What caused this ?

[xx4-nutter]

i heard about this when i was at teeside, and could smell it too but missed the big poof of smoke ! lol

what caused it ?

http://www.racephoto.co.uk/stu/teeside/1.jpg

Garry D.

[mark christopher]

a short circuit
his car got hit then stopped my guess is somin then shorted out in or on the speedo. problem was the batts were soldered in so could not be unplugged easy

[Northy]

I think you'll find that what has gone wrong there is the 'magic smoke' has escaped from the speedo.

As most people know there is 'magic smoke' inside all electronic components which allows them to work. Once the smoke has escaped they cease to be. However, at this point they can make very good little silicon heaters (as shown above).

Here endeth the first electronics lesson, next time I'll explain where the mirrors come into it! :)

G

[xx4-nutter]

....next time I'll explain where the mirrors come into it! :)

G

Do tell more g lol

Garry D.

[DCM]

Northy, do certain esc's have more 'volatile' secret smoke than others, causing them to pop, and I assume, once the smoke has escaped, the unit is then scrap?

[FifteenthNeo]

I assume, once the smoke has escaped, the unit is then scrap?

I cant see that a good scrub in soapy water wont make it nice and clean to use again. :wtf:

Looks painfull though :(

[vader]

I've heard, one company who specialises in 'Smokey' speedos uses a process of extraction to get this smoke from the river wharfe!!! You can even smell the Yorkshire dales in this smoke.

mmmmmmmmmmm

[Northy]

I believe there are various different qualities of smoke. You can get cheap mass produced smoke from China, even 'fake' smoke from China would you believe. This smoke can be a little volotile, a bit like IB cells :D :D

You obiously pay more for higher quality European produced smoke, as it is injected into the components using really big cool looking machines (like the pie making one in Chicken run) which cost money. In china some little guy uses a sqringe.

You also have to treat the smoke with respect, don't try to use all its power to quickly (Star-Trek, 'she will no take any more captain' style), which is perhaps where some speedo manufacturers are going wrong. They should probably use more smoke, or higher quality smoke. But this would put the price up I'm affraid.

G

[DCM]

Darn, is this smoke ecologicaly freindly, will it increase my Carbon Credits, so if I have an ESC which has let its 'smoke' go, I will need to go plant some dandelions and daffodils??

[Cooper]

I heard next year the speedo's need to be "Kyoto approved" before they are allowed to be sold!

[big si]

northy

do motors contain this magic smoke too?
or is it a different smoke

and can you tell us about the mirrors lol

[Medders]

I just typed "magic smoke" into Google at work and the results got blocked by the IT filter. Strange that :confused:

[xx4-nutter]

northy is this the machine that creates the magic smoke ?

http://www.eecs.case.edu/courses/lego375/robots/robots_s03/magic_smoke_s03_09_full.jpg (http://www.eecs.case.edu/courses/lego375/robots/robots_s03/magic_smoke_s03_09_full.jpg)
Garry D. :eh?:

[xx4-nutter]

this can be the guys avator who smoked his speedo lol

http://www.magsmoke.com/images/MSELogoB150x150.gif

Garry D.

[Glenn Atterton]

Wasn't just magic smoke, it had an eternal flame before it went out

@ least it wasn't the batteries going pop

ran the cells through a Pro-Trak the same day and he's lost 1 cell out of the pack. 1 nearest the esc. He'll get a 12th 4 cell practice pack out of it though.

Chassis also melted a little but didn't burn through. He poled the B with it.

Motor. not sure if it still runs.

ESC & Motor have gone back as warranty claims. Will post the out come when I know more.

[Adam Skelding]

Hmm. Just looked at this thread...
I can now smell the 'magic smoke' emitting from the FET (Fog Emitting Thingy's).
It does look like the ESC (Eggy Smoke Container) has emptied itself of contents..

:wtf:

[Northy]

northy

do motors contain this magic smoke too?
or is it a different smoke

and can you tell us about the mirrors lol

Anything electronic relies on the smoke, the magic smoke also travels through wires, and in the event that wires get too hot, they too will leak some magic smoke, again making the circuit no longer work.

About the mirrors, well I could tell you, but then you'd know as much as me! :)

G

[DCM]

Chassis also melted a little but didn't burn through.

Heh, that might of annealed the plastic a little and in doing so, strengthened it!!! hey, an X-6 mod.

[rcracer]

what if the ESC is made in jamaica, does it contain "special smoke" ? :p

[andys]

Graham.

Loved the smoke explanation :)

I wonder how brusheless work then, it did always confuse me, is the smoke in the motor !

Seriously though, who solders their cells in ! Seems a bit overkill to me, I like the idea of un-plugging it, if it goes wrong. I guess it had a switch, but I assume that went pop too ?

[Yoda]

Black wires are the work of the Dark Side indeed, in brushless systems Smoke contained with The Force they are, but not by the Dark Side, never.
Gold plugs transport well enough Smoke in my opinion.
Mirrors - also the work of the Dark Side - he who has knowlege of mirrors is a devisive and disruptive influence - yes.

[big si]

Black wires are the work of the Dark Side indeed, in brushless systems Smoke contained with The Force they are, but not by the Dark Side, never.
Gold plugs transport well enough Smoke in my opinion.
Mirrors - also the work of the Dark Side - he who has knowlege of mirrors is a devisive and disruptive influence - yes.

so by all this northy is trying to turn us towards the dark side?

[bigred5765]

Graham.

Loved the smoke explanation :)

I wonder how brusheless work then, it did always confuse me, is the smoke in the motor !

Seriously though, who solders their cells in ! Seems a bit overkill to me, I like the idea of un-plugging it, if it goes wrong. I guess it had a switch, but I assume that went pop too ?

i would say that most of the top drivers do this (craggy bradders dave bailey skelder's tricky )
and loads of others, more common than you think
and safer than any connector

[ashleyb4]

Alot of people

A

[Stu]

i would say that most of the top drivers do this (craggy bradders dave bailey skelder's tricky )
and loads of others, more common than you think
and safer than any connector

Carl is correct, in theory you will get less resistance.

I however do not think it makes the slightest bit of difference to your every-day driver. As long as your plugs are in good order the benefit is tiny.

Safer? Glenns car maybe proved otherwise. I have never had a plug come out during a race but I have been glad of the chance to unplug quick, for the same reason that Gelnn could not.

How many times have we seen a top drivers dad legging it through the pits an a national frantically shouting "WHO HAS AN IRON ON?".

It's not for me - too much hassle.

[andys]

i would say that most of the top drivers do this (craggy bradders dave bailey skelder's tricky )
and loads of others, more common than you think
and safer than any connector

Safer, yeah right !
Did you see the picture in the 1st post !
Plugs are quite common on most electrical items, allows you to un-plug them in an emergency. I find them most usefull and will continue to use them :)

[Medders]

I can't beleive there are people these days that solders in cells?

Surely that should be banned on safety grounds? Are these same people going to one day solder in Lipos?

