Hamilton (again)

[Spoolio]

In the post-race interview what Hamilton could have said:

"Yeah, the car wasn't great today but that's the way it goes in this business. We have to put our heads down and push on through this rough patch. I've had two fantastic years so far and yeah there are going to be bad days every now and then, it's part of racing. Congrats to Jenson though, he's driving really well and after so long struggling now it's his time and all credit to him"

Instead he basically said: "The car is crap" and probably just reinforced the opinions of all those who think that while he is undoubtedly talented, he is still at heart an immature brat.

Way to go Lewis :thumbdown:.

Oh, well done to Button to. I bet Louise Goodman is well peeved that after commiserating with "Jens" for so many years after all the retirements, she's no longer around to congratulate him now he's winning.

[bodgit]

I love the way martin Brundle ignored his dad when he spoke to lewis,s girlfriend on his gridwalk.

[Nick Goodall]

Since he was at Honda all i ever heard out of Button's mouth (Until 2009) is "The car is shocking" "The car is sooo slow" "The car is sooooo bad"

At least Lewis is first to say what a great job the team are doing, it's fairly obvious his car is way off the pace but he's doing the best he can with it - Heikki is showing just how much better Lewis is!

[Lee]

Since he was at Honda all i ever heard out of Button's mouth (Until 2009) is "The car is shocking" "The car is sooo slow" "The car is sooooo bad"

At least Lewis is first to say what a great job the team are doing, it's fairly obvious his car is way off the pace but he's doing the best he can with it - Heikki is showing just how much better Lewis is!

Agreed, it's not like he said "the team are sat there with their thumbs up their arses"

I don't know what people have against Lewis, i wouldn't be happy either if i had been at the top in my first 2 years of F1 and then i struggle to make the top 10. It's plain to see the car is not quick judging by the pace of button when he lapped Lewis yesterday.

[11110111]

Agreed, it's not like he said "the team are sat there with their thumbs up their arses"

I don't know what people have against Lewis, i wouldn't be happy either if i had been at the top in my first 2 years of F1 and then i struggle to make the top 10. It's plain to see the car is not quick judging by the pace of button when he lapped Lewis yesterday.

he does seem to lack somewhat of a personality? :lol:

[Lee]

Yes he does but remember he is not like you or I, he is a product of mclaren and every weekend he will have been racing or training, he wouldn't be out on the lash and nailing some bird in an ally at 3am and then going for a kebab. He hasn't lived a normal life so that may explain his lack of charisma, but in interviews he always comes across as a nice lad to me. He does have to think about every word he says because the press are just waiting to twist it in one way or another.

[millzy]

thats the thing- if he did go out on the lash and do all that he would be more normal and likeable- his dads a cock as well

fucking smile you tit you got millions for fucking your wife years ago

[peetbee]

We need another James Hunt, sadly he'd be considered unemployable by the teams these days.

[Nick Goodall]

We need another James Hunt, sadly he'd be considered unemployable by the teams these days.

Button's in danger of becoming James Hunt, winning the World Title when the rest of the good drivers are in poor cars....

[Kopite]

out on the lash and nailing some bird in an ally at 3am and then going for a kebab


Chicoland actually mate, but the rest is accurate

[Lee]

Chicoland, i haven't been there for ages, i used to go there when i was seeing some bird from vicars cross. It was ideal for her to get rid of the taste :woot:

[Kopite]

Chicoland, i haven't been there for ages, i used to go there when i was seeing some bird from vicars cross. It was ideal for her to get rid of the taste :woot:


Me and Doddy went there a couple of days ago, but i couldn't poo the next day :thumbdown:

[Lee]

I hear Doddy has that effect :D:thumbsup:

[Kopite]

I hear Doddy has that effect :D:thumbsup:

must've been that game of 'hide the salami' he made me play :(

[Chris Doughty]

Button's in danger of becoming James Hunt, winning the World Title when the rest of the good drivers are in poor cars....

just to play devils advocate here... would that not have been true when Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi won their titles.... Button's (who I think is a good driver) car was WANK while they were out there winning

[millzy]

the red bull drives are both in good cars and better than most on the grid

pluse there is rubbens who is in the sister car

[SlowOne]

thats the thing- if he did go out on the lash and do all that he would be more normal and likeable- his dads a cock as well

fucking smile you tit you got millions for fucking your wife years agoWrong, you tit. Hamilton Senior was a millionaire from his business long before Lewis made his millions and shared it. Get your facts straight - or are you just suffering from being out on the lash?

