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ryan

26-03-2009, 01:01 PM

Im getting all excited now! Not long tell the first F1 race of the year, anyone got any predictions?

Im going to be backing Brawn GP, i think JB deserves a good season!

DCM

26-03-2009, 01:07 PM

well, there will be a little race... then a procession, lots of controversy and, dare I add, some deflated ego's from pre-season testing results.

I do think McLaren have sandbagged, Brawn have run underweight to gain attention and attract sponsors, Alonso will be up there, somewhere... a red car.

Oh, and all cars will look really odd, like they are filming head on shots, with a Fish Eye lense.... haha :woot:

Southwell

26-03-2009, 01:09 PM

Brawn have run underweight to gain attention and attract sponsors

I think if you follow the 10 lap runs most teams have been doing Brawn were around 3/4-1 second faster over a stint. I was following the testing closely and the pace does look genuine.

Kopite

26-03-2009, 01:16 PM

Kubica for the win

millzy

26-03-2009, 01:21 PM

toyota or Williams for a shock win if Brawn GP get stuck in a battel holding the big guns off.

whats the plan then are you all going to bed and waking up at 5am or going hardcore like me and not going to bed friday night and watch as much crap lat night tell as you can untill the f1s on

ryan

26-03-2009, 01:26 PM

Im going bed before 5, watch F1...then going racing at 9.30 :D

Thats not hardcore millzy, thats sounds dumb! lol

SHY

26-03-2009, 01:28 PM

Alonso baby!!! :thumbsup:

Massa second, Barrichello third...

It's good Hamilton has a pussycat doll right now I think... they'll need more time to get up to speed... :D

millzy

26-03-2009, 01:32 PM

Im going bed before 5, watch F1...then going racing at 9.30 :D

Thats not hardcore millzy, thats sounds dumb! lol

friday ill stay up

sat night ill go to bed, wake up, watch the f1 and then head up to taly for more jump building work

Southwell

26-03-2009, 01:36 PM

whats the plan then are you all going to bed and waking up at 5am or going hardcore like me and not going to bed friday night and watch as much crap lat night tell as you can untill the f1s on

Thats my plan too. Ive got 5 crates of coors, some absolute and 3 bottles of wine to help in my quest. Plus the mrs is away this week so i wont get moaned at for being too loud. Guitar Hero at 5am with two guitars going off and a sub isn't loud in my opinion. :woot:

millzy

26-03-2009, 01:40 PM

Thats my plan too. Ive got 5 crates of coors, some absolute and 3 bottles of wine to help in my quest. Plus the mrs is away this week so i wont get moaned at for being too loud. Guitar Hero at 5am with two guitars going off and a sub isn't loud in my opinion. :woot:

haha thats wicked. the kids will be up at 7am so im only having a few to drink

got lots of stakes and chicken breast to grill mind

Alex H

26-03-2009, 01:41 PM

Southwell

26-03-2009, 01:43 PM

BBC. It will be on Iplayer but it's only available in the UK i believe.

David Church

26-03-2009, 02:02 PM

SHY

26-03-2009, 02:06 PM

What network broadcasts the races in the U.K? Here in Sweden it has been moved to a satellite operator so the general public cant watch it anymore:(. Last year everybody had acces to the events but now perhaps 3% of the population:thumbdown:. It sucks bigtime.

Here in Norway there's these options now:

-Viasat Premium package (expensive). Shown on Viasat Motor.
-RTL. Good & cheap! But you'd better understand german...
-a rerun will be shown on SportN

How about TV4?

I'd love to watch in on BBC, those commentators are great! But as you say it's available only on sattelite not cable...

Southwell

26-03-2009, 02:18 PM

Enjoy the race guys, I will be at the Players 09 meeting!!!!:thumbsup:
Sky is set to record it, and I can allways catch a bit at the hotel before I go commentate!!!

And Ian, if you can spend that much on booze, you should have gone racing instead!!!!:woot::woot::thumbsup:

Dude, im falling apart. I have an eye infection this week, well my eye lid is swollen. Ive never had anything like that. :thumbdown:

David Church

26-03-2009, 02:22 PM

Dude, im falling apart. I have an eye infection this week, well my eye lid is swollen. Ive never had anything like that. :thumbdown:

I will let you off as you so kindly donated to the EPR raffle!!!!
Get well soon and enjoy the booze and the F-1, which is set to be fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

millzy

26-03-2009, 02:29 PM

Dude, im falling apart. I have an eye infection this week, well my eye lid is swollen. Ive never had anything like that. :thumbdown:

send me your 4wd if your ill

Southwell

26-03-2009, 02:34 PM

send me your 4wd if your ill

Jog on, she's dialled.

millzy

26-03-2009, 02:41 PM

so let me have a run, could be temeped to switch

ryan

26-03-2009, 02:50 PM

He does want it back in one peice Millzy, but i guess he will just break it again. So you might as well :)

Alex H

26-03-2009, 03:05 PM

Here in Norway there's these options now:

-Viasat Premium package (expensive). Shown on Viasat Motor.