[Glenn Atterton]

Safer? Glenns car maybe proved otherwise. I have never had a plug come out during a race but I have been glad of the chance to unplug quick, for the same reason that Glenn could not.


Stu,

Not my car but Adam Walker-CatchFire. oops that should be Catchpole.

He races 12th nationals and is @ the club most weekends and like others prefers to solder the cells in. He might just change that for the weekend @ the Chesterfield GP after Sundays experience.

I've been racing since 93 using powerpoles 1st then corallys and can't recall either unplugging.

[tc2k]

Ive only had a corally pop out once so Id hardly say plugs are unreliable but I dont see a problem with soldering in. Although the benefit may be minimal if you have your iron on alot of the time its not much of a hassle, just preference really.

[bigred5765]

Safer, yeah right !
Did you see the picture in the 1st post !
Plugs are quite common on most electrical items, allows you to un-plug them in an emergency. I find them most usefull and will continue to use them :)

But lets face it Andy you see more come unplugged than u see blown up,
main reason for soldering they don't come unplugged in the race
and less resistance they don't produce heat through shorting
why do all the big lads do it ???
simple it gives you a edge, and at the speed top lads are at now it may be just the edge to win.
for Joe bloggs at club level,it may be not such a good idea
IE my speedos on fire, then well it would reduce damage but lets face facts once the MAGIC SMOKE has leaked its dead anyway
one resistor or the whole board(teesside) its still dead so unplugging make no difference there, your still looking for a new speedo.
so why not solder

[bigred5765]

I can't beleive there are people these days that solders in cells?

Surely that should be banned on safety grounds? Are these same people going to one day solder in Lipos?

so the likes of neil cragg are british champion should be banned because he solders in cells
paul bradbury
dave bailey
adam skelding
matthew latham
colin brenan
and all major big league guys do this
u lose loads of voltage and produce heat in the cables
through plugs
and yes we have had plugs even corralys come of a cause us to lose a race

[Medders]

so the likes of neil cragg are british champion should be banned because he solders in cells
paul bradbury
dave bailey
adam skelding
matthew latham
colin brenan
and all major big league guys do this
u lose loads of voltage and produce heat in the cables
through plugs
and yes we have had plugs even corralys come of a cause us to lose a race


I just think any such sport requires rules that place people on some sort of level playing field and one of them should be that the battery must be unpluggable in the event of an emergeny. Common sense really.

I hate soldering anyway :D

[bigred5765]

I just think any such sport requires rules that place people on some sort of level playing field and one of them should be that the battery must be unpluggable in the event of an emergency. Common sense really.

I hate soldering anyway :D

so lets look at full sized cars electrical fire were the plugs there
you even need spanners to do that
and in case you rally nuts are reading yes rally cars have a battery isolator switch but it doesn't stop electrical fires
buy unplugging after the smoke has been released its still buggered, even before the magic smoke has come out there long gone. so un plugging it does nothing and how many marshals have had there fingers scorched unplugging someones car, me on more than one occasion,

[Medders]

so lets look at full sized cars electrical fire were the plugs there
you even need spanners to do that
and in case you rally nuts are reading yes rally cars have a battery isolator switch but it doesn't stop electrical fires
buy unplugging after the smoke has been released its still buggered, even before the magic smoke has come out there long gone. so un plugging it does nothing and how many marshals have had there fingers scorched unplugging someones car, me on more than one occasion,


Or look at it another way:

In the short time I have been back in racing I have already watched in astonishment as someone got half way through soldering up a pack of cells and left the iron on whilst racing / marshalling then coming back to finish the job. These are the same pits that have kids running around the place.

If everyone soldered in their cells you are asking for trouble. Are we going to have 100 irons on in the pits. Crazy.

Bring back the Tamiya connector !!!

[PaulRotheram]

by unplugging it means no more damage will be done.. as in the car could go on fire..

The big boys do it because the theory is right, but they can afford to have their cars on fire if a problem will ever occur.

I'll be keeping connectors for the ease of use, safety and keep it the lazy boy way! and i'm 100% sure i'll not notice a bloody thing, and neither will your Mathew!

You also forget to mention the other drivers who do use connectors, who are up there at the top also. It's down to prefference, and wether or not people can be arsed with the bother!

[andys]

Carl, Please take this in the light hearted manner it's intended, it's a wild guess, but I think I may have being marshalling before you got into this 'hobby' (never forget that lads it's important, this isn't a sport!), anyway I digress, I've had to marshall plenty of cars in my time that have had the speedo go POP, it used to be quite a regular thing in the good old days, anyway when a speedo goes, what happens normally is that the motor runs at full power and it's uncontrolable. Quite alarming really.

Now correct me if i'm wrong, but wrangling with somones car on your knee, running at full power with smoke coming out of it isn't good. Thankfully, when this has happened to me i've being able to, wait for it.... unplug the batteries. Horray ! Suprisingly this has the desired effect and renders the dangerous projectile usless and it can sit and smoke in peace.

If I am ever Unfortunate enough to marshall an out of control car that has the cells soldered in, i'll simply leave it to it's own devices, it's simply too dangerous to handle in my opinion. Maybe i'll leave it to one of the 'Big-Lads' to sort out, they'll know what to do ! :):):)

[Medders]

Carl, Please take this in the light hearted manner it's intended, it's a wild guess, but I think I may have being marshalling before you got into this 'hobby' (never forget that lads it's important, this isn't a sport!), anyway I digress, I've had to marshall plenty of cars in my time that have had the speedo go POP, it used to be quite a regular thing in the good old days, anyway when a speedo goes, what happens normally is that the motor runs at full power and it's uncontrolable. Quite alarming really.

Now correct me if i'm wrong, but wrangling with somones car on your knee, running at full power with smoke coming out of it isn't good. Thankfully, when this has happened to me i've being able to, wait for it.... unplug the batteries. Horray ! Suprisingly this has the desired effect and renders the dangerous projectile usless and it can sit and smoke in peace.

If I am ever Unfortunate enough to marshall an out of control car that has the cells soldered in, i'll simply leave it to it's own devices, it's simply too dangerous to handle in my opinion. Maybe i'll leave it to one of the 'Big-Lads' to sort out, they'll know what to do ! :):):)


I think that about sums it up :D

[bigred5765]

we have noticed and I'm sure anyone else thats solders in there cells, a big difference in heat in the car, its way less when we have been soldering in cells, you can see a difference,motors run cooler cells are cooler,and we aren't sponsored yet we pay for all our own stuff,

[bigred5765]

Carl, Please take this in the light hearted manner it's intended, it's a wild guess, but I think I may have being Marshalling before you got into this 'hobby' (never forget that lads it's important, this isn't a sport!), anyway I digress, I've had to Marshall plenty of cars in my time that have had the speedo go POP, it used to be quite a regular thing in the good old days, anyway when a speedo goes, what happens normally is that the motor runs at full power and it's uncontrollable. Quite alarming really.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wrangling with someones car on your knee, running at full power with smoke coming out of it isn't good. Thankfully, when this has happened to me I've being able to, wait for it.... unplug the batteries. Hooray ! Surprisingly this has the desired effect and renders the dangerous projectile useless and it can sit and smoke in peace.