Also need to remember that Lewis isn't talking to the piffling 6m Brits who watch F1, he's talking to the other 94m who watch each week, for whom English is not their first language. We're not worth targeting in marketing terms because we don't have any money to spend, that's in the Far and Middle East. He's talking for F1, creating the news and making sure that F1 is in the headlines all over the World. Frankly, Max and Bernie couldn't give a tinkers cuss what the Brits think (no British GP would suit them) and we're no longer the target market.

And, when you see the venom and ignorance displayed in this thread, you can see why!! :yawn:

[Smartalec]

They are all excellent drivers, just proves the point that Hamilton is no better or worse than anyone else. Weird how everyone was hailing him as a national treasure and racing god last year then give him a car like everyone else had last year and low and behold he's at the back of the grid. When Button was doing bad he was classed as rubbish, Hamilton does bad it's the car LOL LOL.
Schumacher was the only one who could win in a mediocre car, Hamilton will chase the money and go to another team soon (provided there's money in it next year) now he doesn't have his "dad" Ron Dennis to look after him. Why did you leave him high and dry Ron?
You did run run Ron, you did run Ron :thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

Wrong, you tit. Hamilton Senior was a millionaire from his business long before Lewis made his millions and shared it. Get your facts straight - or are you just suffering from being out on the lash?

Also need to remember that Lewis isn't talking to the piffling 6m Brits who watch F1, he's talking to the other 94m who watch each week, for whom English is not their first language. We're not worth targeting in marketing terms because we don't have any money to spend, that's in the Far and Middle East. He's talking for F1, creating the news and making sure that F1 is in the headlines all over the World. Frankly, Max and Bernie couldn't give a tinkers cuss what the Brits think (no British GP would suit them) and we're no longer the target market.

And, when you see the venom and ignorance displayed in this thread, you can see why!! :yawn:


Now then now then now then then now! How come if his dad was already loaded, I keep hearing what a rags to riches story Hamilton is, how he never had any money at all and would have had no career at all in cars without mclaren and his dad worked 4 jobs etc???

[Lee]

Anthony, worked for british rail and worked his way up, he then left to start up his own consultancy firm and sold his services to BR. He did pretty well too and employed over 40 people. I would say to employ that many people you must be doing fairly well.

I think the rags to riches is for the sun and the star etc.

[Chris Doughty]

They are all excellent drivers....

excluding Nelson Piquet Jr :woot:

[Lee]

Now there is someone living off someone elses name :thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

Yeah, cos it's not like he was any good in any of the support formulas coming up.
















Oh, hang on..

[Lee]

I don't think anyone can say Lewis is crap, i believe he is probably the best driver on the grid but it has been proven you need the full package to win a GP. Nobody wins with a crap car not even schumacher. People say he was in a mediocre car in the benetton but maybe it suited him, look at stoner in moto gp, is he a god and can ride something nobody else can or is it more the fact that the bike it built for his style :confused:

Look at hamilton, he is constantly several places higher than his team mate this shows the talent coming through. We all know mclaren are weak right now, but he still manages to grab the odd point here and there.

[DaveG28]

I think people are harsh on Piquet too though, he may not be the best, but he's nowhere near as bad as people make out. Fact is with Alonso not around he was bloody good that year testing for Renault, he didn't make it into f1 because of his name!

Lewis is good, probably great, but sorry, the best of all (Senna/Schu/older villeneuve/Alonso) still find a way to win the odd race in crap cars. I'm not saying Hamilton won't, in fact I think he will, but let's see the year play out and find out!

[kwik]

i think its more to do with the shock of him being in a car that suits him because mclaren built around him. to a car that had to be totaly re designd to the new rules. maybe ig he had a brawn he would be poll all the time and winning. or maybe the new rule change has led him to not drive an F1 car very well...

[telboy]

Schumacher was the only one who could win in a mediocre car, Hamilton will chase the money and go to another team soon (provided there's money in it next year) now he doesn't have his "dad" Ron Dennis to look after him. Why did you leave him high and dry Ron?
You did run run Ron, you did run Ron :thumbsup:

Sorry, can't say that.
When the ferrari was crap he didn't win much in it and stuggled for pace (I'm talking right at the beginning of his ferrari career) ....until Ross Brawn got in on the act.
Now, Senna....diffenrent story. He won in cars that shouldn't have even made it onto the grid!