How about TV4?

That´s just it, only on Viasat motors:(. Tv6 used to broadcast it but now its only avalible on Viasat motors (same operator). They think they will sell more boxes but I dont think its going to work. People belive its each mans right to watch F1...just like the eurovision song contest, DOH! Yeahh, right!

johnboy

26-03-2009, 04:18 PM

iam predicting
1st raikkonen
2nd vettel
3rd kubica
out of the brits i think button will finish higher than hamilton

Nick Goodall

26-03-2009, 05:27 PM

I have to say i think Kubica could be on for a good result, as will Alonso but it's at least really exciting this year as nobody really knows!

I have no doubt that Ferrari and Mclaren will both still be quick, but they won't have the dominance they've had previously - i think Toyota, BMW, Williams, Renault, Brawn will have made huge progress on the big 2. I'm not sure where Red Bull will find themselves after this diffuser row - i've heard their car has a different suspension set-up and they won't be able to change their car to match the others?

rich_cree

26-03-2009, 09:05 PM

RudeTony

26-03-2009, 09:14 PM

Jesus lads - is there no one out there British anymore......??!!!

Lewis will win and I think deserves to as well.
Everyone is against him because he is pure talent.

McLaren only 5 miles away from my home and Marinellos Ferrari less than 6 miles away.....

Fed up with Red - come on Lewis....:lol::lol:

rich_cree

26-03-2009, 09:16 PM

Southwell

26-03-2009, 09:24 PM

The thing people forget, or choose not to acknowledge is that Lewis won the championship over the Ferrari's and his car wasn't as consistant as theirs. His talent does seem to overcome cars weaknesses, but as always in F1 you have to be in a pretty good car to be front running, no matter how good a driver you are. Ill be rooting for Lewis and Jenson. My favourite non English driver is Nico, don't know why.

Agt26

26-03-2009, 09:28 PM

I reckon it will be kubica or Alonso in qualifiying as from what i've heard the mclaren have been having quite a few teething problems :( though hopefully they have or are on there way sorting them out. :thumbsup:

The Race, who knows :eh?:

RudeTony

26-03-2009, 09:34 PM

Your right....McLaren do seem to have some problems but I also think that all the teams seem to be hiding something.....so many changes on the rules this year it's near a new start for all of them for sure....

Come on Lewis :thumbsup:

budgio

26-03-2009, 09:53 PM

Whats the weather forecast out there?
I know Melbourne has had heavy rain recently.The best races are always when rain is involved :)
It,ll probably be scorchio though

telboy

26-03-2009, 10:06 PM

Should be interesting if it rains, with the way the cars don't seem to handle in the wet. :)

I predict, Lots of unusual drivers up front. A big pile up at the first turn (with all those inexperienced drivers up front) and all the old hands will end up at the front again through pure luck.

I think 1-Raikonen, 2-Button, 3-Webber.

I don't think I'll be doing the all nighter, but will try and keep up for the practice sessions on bbc interactive on the saturday morning at 1:30.

Come on the brits!!!!:thumbsup:

paulc

26-03-2009, 10:08 PM

jenson button to win !!:thumbsup:

Southwell

27-03-2009, 10:37 AM

Just watched the practice session and it could be quite interesting. The tyres are graining quite a lot and lots of mistakes are happening, should make the race fun!

SHY

27-03-2009, 10:52 AM

Sounds promising!

Williams seem to be on the pace!

xjr14

27-03-2009, 11:36 AM

Well rain on sunday seems to be not happening, if you believe the forecasts.

As for my predictions: I had a quick look at the stint sheets from todays sessions. http://fialive.fiacommunications.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Pages/timing.aspx

