Emilsson]

I paid $460 for the chassi and $30 for the shell. I think it is almost the same price as the TRF501X WE.

They market the TRF416 without any shell, so why not the TRF511?
The TRF501X WE was shown in the same way.
For me it is more important to se what is under the shell when I buy this kind of car. But I agree that it gives a more complete identity with a body.
I will use both the Azarashi shell and Tamiyas new shell(s).

[DaveG28]

http://img4.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=boxogo.jpg

Pic to show how small the box is, and then the bits in it laid out!

Looking forward to getting into building it tomorrow night!

[AaronR]

I sure do hope the Azarashi Tateego body will still work for the 511. :(

[chokoboy]

But I agree that it gives a more complete identity with a body.
I will use both the Azarashi shell and Tamiyas new shell(s).[/quote]

The Tateego shell fits but dont think it fits with the Tamiya undertray.
My Tateego on my 501x needs the tateego undertray:blush:

[Fredrik Emilsson]

I use the Azarashi undertray with the Tateego body.

[DaveG28]

Have managed to do a fair bit tonight. This car may be less stiff than the 501 but it's still plenty stiff! Looks like rear upper bulkhead just reverses to mount shocks on the rear, so depending on getting a 2nd shell with a longer rear to it , should be a quick setup change to try it!

Some really nice detailing too, the steering has sooo little clearance but doesn't foul anywhere, looks very carefully designed!

[jimmy]

Does it come with the new shock bodies Dave? I was just looking at some photos again and they look like the original 501X items, not the newer brown coloured jobbies that they released as an option.

[Chris]

Is the double slipper clutch included?

Are the steering parts the same as used on the TRF501X, are the aluminium hop-ups useable on the TRF511?

[DaveG28]

Hi guys,

Yeah back to the old shock bodies (although they look a little darker), I'm swapping the option ones off my 501 on to it!

Steering is the same, I've used the 501x Ali hopups as the standard part numbers are all the same!

Slipper is standard but with the new spring, I built a double slipper once and didn't like it tbh!

What effect does rear camber link position have? The kit setting is furthest inboard but there's a chance it will make the ballcup foul on the bulkhead (not assembled the arms below to work out the angles yet!), so was wondering what it would do if I moved it out 1 position?

[jimmy]

Shame about the shock bodies. I was wondering about the slipper also - I use the slipper a lot on my cars and a double slipper sounds like it could be a good idea for me - but it costs a lot of cash for something I'd want to try out. Shame the car doesn't come with it.

[DaveG28]

Shame about the shock bodies. I was wondering about the slipper also - I use the slipper a lot on my cars and a double slipper sounds like it could be a good idea for me - but it costs a lot of cash for something I'd want to try out. Shame the car doesn't come with it.

I know what you mean, but the one I built really did seem odd!! Plus you can't use the centre one way with it!

Another q, did anyone ever use the 12 degree castor blocks? Wondering what effect they had as they are the only bling set I have!!

[Recycle]

I use the Azarashi undertray with the Tateego body.

I'm sure the Azarashi undertray with the Tateego body is fit to 511 with minor dremel work on rear to overcome the balllink and drill extra hole on undertray for fasten(511 now has 6 no. of bolt and nut to hold the undertray in position). But it is a gap at front part of body, it seems require some work to dust-off.
I know it because I mount Tateego body on 511 already.

[DaveG28]

A more difficult night last night! First one of the ball studs sheared off as I screwed it in, they are using new very shiny ball studs which feel soft, possibly to protect the inner camber links I guess!?

Secondly, this car is not Lipo friendly!!! The only legal pack that will fit will be the TP3200's as the centre bulkhead blocks higher packs. To run other packs will mean either mounting them further back, along with a new rear battery bar mount, or sit them further out sticking outside the chassis!

[jimmy]

I'm a bit surprised they didn't do more for lipo on this car Dave - looks like you might have to dremel the posts to fit a square pack in there like I did on the 501X as well? I hope not.
Just got my car this morning, can't beleive I paid so much for a car without shell or wheels! :lol:

[DaveG28]

I'm a bit surprised they didn't do more for lipo on this car Dave - looks like you might have to dremel the posts to fit a square pack in there like I did on the 501X as well? I hope not.
Just got my car this morning, can't beleive I paid so much for a car without shell or wheels! :lol:

I think the posts are ok on cells up to about 137.5mm combined, which is most, but you do need spacers underneath to lift the posts up for virtually all of them except TP. It did surprise me they haven't narrowed those posts though, from the looks of it they've completely ignored Lipo!!