I would say ( as much as it pains me) that Alonso is the best driver on the grid at the mo, followed closely by Hamilton. But if the car is so bad that the other one is regularly qualifying near the back, then Hamilton is doing a pretty good job getting it into the mid field.

Take a look at Schumi's and Sennas team mates in the past. most have been reasonably near to them on the grid, not 8-9 positions back. (with the exception of Micheal Andretti in the Mclaren in 1993....anyone for getting past the first lap?:woot:)

[telboy]

i think its more to do with the shock of him being in a car that suits him because mclaren built around him. to a car that had to be totaly re designd to the new rules. maybe ig he had a brawn he would be poll all the time and winning. or maybe the new rule change has led him to not drive an F1 car very well...

Technically the new rules should suit Hamiltons driving style. Lots of front down force, twitchy cars....But the Mclaren just doesn't seem to be like that, it looks too safe.

[telboy]

Plus, when you look at the times in Q2 now, they're a LOT closer than last year. Last year the difference between the fastest and the slowest could be 3-4 seconds. Sometimes this year, the people going out in Q2 are only around 3-4 tenths off the fastest times. so technically on the same light fuel load Hamilton isn't that much slower. Its just that things are so much closr this year.

[Kopite]

I would say ( as much as it pains me) that Alonso is the best driver on the grid at the mo, followed closely by Hamilton.

How can you say that? Hamilton consistently outperformed Alonso when they were team mates, in Hamilton's rookie year too

I will say though that i much preferred the days of Mansell/Senna/Prost, especially Senna who was just so gifted it was scary. Anyone remember when he was team mates with Damon Hill in the Williams team, and managed to outqualify Hill by 1.4 seconds?

[DaveG28]

How can you say that? Hamilton consistently outperformed Alonso when they were team mates, in Hamilton's rookie year too

I will say though that i much preferred the days of Mansell/Senna/Prost, especially Senna who was just so gifted it was scary. Anyone remember when he was team mates with Damon Hill in the Williams team, and managed to outqualify Hill by 1.4 seconds?

Consistently outperform to the tune of a whole point was it? Come on, they were extremely evenly matched!! In a team where Alonso was hated (yes his own fault!) for half the year!!

And the rookie thing. Well, Hamilton probably isn't any faster now than then tbh. Flat out is flat out. And last year head wise if anything he was worse. This year could be the making of him though in terms of toughness!

[SlowOne]

Nice to see everyone has their favourites - Bernie loves it that you all tune in to support your man!! ;)

Only one thing irks me - Schumacher... great... two words that should not be used in the same sentence. Never had a team mate anywhere near close to him, never allowed a fast team mate into the fold, made sure Rubens got sat on when teh car suited him better than Schumi, and most important of all, never left anything behind that changed F1. Anyone can rack up numbers by getting into the richest team and making them employ the best people on huge salaries.

Great drivers raise the game - Stewart on safety and the business approach, Clark who raced with people who were his equal, Senna who was fitter and better prepared than anyone else, Prost who taught everyone how to win at the slowest possible speed, etc., etc. Schumacher... er... nope, can't think of anything save a bunch of numbers, including spending the most of any driver in any era to win.

And, come to think of it, wasn't some fella called Brawn around for everyone of those titles, and isn't he around now... Maybe we should be praising Colin Chapman, Frank Gardner, John Barnard, Adrian Newey, Rory Byrne and Ross Brawn as they have more wins to their names than any driver ever?!!

Roll on Monaco...

[Lee]

Roll on Monaco...
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Alfonzo]

Nice to see everyone has their favourites - Bernie loves it that you all tune in to support your man!! ;)

Only one thing irks me - Schumacher... great... two words that should not be used in the same sentence. Never had a team mate anywhere near close to him, never allowed a fast team mate into the fold, made sure Rubens got sat on when teh car suited him better than Schumi, and most important of all, never left anything behind that changed F1. Anyone can rack up numbers by getting into the richest team and making them employ the best people on huge salaries.

Great drivers raise the game - Stewart on safety and the business approach, Clark who raced with people who were his equal, Senna who was fitter and better prepared than anyone else, Prost who taught everyone how to win at the slowest possible speed, etc., etc. Schumacher... er... nope, can't think of anything save a bunch of numbers, including spending the most of any driver in any era to win.

And, come to think of it, wasn't some fella called Brawn around for everyone of those titles, and isn't he around now... Maybe we should be praising Colin Chapman, Frank Gardner, John Barnard, Adrian Newey, Rory Byrne and Ross Brawn as they have more wins to their names than any driver ever?!!

Roll on Monaco...

Spot on :thumbsup:

[Nick Goodall]

Nice to see everyone has their favourites - Bernie loves it that you all tune in to support your man!! ;)

Only one thing irks me - Schumacher... great... two words that should not be used in the same sentence. Never had a team mate anywhere near close to him, never allowed a fast team mate into the fold, made sure Rubens got sat on when teh car suited him better than Schumi, and most important of all, never left anything behind that changed F1. Anyone can rack up numbers by getting into the richest team and making them employ the best people on huge salaries.

Great drivers raise the game - Stewart on safety and the business approach, Clark who raced with people who were his equal, Senna who was fitter and better prepared than anyone else, Prost who taught everyone how to win at the slowest possible speed, etc., etc. Schumacher... er... nope, can't think of anything save a bunch of numbers, including spending the most of any driver in any era to win.

And, come to think of it, wasn't some fella called Brawn around for everyone of those titles, and isn't he around now... Maybe we should be praising Colin Chapman, Frank Gardner, John Barnard, Adrian Newey, Rory Byrne and Ross Brawn as they have more wins to their names than any driver ever?!!

Roll on Monaco...

I can't believe what i'm reading lol

Schumacher is the most successful F1 driver of all time, FACT - I don't believe anyone else will achieve the same level or amount of titles he did. Lewis has a chance being so young, as does Alonso if Renault get back to having a car good enough.

I couldn't stand Michael when Hill was battling with him but the years that followed proved what a hero he is. Ferrari were scratching their heads and all but down and out of F1 until he joined. He turned the team around and changed the mentality of the whole team - That alone is a huge success story to leave behind. Look at how the team have dropped off since he left. The three guys that made that team were Michael, Jean Todt and Ross Brawn.

No matter what you say, it's not possible to win a world title or loads of them without being a very VERY talented driver.

[Nick Goodall]

I can't believe what i'm reading lol

Schumacher is the most successful F1 driver of all time, FACT - I don't believe anyone else will achieve the same level or amount of titles he did. Lewis has a chance being so young, as does Alonso if Renault get back to having a car good enough.

I couldn't stand Michael when Hill was battling with him but the years that followed proved what a hero he is. Ferrari were scratching their heads and all but down and out of F1 until he joined. He turned the team around and changed the mentality of the whole team - That alone is a huge success story to leave behind. Look at how the team have dropped off since he left. The three guys that made that team were Michael, Jean Todt and Ross Brawn.

No matter what you say, it's not possible to win a world title or loads of them without being a very VERY talented driver.

Just to add to this - there was a time at Silverstone when Michael was the only driver able to keep the car in 5th gear through Maggots by heel & toe - Great is the only word i would use to describe him, how anyone can think different is beyond me - even if you didn't like him it's impossible to deny his ability.

[PTRU]

Nick Rory and Ross turned the team around Micheal dotted the I's and crossed the T'es.

Rory has always been special all his cars have been good and won championships from Formula ford to F1, One of the greats.

[Agt26]

No doubt Schumacher was one of the best but I don't think he was the greatest. I think there were too many drivers that were outstanding for different reasons and that each era of F1 has it's own one maybe two drivers that are superior in terms of driving style and off track commitment.

Still doesn't mean we can't argue over who we think is the best :D

Senna = my vote :thumbsup:

[kwik]

i dont think it should be greatest F1 driver. it should be greatest in F1.

and i think that should go to Ross Brawn. i dont need to tell you what he's done to F1 but no matter what challenge he gets, he concors it and i hope he is around for alot lot longor to make F1 THE greatest driving sport.

[qatmix]

Colin Chapman is the greatest. Essentially creating many of the elements that make up the dna of modern race cars. Brawn is obviously exceptional, and will make his own place in F1 history.

Senna is still my favourite driver, although I have always thought that Schumacher deserves his accolades, he was brilliant, even down to him having an unreasonable side, that made him do some rather unfair actions occasionally. There is no way that that man was a machine, he had the desire to win and the skill to match it.

Hamilton is excellent, as is Alonso, they both have some way to go before they challenge Senna and Schumacher in my books, although Hamilton has shown that he just has the edge at the moment.

BTW Rubens is my third favourite driver, when he is on fire he is untouchable. He is no doubt the greatest world champion that was never allowed to take the title.

[telboy]

Schumacher didn't bring Ferrari back from the dead. A re-jig of the managment and design team did that. Hmm come to think of it, it was the same team that did the same for benneton.
I think his closest team mates have been Barrichello, and Herbert. herbert was never anymore than a few tenths behind him in quali....until Herbert won a race, then suddenly his pace dropped off. Maybe the team had a quiet word in thier ear from Schumi?
Schumacher (as good as he was) acheived more points and titles in an era when the cars were easy to drive, with traction control, launch control, automatic/semi automatic gearboxes, active suspension, no clutch's...and all the other gadgets. Although his efforts are all over the statistics, I can't bring myself to consider him anywhere near as good as the oldies.

Senna
Clark
Stewart
Villenueve (Sr)
Prost
Alesi

I can't wait for next year when they've got to start with full loads of fuel. Shame Bridgestone can't make a tyre to last the whole race, or else we could have some intresting strategies.:thumbsup:

Thought it was funny when Nico Rosberg was moaning about it to his dad, and his dad just turned round and said, "How the hell do you think we went on!" Class!:woot:

[Nick Goodall]

Schumacher didn't bring Ferrari back from the dead. A re-jig of the managment and design team did that. Hmm come to think of it, it was the same team that did the same for benneton.
I think his closest team mates have been Barrichello, and Herbert. herbert was never anymore than a few tenths behind him in quali....until Herbert won a race, then suddenly his pace dropped off. Maybe the team had a quiet word in thier ear from Schumi?
Schumacher (as good as he was) acheived more points and titles in an era when the cars were easy to drive, with traction control, launch control, automatic/semi automatic gearboxes, active suspension, no clutch's...and all the other gadgets. Although his efforts are all over the statistics, I can't bring myself to consider him anywhere near as good as the oldies.

Senna
Clark
Stewart
Villenueve (Sr)
Prost
Alesi

I can't wait for next year when they've got to start with full loads of fuel. Shame Bridgestone can't make a tyre to last the whole race, or else we could have some intresting strategies.:thumbsup:

Thought it was funny when Nico Rosberg was moaning about it to his dad, and his dad just turned round and said, "How the hell do you think we went on!" Class!:woot:

Not sure how Alesi got in that category but i'll agree on some of the others....... I'd like to see what the likes of Sir Jackie, Stiring Moss and other greats would say to everyone that is doubting Schumachers talents as a driver...... If it was all down to the cars being easy to drive why was he quicker then everyone else??

[telboy]

The others probably lost time going for the gear levers and clutches!!:woot:

I truly think that Alesi was one the greatest drivers never to get into a decent car and win a championship...a little bit like Herbert. It was a shame Herbert broke both his legs in the huge Brands Hatch accident...
4E3p7abjFxI
Herbert was in the yellow car, for those that have never seen it before.

Look at Alesi's efforts in the Tyrrell in 1990 going wheel to wheel with senna in phoenix....
LgIPmjGNFgo

The old days were the best.:D

[Lee]

Murray sounds a bit different :lol:

You don't get racing like that anymore. Personally i dont think its down to drivers being less talented although the likes of Senna are very special, i think its more of a strategy now than balls out racing.:thumbdown:

[DaveG28]

Murray sounds a bit different :lol:

You don't get racing like that anymore. Personally i dont think its down to drivers being less talented although the likes of Senna are very special, i think its more of a strategy now than balls out racing.:thumbdown:

Exactly, what's the point of taking that risk when you can sit and wait for fuelstops:thumbdown:

Can't wait for next year with no refueling!:thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

The others probably lost time going for the gear levers and clutches!!:woot:

I truly think that Alesi was one the greatest drivers never to get into a decent car and win a championship...a little bit like Herbert. It was a shame Herbert broke both his legs in the huge Brands Hatch accident...
4E3p7abjFxI
Herbert was in the yellow car, for those that have never seen it before.

Look at Alesi's efforts in the Tyrrell in 1990 going wheel to wheel with senna in phoenix....
LgIPmjGNFgo

The old days were the best.:D

Seen the video of Alesi practicing/qualifying at Monaco that year? Awesome!!