I don`t see Williams at the top tomorrow, would be nice, but it`s not happening. Also Rosberg seems NEVER to deliver when a weekend / grid position looks promising!
Brawn will be up front, best longruns, seem to manage the tires best.
Ferrari will be in the mix at the top I think, but i suspect at least one of them to DNF.
Toyota, well also in the top group just behind the Brawns, seeam to be reliable and managing the tires well. ...and with Jarno the "Ueber-Qualifier" they should start at a good position.
Renault? Fernando beating up the car like hell, I have no idea where to place them! Fernando the best currently active driver will somehow overdrive the cars problems, Piquet struggeling as always.
McLaren, well no sandbagging, what was said during the last 2 weeks seems to be right, points impossible without a crazy race.
FroceIndia should be at the back.
RedBull / TorroRosso...tz it should be my favourite team, but the things Dr. Helmut Marko was telling the press this week, well truly unproffessional. If you think the diffusor three run illegal floor and you want to protest, then pick your words carefully as Dr. Mario Theissen or the Ferrari guys have done. Two good drivers, Vettel still with a big ??? their have always been drivers who shined in not-so-good cars (Alesi / Fisichella / Herbert sometimes /Frentzen ....), so we have to see if he can lead a team. Webber is good, but no leader or world champion. Hopefully without points, aa eagerly as I want neweys cars to win, but well everything is overshadowed for me. Besides that long-rungs are not as good as they should be and reliability can always be a problem for them.
...oh forgot BMW: They don`t show any pace fridays, but what Kubica had to tell his engineer on the radio seems to be a handful. No challenger for the win, no prob for me, don`t like the team, Heidfeld is the most overrated driver since Ralf Schumacher, and I hope they pay for their arrogance of 2008. Remember, Kubica was in the tilte fight a very long time, but stupid BMW were not willing to develop for that fight. They had their win in Canada, concentrated on the 2009 car and on helping poor little Heidfeld to learn to drive again. Never ever let a title chance slip away that easily, even if you think you can win it next year. As it turns out, they don`t have the Ueber-Car, KERS is not worth enough lap time wise, the car is eating up the tires and does not handle well. Only Heidfeld running KERS.
KERS cars should be both Ferraris, both Macs, both Renaults and Heidfeld. Should be interesting as Anthony Davidson (Brawn) said calculations say those teams could gain up to 2 rows (!!)on the start using KERS.

SlowOne

29-03-2009, 08:57 AM

I need to invest my savings on something that pays more than 0.5%, and am looking for advice about what the future may hold. Here's a list of people I won't ask...

well, there will be a little race... then a procession, lots of controversy and, dare I add, some deflated ego's from pre-season testing results.

I do think McLaren have sandbagged, Brawn have run underweight to gain attention and attract sponsors, Alonso will be up there, somewhere... a red car.

Oh, and all cars will look really odd, like they are filming head on shots, with a Fish Eye lense.... haha :woot:

Alonso baby!!! :thumbsup:

Massa second, Barrichello third...

It's good Hamilton has a pussycat doll right now I think... they'll need more time to get up to speed... :D

iam predicting
1st raikkonen
2nd vettel
3rd kubica
out of the brits i think button will finish higher than hamilton

I have to say i think Kubica could be on for a good result, as will Alonso but it's at least really exciting this year as nobody really knows!

I have no doubt that Ferrari and Mclaren will both still be quick, but they won't have the dominance they've had previously - i think Toyota, BMW, Williams, Renault, Brawn will have made huge progress on the big 2. I'm not sure where Red Bull will find themselves after this diffuser row - i've heard their car has a different suspension set-up and they won't be able to change their car to match the others?

Jesus lads - is there no one out there British anymore......??!!!

Lewis will win and I think deserves to as well.
Everyone is against him because he is pure talent.

McLaren only 5 miles away from my home and Marinellos Ferrari less than 6 miles away.....

Fed up with Red - come on Lewis....:lol::lol:

Should be interesting if it rains, with the way the cars don't seem to handle in the wet. :)

I predict, Lots of unusual drivers up front. A big pile up at the first turn (with all those inexperienced drivers up front) and all the old hands will end up at the front again through pure luck.

I think 1-Raikonen, 2-Button, 3-Webber.

I don't think I'll be doing the all nighter, but will try and keep up for the practice sessions on bbc interactive on the saturday morning at 1:30.

Come on the brits!!!!:thumbsup:

...and here's the person who might know!!

jenson button to win !!:thumbsup:

:D :D :D :p:p

paulc

29-03-2009, 09:32 AM

lol new i should have gone to the bookies :lol:

losixxx

29-03-2009, 10:39 AM

Brawn were 150/1 to win in OZ before the Barcelona test session...and 750/1 for a 1-2

paulc

29-03-2009, 10:53 AM

:cry: bollox that made me feel better not :lol:

OldTimer

29-03-2009, 11:03 AM

Hamilton promoted to third, as Trulli passed when the SC was out, and Vettel given a 10 place grid penalty for next weekend for not pulling off the track when instructed to do so. A eventful race bring on Malaysia :thumbsup:

Rich your guys looked strong ;)

telboy

29-03-2009, 07:01 PM

rich_cree

29-03-2009, 07:17 PM

Arse......

Northy

29-03-2009, 07:26 PM

Arse......

I'm guessing Mr. V won't be Mr. popular back at the factory Rich? :lol:

G

DCM

29-03-2009, 07:27 PM

Well, Awesome opening race.!:thumbsup:

Despite Hamilton being promoted after the race and gaining 2 places through messrs Kubica's and Vettels uselessness...I think Hammy had a good performance form 18th! Not exactly Senna quality but good none the less.

But a great day for Brawn, button and barricello.

...But I think that Malaysia will be a totally different story, and with those long straights, I think that the KERS cars may have more of an edge than at Melbourne.

watching it, it acts more like a 'push to pass' type of button, so I really don't know, unless they can get a full charge at each heavy braking point?