If I am ever Unfortunate enough to Marshall an out of control car that has the cells soldered in, I'll simply leave it to it's own devices, it's simply too dangerous to handle in my opinion. Maybe I'll leave it to one of the 'Big-Lads' to sort out, they'll know what to do ! :):):)

i doubt that Andy, i have been racing since before you were born probably??, me and Mick cragg race together before Neil was even born, i may have been out of the scene for 10 years but never lost touch mate, because people only seen me and my son in the last 5 years, they think I'm new but hey there wrong and Andy so are you, thats no dig at you ether why would you know that,
yes its easier to UN do battery's that have plugs (and please use good plugs corally deans etc)not bloody white tamiya kak lol, but as i said you will see more unplugged cells come lose than speedos blown up, i would much rather take the risk of frying my speedo because i solder than have a car stop I'm the middle of a final because i used plugs my humble opinion,

[ashleyb4]

When im racing i always have some basic stuff in my pocket such as slipper spanner wheel nut wrech and some pliars.

So if this ever happened to me i could just cut the wires.

A

[bigred5765]

When im racing i always have some basic stuff in my pocket such as slipper spanner wheel nut wrech and some pliars.

So if this ever happened to me i could just cut the wires.

A

thats the best thing thats been said all night there well done ashley
voice of reason
a must for every marshall no more burt fingers ether plugged or soldered


quick question for the other people that solder cells in, what was the reason you started to solder in ur cells, what was the changing point and why, ill give mine later i dont wont to influence the answers

[_sleigh_]

Nice idea Ash, but I'd have to say that's equally dangerous. Just imagine slipping over while marshalling with those in your pocket. It wouldn't take to many falls to end up with something stuck in your leg.


Connectors or No Connectors, were talking very very small differences. Everyone's right, once it starts to smoke it's knackered. But one difference, if you see the smoke and manage to unplug before it gets to the point of flames, then the manufacturer is probably more likely to honour the warranty claim.

If you send back a molten chuck of chard plastic, they're likely to think "user error" first rather than product fault. It's not like they can identify the fault if there was one.

[PaulRotheram]

ah, but Phil, they could use the Northy theory, and examine the magic smoke to define the problem :) :) ;) :p

[ashleyb4]

None of them are very pointy but i didnt think of it like that. But my keys are proberly sharper than any of the things i carry in my pocket. And my wallet acts as a good padding with all that cash in. NOT.:D

A

[shinytopman]

so lets look at full sized cars electrical fire were the plugs there
you even need spanners to do that
and in case you rally nuts are reading yes rally cars have a battery isolator switch but it doesn't stop electrical fires

Sorry couldnt help but but in here,

First most cars have a fused link in the battery lead, directly onto the battery the idea of this is if you have a major short that it will burn out causing loss of the circuit hence loss of resitance hence loss of heat.

and the autolec switch fitted to all racing cars does the same its fitted in the main battery lead and once switched off the circuit is dead.

That doesnt mean that the wiring /component wont be damaged beyond repair but it does mean that as soon as the load exceeds the fuse rating the circuit will die.

My answer is carry a set of side cutters, believe me it cuts the power quick and on the spot ! the only thing i will say is if you do spare a thought for the guy whos car it is and cut close to the batt connections.

After all a soldered joint is far more efficient than a plug, but a plug is more convenient to the club racer (and certainly my thumbs...lol).

So each to there own weither you want convenience or effiency its up to you

That mho for what its worth.

[Jony]

My opinion, for what it's worth (which is next to nothing :):confused::)), is that this whole soldering the connections thing is superstition.

The resistance of a good connector is less than the cable that it replaces so the only way that it can reduce the performance is if it means you have to put extra cable in. I think if you're careful then it should be just as good. I bet if you did a controlled, scientific test then it'd show that there was no measurable difference.

As for big cars. Well, it's true that you need a spanner to take off the battery leads. But big cars have fuses! That's why your car doesn't catch fire when you short out the radio ;).

Just my two penneth ...

[ashleyb4]

But i dont carry them for that reason i carry them for outting ball studs back on and pulling stuck motor brushes.

A

[andys]

The resistance of a good connector is less than the cable that it replaces so the only way that it can reduce the performance is if it means you have to put extra cable in. I think if you're careful then it should be just as good. I bet if you did a controlled, scientific test then it'd show that there was no measurable difference.


I'd put money on you being right ! So much of this hobby is full of this kind of 'speed secret rubbish' You'll be telling me I need to glue my tyres on next !

My point was simply the saftey of the marshall. A car that CANNOT EASILY be turned off shouldn't be allowed to race in my opinion, its dangerous to the marshalls and all in the immediate vacinity.

Carl, racing before I was born ! Well, your holding up well old lad, I didn't realise you were so ancient ! :) :). My point is simply that I have being racing for a good couple of decades and then some, and i've had to Shut off my fair share of cars going out of control, thankfully they have never had the cells soldered in.

[bigred5765]

I'd put money on you being right ! So much of this hobby is full of this kind of 'speed secret rubbish' You'll be telling me I need to glue my tyres on next !

My point was simply the safety of the Marshall. A car that CANNOT EASILY be turned off shouldn't be allowed to race in my opinion, its dangerous to the Marshall's and all in the immediate vicinity.

Carl, racing before I was born ! Well, your holding up well old lad, I didn't realise you were so ancient ! :) :). My point is simply that I have being racing for a good couple of decades and then some, and I've had to Shut off my fair share of cars going out of control, thankfully they have never had the cells soldered in.

thanks for the complement Andy, i don't often get told i look younger than i really am,lol i understand what your saying and have been there many a time
we have also lost numerous rounds and finals and even a national final because of dodgy connections, and for us that race week in week out it was to much a risk we have been soldering cells for the past 2 years and never had one disconnection, or for that matter one speedo blow up or fire,
its all down to good maintenance,and personnel choice,
and I'm sure Mick cragg and bradders and numerous others will aggree,
but if we all did the same it would be a boring old world would'nt it

[mark christopher]

My opinion, for what it's worth (which is next to nothing :):confused::)), is that this whole soldering the connections thing is superstition.

The resistance of a good connector is less than the cable that it replaces so the only way that it can reduce the performance is if it means you have to put extra cable in. I think if you're careful then it should be just as good. I bet if you did a controlled, scientific test then it'd show that there was no measurable difference.

As for big cars. Well, it's true that you need a spanner to take off the battery leads. But big cars have fuses! That's why your car doesn't catch fire when you short out the radio ;).

Just my two penneth ...
so in comparason, how many servos cause a speedo to fry

try shorting out your big red wire to your starter motor, NOT all cars have fuses where they could hence why the fire brigade when on scene will pop a bonnet and cut the battery wires.

no one seems to have noted that when the smoke is release and as the car in this topic the speedo was still glowing orange, yes the speedo was goosed but how long could the cells take a dead short before poping, (see the rcracechat threasd on exploding 4200's.) glen could have been taking the car out side and have a cell go up in his face. now if im marshalling and see smoke ill look, if i can not unplug as its soldered in, then car goes down and i walk away, remember you marshal at your own risk and take steps to prevent injury to your self.

[Richard Lowe]

Please explain Carl how lowering the resistence in the battery connection, and therefore increasing the current the speedo can draw, can make things run cooler?!

If you have problems with plugs falling out you're doing something wrong, I've never, ever had a battery disconnect. It's not like I change them every 2 minutes either, I think the connectors on the speedo in my b4 have been on the speedo for at least 3 years ;)

[DCM]

so in comparason, how many servos cause a speedo to fry

That statment is quite correct actualy, a servo can blow a speedo, by having an incorrectly adjusted servo, under certain conditions, can spike the BEC circuit of the ESC, this fails, then the ESC goes open circuit and blows the FETS.

re: connectors, a well maintained gold plated corally/deans is just as good as a solder joint, unless you suck the solder off each time, and solder adding fresh solder each time, then you might have an advantage, of maybe half to a quarter of the on-power resistance of a decent new FET....

[Bathy]

i heard about this when i was at teeside, and could smell it too but missed the big poof of smoke ! lol

what caused it ?

http://www.racephoto.co.uk/stu/teeside/1.jpg (http://www.racephoto.co.uk/stu/teeside/1.jpg)

Garry D.

Ian Southwell?

[ashleyb4]

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A:rolleyes:

P.S. I pissed my self laughing at that but i dont know whats so funny about it:o

[DCM]

Ashley, you realy are up for most 'random' posts this month aren't you...

[ashleyb4]

Nope i cant compete with the king of random northy:(

A;)

[DCM]

yeah, but Northy's are funny.....

[ashleyb4]

Exsactly

[bigred5765]

Please explain Carl how lowering the Resistance in the battery connection, and therefore increasing the current the speedo can draw, can make things run cooler?!

If you have problems with plugs falling out you're doing something wrong, I've never, ever had a battery disconnect. It's not like I change them every 2 minutes either, I think the connectors on the speedo in my b4 have been on the speedo for at least 3 years ;)

as usual Richard Ur off down the wrong line again lol
so what your saying is a loose connector arcing out doesn't produce neat HMM
and your saying that corrallys never loose there spring, god how many times have i had to use a screwdriver to stretch the springs on them,
well i wonder why the likes of the big guns do this then Richard
do you think Mick, bradders, etc do it because its fun
i doubt that, and if connectors are good enough for you why the hell should you change i know i wouldn't,
but just remember the first time i see your car stop and find a connector has caused it, ill take the piss out of you all day,and as you know these thing often come back and bite us all in the arse

what i was saying is matthew lost a big race because a connector fell of it will never happen again,

[mark christopher]

as usual Richard Ur off down the wrong line again lol
so what your saying is a loose connector arcing out doesn't produce neat HMM
and your saying that corrallys never loose there spring, god how many times have i had to use a screwdriver to stretch the springs on them,
well i wonder why the likes of the big guns do this then Richard
do you think Mick, bradders, etc do it because its fun
i doubt that, and if connectors are good enough for you why the hell should you change i know i wouldn't,
but just remember the first time i see your car stop and find a connector has caused it, ill take the piss out of you all day,and as you know these thing often come back and bite us all in the arse

what i was saying is matthew lost a big race because a connector fell of it will never happen again ,
there is a term for that "PPP" ;)

[jimmy]

Neil used to use corallys, I have photo evidence! lol. At that level, i can understand it. For me it makes no sense what so ever. If you wire your corallys up properly they wont fall out anyway - a long length of wire that is free to wave about and a forward facing corally can pull out, just wire it different and if the connector is old, replace it.

I used to use DEANS, some of them got loose - not loose enough to come apart but loose enough to desolder because of the bad connection. but they were 3/4 years old!

[DCM]

I will admit, on batteries, I use Corally, and as long as the tube is in good nick, and your wiring is tidy and neat, then the only way you will get a disconnect is if your cells shift, and then that could be a good thing anyways.

[LiamD]

Mark, on the first page you said Adam's car got hit before it went up in smoke, not quite true if you ask him. He told me the car just died and he tried to steer it off the track.

I think Adam solders his cells in as normally he's racing in the top 10 at nationals, so you try to minimise the risk of anything stopping your race... hence, soldering the cells in. Most top 12th drivers do it.

[bigred5765]

Neil used to use corrallys, I have photo evidence! lol. At that level, i can understand it. For me it makes no sense what so ever. If you wire your corrallys up properly they wont fall out anyway - a long length of wire that is free to wave about and a forward facing corally can pull out, just wire it different and if the connector is old, replace it.

I used to use DEANS, some of them got loose - not loose enough to come apart but loose enough to desolder because of the bad connection. but they were 3/4 years old!

yeah I'm sure must people at one time or another have used em and loved or hated them,it's down to personnel choice,ares is to solder.
I'm not saying its for everyone,
and Richard look here what jimmy has just wrote
(I used to use DEANS, some of them got loose - not loose enough to come apart but loose enough to desolder )
do you think it desolderd because of the lower Resistance lol
no it desoldered because of a heat build up caused buy shorting my point exactly,yippee cheers jimmy not just us it happened to then

[shinytopman]

Please explain Carl how lowering the resistence in the battery connection, and therefore increasing the current the speedo can draw, can make things run cooler?!

Resistance = Heat!

[shinytopman]

god how many times have i had to use a screwdriver to stretch the springs on them,

If your having to stretch the spring then it was knackered in the first place and needed replacing.
If a knackered connector is changed then it might not fall out at the most inappropriate time....;)

[Richard Lowe]

Carl Carl Carl, read what I wrote again ;)

I never said a higher resistance connector generates no heat, I said I don't understand how soldering the cells directly to the speedo can reduce the temperature of the speedo, motor and batteries as you claimed. If anything it's going to be the other way round, removing resistance between the cells and the speedo will let the speedo draw more current and actually make everything get hotter.
If your corallys are getting hot enough to desolder you need to look into your car prep, thats user error not the fault of the connector :p

It's personal preference as to weather you solder or pulg your cells in, but you can't use "but Mr xxxx does it" as the basis for your discussion as there are no facts to back it up. Please explain how a lower resistance connection between the cells and the speedo reduces motor/speedo temperature.

Besides Neil runs a B4 not a CR, so by your logic your Matt should be running one too :D

[Medders]

I think I'll start glueing my thumbs to the tranny sticks, just in case they should come off mid-race. :cool:

[Richard Lowe]

Right just to be pedantic using a constant current load a corally connector (3 years old from my B4 ;) ) has the same voltage drop and therefore resistance, as roughly 5cm of typical power wire. That includes the resistance of the copper bar and the solder joint connecting the corally tube to the cell.

:::edit::: Just for more comedy effect, it should work out to be about 0.012v drop at 30 amps.

How long are the wire runs in that XX4 Carl?! :)

[Spencer Mulcahy]

I used to solder my batteries in but gone back to corallys because just before a race I put a set of cells in which where not charged and could not change quick enough to make the race( having to desolder the cells). This is my personal preferance. (Any driver can make a mistake like that and dont say they cant.)

[bigred5765]

Carl Carl Carl, read what I wrote again ;)

I never said a higher resistance connector generates no heat, I said I don't understand how soldering the cells directly to the speedo can reduce the temperature of the speedo, motor and batteries as you claimed. If anything it's going to be the other way round, removing resistance between the cells and the speedo will let the speedo draw more current and actually make everything get hotter.
If your corallys are getting hot enough to desolder you need to look into your car prep, thats user error not the fault of the connector :p

It's personal preference as to weather you solder or pulg your cells in, but you can't use "but Mr xxxx does it" as the basis for your discussion as there are no facts to back it up. Please explain how a lower resistance connection between the cells and the speedo reduces motor/speedo temperature.

Besides Neil runs a B4 not a CR, so by your logic your Matt should be running one too :D


richard richard richard
god im bored already,
read what i wrote, i never said soldering directly reduced the heat in the car, i said since i stopped useing corllays and deans plugs (well i didnt say ether plug buy name) but since i stopped useing them (because they shorted out causing heat, the heat in the car is less,
which if you had botherd to read is'nt the main reason i stopped using plugs (quote)
we lost a major final run for matty because connector come of )
and i would rather watch my car burn instaed of losing a run dew to crap connectors
and what the f++k is neils b4 owt to do we me not running one
buy my logic wtf

[bigred5765]

Right just to be pedantic using a constant current load a corally connector (3 years old from my B4 ;) ) has the same voltage drop and therefore resistance, as roughly 5cm of typical power wire. That includes the resistance of the copper bar and the solder joint connecting the corally tube to the cell.

:::edit::: Just for more comedy effect, it should work out to be about 0.012v drop at 30 amps.

How long are the wire runs in that XX4 Carl?! :)

just to be pedantic SPOT ON
COMEDY EFFECT
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW HOW
so come on Richard prove to me why almost all the big boys are wrong
and ill go back to corrallys
just for comedy affect
i obviously after 25 years of racing have no idea
why do they do it please tell me
i don't know
but do you

[PaulRotheram]

comedy.

[bigred5765]

comedy.

quality


ooops sorry wrong thread wrong site
lol
it getting my post count up i hope jimmy hasnt cottoned on
oops he will now

[Chrislong]

Can I participate????


If your corallys are getting hot enough to desolder you need to look into your car prep, thats user error not the fault of the connector :p


Rich,
I have recently had this. The cause being I was using brand #1 male corally type plugs and brand #2 corally type tubes. Although they felt secure, I had the tubes desolder from my cells as the resistance was so HIGH.

I went to soldering cells for most of the winter.

Now, I have gone to the LRP silver connectors, and they work great. A real nice fit and look cool too. And since they are the only silver version, I won't be mixing/matching my connectors ever again.



Carl,
For the tiny advantage in reduced resistance in direct soldering, it is far outweighed in the huge disadvantage in that its a right freckin pain in the arse!!! Then when an ESC goes up in smoke... well... you'll find wire cutters aren't easy to find trackside. :D

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Anyway I hope the geezer gets his speedo sorted fixed for free very expensive things these speedos. And I dont mean the swimming attire.:)

[Jony]

Wow, this thread is "heating up". I hope it doesn't turn into a "flame" war. Heating up, flame, get it? I'm here all week.

Sorry. Worst joke ever.;)

[Richard Lowe]

hehe this is funny :)

Not to be awkward Carl but you have an amazing habit of quoting people out of context to your own advantage.

I used to use DEANS, some of them got loose - not loose enough to come apart but loose enough to desolder. but they were 3/4 years old!
do you think it desolderd because of the lower Resistance lol
no it desoldered because of a heat build up caused buy shorting my point exactly,yippee cheers jimmy not just us it happened to then
Reads a bit differently with the last bit added back on ;)
(That would be arcing btw)


so come on Richard prove to me why almost all the big boys are wrong
and ill go back to corrallys
i obviously after 25 years of racing have no idea
why do they do it please tell me
i don't know
but do you
I never said it was wrong to solder cells in, I origonally asked how it could keep the electrics cooler. I don't know why people bother to do it for the miniscule voltage increase the speedo sees, thats my point. Prove to us why you apparently must solder cells in.
It's certainly not for an increase in power as lots of people these days claim to be able to make their car too fast for the track, other than the connector falling out due to poor car prep why do people do it?

COMEDY EFFECT
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW HOW
Now now play nice :)

[bigred5765]

Can I participate????



Rich,
I have recently had this. The cause being I was using brand #1 male corally type plugs and brand #2 corally type tubes. Although they felt secure, I had the tubes desolder from my cells as the resistance was so HIGH.

I went to soldering cells for most of the winter.

Now, I have gone to the LRP silver connectors, and they work great. A real nice fit and look cool too. And since they are the only silver version, I won't be mixing/matching my connectors ever again.



Carl,
For the tiny advantage in reduced resistance in direct soldering, it is far outweighed in the huge disadvantage in that its a right frickin pain in the arse!!! Then when an ESC goes up in smoke... well... you'll find wire cutters aren't easy to find track side. :D


o i agree with you Chris
some times soldering is a right pain in the ass and yes we've run back to the pit table because i forgot to solder em up
I didn't know there were 2 different kinds of corrallys,
please explain may be there in was our problem
but as i said i only really changed over because we had a connector fall of mid stream a good race
whats these LRP ones like i come see at batley if thats OK??

[big si]

Now, I have gone to the LRP silver connectors, and they work great. A real nice fit and look cool too. And since they are the only silver version, I won't be mixing/matching my connectors ever again.

would you be able to tell me where you got them (and dont say lrp lol) i mean what shops stock them in the uk

[Chrislong]

Hey Carl,
Well, over time (like we do) I had soldered up my speedo wires, and over the course of changing my cells regular I had changed the brand of corally tubes without changing the plugs.

In all honest, what happened is I would normally buy EVERYTHING I need from Dom at DC Racing and it has always been good compatible stuff, but because I was sponsorred for cells by Infinity I had Daryl solder up my latest sets for me - using the corally tubes which he gets in (and rebag as Infinity). So the mix of plug from DC Racing and tubes from Lesro/Infinity, although they felt secure, the resistance was sky high and eventually they deteriorated to the point that the solder melted on the cells and plugs fell off.

Right, well the LRP plugs I get now are from DC Racing. I specifically wanted these as they are silver, so when I randomly find a gold plug in my box, I won't use it ever again and my plugs will always be compatible.

I got these LRP plugs in a pack containing 2 males and 10 females. Part number NR.65830. I put them on about 2-3 weeks ago, and I feel absolutely no difference in performance, I have been soldering since about October, and although it solved my issue, I hated doing it.


Rich, mate, please stop calling it "Poor car prep", call it "Inadvertantly using incompatible plugs, or aged plugs" ;) :D

[Richard Lowe]

I didn't know there were 2 different kinds of corrallys,
please explain may be there in was our problem
but as i said i only really changed over because we had a connector fall of mid stream a good race
whats these LRP ones like i come see at batley if thats OK??
That was probably the problem, it's made worse by the fact a lot of them arn't marked any differently but they can be a different size.
It's usually easy to tell with the tubes by the thickness of the material. With the plugs though you need one of the smaller tubes as I find it hard to tell by eye. If it fits in one of the smaller tubes it's the smaller type of plug, but normally the larger plugs wont even goto the springy bit in the smaller tube if you know what I mean.

Sorry Chris, your cars are beautifully prepared ;)

[bigred5765]

hehe this is funny :)

Not to be awkward Carl but you have an amazing habit of quoting people out of context to your own advantage.


Reads a bit differently with the last bit added back on ;)
(That would be arcing btw)



I never said it was wrong to solder cells in, I origonally asked how it could keep the electrics cooler. I don't know why people bother to do it for the miniscule voltage increase the speedo sees, thats my point. Prove to us why you apparently must solder cells in.
It's certainly not for an increase in power as lots of people these days claim to be able to make their car too fast for the track, other than the connector falling out due to poor car prep why do people do it?


Now now play nice :) ok sorry lol its getting your posts up

as i have said loads of times already i didnt say speed or power or anything other than
we lost a race at about 3-4 mins in because connector fell out
soldered in its never done it since
and i have seen loads of cars buy the way side with loose connectors,
yeh i do personelly think that the heat in the car was less after i did it but that was at least two years ago, we must have had loads of dodgy corrallys,
craggy said solder em in, and since then we havent had a problem so why change,

to me if you solder or use corrallys is down to personel pref
if my speedo went puff, weather its on plugs or soldered in its still buggered
and only phill sleigh had a valid point i will say yeh he was right there,it would give the manufaturer more chance to replace it less damage because of plugs,and gives the marshal a chance too,i conseed that but as stated youll see more stopped cars in a year because of loose plugs than blow up beond repair because of soldering in direct
god rant over
lol im bored

[PaulRotheram]

Put it this way, if your cars esc blows, and i can't dissconnect the wires, it'l be getting put on its roof and left alone as i'm not risking my self due to the fact everything is hard wired in.

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Is Richard not on your list of top drivers Carl.;) :) :cool:

[bigred5765]

Hey Carl,
Well, over time (like we do) I had soldered up my speedo wires, and over the course of changing my cells regular I had changed the brand of corally tubes without changing the plugs.

In all honest, what happened is I would normally buy EVERYTHING I need from Dom at DC Racing and it has always been good compatible stuff, but because I was sponsorred for cells by Infinity I had Daryl solder up my latest sets for me - using the corally tubes which he gets in (and rebag as Infinity). So the mix of plug from DC Racing and tubes from Lesro/Infinity, although they felt secure, the resistance was sky high and eventually they deteriorated to the point that the solder melted on the cells and plugs fell off.

Right, well the LRP plugs I get now are from DC Racing. I specifically wanted these as they are silver, so when I randomly find a gold plug in my box, I won't use it ever again and my plugs will always be compatible.

I got these LRP plugs in a pack containing 2 males and 10 females. Part number NR.65830. I put them on about 2-3 weeks ago, and I feel absolutely no difference in performance, I have been soldering since about October, and although it solved my issue, I hated doing it.


Rich, mate, please stop calling it "Poor car prep", call it "Inadvertantly using incompatible plugs, or aged plugs" ;) :D

again i agree chris, and if i came across in anyway making someone think that soldering in cells is a hugh advantage let me stop it right now, in no way could i say i saw any power or speed advantage,just i always have the iron on and its not hard to do,it stopps any confusion over dodgy or old plugs,
i also never had a disconection problem,or fried speedo for that matter and yes i belive it all down to good prep, sorry chris i do agree with richard there,

[MattW]

There are more than one type "corally" plug out on the market. You have to be very careful and just keep to one brand. I used to always keep to genuine corally ones as i always thoughts theirs were better than any others.

These different brands are not all the same. You can have plugs that won't fit tubes, and plugs that are loose in tubes. None of this is good!!

They are all "gold plated" (maybe!) which in truth as a material is crap as far as conductivity is concerned. It's a material that is used purely as it doesn't corrode easily.

The LRP silver ones would be much better in this respect - silver being the best conductor of electricity (yes better than copper).

........and one of the best (funniest) reasons that i ever heard to solder was that a driver was too tight to buy corally's - as his sponser didn't have them!!! made me laugh.

Personally i (generally) solder my cells in, all classes. First did it 12th scale as it was actually easier as it took up a lot less space inside the car. Some of my practice cells still have corally's on them - as i can't always be ar**d to solder at club meetings:)

[Chrislong]

Hey Carl,
There are three catagories here.

1. Those who solder
2. Those who use plugs that match
3. Those who get random plugs

So, the ones who you will see with plugs falling/fallen out in a race will be catagory 3. Thats where I was before I went to 1, but now I am a 2, its the best way for me. ;)

Sounds like you've been a 3, now a 1, but I reckon you'd like a No.2?

oh, how confusing is that :D

[bigred5765]

Put it this way, if your cars esc blows, and i can't dissconnect the wires, it'l be getting put on its roof and left alone as i'm not risking my self due to the fact everything is hard wired in.

paul if that happend to my car i would'nt expect anyone to do that
not even you,
i would be the first there with the twiggs and wood to make the bugger burn
but thats the risk you take, do you risk haveing wires come unplugged costing you ur ftd (which you know is when its going to do that) or solder and keep it, never had a speedo fry yet (kiss of death there then )lol
had load of disconections due to dodgy connectors though my choice as said down to personell pref
and matt wish i had thought of that
yeh sounds good im to tight to buy corrrallys, i change my mind its just cheaper that sounds good
there u go rich new reason to ague over

[Chrislong]

But you forget to solder them up in the first place, then have to leg it for an iron.:D

[Chrislong]

would you be able to tell me where you got them (and dont say lrp lol) i mean what shops stock them in the uk

Hi Simon,
Any shop with a Helger account can order them, Helger have them on the shelf. I got mine from DC Racing, and got them very quickly too (thanks Dom)

Chris

[bigred5765]

Is Richard not on your list of top drivers Carl.;) :) :cool:

no far from it rich is quite a good throttle jammer :)
sorry driver lol
i stood behind him in york when they asked me to ref and his fingers were just a blur,i really am to old to race at that level anymore, thats why im just a pit bitch now,still love the sport to bits but know i wouldnt be able to keep up with all those little whipper snappers,:eh?:

[PaulRotheram]

so carl, are you a number 1, 2 or 3? :)

[bigred5765]

so carl, are you a number 1, 2 or 3? :)

at the track number one
in life defiantly a number 2 and proud of it
my parents called me a little number 2 and god dam it i am lol
until weekend then I'm a number 1 head lol

[super__dan]

I have had the same problem as Chris, one combo desoldered at Kiddie last year, then I resoldered with Deans solder and it came off again next run. I must admit to never once having considered soldering them in for pure hassle and so often they look terrible. Also the heat you pump into the 2 end cells can't do them any good.

I hadn't realised you'd gone to this pure LRP combo but sounds an excellent idea, I think for my 07 cells I'll defo go for all new, whatever brand that turns out to be. Anyone want to buy any 2nd hand connectors? ;)

[mark christopher]

Mark, on the first page you said Adam's car got hit before it went up in smoke, not quite true if you ask him. He told me the car just died and he tried to steer it off the track.

I think Adam solders his cells in as normally he's racing in the top 10 at nationals, so you try to minimise the risk of anything stopping your race... hence, soldering the cells in. Most top 12th drivers do it.
odd i was stood marshalling where it stopped and saw it take a side swipe! they die and then smoke

[Adam Skelding]

so the likes of neil cragg are british champion should be banned because he solders in cells
paul bradbury
dave bailey
adam skelding
matthew latham
colin brenan
and all major big league guys do this
u lose loads of voltage and produce heat in the cables
through plugs
and yes we have had plugs even corralys come of a cause us to lose a race

Hmm.
I don't solder my cells in. Never have, never will. As I get older I sometimes forget to put my cells on and I find having tubes allows me to charge to the last minute to get as much into my cells as possible to power my car to a first corner crash.

Never had an Orion tube come unconnected...

[xx4-nutter]

well i wouldnt like to come across a car that has gone up in smoke or starting to in a race if i was marshaling it, what if it caught fire becuase it was solderd in ? . or even blew up ?

i think indoors direct soldering should be banned, i think its kinda dangerous....

edit -- actually thinking about it, this must have been the first time ive seen this, but now its opend my eyes up to the posibilities of what could accur -- edit


Garry D.

[bigred5765]

Hmm.
I don't solder my cells in. Never have, never will. As I get older I sometimes forget to put my cells on and I find having tubes allows me to charge to the last minute to get as much into my cells as possible to power my car to a first corner crash.

Never had an Orion tube come unconnected...

sorry adam
thought u did
edit

remove adam from the list

[bigred5765]

well i wouldn't like to come across a car that has gone up in smoke or starting to in a race if i was marshaling it, what if it caught fire because it was soldered in ? . or even blew up ?

i think indoors direct soldering should be banned, i think its kinda dangerous....

edit -- actually thinking about it, this must have been the first time Ive seen this, but now its opened my eyes up to the possibilities of what could occur -- edit


Garry D.

you can just start coming up with what ifs or we would all stop racing
its a dangerous sport,
battery's are volatile and always have been(they do and have exploded on charge so do we Ban chargers that make cells go bang)??
it's the first time i have ever seen a soldered speedo go bang
i have seen more go bang that were wired using connectors,so do we Ban connectors as its there fault, and loads more stopped because of unplugged wires,and Ur all missing the point the car had been side swiped,
in the 2 years i have been soldering in i have had no problems,
its down to personnel choice,its only been brought up because one car fried
but what ill do is keep an eye on it,

[Chrislong]

Carl,
Which eye is your good eye?

[andys]

After reading everyones thoughts on this i've come to my own conclusions, and last post on this topic !

I run all manner of cheap and nasty corally type copies of both connector and tube and have NEVER had any problems.

As far as soldering in your cells, and potentially making your car, un-switch-off-able in an emergency, is in my opinion, selfish, dangerous and should not be allowed. If the switch fails, or cannot be found quickly and easily in a marshalling incident, somone could get hurt.
I appreciate the un-proven theories about why it's technically better (resistance etc) and I guess at the absolute top level it's acceptable (for reliability etc) and there are people running / marshalling that are experienced to deal with an 'incident'.
At club level, where anyone could end up marshalling your car, in my opinion it's not acceptable .

I would never solder in the cells, as I wouldn't want to be responsible for somone getting injured trying to turn off my car in an emergency.

[BenG]

I think soldering in cells is a touring car racer idea. I know of a few national racers who di it.

Apparently, it reduces resistance, and is more efficient :D:D:D

I just think its a pain in the derrier for an advantage that can only be, at best, minimally effective.

[xx4-nutter]

you can just start coming up with what ifs or we would all stop racing
its a dangerous sport,
battery's are volatile and always have been(they do and have exploded on charge so do we Ban chargers that make cells go bang)??
it's the first time i have ever seen a soldered speedo go bang
i have seen more go bang that were wired using connectors,so do we Ban connectors as its there fault, and loads more stopped because of unplugged wires,and Ur all missing the point the car had been side swiped,
in the 2 years i have been soldering in i have had no problems,
its down to personnel choice,its only been brought up because one car fried
but what ill do is keep an eye on it,


end of the day its user pref, no one can argue with that.............

[bigred5765]

all very true, it is down to personnel pref,
Andy we don't really do club days so that's out the window,
matthew may not be quite top level driver yet but 99% of the time its at those race meeting we run at,
f2 in 3 years i think is ace for a 15 year old kid,
after seeing what happened to the other blokes car i will always Carry a set of side cutters now though, and because I'm his pit man no worries about it being marshaled in that case,but here goes the kiss of death,in most cases soldering is safer than connectors,my own opinion,not up for comment and argument,prove me wrong and ill listen my own experience says stick with what i got,i would rather listen to the likes of bradders cragg and the like than hear say on here,

[bigred5765]

Carl,
Which eye is your good eye?

chris i only have one good eye, its the allseeing alldoing one,??:rolleyes:

[mark christopher]

i woud have said tho this is a saftey issue as in a failure there is no quick way to disconect, and should some one be injured or burnt, then the outcome would be "not enough saftey measures taken, hence why "big" cars in motor sport have a cut off switch, who does the eisk assesments for off road ie the saftey officer?
those who are bleeting on about it wont let me down, show some consideration for the poor marshall who picks it up for you!

[bigred5765]

we all accept the dangers in racing, and have the upmost consideration for marshals, but let go through all the pros and cons and get all the cons banned then we wont be able to race,
battery's for charging of, potential explosion risk, as a mechanic you will know that one, seen to many mechanics taken to hospital with acid burnt faces.
ib 4200nimh extremely dangerous stay clear while charging we all seen them pickys,
super glue bonds skin in seconds,
acetone tyre remover extremely flammable potential toxic hazard
not to mention a 2-3lb car hitting you in the shins
were do we stop
all this because one speedo went up in flames that was soldered what about the 10 20 that went up in flames last year no one mentioned them,and yes some were way more dangerous then the one at teesside, like the one that shot of into the crowd at full throttle,who was going to stop that one at 20-MPH whats the answer there,
calm down, get of your horses

[xx4-nutter]

i woud have said tho this is a saftey issue as in a failure there is no quick way to disconect, and should some one be injured or burnt, then the outcome would be "not enough saftey measures taken, hence why "big" cars in motor sport have a cut off switch, who does the eisk assesments for off road ie the saftey officer?
those who are bleeting on about it wont let me down, show some consideration for the poor marshall who picks it up for you!


well bloody said.

the thing is with soldering direct in is a CHOICE over using corally conectors, which brings safty issues up as seen in the picture and told by youreself " bigred ". as for many of these things happening and not getting brought to attension, they did not get posted on the internet where a vast amount of people gather such as this site for opionions and such on almost anything. the thing is also, this has been blurted out on here as its the only picture of this ive seen on oOple / northern racer...


regards to the ib 4200s charging is a must.... with out power means no racing ! lol i agree with what you say about most things being dangerous, but if it can be avoided isnt it best to do so ?

Garry D.

[LiamD]

odd i was stood marshalling where it stopped and saw it take a side swipe! they die and then smoke

Well, his words to me yesterday were, the car lost power, got bumped by another car (not a particularly big bump) and then when it stopped altogether, the magic smoke came out! In other words, he believes an accident didn't cause it.

He's not too fussed as it's his old speedo, and I think he drives for Nosram now anyway, so an LRP speedo isn't much use!

Also, what a lot of fuss about soldering batteries in, can't it just be someones personal preference and leave it at that? Or does someone have to prove it's better than everything, ever?! Lol. :rolleyes:

[bigred5765]

well bloody said.

the thing is with soldering direct in is a CHOICE over using corally connectors, which brings safety issues up as seen in the picture and told by yourself " big red ". as for many of these things happening and not getting brought to attention, they did not get posted on the INTERNET where a vast amount of people gather such as this site for opinions and such on almost anything. the thing is also, this has been blurted out on here as its the only picture of this Ive seen on oople / northern racer...


regards to the ib 4200s charging is a must.... with out power means no racing ! lol i agree with what you say about most things being dangerous, but if it can be avoided isn't it best to do so ?

Garry D.


all true as stated but connectors wont stop it, just possibly reduce the over all damage. giving the manufacture a chance to see what happened, a connector in any form whilst shorting is going to be bloody hot and will still burn your fingers, wire cutters or pliers are much safer, and in such will cut wire soldered or connector-ed,and as for the marshals no one wont's to get hurt or burnt,including me or my son,
in the case of the car at teesside it would have reduced the overall damage had it been using connector and some one getting there in time, and again all here say after the fact
again what ifs

[bigred5765]

Well, his words to me yesterday were, the car lost power, got bumped by another car (not a particularly big bump) and then when it stopped altogether, the magic smoke came out! In other words, he believes an accident didn't cause it.

He's not too fussed as it's his old speedo, and I think he drives for Nosram now anyway, so an LRP speedo isn't much use!

Also, what a lot of fuss about soldering batteries in, can't it just be someones personal preference and leave it at that? Or does someone have to prove it's better than everything, ever?! Lol. :rolleyes:

liam my point exactly its no better or worse than anything else
just personnel pref
just some on here love the crusade, no matter what and are well known for it

[Chrislong]

Come on guys, this arguement will go on and on and on and on so lets stop here...

Lets all agree on this if nothing else.... if a marshal who see's a shmocker and tries to help it, then refits the body and put it down as the cells are soldered - then so be it. But if the mechanic is trackside (such as Carl) then he can throw the wire cutters, or run over, and everyone is happy.

As for safety, ice lollies give me brain freeze - but I don't see any hazard warning.

[bigred5765]

Come on guys, this arguement will go on and on and on and on so lets stop here...

Lets all agree on this if nothing else.... if a marshal who see's a shmocker and tries to help it, then refits the body and put it down as the cells are soldered - then so be it. But if the mechanic is trackside (such as Carl) then he can throw the wire cutters, or run over, and everyone is happy.

As for safety, ice lollies give me brain freeze - but I don't see any hazard warning.

Chris i love you
your a diamond, but your getting as random as northy lol love him to
As for safety, ice lollies give me brain freeze - but I don't see any hazard warning hahahaha love it

[bigred5765]

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[AndyM]

Come on guys, this arguement will go on and on and on and on so lets stop here...

Lets all agree on this if nothing else.... if a marshal who see's a shmocker and tries to help it, then refits the body and put it down as the cells are soldered - then so be it. But if the mechanic is trackside (such as Carl) then he can throw the wire cutters, or run over, and everyone is happy.

As for safety, ice lollies give me brain freeze - but I don't see any hazard warning.


thats well sed chris,
:cool:

[kuryakin]

if you look at the pic closely, it appears that the external cable connector pcb is totally destroyed, then check also the huge glob of solder at the end of one of the cables and then have a look at the soldered joints to the motor, i was concerned at first becuase i run a similar speedo/ motor combi, but i'm not now.
As for marshals safety i've taken to wearing gloves (mainly cos its cold and i'm old) but they are a real godsend to protect against the idiots that have to hit full throttle when your handling it, which happens a lot more than frying speedos.

[kuryakin]

Oh Dear

[Mr Spock]

Chris i love you

Highly illogical.

[kuryakin]

Oh Dear Again

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Wearing gloves now that is a good idea the amont of times I have marshalled a car that is being reved and those little nobbles dont half sting. Anyway I think personaly that Carl is right and everybody else is right also so lets have a bit more love in the forum "come on now group hug".

Spencer for prime minister leader of the lets have less confrontation and love each other party.:) :)

[bigred5765]

Wearing gloves now that is a good idea the amont of times I have marshalled a car that is being reved and those little nobbles dont half sting. Anyway I think personaly that Carl is right and everybody else is right also so lets have a bit more love in the forum "come on now group hug".

Spencer for prime minister leader of the lets have less confrontation and love each other party.:) :)

seconded

[MattW]

Soldering cells has always been a very "american" idea. It is something that most racers over there have done for some time.

In all fairness guys - generally when i have had a speedo that has suffered from the magic smoke issue - there is enough heat in there to unsolder wires, either at esc or end - hard soldered or corally connectors.

[super__dan]

Lets all agree on this if nothing else.... if a marshal who see's a shmocker and tries to help it, then refits the body and put it down as the cells are soldered - then so be it. But if the mechanic is trackside (such as Carl) then he can throw the wire cutters, or run over, and everyone is happy.

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Now don't immediatly put me on the hating of soldering cells idea, I'm not that arsed, however I can see the potential not liking someone running across a track to fight with a car they can't disconect. I mean if you're on a good run/needing a run and you can't see a corner cos someone is running across the track that shouldn't be there you're not going to be right chuffed are you?

[jimmy]

Observation:

Chris long stated that he wouldn't be happy sitting near someone charging LiPo.
Chris Long stated it would be a good idea to throw wire cutters at someone.Conclusion:
Chris Long is confused.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[bigred5765]

shall be drop it now its been going on for years get over it its not going to stop
close the thread jimmy

[jimmy]

I think you're right carl - however since I am locking it I get the last word, and my last word is.................. Mushrooms! :eh?: