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Dyna

13-05-2009, 11:33 AM

We are all waiting for Welshy to come along.... :lol:

Then again, there are a couple of other people on here who have them or owned them in the past who might be able to help you.

Nice find though, a few years ago you might've got maybe 4-500 quid for that on Ebay. Now, ive heard they can go 2-3 times that NIB for both 1 and 2 ZXS versions. Realistically as ever its however someone is actually prepared to pay for it on the day. I'd love one, but they are well out of my pocket these days.

Welshy will be able to help you :)

Tjompa

13-05-2009, 02:07 PM

Hi!
Thanks for your answers!
Did find it at a rc collector in the middle of Sweden.
I have heard rumors also on this guy named Welshy, but will he really wet himself?:drool:

Welshy40

13-05-2009, 04:56 PM

Hi!
Thanks for your answers!
Did find it at a rc collector in the middle of Sweden.
I have heard rumors also on this guy named Welshy, but will he really wet himself?:drool:

Im English and racing one of these. Actually the prototypes go for two to three times the value and youll find that these are getting cheaper every day due to whats going on. Pm me.

kek23k

14-05-2009, 09:47 AM

Welshy40

14-05-2009, 01:36 PM

That's awesome, wish I had some spare cash for that lol. Welshy, how much are these worth currently and what are the key differences between this and your running prototype (pics of which I have drooled over many times lol)?

Chassis is different, basically a three piece chassis with two servo holes to attach the servo instaed of one hole and a tie wrap and glue to hold it in - very much like the YZ10.

(The three piece chassis ended up in the Mk2 version - ZX-S Evolution and only 200 were made of that model)

Mine also has protos front castor blocks front and rear, proto ujs, all blue alloy instead of silver (prototypes only) and a slightly different lightened hyper clutch which is also blue. Also proto type diffs with smaller and more balls making it super smoothe. ZX and ZXR hexes with pins to hold them on instead of the yokomo wheel adaptor and prototype kyosho shocks. also the Ujs are longer than the ZXR and ZX-S. Ok these items with a few little mods except the proto Ujs all ended up on the ZX-S Evo and was a better car due to the little changes. The ZXS had the better balance on the chassis but the overall car was not as good as the Evo. Oh yes mine also has a carbon fibre kick up plate instead of the alloy one, which I cut from a chassis that was beyond repair. One of the 300 ZXS chassis I may add.

Also worth mentioning the shocks, castor block and rear hubs are now being used on the ZX-5 and rear hubs on the 2wd buggy and are almost identical to the original protos. I think thats it.:thumbsup:

Cost, thats a good one. My mates rekon a couple of grand for my new unused proto (I havent needed to break it for spares) and possibly the same again for the one I am using, if not more due to the amount of spares I have but that wont be sold as I enjoy using it.

The ZX-S you can pick up from £80 for a worn out one (and lets face it you wont have much luck in rebuilding it as there are no spares anywhere in the world) and a never used one from £200 onwards, depending on how much you want to spend. Personally I wouldnt go beyond £250 as you cant race it, as the rear end would break on a roll, hence why I have modded the rear on mine in alloy (Manolis is the master with Alloy!!!!!)

pUs

14-05-2009, 02:24 PM

I don't know if you noticed Welshy, but that's the ZX-S with the one-piece carbon chassis and Losi shocks. Without exaggerating, I'd say £200 is quite way off it's actual worth.

Tjompa

14-05-2009, 02:26 PM

If this kit so rare why isn´t it worth more? Take a look att Tamiya cars, like an Egress or Top Force evo, the cheapest EVO NIB is around 900USD on ebay, and Egress is approx 1500USD or more, they are more egresses NIB than a Lazer ZX-S NIB, cant really believe this.

peetbee

14-05-2009, 02:46 PM

There's more people collecting Tamiya's than there are people collecting Kyosho. For some reason Kyosho have always lagged behind in collectability and therefore value.