Good race though.... some real 'bod' moments though, think I seen Vettel and Kubica racing at my club today, lol

strobe

29-03-2009, 07:33 PM

Certainly the 'B' factor today. Brawn, Button, Barrichelo and Branson. Looks like he is going to back the team and promote his Virgin low emmition fuel?

telboy

30-03-2009, 08:36 PM

I'm guessing Mr. V won't be Mr. popular back at the factory Rich? :lol:

G

I don't think it was Vettels fault personally. I think he had the inside line and Kubica moved in on him.....THEN, nailed the throttle to push vettel off the track!! So I think the penalty was a bit harsh. Also, why did Barricello not get the same penalty for 'causing an unavoidable accident'....twice!
And the steward decisions are supposed to be more consistent this year!:lol:

How Kubica ever thought he could get through that next corner without a front wing is beyond me!:confused:

Kubi is a good driver, but from what I heard on the practice sessions radio transmissions, he doesn't know how to get the car to work. You heard Button etc. on their radios, and they were like "I need more of this, so we need to alter these. and to provide me with more of that, we need to alter this.....etc.etc." But Kubi didn't have a clue. He was just saying "I don't know why the car doesn't work. I don't know what to do with it, its like its driving itself"....obviosly, in a morbid polish accent.

SlowOne

31-03-2009, 07:30 AM

Southwell

31-03-2009, 07:37 AM

I don't think it was Vettels fault personally. I think he had the inside line and Kubica moved in on him.....THEN, nailed the throttle to push vettel off the track!! So I think the penalty was a bit harsh. Also, why did Barricello not get the same penalty for 'causing an unavoidable accident'....twice!

Rubens said afterwards he was hit from behind on the start, which put him into Webber, whether that's correct or not i don't know.

It seems as though Brawn haven't really got an advantage over their rivals as they were all pegging him quite well, whether he was driving within himself and others were pushing hard remains to be seen, they might be able to go a lot quicker but no-one knows.

Southwell

31-03-2009, 07:40 AM

watching it, it acts more like a 'push to pass' type of button, so I really don't know, unless they can get a full charge at each heavy braking point?

Good race though.... some real 'bod' moments though, think I seen Vettel and Kubica racing at my club today, lol

Kers will only give you an advantage on acceleration, the top speeds are still the same for all cars. Hamilton showed how to use it to good effect and get himself up from the back of the grid. Once they perfect the system and ballast i think they could eventually have an advantage over non kers cars.

Southwell

02-04-2009, 09:31 AM

Hamilton dq'd and Trulli promoted back to 3rd.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7978186.stm

timmy121

02-04-2009, 10:02 AM

what the hell wish they would make up there mind

millzy

02-04-2009, 10:11 AM

have you guys been on the red button this week?

go to sports mulitscreen

they got the Oz highlights and then if you select option 4 you can watch highlights from the malaysia gp starting from 1999 to 2008 :):)

Fabs

02-04-2009, 10:21 AM

Vettel's penalty wasn't for the accident, it was for driving a damaged car instead of pulling up. The Rules are quite clear - if the car has no chance of continuing, driver must pull over immediately. He got hammered for that, not the collision with Kubica.

As for that - two young drivers, both with competitive cars not having doubtful diffusers who might inherit 10 points if the Brawn is banned (those 'B's again!! :D) wanting to get as good a place as possible. One thinks the other has c**p tyres and won't fight, the other thinks he can defend anything and get away with it. Cue accident waiting to happen.

And before anyone comes on with another version of blame and stupidity, tell me you've never done this on the track yourself!! People in glass houses...

Wrong Vettel's penalty was for the accident and the fine was for driving with a damaged car.

IMHO it was 100% Kubica's fault, you could see on the helicopter shots that he aimed for the apex even though Vettel's car was there. Had he been reasonable and taken a line that left Vettel some space, he'd have gone past at the corner's exit and come 2nd.

Rich D

02-04-2009, 11:01 AM

What! ?

Hamilton/McLaren penalised AGAIN !!! :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :(

The F1 Gestapo strikes again.

Body Paint

02-04-2009, 11:05 AM

What! ?

Hamilton/McLaren penalised AGAIN !!! :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :(

The F1 Gestapo strikes again.

It's a F****g joke aint it.... I guess nothing changes:rolleyes:

Rich D

02-04-2009, 11:09 AM

I reckon id of quit by now despite the £ ! - its getting silly !

Northy

02-04-2009, 11:10 AM

I've said it before, but I'll say it again, the FIA are a bunch of cock ferrets! :thumbdown::thumbdown:

G

xjr14

02-04-2009, 11:18 AM

Well Northy is right in general, but not in this specific case. Just my opinion. It`s still a joke in a way as the average, non-nerd person will never understand all of this. Decisions and races HAVE to be understandable for those people who just tune in by accident because nothing else is on the telly....

