Oswestry National

[IceMike]

Hello Everyone, Thought that we would start a thread for this.

The main reason is that we are currently thinkin about track design and the features for the track this year, and we are thinkin about gettin the materials.
This is a small request for the drivers ideas for jumps and features. Some of you may know that we are NOT aloud to do permenant changes to the grounds so the feature must be removable and multi directional for the two track days. Please can you get me any ideas preferably before the 15th Feb, and send them to the icemike@oswestryrcc.org let me know if there is a problem with that address.

Thanks

Mike

[bigred5765]

try to get some of York or worksops indoor features in there, or get them in with design,

[Jamie B4]

Try and not make the jumps random, these cars may be offroad but do not mean they need to be sent vertical at any occasion. If the jumps are do - able then the race wil be won by the best driver and not the elements of the track.

The closer the racing the more chance to actually see who is the best

[IceMike]

Im really askin for actual jump and feature designs

[Jamie B4]

That's easy speak to bury/worksop/ or make a post were the top guys in nationals let you know what design they want - doubles/singles/two tier etc

[IceMike]

Thats wot this is for :P lol

[bigred5765]

if your after specifics, a nice table top jump, a good couple of multi jumps IE rhythm sections,doubles, triples,no crappy rumble strips,

[millzy]

what’s the diff between a rumble strip and a rhythm section?

keep it simple jumps and down ramps, you don have to make them go high

you could build two table tops about 2ft high 4ft long with equal 8ft down ramps and then have kicker jumps just before the table top about 1ft away so that you can clear the table top and hit the down ramp

All you would have to do for the 4wd is pick the kicker up and put it the other side of the table top

If you wanted to make one a little different you could put a curved hump before the kicker making the drivers think about there throttle control before they hit the kicker again you could just pick it up and put it the other
side for the 4wd event

[ben]

Maybe a corner table top? Couple of double's with small'ish gap's..just before corners, so that you dont have to go further than the down ramp to be fast.


Is "danny's lawn mowing" making a return this year? :lol:

[millzy]

a good corner table top not one where you have to jump over the apex and land on the down ramp id make it 75degress not 90

[Lee]

Short grass :D

[millzy]

funny

but not helpfull

come on if you lot what OZ to be good save the crap joke and tell them what you want how you want it and the on the day if its not good you can blame your selfs

[IceMike]

thanks millzy!! :P

NO GRASS JOKES PLEASE COS THAT REALLY ISNT HELPFUL IN ANYWAY

[Northy]

........the feature must be multi directional for the two track days......

Please no. Mike, these do not work IMHO. If the thing needs turning round there are plenty of us there to help. I good up ramp does not make a good down ramp IMHO. I like Millzy's idea of the movable kicker.

If you need any help, just ask.

G

[Lee]

Agreed with G, down slopes should be 2x as long as an up ramp, surely that was evident from last years table top in front of the rostrum. I usually like a good bit of table top action but i dreaded that thing in both directions.

A section where you can gamble and go big to make up a bit of time would be good or play safe and be consistant. This would produce good racing in the finals IMO

ie, a triple, or 2 table tops one after the other.

[Yardeeee]

At the end of the day, it is your track Mike, you have the right to put in what features you see fit and to put your own stamp on it.

All that racers really ask for is this:
Consistent features
Universally achievable features (yes, the national series has the cream of the crop competing, but it also has the other end of the spectrum who pay the same entry fee and deserve to be able to enjoy the track and not just have 5 minutes of frustration every run)
A good size track, not easy but one that will allow the less experienced to get around, but the experienced to get round faster.

and perhaps most importantly, a racetrack, this is not rock crawling or aerobatics :lol:

Stick to the basics of things like widths and heights, take into account the potential for bad weather i.e. don't use exposed wood too often. You have a bunch of experienced guys at the club and I'm sure they will come up with something.

I wish you well, do the mid west proud

[millzy]

Agreed with G, down slopes should be 2x as long as an up ramp, surely that was evident from last years table top in front of the rostrum. I usually like a good bit of table top action but i dreaded that thing in both directions.

A section where you can gamble and go big to make up a bit of time would be good or play safe and be consistant. This would produce good racing in the finals IMO

ie, a triple, or 2 table tops one after the other.

If you fancy making a triple, what I would do is making both end ramps as kicker humps and the centre as equal sided hump this will allow for the triple to be jumpable from both directions. Then on the day place a board (or two giving the width we need) about 4ft longer than that days end kicker on its peak point thus changing the angle and giving you a smooth down ramp that can be easily unscrewed picked up and placed the on the other kicker for the 4wd running the other way

simples yes

[bigred5765]

what’s the diff between a rumble strip and a rhythm section?


rumble strip is like pieces of corrugated roofing , a rhythm section is multiple jumps doable in 1 then 2 or a 2 plus 2 etc

[IceMike]

Thanks everyone, alot of really good suggestions and have a few good ideas in my head

[Body Paint]

The idea behind your double last year was good, however, I thought it was a bit steep both on the take off and landing. Perhaps something similar but make it a tripple or even a quad, but make the humps about the same height as last year but a lot shallower.

I also liked the table top but as Northy says maybe you could make the downramp longer than the upramp, makes for a much more consistent feature. IMHO downramps should be no steeper than 30 degrees.

[RogerM]

As I won't be doing nationals this year I'm not going to get too involved with this thread other than to say speak to GingerFixIt (Andy Bell) on here. Having raced at both Worksop (last years indoors) and Newbury (MK GP plus several others) I feel, and it is only my opinion, that theflow of the jumps at Newbury is vastly superior to anything else I have raced on (certainly indoors).

Might be worth a quick chat with Lee Martin too.

Andy will point you at the formulas used to create the perfect kicker and landing area for a given jump, all based on MotoX data.

The comment about making too sided features is also valid, the qualities of a good kicker and a good landing area are VERY different.

Just my 2 pence worth.

[David Church]

Building jumps can be trial and error.
You should get them built well before the National and have your local drivers try them and then adjust them till they are right.

Or you could get Alan Hart to try them and if he can jump them they will be ok!!!!:p:D, oh and please tell him I said this when you see him!!!

[modelimages]

Before you jump into making jumps, think about how robust they will need to be, 120 drivers doing about 13 laps 5 times on saturday and 5 times on sunday, your up ramp is going to get hit by a 1.5kilo car 15600 times!!, last year not suprisingly one of your jumps failed in 4wd causing lee martins car to rear up and land badly breaking the rear end, now the end result did not decide the championship but it could have done. in my opinion you have a flat grass track so use it as that, no one wants to see an obstacle course or some random car reaction caused by a "feature". there are 6 tracks to decide the championship, a fast flowing grass track would be ok.

[ashleyb4]

Mike you have openned a can of worms as race co-ordinator im in charge of track design and if there are any jumps that are not fit i will be first there with my can of petrol and a match. Dont worry guys this years national track will be the best there has been.

A

[modelimages]

Mike you have openned a can of worms as race co-ordinator im in charge of track design and if there are any jumps that are not fit i will be first there with my can of petrol and a match. Dont worry guys this years national track will be the best there has been.

A

tell me your joking




please




please

[ashleyb4]

havent had any complaints yet.

A

[ben]

Just one so far ash... It's above your head :lol:

[DaveG28]

Come one guys, lets play nice, how about everyone helping Ash and the Oswestry guys make it a top track!:thumbsup::thumbsup: (which I realise you did Modelimages!!)

The only thing I didn't like about last years was the double/triple or whatever it was, just found it too steep!

[Jonesy]

Don't worry all.... I was speaking with Phil Channon on Sunday and he has some good ideas for it (or so he mentioned!)

[bert digler]

Come one guys, lets play nice, how about everyone helping Ash and the Oswestry guys make it a top track!:thumbsup::thumbsup: (which I realise you did Modelimages!!)

The only thing I didn't like about last years was the double/triple or whatever it was, just found it too steep!

i think a track should be fast flowing with a technical section central to the rostrum just beyond the straight with passing points ie hairpins the jumps doubles triples etc no stupid half pipes;) the tabletop from a couple of years a go was good and the kicker triple was good. listen the racers but make you own mind up its your stage to shine on;)

[Jonesy]

Building jumps can be trial and error.
You should get them built well before the National and have your local drivers try them and then adjust them till they are right.

Or you could get Alan Hart to try them and if he can jump them they will be ok!!!!:p:D, oh and please tell him I said this when you see him!!!


DC I like your thinking my mate, especially as I class myself as local and will gladly get involved in 'legal' practise :p:p:p

[spenner]

Track: Nice flowing track with various jumps on a bed of shaven grass, lovely bright track marking and plenty of spectator areas. This is no normal grass track, this is the Ozfest track!!

Anyway.....

My own view do what you guys like as it is your place and you earnt yourself the national, unless anyone on here is gonna help you build it then i personally don't think much can be said!!!!!

But.........

Please, please, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee can you get a higher trailer or a rostrum made from scaffold as it is a real arse to see the track properly... Trailer - Not that high + Track - that goes up a hill = struggle on the eyes.

Apart from that i am looking forward to racing on the different variations of tracks this year... We will all moan about 1 or 2 tracks im sure but.... lets enjoy what we spend out money on and let the best man win. 6 chances for everyone.

[_Bish_]

i think a track should be fast flowing with a technical section central to the rostrum just beyond the straight with passing points ie hairpins the jumps doubles triples etc no stupid half pipes;) the tabletop from a couple of years a go was good and the kicker triple was good. listen the racers but make you own mind up its your stage to shine on;)
Haven't you just discribed last years track????

[_Bish_]

DC I like your thinking my mate, especially as I class myself as local and will gladly get involved in 'legal' practise :p:p:p

You need it:p:p:p:p

[ashleyb4]

On the rostrum situation we might not be using the trailer this year as we have telfords rostrum the one they used for there national. So this hopefully will be high enough if not maybe we should put this on top of a trailer :p

A

[Jonesy]

You need it:p:p:p:p


Tony, Tony, Tony, now that is not very nice is it........ (i.e. you just wait until the F2's)

I believe you may also be lending your expert skills to the set-up of the National?? I will see you there!

[_Bish_]

Tony, Tony, Tony, now that is not very nice is it........ (i.e. you just wait until the F2's)

I believe you may also be lending your expert skills to the set-up of the National?? I will see you there!
It was there so had to be taken.
Wont be there on that weekend due to having the honeymoon suite on mine and Kays first wedding anniversary:D
I Bet i see you before.

[ashleyb4]

WHAT bish :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

A

[_Bish_]

WHAT bish :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

A

Its Free :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Jonesy]

It was there so had to be taken.
Wont be there on that weekend due to having the honeymoon suite on mine and Kays first wedding anniversary:D
I Bet i see you before.


Was that the one that looked as good as sleeping outside in the rough??

I'm sure will see me before - when were you thinking of racing really off road cars and not Micro Machines??

[ashleyb4]

Its Free :thumbsup::thumbsup:

So's a tent :p Nah i hope you and kay have a nice weekend :) Ill cry myself to sleep :cry::cry:

A

[_Bish_]

Was that the one that looked as good as sleeping outside in the rough??

I'm sure will see me before - when were you thinking of racing really off road cars and not Micro Machines??
March 8th at Kidderminster:D

[ashleyb4]

Why are all the kiddy meettings on my weekend to work.

A

[IceMike]

This treat atm was souly for asking some help on feature design. The overall track layout and any other detail of the track will be down to the oswestry club members as a committy. Please all i wanted is ideas on wot jumps or rythm sections people would like to see on a national track this year, then we can decide what we can create and would want in the track

[bigred5765]

http://www.onetenthoffroad.co.uk/results.htm

:thumbsup:

[blitzboy]

any ore piccys guys from oz , can t wait to see the report on this it was so much fun ,