Luckily the undertray is quite a bit wider than the chassis which gives some room to play with!

Let us know if you spot anything obvious in the build! It is scary expensive for what it is isn't it!?

[jimmy]

Yeah - I really expected some more stuff - I'm surprised it doesnt have the new shock bodies, the dual slipper, the low friction seals, the machined pistons etc etc.
A big disapointment is the lack of rear diff cover - like the optimized one. I have one but I don't think it'll fit this new design from looking at it - which is a massive shame as it'll make the car harder work in poor conditions. :(

[DaveG28]

Yeah - I really expected some more stuff - I'm surprised it doesnt have the new shock bodies, the dual slipper, the low friction seals, the machined pistons etc etc.
A big disapointment is the lack of rear diff cover - like the optimized one. I have one but I don't think it'll fit this new design from looking at it - which is a massive shame as it'll make the car harder work in poor conditions. :(

I agree, I think Tam have been a bit cynical with this one!

Rear diff cover, if you run the shock tower and bulkhead reversed so the shocks are at the back, I think it would then cover quite well, but as standard it's worse than the 501!!

I'm going to look tonight at how to have an additional body section at the back to run the shocks at the back, and may make that my standard setup.

[Chris]

Yeah - I really expected some more stuff - I'm surprised it doesnt have the new shock bodies, the dual slipper, the low friction seals, the machined pistons etc etc.
A big disapointment is the lack of rear diff cover - like the optimized one. I have one but I don't think it'll fit this new design from looking at it - which is a massive shame as it'll make the car harder work in poor conditions. :(

To make the TRF511 equal to the TRF501X WE, regarding optional parts, which optional parts are needed?

-sway bars?
-machined pistons?
-alu uprights?
-Alu castor blocks?
-Damper Rod Guide Set ?
-Damper HTC Piston Rods ?

[DaveG28]

To make the TRF511 equal to the TRF501X WE, regarding optional parts, which optional parts are needed?

-sway bars?
-machined pistons?
-alu uprights?
-Alu castor blocks?
-Damper Rod Guide Set ?
-Damper HTC Piston Rods ?

All of the above, though not sure everyone agree's the Ali bits are better!? I think the way to think of it is to compare it to the original 501. It's a new car, but with no frills!

Setup wise, does anyone know what setup any team drivers run? Have they been using 12 degree blocks or reversed rear shocks or anything? Other than Hupo do they have any team other than Japan?

[AaronR]

Another LiPo battery option will be the Intellect 30C 4200mAh. I just looked up the specs... 69x46x23mm.

The Trakpower 3200 specs are 71x47x22mm, so one more millimeter in height for the Intellect pack shouldn't be a problem... I hope. :eh?:

Dave, did you test fit a TP 3200 in your car?

[pugs]

Hi Dave, dont know if it helps but the ip4200 lipo fits between the standard 501x battery posts without any mods.

[Chris]

Can anybody upload a scan of the manual?

Thanks in advance.

[DaveG28]

On the 511 there is @68.7mm between posts. The problem guys is the height though, and the rear of the centre bulkhead! So sorry, but 23mm is too high, mine are 22.8 and are too high!! To get round it you either need to move the battery back (which will mean it covers the screw hole for the rear battery post) or sit it further out over the undertray to the side! No way round it!

Maybe a pack that's short enough will have space to move back and still have A battery post (not the Tamiya as it's too thick!) there, or just put the rear battery post in the holes further back for screwing the undertray to the car. The latter is my prefered option but it would need longer carbon battery straps and I don't have any carbon to try!

Will post pics tomorrow of what I mean!

BTW, I need to check but I think the battery's are further forward in the 511 and that's why the bulkhead becomes an issue? I'll check on my 501!

[DaveG28]

Just check and the problem is indeed that the battery is further forward on the 511, hence the bulkhead problem!

[DaveG28]

Does anyone know what diameter the standard piston holes are?

I have the 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4 machines option ones, but don't know which equate to the standard parts from the 501?

[AaronR]

Dave, I don't see how the 23mm height Intellect Lipo pack cannot fit. NiMH cells are 23mm in diameter. From the pics I see around the web, it looks like the cells mounted in the 511 are clearly lower than the top deck/rear of center bulkhead area.

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/tamiyatrf511-3.jpg

I do, however, see how the lipo pack may come in contact with that center bulkhead, but I would think you can slowly and carefully Dremel the lipo casing to possibly make it fit, or Dremel off the end screw hole on the bulkhead and only use 2 screws to mount the rear top deck to the center bulkhead.

[jimmy]

:woot: Dremeling a brand new TRF511 to fit lipo! :cry:

[Gayo]

Dremeling a lipo :o:o:wtf:

[jimmy]

There's only one reason I dug out my old nimh cells and started to restore their health - to cut down on dremeling! :thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

Dave, I don't see how the 23mm height Intellect Lipo pack cannot fit. NiMH cells are 23mm in diameter. From the pics I see around the web, it looks like the cells mounted in the 511 are clearly lower than the top deck/rear of center bulkhead area.

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/tamiyatrf511-3.jpg

I do, however, see how the lipo pack may come in contact with that center bulkhead, but I would think you can slowly and carefully Dremel the lipo casing to possibly make it fit, or Dremel off the end screw hole on the bulkhead and only use 2 screws to mount the rear top deck to the center bulkhead.


Aaron, nimh sit in chassis locators so are not 23mm higher than the chassis. They are also round so are not 23mm high at the front edge!! There is loads of room under the top deck, not the bulkhead though!!

On my way home now do will take pics!

[Northy]

Maybe lipos should HAVE to be made out of 6 little round cells so they can be built up into a pack with little bits of copper used to Solder them together. Then we could solder wire and connectors to the end of them too......

:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

G

[DaveG28]

Ha ha too right G!! Nah seriously I'm not having a go at battery sizes/rules etc, just saying it's not as simple as "it's the same size as nimh so must fit". Think it's a miscomm with Aaron!

Wouldn't want to dremel the bulkhead, there's already less stiffening than the 501!

Guess I'm just surprised Tamiya didn't consider Lipo at all really? Are they legal in Japan?

Anyone know the answer to the piston question by the way??

[AaronR]

I don't like the idea of Dremel-ing aluminum to make things fit, but I honestly don't see a stiffness/weakness issue with removing 2 of the 4 mounting holes. It is possible that the entire hole would have NOT to be hacked off, maybe just angled and use a much shorter screw to secure the top deck to the bulkhead.

And, yes, Dremel-ing a Lipo case probably isn't so smart. This 511 is getting me excited, ok?! :woot::wub

Dave, get that camera in your hand and take those pics! :D

[DaveG28]

I don't like the idea of Dremel-ing aluminum to make things fit, but I honestly don't see a stiffness/weakness issue with removing 2 of the 4 mounting holes. It is possible that the entire hole would have NOT to be hacked off, maybe just angled and use a much shorter screw to secure the top deck to the bulkhead.

And, yes, Dremel-ing a Lipo case probably isn't so smart. This 511 is getting me excited, ok?! :woot::wub

Dave, get that camera in your hand and take those pics! :D

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9831/demonadd.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=demonadd.jpg)

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/921/demon2f.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=demon2f.jpg)

[AaronR]

What lipo packs are those Dave? They sure look like the Intellect 30C 4200s.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Intellect-lipo-battery-4200mah-saddle-pack-7-4v-30C_W0QQitemZ170307647428QQihZ007QQcategoryZ34061Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also, are the jumper wire outlets blocked by the top deck? Will that be an issue?

[DaveG28]

Those are the Demon cells, wouldn't be surprised if they are actually the same though!!

As long as you put the terminals to the rear there's no problem with the wires and topdecks!

[N7ELA]

Those are the Demon cells, wouldn't be surprised if they are actually the same though!!

As long as you put the terminals to the rear there's no problem with the wires and topdecks!

I have the intellects and they fit fine in my 501x. Pleanty of room....

[Chris]

On my way home now do will take pics!

Could you make some pics of the parts list?

[AaronR]

Thanks for the pics Dave! Those must be the same sized cases as the Intellect 30C 4200s (somehow your Demon packs are 35C). Anyway, not much aluminum will need to be removed from that center bulkhead for these packs to fit. :)

[qatmix]

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here is the car with the new shell / wing

[jimmy]

You racing the car tomorrow Dave?
I have the chassis / suspension built but won't have it done in time for this weekend. Might consider running it at the Players tho.

[DaveG28]

Finished wiring up about an hour ago, but still need to cut/fit shell and wing, setup duffs/slipper and get some tires glued, plus install electrics in my 2wd! I'll be running it, just might be falling asleep on the rostrum!

Chris, I can scan in the manual etc but will take a while, may not get chance till Wednesday (when I'm off work!)

Aaron, looking again your right, dremelling the bulkhead is probably doable, be careful not to make it a tight fit though, or when it flex's could crunch the cells!!

[jimmy]

I tried my trakpowers with the heatshrink cut off (not to try pass them off as new BRCA legal ones you understand) - and they slid under the bulkhead with about 1mm to spare.

[qatmix]

So did you guys race them? whadduya think?

[A.J. Gee]

They must be so happy with the car,:p that they are still out racing it.

[DaveG28]

Yep ran mine at Worksop on Sunday! Thoughts on it, well first the good stuff:

1. Did practice, 4 rounds and final without a single breakage. Didn't have any huge impacts but enough to see the new arms aren't too weak, so will try them on the 501 too!

2. Qualified B5, which I think is about the best result I've had this winter there. Hard to compare when different people are at different rounds but it seemed quick!

Other stuff to note:

1. Adding anti roll bars made a big difference when running kit springs (kit springs are med front and soft rear), without them there was lots of body roll!

2. Felt like it had less front grip, but hard to tell as I was also running new cells/ESC and servo!! It was an absolute rocket on the straights which may have affected turn in. May try a centre one way this weekend though to see how it feels!

3. Use loctite, I had about 6 or 7 screws come loose or fall out completely during the day!

Not sure if Jimmy saw it going round at all to get his views??

[DaveG28]

Any setup tips anyone can give me would be much appreciated by the way, I'm running kit which is:

Front:
Medium springs
40wt oil
Medium length camber link
Shock bottom hole middle, top (shock tower) 3rd in out of 4

Rear:
Springs soft
40wt oil
Camber links on inner
Same shock positions as front

General: lipo weighing 230g, no lead! Anti roll bars stiff front and rear.

Specifically is 40wt oil with soft springs sensible? Especially with low weight lipo? What would be the next step to increase turn in?

[AaronR]

I would say your springs are fine... I too run kit springs (yellow front, red rear) with 40 or sometimes 37.5 wt oil in front and 32.5 or sometimes 30 wt oil in rear (Losi shock oil). This is on high-traction indoor dirt surface (we run near slick Losi Pink Taper Pin tires).

I think a shorter front link would increase turn-in correct? Also, try the 2nd hole in on the front shock tower (stand the shock up by one hole).

[DaveG28]

Reversed the rear shock setup last night to put them at the back, and the back now sits much lower despite the settings theoretically being the same. Does anyone know if this is a usual effect on cars, I'm thinking it's had the effect of "softening" the rear, the springs are much more compressed at rest??

Haven't been able to actually try running it, will sort a wing today to try at Worksop Friday!

[Chris]

Chris, I can scan in the manual etc but will take a while, may not get chance till Wednesday (when I'm off work!)


Is it possible to only have a glimp of the parts list?
I think my 511 is still stuck at customs.

[TRF_AK]

Has anyone got their 511x assembled and/or running yet? I would be very curious to get some initial impressions on the build and any track time you might have had. From what we could see, it looked like a lot of the changes were for ease of bulkhead access for diffs and the motor. I was wondering if any of the 501x bulkheads would line up on the new chassis.

[GRIFF55]

Dave had his running at the players. It looked very impressive:thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

I did indeed have it running, never really got to grips with the track though and think it's possible I've tweaked something somewhere. Ran the 501 at times in practice and in one heat too and would say the 511 definitely has more grip and bite! I struggled for balance on it though and on jumps, but last week felt the balance/jumps were better, hence confused!!:confused:

Don't think bulkheads crossfit as the 511 bulkheads have more chassis locators!

[Gayo]

Reversed the rear shock setup last night to put them at the back, and the back now sits much lower despite the settings theoretically being the same. Does anyone know if this is a usual effect on cars, I'm thinking it's had the effect of "softening" the rear, the springs are much more compressed at rest??


