Do you want photos on all posts in the for sale section?

[Peakey]

I’m putting a poll up for 1 moth from today and the majority will win. Should the rule for photos on all adverts in the kits section be extended to the other sections? So ALL adverts in the for sale sections should have photos of he actually item for sale at the time of posting.

[cjm_2008]

Although I have found the attachment upload system to be a bit of a ball-ache, that's usually because I've been trying to upload images that were >400kb.

I think photos are a must. I'd go as far as to suggest that they should also feature a handwritten dated note to re-assure buyers that the thing they're potentially paying for actually does exist.

[leeboy44]

if a post has links to photos (ie facebook) I don't see this as being a bad thing

you have even more info on the seller then like his own facebook account etc

[daz75]

Although I have found the attachment upload system to be a bit of a ball-ache, that's usually because I've been trying to upload images that were >400kb.

I think photos are a must. I'd go as far as to suggest that they should also feature a handwritten dated note to re-assure buyers that the thing they're potentially paying for actually does exist.

This has never worked for me so I just use other hosting companies

Facebook is fine as long as anyone can access the pictures without having a Facebook account

[Paddyeds]

if a post has links to photos (ie facebook) I don't see this as being a bad thing

you have even more info on the seller then like his own facebook account etc

Facebook is blocked on the pc I use in work for viewing oople so none of the photos show up anyway.
Also a lot of photo hosting sites are blocked.
The only forsale pages I get to see photos on are the ones directly uploaded to the forum database.
I for one won't buy anything without seeing photos first

[xfactor]

Totally agree with photos on all (for sale).

If you have the item for sale there should be no issue with a photo. It should be posted with a photo.

Its shows the item for sale so the buyer can see what they are buying, item condition and most of all, the seller has it for sale with less chance of any issues..... :thumbsup:

[Ashlandchris]

Facebook is blocked on the pc I use in work for viewing oople so none of the photos show up anyway.
Also a lot of photo hosting sites are blocked.
The only forsale pages I get to see photos on are the ones directly uploaded to the forum database.
I for one won't buy anything without seeing photos first

Snap!! As in, "me too" not snap as in "photo" although by saying snap, I do want photos. You know what I mean!!

[Noob]

Better with photos showing details of any damage you too often see ppl writing things like ‘only ran for two 5 minute races’ or ‘in excellent condition’ when in fact whatever is being sold more often has damage that is highly underestimated.
Not saying ppl are telling pork pies just different ppl have different opinions and deserve to see what they are potentially buying.

[andrewc]

As a general rule I make initial contact on here then request extra pictures via whatsapp anyway. Selling a chassis recently I did a video to show each outdrive, details of any damage etc.

I do like to see pictures but the whole 400kb size thing is annoying...take pictures on phone, email to Mac, re-size, then clunky upload.

Is there not a way to allow forum to just accept bigger files? Then auto delete all adverts and associated files after 6 weeks?

[Ross]

I don't like the facebook links to pictures. The few I've looked at that have had links do not have a users name in the face book info, just pictures.

Or we could take it another level and put a name and date on a piece of paper next to the items. This is used on Gun and Photography forums i use.

[Origineelreclamebord]

Myself, I always add pictures to my sales ads. That said I'm wondering: what is supposed to be achieved by obliging people to add pictures? And how effective is it at achieving that goal?


For me, I would only buy an item if I have enough information to estimate whether the item is what I'm looking for, in the condition I want it to be and whether the buyer seems trustworthy. You can make it mandatory for a seller to offer this information, but in my view it only raises the bar to offer something for sale. This I think will be the case especially for products that are less likely to find a buyer, such as cars, parts & equipment that are uncommon/rare. Introducing such a rule only makes it harder to sell, and as a buyer, harder to find than they already were.

Assuming that the goal is to increase the rate of happy buyers and sellers, is it possible to:

- Leave it to the buyer to be cautious?
- Nuance aforementioned 'picture' rules based on the reputation/feedback of a seller?
- Introduce handles or a format with which people can put items for sale, can make item decriptions and/or as a buyer, ask about a product's condition, in order to make sure neither party has forgotten to provide or inquire about the product's condition and/or what's included?

[Noob]

Something else, on a sold item the seller deletes the price and sometimes description, I think it should be marked sold and not altered in any other way as it may give a reference for others to see what price things are going for.

[Origineelreclamebord]

Good point. Similarly, could the integrity of the sales section benefit from storing all post content on oOple's servers, and ensuring all edit history is visible? To keep the file database manageable, I can imagine sales posts (or specifically, their attachments) could be live/kept online for only a limited time?

