Mamba Max & other motors

[Alfonzo]

I want to do some regional and maybe national events this year. I want to keep my Mamba Max speedo but apparently the mamba motor isn't legal (i assume this still holds true) What other BL motors (sensorless) will work with my speedo?

Cheers.

[Welshy40]

All of the Orion, Peak, LRP, Nosram, and basically ones with the sensored connectors slots or the wires to be plugged in. I used a 4.5 Peak with my Mamba and worked well.

Novak comes with the wire attached and wont work.

[Alfonzo]

Not sure I understand - are you saying that the motors to use are ones which DO have sensor 'ports' on them, even though the Mamba Max is sensorless, or have I misunderstood?

[jono83]

yes al i will see you on thursday and we can have a chat if you like

[Welshy40]

Not sure I understand - are you saying that the motors to use are ones which DO have sensor 'ports' on them, even though the Mamba Max is sensorless, or have I misunderstood?

Yes, as long as the motors do not have any sensor wires attached you can use even if our mamba hasnt got the sensor wires system. Novak and Corally do have sensor wires attached and will not work with your mamba.

Orion, Nosram, LRP do work and I have used with my Mamba. Do not buy a 4.5 as its too powerful for your esc (it over heats), but a 5.5 or 6.5 is a good choice.

[Alfonzo]

Cheers lads.

Jono - see you Thursday.

Welshy - thanks for the advice. I'll avoid a 4.5 (WAAAyyy too fast for me anyways!)

Nice one.

[Dagger Thrasher]

Alfonso, Welshy's right in that most sensored motors will run perfectly OK on the sensorless Mamba...but you also shouldn't have a problem with any motors that have the sensor cables hardwired to them either. Sorry Welshy, I'm not trying to burst your bubble. It makes no difference if a motor has the sensor cable hardwired to the motor, or if it just plugs in; this has no bearing on the Mamba's ability to run the motor (the Mamba will just run any motor as sensorless). That ability depends on the motor's actual electromagnetic design. There are a couple of odd motors out there that it doesn't get along with so well, but it'll run most of them just fine as long as you have the latest 1.20 firmware installed.

Unfortunately, there aren't many (if any, I'm not sure) sensorless-only motors out there that are BRCA-legal. Something like a Neu 1406 when it comes out, or Medusa Afterburner V2 would be amazing motors to use...but is just as illegal as the Castle CM36 motors unfortunately.

The Mamba also shouldn't have any problems running low-turn motors, like a 4.5 or 3.5; it can handle more current than most other 1/10th speedos out there. Maybe there was something not quite right with your setup, Welshy?

[Alfonzo]

I did wonder about the motor limit issue as I believe the Mamba Max is good for 7700kv motors, but not sure if that is 'gruntier' than a 4.5. All academic as too much power for me :D

I run the CM36 5700kv which has plenty of power, and I wouldn't change it if it were legal.

Cheers guys.

[budgio]

I,m pretty sure the Mtroniks p2 plasma sensorless motors are BRCA legal.
Google "mtroniks plasma"
But correct me if i,m wrong ;)

[Alfonzo]

Looks good. And whilst I'm going on - what about a Tekin Redline motor and a Mamba Max?

[Stefan C]

I used to run mamba max's all the time and i found the best motors were Team Orions, My 1st gen team orion 3.5 was amazing with it with zero cogging. I have tried an LRP with it before and it didnt like in sensoreless at all.

And If you manage to overheat a mamba max with a 4.5 then well...thats just weird :P, The thing can handle 12 Cells and iv'e run 7.4v 3.5 lipo before with it and the thing doesn't even break sweat.

These things are the Brick Sh**t House of ESC's :D

Stef

[Dagger Thrasher]

Good point, I'd not thought about the Redlines (and the Plasma). Last I heard, the Tekin Redlines were being considered by the BRCA but I don't know if they're actually legal (I'm not a racer myself). It'd definitely be a good idea to find out though. Looking at the specs, they should be very nice motors. I don't know from experience how well they run on the Mamba Max, but there's no reason why they shouldn't be just fine.

I have tried an LRP with it before and it didnt like in sensoreless at all.

What firmware were you using? The older versions had problems with some motors, but 1.20 is a big improvement over 1.19...which in itself, was a huge advance from 1.17.

[Stefan C]

i was running theee latest and greatest, i even emailed castle about it, Hmmmm delta turn maybe ;) thatd fly :D

[simon]

Hi,
What is the latest firmware upgrade for the mamba max and where is it,i go on to the castle creations website and go to downloads and there is only the 1.17?

cheers simon......by the way i run the mtroniks motors and they are great:thumbsup:

[Welshy40]

Alfonso, Welshy's right in that most sensored motors will run perfectly OK on the sensorless Mamba...but you also shouldn't have a problem with any motors that have the sensor cables hardwired to them either. Sorry Welshy, I'm not trying to burst your bubble. It makes no difference if a motor has the sensor cable hardwired to the motor, or if it just plugs in; this has no bearing on the Mamba's ability to run the motor (the Mamba will just run any motor as sensorless). That ability depends on the motor's actual electromagnetic design. There are a couple of odd motors out there that it doesn't get along with so well, but it'll run most of them just fine as long as you have the latest 1.20 firmware installed.