Dyna

14-05-2009, 02:48 PM

Hmmm i think what Welshy is trying to get at is its not a popular or even well known car at all, unlike the fanboy Egress's and Top Force Evo's - I suppose you could get old used ZX-S's relatively cheap ( if you can find one ) but spares are virtually non-existent. Very little is duplicated on the ZXR or ZXRR. So running one is pretty much out of the question.

As far as the chassis goes, its running a seperate front kicker ( unlike the ZXR range ) which do bend/break. Plus the rear end is not that strong either.

So again, its whatever someone is prepared to pay for a relatively unknown kit. Some might not pay more than 250 quid, some might pay a thousand quid.

Tjompa

14-05-2009, 04:16 PM

In the eye of the beholder...
Well, i keep this for some time:)

Welshy40

14-05-2009, 05:31 PM

I don't know if you noticed Welshy, but that's the ZX-S with the one-piece carbon chassis and Losi shocks. Without exaggerating, I'd say £200 is quite way off it's actual worth.

Well i got one for 90 so i do know the going rate. If u read what i said i cut the one piece kick up off the chassis as it had seen better days yet the kick up was ok. Ive been racing this for quite some time and know a lot about both models. Not all came with losi shocks as some were given the option on certain items before they made the kit hence why some came with the gold shocks, mind u most were losi silver or black shocks. Mind u the evo also had options before buying

Welshy40

14-05-2009, 05:38 PM

Welshy40

14-05-2009, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tjompa http://www.oople.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?p=241168#post241168)
If this kit so rare why isn´t it worth more? Take a look att Tamiya cars, like an Egress or Top Force evo, the cheapest EVO NIB is around 900USD on ebay, and Egress is approx 1500USD or more, they are more egresses NIB than a Lazer ZX-S NIB, cant really believe this.

It because the design is a bit special. Cf gearbox on the rear and a few changes here and there make this a bit special, it looks great and yes has made two worlds A finals on dust / clay but lets be honest here is rubbish on any other surface unless you do a lot of development work on it . Ive redesigned a new chassis layout, different width, and slight alterations here and there to try to give grip to the rear and take some away from the front. I enjoy hard work and this makes setting up a brick look easy [quote]

pUs

15-05-2009, 08:58 AM

Well i got one for 90 so i do know the going rate. If u read what i said i cut the one piece kick up off the chassis as it had seen better days yet the kick up was ok. Ive been racing this for quite some time and know a lot about both models. Not all came with losi shocks as some were given the option on certain items before they made the kit hence why some came with the gold shocks, mind u most were losi silver or black shocks. Mind u the evo also had options before buying

Welshy, without being rude, you're not the only one around who "knows a lot" about the Lazer family. If you got a ZX-S for £90, then congratulations to you, that's all I can say.

No matter how you put it though, the ZX-S is a rare piece of RC-history and to some people, this car holds a high value simply because it's so hard to find, especially NIB. Sure, it's not probable that you'll get 2000$ for a ZXS Evo NIB (as somebody tried on Ebay recently with limited success) but still there's no need for exaggerating.. given the right buyer, the car is worth a lot, period. I know, because I would pay a lot.

Welshy40

15-05-2009, 12:45 PM

Welshy, without being rude, you're not the only one around who "knows a lot" about the Lazer family. If you got a ZX-S for £90, then congratulations to you, that's all I can say.

No matter how you put it though, the ZX-S is a rare piece of RC-history and to some people, this car holds a high value simply because it's so hard to find, especially NIB. Sure, it's not probable that you'll get 2000$ for a ZXS Evo NIB (as somebody tried on Ebay recently with limited success) but still there's no need for exaggerating.. given the right buyer, the car is worth a lot, period. I know, because I would pay a lot.

I know I am not the only one who knows a lot but I do know a lot about this car as I am still racing it, in fact how many others are? Thats gotta show quality straight away. Heck if your around my neck of the woods or me being around yours I have no problems letting you have a go, as every ones opinion helps especially relating to set up.

I agree and did say that its down to the individual what they want to pay, I got one for the going rate and was a bit disappointed with the chassis more than anything, yes its a one piece but you have to glue the servo to it which is not a good idea, hence why the evo is better.