If the car has some antisquat, the shocks need to be longer when in rear position. Otherwise you loose much droop...:thumbdown::lol:

[DaveG28]

If the car has some antisquat, the shocks need to be longer when in rear position. Otherwise you loose much droop...:thumbdown::lol:

Yeah but the effect I mentioned last week felt much more than that. The car wasn't just lower at the back, it felt softer too, the springs were more compressed at rest. I figured it could handle less droop anyway while running indoor, a few times with the old car I had put the shorter shock shafts back on indoors as it sometimes felt better, mixed and matched front and rear too at times (long rear, short front and vice versa).

Then again, I didn't measure anything exactly, and am only ever working to find an overall balance so it could well be a mix of effects, especially given as far as I can tell the 511 does have more antisquat on the standard settings to the 501 (different rear mounting position).

It wasn't lack of droop affecting the jumping at the players either, it still felt fine till I smacked the back end up at the end of practice being an idiot!:mad:

[bender]

Reversed the rear shock setup last night to put them at the back, and the back now sits much lower despite the settings theoretically being the same. Does anyone know if this is a usual effect on cars, I'm thinking it's had the effect of "softening" the rear, the springs are much more compressed at rest??

At a guess I'd say that it's because the arms are swept forward, which means the distance from the lower shock mounting hole to the centre of the car is less when measured at the front of the arm compared to when measured at the back of the arm - therefore effecting the droop.

Hope that made some sense :confused:

[veecee]

I did indeed have it running, never really got to grips with the track though and think it's possible I've tweaked something somewhere. Ran the 501 at times in practice and in one heat too and would say the 511 definitely has more grip and bite! I struggled for balance on it though and on jumps, but last week felt the balance/jumps were better, hence confused!!:confused:

Don't think bulkheads crossfit as the 511 bulkheads have more chassis locators!
Hi Dave,

Do the 511 arms appear to have less carbon compared to the 501 arms?

Cheers,

Vincent

[DaveG28]

Hi,

Yeah it's a shinier more plastic look/feel as well as less material!

Setup wise at the moment I'm at the following:

Low grip/bumpy:

Front:
40wt oil
Med spring
Hard roll bar
Shock middle hole bottom, top 3rd in
12 degree castor

Rear:
Shocks behind wishbone
40wt oil
Soft spring
Hard roll bar
Standard hubs


Smoother/higher grip:

Front:
As above but 10 degree castor

Rear:
Shocks in front of wishbone
Otherwise as above

The bit confusing me is needing the extra castor to keep it in line, really wouldn't expect that with the shocks to the rear, maybe droop is the issue meaning it's losing traction in bumps?

Hard roll bar helps when using the soft springs for me. For outdoor I guess maybe 30wt oil instead?

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Why do you use roll bars on a low grip track? What positive effects do you get?

[DaveG28]

Why do you use roll bars on a low grip track? What positive effects do you get?

Well I could be being stupid, but a side effect of running soft springs at the back is that if I go into a corner under power I'm getting very little turn in due to the body roll to the outside and also weight transfer and dive at the back. I use the anti roll bar to try to reduce the body roll and bring a bit more sharpness back to the turn in. I believe it generally also allows more grip to be had from the inside front wheel as part of this too so overall corner grip also helped. Without the roll bar and with soft springs it becomes very sluggish to manouver! Ideally I'd use stiffer rear springs but with Lipo it just kills the traction for me to do so!

I use hard roll bar as I struggle to get any effect out of soft/medium tamiya roll bars at all!

[DaveG28]

Can anyone help by the way, am I going to get away with 40wt oil on outdoor bumpy tracks, or should I drop to 30??

Have heard contradictory advice on what to do at the rear especially when running lighter with Lipo!!

[AaronR]

There are many other oil weights to play with between 30 and 40 (Losi 30, 32.5, 35, 37.5). This past weekend I used Losi 37.5 front and Losi 32.5 rear for fairly high traction indoor clay at Tamiya Championship Series.

Dave, can you take some photos of your 511 for all of us to drool over? :woot::drool:

[DaveG28]

There are many other oil weights to play with between 30 and 40 (Losi 30, 32.5, 35, 37.5). This past weekend I used Losi 37.5 front and Losi 32.5 rear for fairly high traction indoor clay at Tamiya Championship Series.

Dave, can you take some photos of your 511 for all of us to drool over? :woot::drool:

Will try to get some sorted!

Yeah sorry didn't really explain my oils post, in the past I've used 30wt as a base for outdoor setups, was wondering if 40 is obviously too high? I've got some Losi oils, at the mo just 35wt and then others below 30.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I'll probably update mine sometime this year.
Let see I'll need 2 belts, 4 front A-arms and 4 rear A-arms.
I'll probably have to order directly from tamiya.