PS: I know the thread/poll relates to a specific question. As such I hope my comments are appreciated and seen as constructive. If I'm going too far off-topic, then please let me know :)

[mark christopher]

Take this,who would buy for that price with no pictures

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194464

[Ross]

Something else, on a sold item the seller deletes the price and sometimes description, I think it should be marked sold and not altered in any other way as it may give a reference for others to see what price things are going for.



Take a look HERE (http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194447) it has been mentioned about not deleting the prices and content in threads.



Good point. Similarly, could the integrity of the sales section benefit from storing all post content on oOple's servers, and ensuring all edit history is visible? To keep the file database manageable, I can imagine sales posts (or specifically, their attachments) could be live/kept online for only a limited time?

PS: I know the thread/poll relates to a specific question. As such I hope my comments are appreciated and seen as constructive. If I'm going too far off-topic, then please let me know :)


Im not sure if any of what you are talking about would cost extra money but I would think the forum is run very tightly.

How ever, thats not to say a one off donation from all of us that use the For Sale/Wanted sections could contribute.

[rondoolaa]

maybe this is a bad idea and wouldnt get much support but has anyone ever thought about having an oople membership, even if its only 1 or 2 pound a year, its the price of a cup of coffee these days or a double cheesburger, it would help pay for the oople servers and would mean you couldnt sell on here unless your a paying member and sellers addresses would be stored through the paypal payment process and help stop scammers just coming on here to con people out of their money, and i agree with every item your selling should have a pic as some scammers use pics found on the web and the owner may see that pic on here and report it and stop people being scammed

[Zippy G]

maybe this is a bad idea and wouldnt get much support but has anyone ever thought about having an oople membership, even if its only 1 or 2 pound a year, its the price of a cup of coffee these days or a double cheesburger, it would help pay for the oople servers and would mean you couldnt sell on here unless your a paying member and sellers addresses would be stored through the paypal payment process and help stop scammers just coming on here to con people out of their money, and i agree with every item your selling should have a pic as some scammers use pics found on the web and the owner may see that pic on here and report it and stop people being scammed

I would have no issues paying a membership fee if it keeps a great forum like Oople going smoothly and as stated it would discourage people just coming on here to scam as they need to pay out money first.:thumbsup:

[daz75]

Let's face it, forums are a dying method of communication with Facebook etc so adding a fee will kill it off even quicker

[fidspeed]

Im up for a few quid donstion

also I won't/don't use Facebook maybe im in minority now but I dont like the horror stories associated with it
no offence to anyone who does though

regards dave

[dodgydiy]

for sale should have photo's, even better with name and date on the photo. photo's need to be hosted on site for short term though as me and several others i know have problems getting them to show, even when resized to be far less than the 400kb limit. make the ads expire and ad plus photo vanish after something like 4 or 6 weeks to reduce the webspace taken up by doing this. i would donate but wouldnt pay a forced subscription, i would just go elsewhere as site interest and content has dropped away a lot in the last year and would be reduced even more by doing this as there are too many other sources available for free online

[Ross]

maybe this is a bad idea and wouldnt get much support but has anyone ever thought about having an oople membership, even if its only 1 or 2 pound a year, its the price of a cup of coffee these days or a double cheesburger, it would help pay for the oople servers and would mean you couldnt sell on here unless your a paying member and sellers addresses would be stored through the paypal payment process and help stop scammers just coming on here to con people out of their money, and i agree with every item you're selling should have a pic as some scammers use pics found on the web and the owner may see that pic on here and report it and stop people being scammed



I would have no issues paying a membership fee if it keeps a great forum like Oople going smoothly and as stated it would discourage people just coming on here to scam as they need to pay out money first.:thumbsup:


Im up for a few quid donstion

also I won't/don't use Facebook maybe im in minority now but I dont like the horror stories associated with it
no offence to anyone who does though

regards dave


One of the gun forums i use has a donation system, you don't have to donate but your name is highlighted in a different colour if you do. They have a target of £100 per month and they reach it every month.






for sale should have photo's, even better with name and date on the photo. photo's need to be hosted on site for short term though as me and several others i know have problems getting them to show, even when resized to be far less than the 400kb limit. make the ads expire and ad plus photo vanish after something like 4 or 6 weeks to reduce the webspace taken up by doing this. i would donate but wouldnt pay a forced subscription, i would just go elsewhere as site interest and content has dropped away a lot in the last year and would be reduced even more by doing this as there are too many other sources available for free online

Also, could the sales post be moderated and not show in the section until a Mod or Admin has authorised it. That way you know all sales have been seen by admin and are good to go.