I prefer Kyosho due to being a better product from Tamiya (up until now that is). £200 up to £400 but as you said if you had the opportunity and cash then why not go higher if your passionate about it.

Still makes me wonder how much someone would actually pay for my new built ZX-S prototype, as all its doing is taking up space in a box in my cupboard.

Also would be interested if anyone out there who has a ZX-S with a sticker sheet could take a picture of the sticker sheet and post it, so I can get it made for the buggy in the box, I used all of my stickers years back. Thanks.

Tjompa

15-05-2009, 02:13 PM

I have spoken to my friend who owns a hobbyshop today and he can supply almost every part for the ZX-S, the body and rear uprights is out of stock though.
So if i decide to build it and race it i dont need to worry about parts.
Sounds really great.

Dyna

15-05-2009, 02:38 PM

Seriously ? He can get all parts for the ZX-S ?? If so then post the name of the shop and contact details !! :)

But are you sure he dosent mean the Lazer ZXS ( Sport ) ? You can still get nearly all the ZX/ZXR/ZXSport parts so it may be those he can get hold of ? The Sport was a watered-down ZXR and Ive got a NIB one up in the loft, very basic buggies though.

If they ARE genuine ZX-S parts you can get, let us know !

Tjompa

15-05-2009, 02:56 PM

In that shop you could only search on partnumber (bags) and i asked him on lets say 15 different items from my ZX-S manual and they got a hit every time.

Dyna

15-05-2009, 02:58 PM

Fantastic :thumbsup:

Can you give the details of the parts shop please ?

pUs

15-05-2009, 03:30 PM

I know I am not the only one who knows a lot but I do know a lot about this car as I am still racing it, in fact how many others are?

Thanks, I already know you are racing it, we've communicated quite a lot concering Lazers on other forums during the past years.

Thats gotta show quality straight away.

Well.. I remember reading in another thread about how Ellis Stafford supposedly 'lapped' the whole field during the '92 Euro's etc and having a laugh when reading about the actual race in an old RCMC issue a while later.. you tend to exaggerate sometimes when Lazers are being discussed. Sure, he won, but in reality it was slightly tighter than that. :)

I agree and did say that its down to the individual what they want to pay, I got one for the going rate and was a bit disappointed with the chassis more than anything, yes its a one piece but you have to glue the servo to it which is not a good idea, hence why the evo is better.

Well yeah, it's a little messy way of attaching the servo, but it's no problem if you do it correctly. Much like on the YZ-10 at the same time, there wasn't much space on the chassis plate to mount it in any other way. Still never had a servo coming loose during racing..

Also would be interested if anyone out there who has a ZX-S with a sticker sheet could take a picture of the sticker sheet and post it, so I can get it made for the buggy in the box, I used all of my stickers years back. Thanks.

I'm pretty sure Tomas could scan his stickers for you if you ask him really politely ;)

Welshy40

15-05-2009, 04:07 PM

Ellis did i believe from memory the only 15 lap qualifier and was a lap ahead of the competition. I cant remember it all but he was in a different league at that event with the zxr.

Welshy40

15-05-2009, 04:21 PM

If that shop has these items in stock then great but if they are looking at what kyosho have then be warned that they might not be there. Still if they are bang on. What part numbers did u ask for by the way?

pUs

15-05-2009, 06:32 PM

Ellis did i believe from memory the only 15 lap qualifier and was a lap ahead of the competition. I cant remember it all but he was in a different league at that event with the zxr.

Yup, he did, a slow 15 lapper. However, next best qualifier missed out on 15 laps by 1 second.. a total of 2.5 seconds down the road.

Also, Craig Drescher actually beat his time, but was disqualified since scrutineers found his car too wide. Still impressive results, but by no means in a different league. Everybody sitting on the outside of the dusty grid were heavily penalised in the finals, as could be seen by the final results..

Honourable mention to Lee Wright as well, he put a near standard Top Force Evolution in 4th spot in qualifying. :) Ended up way below that in the final standings though.

Welshy40

16-05-2009, 12:22 PM

I still think Jamie Booths Top force was stunning on the day, especially at the euros. God I am showing my age a bit now.

Tjompa

24-05-2009, 08:19 PM

purpletimbo

25-05-2009, 12:39 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kyosho-Lazer-ZX-S-zx-s-NIB-vintage-rc-car-rare_W0QQitemZ160337260876QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio _Control_Vehicles?hash=item2554d8714c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7 C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
:o

Welshy40

25-05-2009, 04:48 PM

Welshy, i sold this car on ebay yesterday and the price you did told me is just a joke, thank god i wasn´t ripped off by you or somebody else, i did get 1000USD for the car and it was sold quickly.
I think you know what youre talking about and please be a little more honest next time a clueless person walks in to the oople office.:thumbdown:
I know where to find parts for the car but i keep that as a secret of my own.

You actually found someone willing to pay that amount. Well good on you, I still cant believe any one would pay that, still they did and you have now made some money so well done. You must remember I race these, and they are not going to be very rare soon as you can now almost make one yourself for no more than £350.00. All carbon fibre parts are readily available from Fibre-lyte and the plastic bits will sooner or later be made, plus the drive train items with exception of the belts which shouldnt be too hard to source. Soon these things wont be worth that much. Sorry but thats a fact. But I am gob smacked that someone paid that for just a standard ZXS which is not as rare as the ZX-S Evo. I thought my car was rare so wonder how much I would get for mine, and I originally thought £500 was a good price, maybe I should go for £2500.

Tjompa

25-05-2009, 04:53 PM

Hehe let´s try Welshy!

gps3300

25-05-2009, 07:45 PM

You must remember I race these, and they are not going to be very rare soon as you can now almost make one yourself for no more than £350.00.......Sorry but thats a fact. But I am gob smacked that someone paid that for just a standard ZXS

Welshy, you aren't really clued up on this collecting thing are you? A hard core collector has obviously valued Tjompa's car at $990 because it's original and new in box, and very, very rare indeed. A repro with modern parts made by Fibre-lyte + others will never be worth anywhere near as much! Even with the ability in 2009 to recreate a new ZX-S, I doubt if the "For Sale" section will be swimming in them as most people have got better cars/things to spend their money on....

Welshy40

25-05-2009, 10:16 PM

Welshy, you aren't really clued up on this collecting thing are you? A hard core collector has obviously valued Tjompa's car at $990 because it's original and new in box, and very, very rare indeed. A repro with modern parts made by Fibre-lyte + others will never be worth anywhere near as much! Even with the ability in 2009 to recreate a new ZX-S, I doubt if the "For Sale" section will be swimming in them as most people have got better cars/things to spend their money on....

I understand that these were built to be raced and not left in a box unbuilt. Thats why i race mine and understand to some degree why this buggy was built due to learning how it works properly. Yes one i have is unused but thats spares when mine ever run out. Still how many unused prototypes are there? Also worth pointing out fibre lyte make a better product than what comes with the zxs.

gps3300

26-05-2009, 04:51 PM

I understand that these were built to be raced and not left in a box unbuilt.

Hmm..that's what I mean - you're a racer not a collector. I respect anyone who puts time & effort into racing a vintage buggy...especially something expensive like your ZX-S's. However by suggesting Tjompa's car was worth £200 you made yourself look rather silly / trying some kind of scam to devalue it.....

Si Coe

26-05-2009, 05:45 PM

I've sold a couple of rare items recently that in hindsight I could say I regret how little they went for. Indeed, I recently sold a Cougar 2000 shell and undertray here on Oople that is now on Ebay for considerably more than he paid me for it.

Am I angry? Not really. After all these things are worth only what someone is willing to pay for them. A collector who desparately wants that one last item to complete a collection is willing to pay a lot more than most of us, but only if that person spots the item you are selling. Even then you need at least 2 such motivated people to drive the price up.

The point is Welshy couldn't think why anyone would want to pay more than £200 for it, and the fact is most people wouldn't. You found one, and got a pretty sum for it. Be pleased, but realise you were lucky, thats all.......

Editted - Just to say I'm really not at all bothered. I wouldn't want anyone to think I was bad mouthing a fellow Oopler. He didn't expect it would go for so much either!

Funkymojo

26-05-2009, 11:26 PM

I totally agree with you Si Coe...As for you Tjompa, i'm really happy you got a good price for it, i remember telling you on Rctech that you could get it for a good price if you put it on ebay...To be fair, the ZXS is a rare buggy and yes it does command a high price but i've seen some on ebay that went for less than £200 and some went as high as £500. For vintage kits, there isn't a fixed price on it, it all depends how much a collector is willing to pay for it and how desperately he wants to own it. I've seen brand new built mint condition Tamiya Egress going for crazy prices while i got mine from a local ex Tamiya team driver with lots of prototype parts and tons of spares for free and the condition is top notch. To many collectors, the Egress is a collector's dream but to the ex Tamiya team driver, it's taking up space in his room and it's an old outdated worthless buggy..lol..Prices of vintage kits are so expensive due to demand, if there was never a demand, the prices would never ever reach sky high. Collectors determine the prices of these kits. As for Welshy40, i've known him for quite some time, a really nice and helpful chap. We've spoken and dealt many times, always full of advice and willing to help. He has owned many Lazers...and has own a couple of ZXS and ZXS Evo..well maybe he's lucky cause he never paid a premium for his ZXS hence that is why he couldn't justify paying so much for one. As for the 2 ZXS Evo prototypes that he owns, that's a different story altogether. There are no more than 5 made and he has 2 with him. Now talking about price, well it depends how much a person is willing to pay for them, to a die hard Kyosho fanboy, as long as budget allows, i'm sure he will pay Welshy40 a small fortune for it but to a non collector, i don't think he would even pay £50 for an old buggy, so the bottom line is that it still boils down to how much and how badly a person wants a kit. Well Oople is my favourite forum and everyone here is really nice and helpful, even the Factory Team drivers over here are nice and helpful, so it's really sad to see fellow Oople members calling each other names...All i can say is that James aka Welshy40 is definately no scammer and is a nice chap. He's one guy i will definately trade, buy, sell with. Cheers

gps3300

27-05-2009, 11:58 AM

OK, I didn't mean to make it sound like Welshy is a scammer, was just trying to point out that a collecters mentality is different from a racer's point of view, and his point of view isn't always right. Funkymojo summed it up much better in his post. No harm meant Welshy, and as I mentioned, I respect you for putting the effort in to racing the old Lazer's against modern machinery...

Welshy40

27-05-2009, 02:55 PM

No problems at all. This is a forum afterall and opinions count. Its a bit of fun and everyone here must enjoy it, i do. Talking on the zxs again, i have a few items in the pipeline and if my idea does go to paper then i will update you. This is why i like this hobby, you can always better something with a bit of patience and persistance. Updates should be soon but this will interest everyone from collectors to racers. That should keep you thinking.

HKP

27-05-2009, 07:56 PM

indeed collecting is a funny old market.. some things are worth far more to some people than others. Welshy, with 2 (or is it 3?) Lazers probably won't value this kit as highly as others who haven't got one and really really want one!!

Good luck to Tjompa.. you sold the right car at the right price and fair play to you sir! If you can't make an honest buck what can you do?!!

p.s. I have a Lazer ZX-S too... and 2 ZX-Rs... :D

kek23k

27-05-2009, 09:35 PM

p.s. I have a Lazer ZX-S too... and 2 ZX-Rs... :D

Any pics?

terry.sc

28-05-2009, 12:33 AM

I understand that these were built to be raced and not left in a box unbuilt. That's the point. Tjompas car is still in the box and that will always attract a huge premium over a built car to a collector and I would say the price he got was about right, maybe more if sold at the right time. After all there's, relatively speaking, plenty of built examples around, but very few still in the box untouched. The exact same kit when freshly built and not run would be worth no more than $400-500. There's also the fact it's a NIB ZX-S, not an Evo. The Evo might be a better car on the track, but for a collector it doesn't have the history to go with it that the ZX-S does.

Rarity doesn't guarantee a high price for collectors, it's the desirability that does. Look at Tamiyaclub, on ebay the most expensive vintage r/cs are the Sand Scorcher, Rough Rider, Hilux and Bruiser, yet they are 4 of the top 6 most popular chassis owned in Tamiyaclubs showrooms.

Also worth pointing out fibre lyte make a better product than what comes with the zxs.That's irrelevant, a collector will want it as it originally came. A car with a little used original chassis with a few scratches will be worth more than one with a brand new Fibrelyte replacement, collectors want it to be as original as possible.

There's a world of difference between vintage collecting and r/c racing. It's like the Rough Rider rerelease, it will have little effect on the vintage r/c market as there are so few parts that are the same as the original, so collectors will still want the older, less robust original parts even for their runners, and there's a lot of us vintage fans having no interest in it because there's so many differences.

pUs

28-05-2009, 09:58 AM

You actually found someone willing to pay that amount.

Err..doesn't it always work like that? Might be time to consider that most countries operate in a market economy environment..

Well good on you, I still cant believe any one would pay that, still they did and you have now made some money so well done.

I already told you - the car is highly sought after by some people. Not just collectors, but by people who knew it was rare already back in 1996-1997 and even more rare at this time. For christ's sake, it was listed at Tower hobbies at something like 650 USD for a long time. What's so hard to understand? Kyosho never even seemed interested in selling it in any volumes. If they would have been, they certainly wouldn't have shipped it with Losi shocks. I can think of more cost-effective ways, for instance use their own stuff..

You must remember I race these, and they are not going to be very rare soon as you can now almost make one yourself for no more than £350.00.

A replica is a replica and as such is not worth much, correct.

All carbon fibre parts are readily available from Fibre-lyte and the plastic bits will sooner or later be made, plus the drive train items with exception of the belts which shouldnt be too hard to source. Soon these things wont be worth that much.

Totally irrelevant. His car was not a mix and match by repro parts or newly created parts - simply a piece of Kyosho history, intact and unbuilt. They are rare.

Sorry but thats a fact.

Judging from the outcome of the auction, it's obviously not a fact at all.

But I am gob smacked that someone paid that for just a standard ZXS which is not as rare as the ZX-S Evo.

Not many people are collecting these cars. But I'd dare say you're in a minority compared to the amount of people collecting the ZX-S family, as opposed to racing them..

I thought my car was rare so wonder how much I would get for mine, and I originally thought £500 was a good price, maybe I should go for £2500.

Well, try it. Somebody tried selling a ZXS Evo for something close to that amount recently (can't remember the exact figure). Of course, no bids on that one..

BORMAC

28-05-2009, 10:58 AM

Dyna

28-05-2009, 12:42 PM

I agree - an interesting thread :)

I also agree that James is possibly getting cast in a slightly bad light here ? I've had the pleasure of meeting James, and i can say that a) he's a very nice bloke in person and does know a hell of a lot about Lazers and buggies in general and b) he really is a better driver than most of us reading this will ever be, myself included :lol:

Whether Tjompa wants to keep his kits or sell them for a profit is entirely up to him though, and good luck to him if he can find people to buy stuff at higher prices :)

The only thing im slightly confused about is that Tjompa said he knows where to find just about all the genuine parts to actually build a new ZXS and he dosent want to tell anyone else ? I would love to have the opportunity to try to build one as im sure others would - and surely helping a hobbyshop owner to sell more parts in these tough times and also help other enthusiasts try to fufil an ambition is a good thing ? :confused:

Welshy40

28-05-2009, 12:44 PM

Well, try it. Somebody tried selling a ZXS Evo for something close to that amount recently (can't remember the exact figure). Of course, no bids on that one..

Well I may sell my unused prototype Evo thats just built and sitting in a box unused. I dont need to use it as spares so may put it up for auction, and wonder how many of this were made, 10 maybe so may be worth trying for a lot more, if I can be bothered to that is to stick it on Ebay.:thumbsup:

pUs

28-05-2009, 01:39 PM

Well I may sell my unused prototype Evo thats just built and sitting in a box unused. I dont need to use it as spares so may put it up for auction, and wonder how many of this were made, 10 maybe so may be worth trying for a lot more, if I can be bothered to that is to stick it on Ebay.:thumbsup:

Prototype, in what way? As far as I know, the ZX-S Evo was on a limited production run but distributed & sold normally in Japan to any shop who specifically ordered the car. A bit like the original ZX-S. Nothing secret about the evo either, the manual was available for downloading just like any regular Kyosho car, and it was on their japanese web site as well (although well hidden for us europeans). Does your Evo pre-date this car, or what?

Welshy40

28-05-2009, 05:12 PM

Prototype, in what way? As far as I know, the ZX-S Evo was on a limited production run but distributed & sold normally in Japan to any shop who specifically ordered the car. A bit like the original ZX-S. Nothing secret about the evo either, the manual was available for downloading just like any regular Kyosho car, and it was on their japanese web site as well (although well hidden for us europeans). Does your Evo pre-date this car, or what?

Prototype meaning exactly that. Funny thing is this was being developed before the zxs one piece chassis buggy was sold on the japanese market, and yes the evo was marketed differently and sold to a different spec. I have two protos one i still race and one for backup which is built just collecting dust which may get sold in the future but would be interested to find out how much i could get for it. Comes with the original manual which are a4 printed and with a few clay setups typed up. The box got used and abused over the years for tires and is in box heaven.

pUs

28-05-2009, 07:11 PM

Prototype meaning exactly that. Funny thing is this was being developed before the zxs one piece chassis buggy was sold on the japanese market, and yes the evo was marketed differently and sold to a different spec. I have two protos one i still race and one for backup which is built just collecting dust which may get sold in the future but would be interested to find out how much i could get for it. Comes with the original manual which are a4 printed and with a few clay setups typed up. The box got used and abused over the years for tires and is in box heaven.

Ok, didn't even know such a Lazer existed. Is it one of the cars that were prepared for the 1995 Worlds in Japan, or was it even before that?

Welshy40

28-05-2009, 09:05 PM

Ok, didn't even know such a Lazer existed. Is it one of the cars that were prepared for the 1995 Worlds in Japan, or was it even before that?

I know development happened before the 93 worlds, and am unsure what exactly Joel had under his modified mid shell. I did have his car in my hands but cant remember as I wasnt really paying much attention to the car at the time. I did know that Bob Gammon and a few of the drivers were messing around with ideas that were very similar to the ZXS open gearbox on the ZXR in 91/92.

I know they made the 95 worlds in Japan with two buggies and one was a one piece chassis and I believe the other was a three piece. Some drivers prefered the one piece as the balance was different compared to the three piece. The two I have are from late 94 early 95, before the 96 selling date.

The three piece won the Japanese nats and beating Masami for the title not long after he won the worlds if thats any help. I cant say if it was 94 or 96 as I lost a lot of my stuff on my HD recently. Hope this helps

HKP

29-05-2009, 09:16 AM

Any pics?

Gosh, yes, somewhere.. I believe they were on RC10Talk.. I'll have a poke about and find a linky.

HKP

29-05-2009, 09:21 AM

One pic I have on my HD of the ZXS (three piece chassis car)

FERRETTI

29-05-2009, 11:09 AM

Gosh, yes, somewhere.. I believe they were on RC10Talk.. I'll have a poke about and find a linky.

Is this the same model?

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=59677&id=18675

purpletimbo

29-05-2009, 11:34 AM

I believe that is scoobster on here, was a different one that he got hold of, seem to recall it was NIB wrapped from USA on a buy it now on ebay.
tom's pics have all vanished:o

Welshy40

29-05-2009, 04:29 PM

The three piece chassos design also has different front and rear hubs, and different ujs as well as shocks. These items all eventually ended up on the zx5. Also worth mentioning that hkp has prototype shocks on his work of art.

Tjompa

30-05-2009, 03:18 PM

LOL! What an interesting thread. I think things have come off a bit raw with regards to poor Welshy's appraisal and Welshy has copped a bit of a hard time for this.
I have another point of view and this doesn't just go for the ZX-S nib kits either. More so- what did this ZX-S cost the seller? Its funny how he made $1000 bucks off it from ebay but did he go back to the collector guy he bought it from and offer him a farer market value or did he infact make a killing?? I wonder?
Its interesting how Welshy was put in the firing line for a price that wasn't as high as what it went for. Even if Welshy had offered this guy well under what it was worth and Welshy could have walked away with a great deal, whats the diference between this and the previous transaction in which this kit was obtained?
My point. Simple, its funny how people masquarade as collectors or enthusiast then the next minute they are out flogging a kit the seller said he'd like to hold on to.
So what profit was made on this kit anyways? Dare to share:lol:

Well Bormac, dare to share...
You are presuming things here, i dont like that.
I can say that the seller was very informed about the price of theese kits, he had full control and he bought it for a pretty high price himself a while ago.
I am a gentleman and a true gentleman dont discuss money, but i can say far less than you think.
In this case i bought a car that is rare and i liked to keep, but by some reason i needed to sell.

And the silly stuff:
A true collector or enthusiast also sell stuff, i have done some great deals (and more not so great) thru the years, some scorchers and other classic cars, bought cheap and sell on ebay, well am i doing something wrong? I can also say that my salary dont finance everything i want so if i find a car i can sell with profit it´s up to me, but often i spend it on my racecars, so dont tell me that i´m not an enthusiast.

BORMAC

30-05-2009, 11:09 PM

Tjompa,
My point was that it seemed Welshy was copping flack for giving you an aprasal on what he thought this kit was worth and even if it had been an offer it was what he was willing to pay. Its realy very silly to get on any forum and ask what something is worth. When a person does this its transparant to say the least that a kit/car has been bought with intentions of selling.
These forums arent a true indication of what something is worth anyway. We've all been around long enough to know that. The only way to know is to set it amongst the market in which you finaly did. So much for wanting to keep such a rare kit as you had innitialy said.
Now dont take this the wrong way but it seems Welshy had given you his aprasal and it looked like you were insulted. My point being with all this was I wonder what you paid for the kit from the guy who sold it to you? Not game to share? Why not? Something to hide maybe? The whole point being that Im sure you made a killing when you sold it and like many other would be 'entrepruners' out there im sure you wanted to pay as little yourself when you bought this kit from the innitial seller. Is it so wrong for others to make offers of much the same nature?
Its funny when the shoe is on the other foot. While some people pose as racers or collectors there will always be those of us who are here to make a quick buck and thats ok if you are honest about it. Wether you are this person or not I think people should be aware of this when trades are transpiring. Im sure we all do it for our own reasons.
So dare to share with the rest of your friends where this stash of ZX-S spares are or are you going to keep this to yourself also to make more $$$ I wonder? :D

pUs

31-05-2009, 12:57 PM

Now dont take this the wrong way but it seems Welshy had given you his aprasal and it looked like you were insulted.

I know tjompa can speak for himself, but I personally just reacted to the ridiculously low figure stated by Welshy. If you know one tiny bit of Kyosho history and know what's actually available out there, you know it's not worth that little. I'd dare say that's not even an opinion but a fact.

And of course, the outcome of the auction quite clearly supports that. After having sold the car for 5 times the amount Welshy thought it was worth, then I'd say it wasn't that far-fetched to ask what that was all about.

There's just no need for exaggerations whatever the reasons, especially not when you know better. :)

Welshy40

31-05-2009, 02:34 PM

Well my single piece was sold to me for 95 inc p&p and another three piece new for £250 inc p&p which has been dismantled for spares. The price was not false and very accurate hence why i stated it. Hkp can vouch for this if you dont believe me. Also if that shop actually has stock of those spares great but i do know that all shops are given a list that kyosho can supply however they are not very accurate and are not in stock. Dont get me wrong as if they actually have then great but dont know why a shop would buy spares for a buggy that wasnt sold in that country. Not cost effective for a business to do that. Also Japan have none as i was sent what they had in their stores ages ago. Maybe ten front belts left and thats that.