I wonder how much different it will drive with the new parts on.
It already handles really good as it is now.

[discostu]

does anybody know were you can buy a 511 in the uk

[DaveG28]

Couple of pics at last!

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3712/trf5111.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trf5111.jpg)

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1435/trf5112u.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trf5112u.jpg)




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[DaveG28]

Parts list at last:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1706/trf511parts.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trf511parts.jpg)

[AaronR]

Do the three motor wires need to go between the upper and lower path of the rear belt like you have it or is there room to go below the lower path of the belt? Not a big deal, just curious.

[DaveG28]

It will physically fit and was my original intent, but there's no way of holding them in place and they are extremely close to the spur gear!

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Here are some pics of my TRF511:
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=87472&id=13377

And here are some pics to show differences between TRF501X with TRF511:
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=87535&id=13377

[AaronR]

Good stuff! Thanks for posting!

[fastinfastout]

Gee the new 511 body looks crap!

Does anyone know if the 501x body fits?

The 501x is the most beautiful car out now.

[jimmy]

yeah all the holes are in the same place, and the motor. So it fits fine. Only the cells are in a different place but that wont effect fitting. I'm using the Azarashi tateego which is made for the 501X and mine was cut for the 501X specifically but only painted for the 511, and it's a perfect fit. :thumbsup:

[fastinfastout]

thanks, thats what I wanted to hear.

[TRF_AK]

Jimmy,

got any pics of your painted 511? you get my email? I think you need that buggy!!!!:thumbsup:

[chokoboy]

For u guys who have gone from the 501xwe to the 511 is there any big notible difference switching to the 511?

[DaveG28]

Wish I could be more help, but not sure how much of the difference I am finding is due to different electrics (servo/esc/motor all different).

Where I am at so far is preferring the 511 where a "sharp" and edgy car is preferable, but preferring the 501 where a less edgy car is preferable.

[4wdfull]

Does anyone know where to buy the front wheel hexes? Lost one when a losi wheel worked loose on the front. Can't find them anywhere. Or does anyone know if there is another option than the factory originals? Thanks in advance.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

http://www.vellrip.com/store/product_details.asp?p=1481&c=47

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Anyone noticed that Hupos 511 has a new front and rear upper bulkhead?
Also nice to see the new ball cups.

[jimmy]

No? but maybe I didn't look hard enough? What's different?

Hupo gets a bag of parts - so perhaps he doesn't know what's kit or not to be able to tell me.

[DaveG28]

Can't spot the difference at the front, but the rear has side oblong holes for some reason!? Get digging Jimster!!

Awesome reporting as always by the way!!

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Rear also has thicker material around the rear mounting holes.
The front looks slightly different around the rear mounting holes. The kit supplied has some material in front of the screw.
Hard to tell from the pics.
I´ve attached some pics showing what I mean.

[till]

I see what you mean in the back ... but at the front .... sorry can´t find the diffrence

[jhammond]

Yes, the front certainly looks different.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

As I said, slightly different.:)

If you look in front of the rear screws (behind the front shock tower) it has less material.
Jimmy will probably look closer and maybe take a photo of it?

[AaronR]

Looks to be even lighter stuff for Hupo! And thanks to Jimmy for the sweet photos and input of Hupo's 511! Mine is getting closer to hitting the track as we approach the indoor season!

[jimmy]

Hupo didn't know there was a difference - he says his car is pre-production that he got before release. The other Tamiya drivers all have regular production parts in those areas.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Thanks for the update Jimmy.:)

[bender]

1st - 3rd - 4th at the Euro's, fantastic result for the 511X. well done to the Tamiya drivers :thumbsup:

[Nige]

To sell a few more kits I wonder if Tamiya will produce a TRF511 EC version (European Champion)?

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Don´t think they will sell a Euros version. They did not release a 501X EC version when Hupo won in 2007.
They will probably release a World Edition.

The difference between the stock 511 and the version Hupo, Victor and Marc ran are the new ballcups, alu caster blocks, rear alu hubs, HL damper cylinders, titanum coated piston rods and probably the the low friction rod guides together with Much More o-rings (Tamiya Competition O-rings #42137).
Those options are worth more than $100.

Hupo used split top decks.
Don´t know if anyone used the double slipper? Hupo did´nt (from what I can see on the photos).

[Alex H]

From what I could read Marc and Wilck ran the stock 511 except for the gray ballcups. Dont think all of those options are that necessary accually.
I have seen your 511 Fredrik and you ran the same setup on both gravel and turf without any change, and the car was ACE on both tracks! Think that speaks for it self;). Your car looks like it so very light because it rides the bumps like they are not there and it so smooth all over the track. A 50/50 weight distribution without adding any additional weight any where is also impressive. With LIPOS!

Please correct me if I am wrong on any account.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Well, if you look at the photos (day 5, Victors car) you will see that he has the HL damper cylinders, titanum coated pistons and alu caster block. if you look at Hupos car (day 4) you will see that he has the alu rear hubs.
One part I forgot to mention are the blue titanium turnbuckles. They are not included it the original kit either.

The option parts are maybe not necessary, but they used them anyway.

My point was really regarding the World Edition and what parts they will put in the kit.

Most important upgrade on the 511 are the ball cups.

[DaveG28]

Doubt all those bits would be on a worlds, the turnbuckles are a fortune!

501 worlds had the Ali hubs/castor blocks, and coated shafts, but are tamiya even doing these worlds??

The Ali hubs/castor blocks have been available for years now, but does anyone know if the guys were running 10 or 12 degree castor? Also last year Hupo ran 1 degree Ali rear hubs I think, not sure if he still is, but if so I don't think they are available even as a hopup, as the hopups don't have a left or right hand!?

Overall I'd guess the "performance" upgrades were the split top decks for Hupo, and maybe the Ali hubs/castor blocks!? The rest is bling and reliability (eg ballcups)!

Luckily I already have all the hopups listed in earlier posts except the ballcups and top deck (well, maybe the hubs depending which they used). Sadly I have a big scratch down the inside of one of my HL dampers!

[Fredrik Emilsson]

I think he ran 0,5 degrees rear hubs.
You can use the 511 rear suspension rear mount on the 501X to get the same toe-in on the 501X.
TRF511 has 3.3 degrees toe-in.

[carlin]

Hi Guys,

So who in the UK actually run these?
How do you get on with spares etc is thier someone (Model Shop) that imports the spares etc.
Just i know The Hobby company dont really support the good racing brnads they have, just wondered how you guys get on with this?

What do you think of the build Q, compared to other brands

[jimmy]

I think Hupo built all the cars - so all pretty much identical other than manufacturing stuff (the pre-production stuff) and electrics.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Lucky Hupo.;)

[qatmix]

Hi Guys,

So who in the UK actually run these?
How do you get on with spares etc is thier someone (Model Shop) that imports the spares etc.
Just i know The Hobby company dont really support the good racing brnads they have, just wondered how you guys get on with this?

What do you think of the build Q, compared to other brands


I run the 501x, I have to admit I get my parts from Vellrip, they only take 4 days to arrive.

although I haven't actually broke much ever with the car (one wishbone, al;though at the moment I dont race it every week as I'm concentrating on TC's). Its more just a case of rebuilding the diffs every now and again, and those parts you can buy from the UK as its the same parts as the Tamiya tourers.

[msxmre]

Guys I'm thinking of getting one of these awesome looking cars. Once you've got the parts to accommodate Lipo cells ( saddles) are these easy enough to fit and do they look ok once on the car. I'm talking about the official TRF chassis parts.

[mof]

Guys I'm thinking of getting one of these awesome looking cars. Once you've got the parts to accommodate Lipo cells ( saddles) are these easy enough to fit and do they look ok once on the car. I'm talking about the official TRF chassis parts.

I would recommend using the lipo trays that Fredrik Emilsson makes. If I remember correctly, the official Tamiya ones require the center bulkhead to be modified.

[Donutt]

I would recommend using the lipo trays that Fredrik Emilsson makes. If I remember correctly, the official Tamiya ones require the center bulkhead to be modified.

I agree. I've got Fred's trays as well as the front and rear dust covers.
I reckon these three bits aren't nice to have - there essential!

[Jan Larsen]

The mod to the bulkhead isnt very hard and a very straight forward grinding job once you see the problem, but yes, I'd go with Fredriks lipo tray which works perfectly and doesnt require bulkhead modification.
The Tamiya set is made so that the batteries fit very snug, so snug that it can be a pain to get them back out again.
Also, his diff covers would be a very good idea to invest in if you run on dirt.