Fabs

02-04-2009, 11:26 AM

What! ?

Hamilton/McLaren penalised AGAIN !!! :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :(

The F1 Gestapo strikes again.

This is funny... So last year there were claims that the FIA was in favour of Ferrari... But this time, the Ferraris didn't even finish so it's to no advantage for them. Still people claim Hamilton and Mc Laren are being treated with unfairness... You guys might have to consider the idea that there could be a good reason for that.

What about Trulli? Was it fair that he got a penalty even though he didn't do anything wrong ? Surely if Hamilton passed him under safety car then let him through again, then he deserved that 3rd place...

Northy

02-04-2009, 11:28 AM

Now just to clarify, I'm not saying this is the wrong decision, but just that it shouldn't have taken a week to decide. I agree with xjr14, Joe Blogs won't understand any of this and just won't bother watching it next time.

Aparently, when LH overtook JT (cos he went 'off' under safety car conditions like a pleb) they were asking if they had to let him back past? Should they? Did JT deserve his place back? Well they got no answer. Perhaps there's no rule for being a cock under safety car conditions?

I see an opening for Mr. PW, to tighten up the F1 rule book and keep them all in line. :lol::lol::lol:

G

Fabs

02-04-2009, 11:34 AM

As I understand the reason for Hamilton's disqualification is not about who passed who but about what they told the stewards at the time and if they said something that wasn't the truth to make sure they got 3rd place, surely they have to be penalised for that.

DCM

02-04-2009, 11:38 AM

I think that the FIA need to have a lot more transparency on these matters!!

Kecky

02-04-2009, 11:40 AM

Northy

02-04-2009, 11:43 AM

I don't care why he was disqualified, and infact they won't tell us, all they tell us is "new evidence came to light" or similar. What bollox. Just tell us what the crack is FFS.

G

Fabs

02-04-2009, 11:46 AM

Yet more FIA red tape overshadowing Formula 1 :mad:
They have to be more precise and faster in making and letting the public know about what is going on, otherwise it does F1 more damage than good yet again :thumbdown:

totally agree with that, it's like the diffuser issue. Why wait for the first grand prix to allow teams to protest, and why wait so long for the hearing. Surely the FIA KNEW there will be a protest and KNEW there would be a hearing so they COULD have taken preventive measuers and had the hearing this week...

Now for the funny part, IF the hearing concludes that the diffusers are illegal, then the podium for Australia will be 1 Alonso, 2 Buemi, 3 Bourdais. I think that'd be funny and would possibly make Buemi the youngest driver to get on the podium and certainly the youngest to make a podium on his debut...

leon morrell

02-04-2009, 11:48 AM

the way i see it the information lewis didn't give was not relevent anyway...

he could of told them he farted on lap 42 but there was no fucking nead
i think there a bunch of job's worth's this will spoil another f1 season with shit decissions being made all the time ...

Northy

02-04-2009, 11:48 AM

Its all rubbish isn't it? And even as a die hard F1 fan makes me want to say bollox to it all. :(

G

Kecky

02-04-2009, 11:50 AM

Will the Melbourne Podium ever get finalised :lol:

The only person making any money out of this will be the engravers :lol:

leon morrell

02-04-2009, 11:50 AM

this makes things clear fabs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7978186.stm

leon morrell

02-04-2009, 11:50 AM

pmsl @ kecky

Northy

02-04-2009, 11:51 AM

the way i see it the information lewis didn't give was not relevent anyway...

he could of told them he farted on lap 42 but there was no f**king nead

Sorry officer, I farted and thought I'd followed through, so I slowed down a bit, and had a squirm around in seat to see if it was just warm or if it was wet too...... :lol:

G

Kecky

02-04-2009, 11:52 AM

Sorry officer, I farted and thought I'd followed through, so I slowed down a bit, and had a squirm around in seat to see if it was just warm or if it was wet too...... :lol:

G

Sorry officer, i only put my head down for a 'confirmation sniff', and only took my eyes off the track for a second :lol:

Northy

02-04-2009, 11:55 AM

Quote from JT:

"I think the FIA was clever enough to understand the situation."

Well JT, if only you had been bloody clever enough to keep it on the black shiz under safety car conditions, none of this bollox would have happened.

10 - 4 good buddy, over and out.

G

Fabs

02-04-2009, 12:30 PM

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090402130159.shtml

What about that one?

I think the fact that Mc Laren do not appeal the decision speaks for itself.

bodgit

02-04-2009, 12:34 PM

Surely it is the stewards job to find out what happened. They are supposed to watch every second of the race and make decisions, not after the even say sorry mate we were watching porno channel 7, tell us what happened.
There should have been no need for the teams to be questioned about a simple overtaking manouver under yellw flags.
Next time Lewis just say sorry bstewards I dont remember anything.

Southwell

02-04-2009, 12:36 PM

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090402130159.shtml

What about that one?

I think the fact that Mc Laren do not appeal the decision speaks for itself.

The problem i think they are having is they are worried about decisions based upon what they deem to be the rules, only to have problems after the race. They gave back the position when race control couldn't give them an answer at the moment in time due to being too busy to respond to the question. There is no point in appealing now as they have reviewed new information and made their decision, besides, you know McLaren never get help from the FIA(T) :p

Kecky

02-04-2009, 12:38 PM

And when Jean Todt takes over from Mad Max.......RIP McLaren ;)

DCM

02-04-2009, 12:43 PM

This has a crazier plot than Allo Allo....

JT falls off the track... Hamilton passes
Hamilton gives the place back...... JT Passes....
Stewards say JT passed under a safety car, so Hamilton moves up....
Stewards now say it was Hamiltons fault..... DQ

As far as I am concerned, the two drivers sorted it out on the track....

This just makes watching F1 a load of Wank, when the race is finished, you should know the finishing order by the time they hit the podium, thats like watching a rugby match, then waiting a week for the results... Stewrds decision is final, and no need for tinkering after, by the FIA...

Cue the conspiracy theorists and the 'I hate Ferrari' groups...

bodgit

02-04-2009, 12:47 PM

Just been reading that Malaysia's infamous tropical weather (http://www.malaysiatravel.org.uk/climate.html) announced its arrival at the Sepang International Circuit (http://www.malaysiangp.com.my/) with impeccable timing on Thursday.
Ok nothing new in wet racing....but Brawn have only tested in the DRY
this should be a good indicator of how good the car is if they can adapt in just 2 days

Fabs

02-04-2009, 12:51 PM

As far as I am concerned, the two drivers sorted it out on the track....

Couldn't agree more... Both the original sentence on Trulli and Hamilton's disqualification are very harsh indeed. Trulli didn't intend to pass Hamilton under yellow flags but got a 25s penalty for that which is a lot considering that the safety car pulled out at the end of the last lap, and I'm sure Hamilton didn't mean to deceive the stewards. The original classification was just fine...

Fabs

02-04-2009, 01:25 PM

I Think this couldn't be anymore clear:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9115.html

mark christopher

02-04-2009, 01:29 PM

This is funny... So last year there were claims that the FIA was in favour of Ferrari... But this time, the Ferraris didn't even finish so it's to no advantage for them. Still people claim Hamilton and Mc Laren are being treated with unfairness... You guys might have to consider the idea that there could be a good reason for that.

What about Trulli? Was it fair that he got a penalty even though he didn't do anything wrong ? Surely if Hamilton passed him under safety car then let him through again, then he deserved that 3rd place...

As I understand the reason for Hamilton's disqualification is not about who passed who but about what they told the stewards at the time and if they said something that wasn't the truth to make sure they got 3rd place, surely they have to be penalised for that.
agree fabs

"I think Lewis then saw half a chance of a third place instead of a fourth, went up to the stewards and didn't give them the full story.
"Now they've matched up his comments (to them) to radio content between him and the team, and other information they've gathered, and they've decided that effectively he was telling fibs.
"I think it's a big issue and it's not going to go away. If they were asked a direct question they should have given the right answer, and they clearly didn't."

"Vodafone McLaren Mercedes understands that the Stewards made their decision on the basis of reviewing radio transmissions between the driver and the Team. "

"The Team mistakenly believed that the radio transmissions had been reviewed by the FIA on Sunday 29th March 2009, and consequently did not believe it was necessary to discuss them with the Stewards on that date."

"Nonetheless, the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Team now regrets that it did not do so, accepts the Stewards' decision and will not appeal."

see if lewis can get his head out of his own bottom now!!

DCM

02-04-2009, 01:35 PM

it still comes down though, that people will look at this and think... WTF... decisions are made, then changed and changed again. They have enough camera's around the track, they can see almost everything that goes on, the decision should be made there and then, this is why people are going away from F1.

mark christopher

02-04-2009, 01:39 PM

same could be said for the diffusers, they have interpreted the rules, then either the rules are not clear or the one moaning missed the boat and easy option is to protest, why dont they shut the Fudge up and get on with it?

Fabs

02-04-2009, 01:39 PM

But then teams and drivers shouldn't be lying...

DaveG28

02-04-2009, 02:28 PM

Unless the stories have changed what happened is this:

Trulli fell off and rejoined behind Hamilton. Trulli knew he was not allowed to reovertake but as I believe video has since shown Hamilton slows and pulls to the side. Trulli quite reasonably thinks this means Hamilton has problems and legally reovertakes him. (the key to remember here is the rule is that you only have to reasonably think the guys in trouble to overtake, he doesn't actually have to be in trouble.

Toyota and Mclaren did not speak to each other so neither knew what to do. Ideally Hamilton should be 3rd and Trulli 4th, legally Trulli is third and Hamilton 4th. Somehow it's all got cocked up!!

I believe the key thing Mclaren got wrong was not telling the stewards Hsmilton had deliberately slowed under their instructions, therefore making it look as if Trulli overtook for a different reason, which is naughty of Mclaren/Hamilton, but it's a harsh penalty!!

Southwell

02-04-2009, 02:40 PM

I believe the key thing Mclaren got wrong was not telling the stewards Hsmilton had deliberately slowed under their instructions, therefore making it look as if Trulli overtook for a different reason, which is naughty of Mclaren/Hamilton, but it's a harsh penalty!!

It's been quoted that they attempted to contact the stewards and didn't get any response on several occasions.

greggy

02-04-2009, 06:28 PM

can i just ask
i tink im stupid
what is ther KERS system

mark christopher

02-04-2009, 06:30 PM

Of the radical changes to the technical regulations being implemented in Formula 1 for 2009, the biggest challenge for teams is the development of Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems (KERS).
The energy-saving devices have hit the headlines for unwelcome reasons over the past week, raising serious questions about both safety and whether the systems will be ready for next season.
So with this in mind, we asked our expert analyst Mark Hughes to demystify the whole KERS concept; and to explain both the challenges that need to be overcome and the likely effects on car performance.

The Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) dominates technical talk in the F1 paddock right now.
Next year’s new regulations allow these devices to be used for the first time. They store energy otherwise lost during braking and convert it into power.
Legislating the devices into the rules is one thing; getting them working effectively and safely is something else. Teams have only just begun testing them and already we have seen two battery fires and a mechanic receiving an electric shock.

How KERS will work

There are expected to be two types of KERS systems in use next year: battery and flywheel.
The battery system seems set to be the more popular method. It harnesses the braking energy by storing it in super-capacitor batteries which then release power to the driven wheels when required.
http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary//49003_1.jpg (http://www.itv-f1.com/popups/imageviewer.aspx?i=49003_2.jpg)The flywheel method looks set to be used by Williams (and possibly Honda and/or Toyota). Here the braking energy is used to turn a flywheel and when extra power is needed the wheels are coupled up to the spinning flywheel to give a boost in power.
Initially, the regulations limit the power of the KERS systems to 60kw (around 80 horsepower) and the storage capacity of the energy is 400kJ (kilojoules) per lap. What in effect this means is an extra 80 horsepower available for 6.7s per lap.
The idea is not only to force F1 to develop green technology but also to help overtaking. A chasing driver could deploy his KERS device as he is catching the car ahead to give him an acceleration boost.
Of course the driver being chased can use his KERS device defensively at the same time, thus negating the chasing driver’s power advantage.
But the limited storage of extra energy means that drivers will have to be very tactical in how they deploy the device.
http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary//49124_1.jpg (http://www.itv-f1.com/popups/imageviewer.aspx?i=49124_2.jpg)Because it takes time to restore the energy after you’ve used it, it could be that you have used up your supply and the guy behind still has some left as you arrive at the critical point of the track.
In principle it brings an interesting new dimension to F1. But there are a lot of difficulties to overcome first – and it is by no means certain that teams will have their devices ready in time for the beginning of next season.

The use of KERS will not be compulsory, and so several teams are expecting to at least start 2009 without it.

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The challenges

Although battery-type KERS devices are used on hybrid road cars such as the Toyota Prius, the technology required for an F1 application will be rather different.
The batteries in a road-going hybrid are expected to last for pretty much the life of the vehicle.
Because this is F1 the batteries here will need to be as small and light as possible for the given level of power, and as such they will be ‘on the edge’ technologically and will probably last only for one race weekend – if that long!
http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary//48037_1.jpg (http://www.itv-f1.com/popups/imageviewer.aspx?i=48037_2.jpg)BMW’s Mario Theissen has pointed out that the power-to-weight ratio of the F1 device is three to four times that used in the company’s hybrid road cars.
The safety concerns surround electrical fires with the batteries and the risk of electrocution.
When the cars come into the pit garages still carrying their stored electrical energy, the teams will need equipment that releases this energy from the car into a storage device. Only then will the car be safe to work on.
The implication is that marshal posts will need access to similar equipment in the event of a stranded car on-track.
The matter of exploding batteries is a potential hazard not only for the driver and crew but also for those anywhere near because of the chemicals used in the lithium batteries.
Teams believe they can install the batteries and/or flywheels in such a way that there is no risk of them coming adrift in the event of an accident, but that is something that will need to be incorporated into the standard FIA crash-testing of each design before it is allowed onto the track.

The effects on performance

As yet, the performance gains are not expected to be overwhelming.
The use of an extra 80bhp for just under 7s would nominally gain around 0.3s of lap time, but against that gain needs to be subtracted the effect of the less optimal placing of weight.
The devices, with batteries and associated equipment, will weigh around 35kg.
Teams currently use around 60-70kg of ballast, which they place wherever best suits the dynamics of the car on a given track. But wherever they place it, it is always very low down in order to keep the centre of gravity as low as possible.
http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary//49074_1.jpg (http://www.itv-f1.com/popups/imageviewer.aspx?i=49074_2.jpg)With KERS devices using up around half the current ballast, the centre of gravity height will increase and there will be less flexibility in where the weight is situated within the wheelbase.
There are potential issues also with torque effects on the rear axle as the device becomes saturated and cannot accept any more braking energy. The step change on the axle load could make the car unstable under braking.
The current plan is that the power and storage capacity of the devices will be progressively increased over coming seasons, with a jump to 100kw and 800kJ of storage in 2011 and then 200kw and 1,600kJ in 2013 taken from both axles rather than just the rear axle, as configured until then.
But as can be appreciated, there’s an awful lot of work to do yet just getting the first generation of devices safely up and running.

Southwell

02-04-2009, 06:33 PM

Honda's KERS system is flywheel based and supposed to be incredible, shame Honda kept the rights for the motor.

Southwell

02-04-2009, 07:52 PM

Transcript of McLaren radio communication:

Phil Prew (race engineer to Hamilton): OK Lewis, you just need to make sure your delta's positive over the safety car line. After the safety car line the delta doesn't matter, but no overtaking. No overtaking.

Lewis Hamilton: The Toyota went off in the second to last corner I overtook him is that OK?

PP: Understood, Lewis. We'll confirm and get back to you.

LH: He was off the track. He went wide.

PP: Lewis, you need to allow the Toyota through. Allow the Toyota through now.

LH: OK.

(Hamilton yields to Trulli, unseen on TV screens)

LH: He's slowed right down in front of me.

PP: OK, Lewis. Stay ahead for the time being. Stay ahead. We'll get back to you. We're talking to Charlie (Whiting, race director).

LH: I've let him past already.

PP: OK, Lewis. That's fine. That's fine. Hold position. Hold position.

LH: Ask Charlie I already overtook him and I've just let him past so...

PP: I understand Lewis. We are checking. Now can we go to yellow G5, yellow Golf 5.

LH: If I don't have to let him past then I should be able to take that position back, because he made a mistake.

Dave Ryan (team manager): Yes, we understand Lewis. Let's just do it by the book. We're asking Charlie now. You are in P4, if you hold this position. Just keep it together.

PP: OK Lewis, your KERS is full, your KERS is full. Just be aware. You can go back to black F2, black Foxtrott 2.

LH: Have you found out from Charlie on whether I can take it back or not?

PP: We're till waiting on a response Lewis, still waiting.

PP: Lewis, work on your brakes please. Front brakes are cold.

DR: Lewis, If we are able to use, to deploy KERS that would be good. If you can deploy KERS please do so now.

PP: OK, Lewis, this is the last lap of the race. At the end of the lap the safety car will come in, you just proceed over the line without overtaking, without overtaking. We are looking into the Trulli thing, but just hold position.

(Hamilton finishes the race fourth, behind Jarno Trulli)

DaveG28

02-04-2009, 07:57 PM

Hmmm, its pretty clear he deliberately let him overtake, sounds dodgy by Mclaren and Hamilton to me!

bodgit

03-04-2009, 06:47 AM

0614: BREAKING NEWS FROM SEPANG: McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan - who accompanied Lewis Hamilton to the fateful stewards' meeting in Australia - has been seen leaving the track with packed bags. Subsequently there is speculation that he has left the team after more than 30 years' service. Communications director Matt Bishop told BBC Sport the team were "not confirming anything at the moment" but added that McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh would hold a news conference later on Friday.

RickRick

03-04-2009, 10:19 AM

McLaren Mercedes statement in full
This morning, Dave Ryan was suspended from his position as Sporting Director of the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team.

Team Principal Martin Whitmarsh said: “In my 20-odd years working for McLaren, I doubt if I’ve met a more dedicated individual than Davey. He's been an integral part of McLaren since 1974 and has played a crucial role in the team’s many world championship successes since that time."

“However, his role in the events of last Sunday, particularly his dealings with the FIA stewards, has caused serious repercussions for the team, for which we apologise. Therefore, I suspended him this morning and he has accepted this.”

nobby

03-04-2009, 01:57 PM

hamilton = cheat :woot: or liar :woot: you decide.

then again this all shows him up as what he is arrogant:thumbdown:

terry.sc

03-04-2009, 06:59 PM

hamilton = cheat :woot: or liar :woot: you decide....or apparently someone daft enough to say what one of his bosses told him to say, just like the rest of us.

Stupid thing to do as in interviews straight after the race he'd already told the whole world (apart from the 3 stewards apparently) that he had let him through. Idiot.

It would be good to get a transcript of the meeting, so we would actually know if they were asked if he was told to let Trulli through and they actually denied it, or the stewards assumed he hadn't and Mclaren just didn't bother mentioning it.