Unfortunately, there aren't many (if any, I'm not sure) sensorless-only motors out there that are BRCA-legal. Something like a Neu 1406 when it comes out, or Medusa Afterburner V2 would be amazing motors to use...but is just as illegal as the Castle CM36 motors unfortunately.

The Mamba also shouldn't have any problems running low-turn motors, like a 4.5 or 3.5; it can handle more current than most other 1/10th speedos out there. Maybe there was something not quite right with your setup, Welshy?

Well I learnt something new. Cheers. Mind you the wire may get in the way if you do choose something like that. My 4.5 made the esc very hot and I had to screw in a fan but that didnt help out that well either. The Mamba motors run a lot cooler hence why I rekon a 5.5 would be better suited without any harm coming to the esc. Maybe my esc was faulty but then again I geared it quite high.

[Dagger Thrasher]

Hi,
What is the latest firmware upgrade for the mamba max and where is it,i go on to the castle creations website and go to downloads and there is only the 1.17?


Sorry, I got my firmware version numbers a bit mixed up lol. 1.17 was the latest version that's listed on the Mamba Max page, but 1.20 is the very latest release. It was actually originally meant for the Mamba Monster, but works beautifully on the Max too. For some reason it's not listed under the Mamba Max page, but it most certainly works. You'll need to download the latest version of CastleLink, and then you should see the 1.20 firmware available to update to under the one of the tabs.

Welshy, you're welcome. Yup, you just have to make sure the sensor cable gets tucked out of the way.;) It sounds like perhaps you were geared a bit high as you say, as it should run a 4.5T motor without breaking a sweat.

[simon]

Hi dagger,
I have downloaded the latest version of castle link,but when i try to run it,i get a message saying ..this archive is corrupted...??

[pugboy]

Not sure about the firmware query, I just intalled mine and clicked for latest update and it just did it automatically, but as the others say I think it is only V1.17. Seems excellent though and software a doddle to use. Maybe it's an operating sytem issue?

I have just bought one of these for my 4wd after reading many good things and have found the quality, set up and as I said software all excellent so far, I was just disappointed to find out that the motors are not BRCA legal. I run a Losi motor in my other car with LRP sphere and am chuffed with that. Anyone know if the Losi motors are ok to operate reliably and smoothly in sensorless mode? Alternatively, is there any chance that the Castle Creations motors could be legalised?

[Dagger Thrasher]

That's odd; it should show up as a firmware version in CastleLink. If you look in the right-most tab (or second from right, I can't remember exactly) then it should give you a list of available firmwares. What does it show?

As for the Castle CM36 motorsnot being legal...there's a whole big story about that. Castle didn't get to have much of a say in the rules for ROAR, and the BRCA took on similar tight ruling for some reason. Anyway, Castle have been talking about making changes to their CM36 motors to possibly make them legal...or at least, change the design (AFAIK, to update them to a slotted design) and try to make sure they have a good say next time the rules are revised. Don't quote me on any of that though lol.;)

The sensorless Losi motors will run just fine of course, and their sensored motors *should* be ok...but it'd be worth asking around to see if anyone's tried that combination. Like I say, the Mamba doesn't get along with the odd few sensored motors for some reason.

Edit: Simon, sounds like your download corrupted. Same thing happened to me. Re-download it, and it should be fine. :)

[Stefan C]

Hi

I have tried the losi motors with it and they run okay, You get a little cogging at the start but once it is moving it runs just fine:)

[simon]

Hi dagger,

Thanks...yes,re downloaded it and its fine :thumbsup:.....what differance does this newer firmware make to the mamba max over the old 1.17 firmware??

[Dagger Thrasher]

Aside from the improved motor drive algorithms, there are the usual bug fixes. The changes are listed under the Mamba FRH page. It doesn't mention the motor drive improvements as they were already present in 1.19 and 1.18 (which were only really meant for the Monster anyway). If for whatever reason you don't get along with 1.20 then you can easily move back to 1.17, but from what I've heard, it's a marked improvement.
I'd use it myself on my Mamba Maxes, but I got a new PC which runs Vista 64 before 1.20 came out...and Vista 64 won't recognise the Max. Driver issue, lol.

[Thomas B]

Hello! New here on Oople.

Someone who has experience of Mtroniks P2 motor? Where can you buy these?

[budgio]

Welcome ;)

In the UK?
try here
http://www.fusionhobbies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MT_PLASMA_55&click=2

[Thomas B]

Hello!

I bought a Graupner Sports 9.5T instead. Works really well with my Mamba Sidewinder ESC and 2s Intellect lipo. Coggs minimal. Very soft start. Works cleanly, driving GM-Racing motors without sensor.

[Carole_MH]

Cant you do the old trick of running the castle creations software as an administrator in vista rather than running it as a user, this was always the way of solving the problem and I used to run it perfect in vista but I got rid of the esc/combo as I used to get real overheating problems, so much so the esc would shut down and more often than not my nimh cells would get so hot they were almost at melting/bursting point.