[Zippy G]

Good point Ross but I think policing it would take up a lot of moderators voulentered time. To kill 2 birds with one stone a fixed minimum charge to sell an item, everyones a winner, the forum has funds and the scammers won't bother. Maybe £1 per sale post, believe me I think I would be giving them the most money LMAO

[Duncan]

This is all a side show :lol:
When can we get down and discuss how bad the cactus 4wd front tyre is
:thumbsup:

[Peakey]

This is all a side show :lol:
When can we get down and discuss how bad the cactus 4wd front tyre is
:thumbsup:

Is it really that bad

[Duncan]

It's a bit of banta we have all bean having. Lol

I pay Schumacher a small fortune a year for tyres and they come out with a new " fully tested " tyre for carpet the cactus
Yet all of us have to spent an hour butchering the tyre to get it to work. Why do I have spend money on a tyre I have to cut to bits .
The time to trim the tyre is enormous, I have to trim two sets one for me and one for my son.
I can't get my head around this. :confused:
Once I have used all I have I will not race with them again.

Rant over

I also think all items for sale should have a photo, if there is no photo I would not buy it anyway.

[Derka]

I think photo's, BB code for free image hosting sites or links to other sites should be mandatory for all for sale items in my opinion.

Also, something I find annoying, and it might be my browser (Firefox) or something but when I want to edit one of my own For Sale posts, it removes all the original post. Why is that? Is it something I am doing wrong?

It usually means I have to copy the post text to re-paste back in, along with edits (Price, spelling, grammar etc) but is a pain with image hosting sites as you lose the BB code.:confused:

[Zippy G]

It's a bit of banta we have all bean having. Lol

I pay Schumacher a small fortune a year for tyres and they come out with a new " fully tested " tyre for carpet the cactus
Yet all of us have to spent an hour butchering the tyre to get it to work. Why do I have spend money on a tyre I have to cut to bits .
The time to trim the tyre is enormous, I have to trim two sets one for me and one for my son.
I can't get my head around this. :confused:
Once I have used all I have I will not race with them again.

Rant over

I also think all items for sale should have a photo, if there is no photo I would not buy it anyway.

Well put Duncan :woot:
To make the tires work I had to cut the centre 2 rows out, then cut the inner and outer rows off and dremmel them smooth THEN! glue the outside wall of the tire. Believe me by the time I had done my tire prep for the recent Christmas meetings I had probably got 1 complete cactus tyre in my lungs via my nose and mouth breathing the dremmel rubberdust.
Do Schumacher do dust masks :lol::lol::lol:

Since we have been using them on the 2wd rear we have noticed a twitchy back end so we resorted to cutting the inner and outer edge off those too and new they work better, once again more rubber.:lol::lol::lol:

Talk about a rubber Turkey for Christmas believe me I was stuffed with rubber.

But overall LOVE the tyre and a huge thanks to Schumacher. NOT!

Rant over, Hope you all have a great year coming.

P.S. Duncan your rant is in the the wrong place

[Adam F]

Jesus.. try running pins on a dry 1/8 track and then you can moan about trimming rows off!

[Duncan]

Fair point :woot:

[Ross]

Jesus.. try running pins on a dry 1/8 track and then you can moan about trimming rows off!

A full set of yellows you mean, no chance lol

[daz75]

Or just use a different tyre :thumbsup:

[Zippy G]

Or just use a different tyre :thumbsup:

That's a bit difficult when the controlled tyre is the cactus for the event:confused:

[daz75]

That's a bit difficult when the controlled tyre is the cactus for the event:confused:

Ah, change events :D

[charlesk]

Good point. Similarly, could the integrity of the sales section benefit from storing all post content on oOple's servers, and ensuring all edit history is visible? To keep the file database manageable, I can imagine sales posts (or specifically, their attachments) could be live/kept online for only a limited time?



Certainly agree with the principle, but what do you do when you've marked an item as sold and people still drop you messages weeks later asking if it's available, or will you take a random amount etc?
I try to mark my items as SOLD as soon as money has changed hands, but still get people asking about them a long time after. I don't delete the content, but like to change the price in the add to SOLD as well in an attempt to avoid non relevant messages.
I can see why people delete the whole thing, since no-one will drop you a message once sold that way.
There is only so many times you can respond saying sold as marked. To me not responding is rude, so still do but hopefully you see my point...
Maybe if we want the adds to remain as they where for reference, then as soon as an item is marked as SOLD, the contact seller option should be removed? That way hopefully both purposes are served.

[Peakey]

One of the gun forums i use has a donation system, you don't have to donate but your name is highlighted in a different colour if you do. They have a target of £100 per month and they reach it every month.


Also, could the sales post be moderated and not show in the section until a Mod or Admin has authorised it. That way you know all sales have been seen by admin and are good to go.

There is a donate link at the top right hand side of the page if you’ve missed it ;)
The problem with moderating every post is the time, I don’t get the tame to get on as much as I’d like so then you’d end up with a backlog and then annoyed people who’s posts have taken an age to be approved.

Certainly agree with the principle, but what do you do when you've marked an item as sold and people still drop you messages weeks later asking if it's available, or will you take a random amount etc?
I try to mark my items as SOLD as soon as money has changed hands, but still get people asking about them a long time after. I don't delete the content, but like to change the price in the add to SOLD as well in an attempt to avoid non relevant messages.
I can see why people delete the whole thing, since no-one will drop you a message once sold that way.
There is only so many times you can respond saying sold as marked. To me not responding is rude, so still do but hopefully you see my point...
Maybe if we want the adds to remain as they where for reference, then as soon as an item is marked as SOLD, the contact seller option should be removed? That way hopefully both purposes are served.

I’m not sure if the option can be removed, if it was just from the sales page people could still just search the user and message them from there.

I personally like people leaving the whole post up with prices just marked sold then you can use them for future reference on priceing your own stuff. I think we could look at reducing the server load by deleting older posts because you can go back quite a way on the old for sale posts with pics too.

[daz75]

I'll help if you need extra mods

[Derka]

I'm also free a lot so can spare time to help

[CHEVY]

Make it easier for people to upload photos-pictures
It seems the common problem is unable or difficulties uploading pics

[daz75]

Make it easier for people to upload photos-pictures
It seems the common problem is unable or difficulties uploading pics

This is the only forum I've ever seen that allow pic uploads. Personally I think it should removed and everyone use the many hosting companies out there

[Peakey]

Make it easier for people to upload photos-pictures
It seems the common problem is unable or difficulties uploading pics

I still use photobucket without issue and if you use a hosting site then all your photos are stored in 1 place

[fidspeed]

I dont even know what a hosting site is?
I have never had a problem uploading photos to oople ? Sure it takes a few minutes
is that a problem for a free advert?
im a luddite I dont use Facebook, or other similiar options I live my life in the real world not on line
I appreciate the effort puf in by oopler mods
thanks guys

[daz75]

I dont even know what a hosting site is?
I have never had a problem uploading photos to oople ? Sure it takes a few minutes
is that a problem for a free advert?
im a luddite I dont use Facebook, or other similiar options I live my life in the real world not on line
I appreciate the effort puf in by oopler mods
thanks guys

Nowt like slagging off a load of people for no reason I'm sure we all have lives off here.

In the online world there is this thing called Google. There is a helpful link below for you.

here you go (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Picture+hosting+sites)

I dont use Facebook either but the oople picture upload has never worked for me.

[Peakey]

Facebook’s cost me a fortune since I’ve been on there :lol:

[fidspeed]

Nowt like slagging off a load of people for no reason I'm sure we all have lives off here.

In the online world there is this thing called Google. There is a helpful link below for you.

here you go (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Picture+hosting+sites)

I dont use Facebook either but the oople picture upload has never worked for me.

Im sorry is anyone is offeded by my remark , However I cant see I mentioned anyone in particular ? It was a general statement of society . Where I work at lunch I see twenty or so staff almost all will be en grossed in a smartphone.
I come from an era when we didnt own a telephone in our house until I was a teenager and video games werent invented
.technology has developed incredibly in the last 50 years while I have been wandering this planet some of it is excellent and can be life saving. Some of it is uttetly pointless.I try to take the good bits and discard the dross.
I am not that backward I cant use google I use it heavily in my work , some other stuff I dont understand

back on topic poll is unanimously in favour of pics for posts however they are uploaded not
links that don't often work
kind regards from an old man trying to keep up with a modern world

[CHEVY]

I agree with fidspeed not everyone
facebook user or tech savvy :D

[xfactor]

Agree, myself not good with technology, a phone is a pain in the arse for me as the Mrs can get me all the time. I dont do facebook either.

When I first started to upload pictures on here I couldnt upload all the time and had no idea why sometimes they would and sometimes they wouldnt.

Then I was told to crop the photo, which I do now and the pictures never fail to upload..........

[Ross]

This could be a reason why tighter rules are needed.

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195086

[Peakey]

That’s pretty unanimous :lol: I’ll get to writing up some adapted rules when I get a minute, thanks for everyone’s feedback:thumbsup: