Replacement Durango

[Rebelrc]

Hello needed a replacement for my Durango so i made this
the Rebel CC4 to go with my Rebel b4
its not finished yet but all the hard stuff is sorted (now the fun stuff can begin):thumbsup:
many thanks to Microtech racing for supplying the car a couple of weeks ago in such a fast efficient manner:thumbsup:

[mattym0310]

another great car there scott. What car is it based around?? [gearboxes, wishbones etc.]

[ben]

Bmax :thumbsup:

[Rebelrc]

All Bmax with no mods just retro fit and 50/50 weight distribution with any Brca legal lipo saddle
cheers mat:)

[nitrokillah]

Nice job man Looks like an Atomized-Bmax .

keep up the good work .

[jimmy]

awesome - looks really good Scott. That chassis is ace - did you make it or have it made for you?

[Rebelrc]

Properized!:D

[ben]

What's the battery layout going to be like? Is there much room for electrics?

[Rebelrc]

Made it my self....big weave...nice and shiney
cheers Jimmy shame it hasnt got any oople stickers on it!:(
the curvey moulded carbon topdeck/cover is going to look better though if it works (cant see why not)
those towers are 6mm thick

[Rebelrc]

tons of room ben:D
this is a rough guide

[jim76]

i had my hands on this at the weekend. It looks good, and i fitted my demon saddle lipos, an LRP sphere, motor, servo and chunky receiver in it fine.

just get it on a track soon Scott!!

[Rebelrc]

Couple of weeks mate...
cheers for the lipo loan Jim:thumbsup:
Good too catch up with you James

[J_WOODY]

that looks awesome :thumbsup: are you going to put the chassis into production, or is it a 1 off ?

[nitrokillah]

wow that layout looks really intersting . :woot:

might be the next step of Evolition .

[Chris Doughty]

with the motor facing that way, do you need to change the direction of rotation for the motor?

[DCM]

depends on the crownwheel/pinion orientation I guess...?

[Chris Doughty]

depends on the crownwheel/pinion orientation I guess...?

if its BMAX transmission and the motor is then 'backwards' to how it is in the BMAX, unless you put the diffs it backwards to compensate for this, the motor would need to be reversed

[DCM]

yeah, I understand that Chris, it is far less complicated to swap crownwheel orientation than it is to get the brushless to run properly, backwards.

[Chrislong]

This is possible with the Novak Slyder :thumbsup:, possibly others, but I know the Slyder does this for sure.

Like it, looks very Pro... let us know how it performs, I reckon you could sell many conversions... ;)

[DCM]

the new Tekin software does it too, gives you an option to reverse motor direction

[Rebelrc]

just checked it out...scared me there:D
crown wheel orientation swaped as i thought runs the car forwards and motor inertia is transmitted in board to help damp the effect also the transmission spins the opposite way helping to cancel that out.

[Rebelrc]

Yes i have proper moulds for the carbon so should be quite easy to make more
the best bits are still to come.;)

[Rebelrc]

Hopefully better pics:confused:

[Rebelrc]

Still blurred :confused:oh well i need a new camera:thumbdown:

[Rebelrc]

Does anyone know how much the bmax stainless screw kit is from Northy

[footey]

i belive he dosnt do a screw kit for the bmax :(

[MHeadling]

Hey Scott, my b max had stainless screws on it, I made up a kit from a bulk pack of metric screws from Rc Screwz, you get a big box of all sizes in M3 from 6-25mm so enough to do 2-3 cars I reckon

Or look on google at stagonset they do nice Ss screws and uk based

[Rebelrc]

Cheers Mark:)

[ads0021]

That is seriously cool!! That must have taken a fair few evenings!! Cant wait to see it up close!! If only I could find the time to finish my projects.

[Rebelrc]

Cheers Adam....4 evenings
side by side with my durango my new car is
Cheaper (to me)
slimmer
easier to work on
easier to obtain parts
more durable
better weight distribution
fits all legal lipo saddles...then some
more adjustable
same geometry able
lower polar inertia
One donor (not kebab)
easier radio fit
more droop acheivable

just seemed the right way to go its been in my mind for years
it looks very simple but i have been waiting for the right kind of kit ( spec/price/potential) to come along ....you know me ads not wasting any space to the mm
the bmax was the one, its a great car and i am very impressed with it even as a standard kit

cheers:)

[J_WOODY]

Have you got a bodyshell made for it yet? i'm looking forward to seeing this once its all done.... great work and great project :thumbsup: the quality looks superb:drool:

[Rebelrc]

No not yet i still have to make lots of bits
i am planning on a spring loaded tab that you pull and the motor/clutch hinge out for easy cell changing
and some massively curved carbon reinforcing/topdecky type thing thats not near the top! to brace her up a bit
shells only take an hour or so:yawn:
and you know me it will be proper snug:thumbsup:
cheers j woody

[J_WOODY]

No not yet i still have to make lots of bits
and some massively curved carbon reinforcing/topdecky

This is what i thought you'd have in mind, a curved topdeck/brace would take it to another level:thumbsup:, i may have a go at doing a b-max at some stage, but i'll probably do one to allow standard cell configuration, yours is crazy slim :woot:

[Rebelrc]

Having a few problems with time and the carbon bracing at the minute
i will crack it though....:yawn:

[Rebelrc]

Mould number8 just finished:yawn: hope this one works....there £80 a pop.....feeling kinda skint

[ben]

So you've spent £640 on moulds so far?

[Rebelrc]

There has been 10 so far:thumbsup: those 8 have been for one pain in the backside bit:D

[J_WOODY]

£80 per mould is very cheap! if you went to a company like fibre-lyte, they'd be more than double that price + vat:(. hope your latest mould works out for you, i'm looking forward to seeing the finished conversion :thumbsup:

[Rebelrc]

Cheers Woody.

[OldTimer]

Looking forward to seeing it :)

I did wonder on the earlier photos how you were going to brace the front and rear, i have always thought if you can do it is to have a high wall at the back and slots for the wishbones to hang out of, i.e. the tub wall carries on until the very back of the car, and simlar at the front.

A bit like this http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/fl/cars/yokomo/mr4tcsdtub.html

Would be such a clean design ;)

[Rebelrc]

cheers Jonathon
i have just been working on the rear bracing heres some pics
it looks rough at mo but will soon be sorted ;)
looks a bit odd to me?
i just need to square up and cut it out symetricley
it is very hard to photograph because its so curved it allways looks p***ed
oh and that is rebel my cat in the foreground haha

[ben]

That's some pretty hardcore moulding!

does that brace have to be removed in order to take the cells out?

[Rebelrc]

Yes Ben the car has been made to take lipos
but 6 screws will get em out:thumbsup:
i can cut it out more so they come out from the top but not got that far :)yet.......+it seemed sacrilage to chop away all those curves:thumbdown:

[greasy mark]

not as far as i no from what scott was saying on the phone earlyer but that may have changed since nice to see some biggr pics as i get them txtd to me most of the time lol

[Rebelrc]

Cheers Mark
Do the texts annoy you lol:D

[nitrokillah]

http://www.oople.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7231&d=1243975359

Absolute sicness .
I Love that organic Look .
Remindz me of the old Durango shell .

[ads0021]

This car is looking unbelievable!! You've set a new standard!!! Do you know when you are going to take it for a test drive? Boughton maybe? What changes have you made to the B Max? Geometry? Weight distribution? It must be stiffer than the original!

[Rebelrc]

The weight distribution is 52 rear 48 front with no weight so far and the geometry/length is standard bmax
hoping to run it at faversham soon
but i have learnt one thing from building this....i wont build another carbon car they are a pain:cry:
the mess is a nightmare and they need lots of bracing :yawn:
i will finish it though, just its a bit boring:bored:

[MHeadling]

Keep going Scott 'You Can do it'!!!!!

[greasy mark]

keep going and keep the txts coming mate your batterys should be here tomorow fingers crossed

[Hog]

That looks sick Scott - alien almost - you been watching the original War of the Worlds for inspiration?

Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh at FORCC soon.

[Rebelrc]

Ive started work again on this car (had to stop due to being ill from carbon dust excessive inhillation....very bad)
the car is now nearly ready to turn its wheels for the first time
motor mount done,servo mount,front and rear clam shells,steering brace all done but sadly i cannot get the images uploaded due to my computer breaking.....windows up the swaney .......so running on linux now so i have no drivers for my camera:eh?:
does any one know of any other cars that have run this cell layout?
or can anyone see any thing that i should expect from this arrangement?
many thanks
P.S that rear clam shell has been altered as i didnt like it its much more pure now none of all that fancy shite:)

[Rebelrc]

Some more recent pics, with the radio gear kinda in and the prop welded also the transmission running the correct way.
hope you like them

[infanterene]

Wow this thing is awesome. How did it end up driving?

[super__dan]

It is indeed very nice, where does the receiver go though?

[GRIFF55]

It could go up front i suppose as the servo looks to be behind the slipper assembly. Long arm link to steering. It is a sexy beast

[Rebelrc]

I have been a bit lazy with it and havent touched it for a while until last night when i finished it at last
all i need to do is wire it and make a shell, so should be running real soon:thumbsup:
thanks for your kind words
i will post some more pics

[Rebelrc]

More recent pics
all screws in correct, steering works a treat, contersunk,:thumbsup:

the car was built for fun by me to try out some new ideas....like using carbon,different cell layout etc

[GSXR1000]

Looks "factory" - first rate :thumbsup:
Now i've come to think of it : you probably had to machine parts to tilt the f/r gearbox and raise the centre drive ?

[nitrokillah]

Hey Rebel .

Is this project don yet ?

Have you had the chance test it ???

Still think this looks Sic as Hell .

[Rebelrc]

Many thanks Nitrokillah
it should be running next week:)

[olefiloux]

So great job Rebel!!!!
But How could you name it "durango!????? Its a real REBEL car!!!!:lol::thumbsup:

One of the best prototypes ever seen....

[littlened]

I'm excited to see the shell for this thing

[Rebelrc]

Yeah sorry the photo's were stored in my Durango folder or something:).....not too good with computers:bored:
Glad you lot like it ,thats very encouraging for me
i took it to faversham last night and it got lots of positive feed back
spur me to make some better things
many thanks

[Rebelrc]

Yes it does look like a production finish...thanks gsxr1000:)
what i need is some manufacturer backing to put some real nice ideas out there...!

[Rebelrc]

Can anyone help? do you know of any other car that has run this layout?

[Garry Driffill]

That is looking great Scott, Do you think Lewis could be talked into helping out? :)

[Rebelrc]

We do our own things....cheers

[Rebelrc]

Wired up and ready for a little blast tonight at faversham
ive not photographed the body as it was a 15 min quicky just to give the car a run to see if its crap or not...lol

[MHeadling]

Best of luck tonight mate! Wish I could be there to see it run but I'm down in Portsmouth on business

[stox217]

how was it?

[Rebelrc]

Shame you were not there Mark it went really well with no hiccups!
Neil Gavin gave me a lot of set up advice and it was all good...cheers Neil, Many thanks!
I just need to put in some more powerfull 40c lipos rather than those 20c ones and it should be even better. I ran the less powerfull ones to bed it and me in gently .:)

[gav4wd]

I have to admit i watched the car all night and passed on what i have learnt with my bmax, all the changes from the bmax to Scotts creation worked i even think it jumped better.
Well done Scott the only thing is i watched it all night gave some advice but did not drive the bugger.:mad::p

[Rebelrc]

Have ago next week Neil:) before i hang it on the wall of wacky creations.... i will be glad of the feedback from an experienced racer like yourself.
Stox it went well i think and complete reliability which is suprising considering how altered it is ...you would expect something to work loose , fall off , or snap.
i must be getting better at creating these odd cars :eh?:

[ace028]

Looks absolutely awesome!!!! I am always amazed at the talent and craftsmanship of you guys on this forum, I hope to someday be as talented!!!

[MHeadling]

I was well impressed with the car last night Scott, it really went well and on its last run Scott got a 21 lapper in, so on the pace and in the A final.

Shame is being parked up ready for Version 2!

[stoff]

wow! :woot:

[Rebelrc]

Thanks Stoff
I am thinking of bringing it out of retirement for a few more races :confused:

[nitrokillah]

sorry for brining this out the retirement-home ; but did you ever make a body for this project ? & have you got any pics to share ? :drool::drool:

[pitwizard]

Only just seen this - amazing.... :drool:

[Rebelrc]

Many thanks
yes i did make a functional shell and painted it straight silver but you dont want to see it...it was crap..
but as you know i can make nice shells but i lost interest rapidly in this project
Thanks for the Kind comments

[Rebelrc]

oh and can i just clear up the fact that the Durango it replaced was the old prototype 2005 model not the new DEX410:thumbsup:
this car was conceived before the production car was released

[till]

hey scott,
could you post some closer shots of the motor and slipper mount and of the mount under the diff housing, please.
Or a drawing of it or something.
Very nice car!!

cheers

[heretic]

£80 per mould is very cheap! if you went to a company like fibre-lyte, they'd be more than double that price + vat:(. hope your latest mould works out for you, i'm looking forward to seeing the finished conversion :thumbsup:


Hello,
could someone point me towards as much info as possible regarding moulds for CF ? I've read the offroadcult article about the piranha p2 but that sure does not seem to cost 80 pounds...

Nice project anyway !

edit : wow I've been a oople member for so long to be able to see the pictures and yet it's just my first post !

[SHY]

Only just seen this! Fantastic craftmanship & thinking outside the box! *big applause*

To me the A-C carbon tub shells are the coolest & most impressive pieces of RC components I've ever seen in my entire life. I just love my S2 and S44!

Yours looks to be of the same standard!

AND - you've thinked outside of the box making that totally "alien/organic" top brace! Never seen anything like that!

Made me think... why not try to mold the whole shell out of thin carbon fibre, and attaching it firmly to the chassis, making it a part of the main construction itself? Then painting some of it, leaving some nude carbon...

Would be like today's top skis and surfboards, where you can see parts of the internal carbon (or wooden) core :thumbsup: PORN!!!

[Rebelrc]

Different photos
glad you ALL! (amazing) liked it:thumbsup:
Thanks for the kind words
I dont do too bad for someone that knows nowt

[MHeadling]

And I have driven it!! It went very well, so easy to drive and balanced in the air.

I look forward to the next creation! ........... ;)

[Rebelrc]

Next Week hopefully....:thumbsup:
Much better than this car....tease lol

[Rebelrc]

Herectic I am happy that one of my cars inspired you to finally post
My moulds were not made of a bit of sawn timber!;)
Cheers

[till]

do you have a closer pic, a sketch or a drawing of the motor mount and the mount under it??

[Rebelrc]

Hello till
What do you want the pics for?
Cheers mate

[till]

i want to do a car like that, i have a BMAx and the possibility to machine my own parts.So why not asking you for help with a part you already constructed!:p

[Candyman]

Good work on this, you took an existing car and made it better, not many modifications in this section do that!

Very impressive fabrication.

[heretic]

Herectic I am happy that one of my cars inspired you to finally post
My moulds were not made of a bit of sawn timber!;)
Cheers

Haha, that's what i assumed. Mind sharing the technique ? What do you use for mould, fiber, resin, etc...

[Rebelrc]

I am working on a dex410 like this car
Should be ready early next week!:thumbsup:

[Rebelrc]

Sorry heretic missed that post.
Sorry I can't answer that question really as I use many methods and am not sold on any of them
Plus I would like to do this on a commercial level and can't give away secrets

But basically buy some resin and some twill , make a mould stick in the twill with the resin and waaalllaaa! Let it set .... Job done
+ carbon and resin is very dangerous to work with !
Sorry I can't help
Cheers

[rednoise]

I am working on a dex410 like this car
Should be ready early next week!:thumbsup:

Can't wait!

[Rebelrc]

Sorry but I have not got the dex done yet as had a rather big total lack of Rc enthusiasm recently:(
But kind of back on it now
Cheers

[Rebelrc]

I have recently been emailed regarding making someone one of these and did say no cause he was going to just shelf queen it ,but then he offered me proper money so I am dusting off the moulds
If anyone else fancies a weird bit of Rc exotica that goes really well :) pm me as my email on here is no longer working lol
Many thanks

[Rebelrc]

Sorry my pm was full
You know who you are lol!

[Rebelrc]

Carbotanium is now an option as have to make one car in carbotanium with all gold (22ct) plated transmission

[MHeadling]

Bloody hell Rebel!

Is it a rich arab buying your car??!!:woot:

[Rebelrc]

Something like that mark!
Not sure if its for real yet
If the money comes then I've got my work cut out trying to bang out another one of these bad boys lol
Especially in my recent position , you know what I mean

[MHeadling]

Ok cool, watch this space then! Post some pics up if it happens.

Get your one ready for action for Maritime! :thumbsup:

[Rebelrc]

I might just do that Mark
It will be fun as per normal racing bonkers cars for a laugh at maritime with no testing at all!
I don't think there's a rule on non production chassis just bodies I think? But we did run those pop bottle bodies on our smr b4s and no scrutineering pick ups
Maybe I fit a b max body to be sure

[nitrokillah]

arrr When ever I see this Rebel ... It make me want to sell all My RCs for one of these ....

[Carlos69]

Carbotanium is now an option as have to make one car in carbotanium with all gold (22ct) plated transmission

Is carbotanium obtainable ? .... want some :drool:

[Rebelrc]

Yes I think I will use titanium woven matting and lay it up with the carbon twill..... Bet it's hard to cut though.... Oh well fire up the petrol stihl saw. Lol:thumbsup:

[Rebelrc]

I like the associated term unobtainium
Meaning the perfect material for the job that doesn't exist lol:)
I think they are anodised titanium

You can anodise titanium yourselves at home safely using a charger/powersupply and sugar soap as the electrolyte
As you increase the current the tit changes colour from reds through golds pinks and blue ( not correct order, forgotten it ) no dyes needed
So something like 20volts you get purple etc

[Rebelrc]

Any one tried the titanium anodising
How did it go?

[paranic]

i did
it went something like this :-)

30852

[Rebelrc]

Many thanks guys for all the debates over the years:thumbsup:
I've loved winning them and loved loosing them equally
But most of all thanks oople for a wonderful forum that is un biased , free, friendly and now invaluable as the main offroad source of info!
Well done jimmy and friends;)
You have certainly kept me entertained on my tea breaks at work
I will never forget topping out a roof in January in the pouring rain sitting on the ridge, soaked, pauseing the workers cause I needed to answer a debate with Roger mills about shock pistons lol:thumbsup: that was ace Roger cheers
If I've ever upset anyone please don't take it to heart it was never with malice
I've met some real nice intresting people through oople.... Some don't even like me but I think your all ace
I think I'm different and do not really have a place here anymore
I'm really sad about it. But it's fact
I was constantly thought of as biased towards vega/Xtreme for obvious reason but truthfully I wasn't ,,, I only stuck up for it cause it was being wronged
Truth is all modern chassis are great , we in offroad have never been so spoilt!
Will still look in occasionally but no more post from me
Yes I will have withdrawal cause I'm an oople addict but it's for the best.
I posted here in this thread cause didn't want to troll
And this thread was my only true success on oople
I'm still going to make crap , and may post images if they are intresting but
no more comments in public forum just pm
Cheers
Scott

[paranic]

hey dont let me believe im some a part of the reason you leave this forum
im new here i have about a year or more that i registered and i just read some posts some time

your car looked great and just wanted to get you know by posting a funny stuff

i was just kidding mate.
keep up the good work

[jkclifford]

The problem is, some people read a thread think about it (sometimes a lot) then post there opinion. Then 2 seconds later they are being called all the names under the sun by some one only out to cause trouble .

you dare to post some information based on mechanical or technical experience, gained by years of manufacturing and machining, or just years of racing and repairing (sometimes on a ridiculously tight budjet) only to get instantly dismissed by someone who can't mesh there motor correctly or even do the wheels up tight.

Top job guys!

[till]

Hey rebel,

my english may not be the best, but i understand enaugh to know that we have a serious problem, one of the gratest car builders wants to leave us behind!
PLEASE DON´T!
Or if you don´t want to post in other forum sections, please keep us updated with your ideas and new cars and please keep on building cars it would be sad to waste this talent.
This is what makes the hobby for me, building own cars. Sadly iIcan´t! :( Thats how I got to this forum, I was looking for more pics of a selfmade car.

Please stay at oople!

[andys]

No !!!!!

I enjoy reading your posts, the ones I've read come across as simply unbiased and well informed. Lots of particular manufacturer 'fan boys' and 'team' drivers post biased opinions on here, personally I like to hear from people in the know, who pay their own way in this hobby.

Keep making cool buggies, whatever you decide :)

[MHeadling]

Come on mate, we all love to see your creations on here! :thumbsup:

I'm lucky enough to have driven a few....:drool:

Keep up the good work and keep that clever mind going with the ideas.....:)

[discostu]

Many thanks guys for all the debates over the years:thumbsup:
I've loved winning them and loved loosing them equally
But most of all thanks oople for a wonderful forum that is un biased , free, friendly and now invaluable as the main offroad source of info!
Well done jimmy and friends;)
You have certainly kept me entertained on my tea breaks at work
I will never forget topping out a roof in January in the pouring rain sitting on the ridge, soaked, pauseing the workers cause I needed to answer a debate with Roger mills about shock pistons lol:thumbsup: that was ace Roger cheers
If I've ever upset anyone please don't take it to heart it was never with malice
I've met some real nice intresting people through oople.... Some don't even like me but I think your all ace
I think I'm different and do not really have a place here anymore
I'm really sad about it. But it's fact
I was constantly thought of as biased towards vega/Xtreme for obvious reason but truthfully I wasn't ,,, I only stuck up for it cause it was being wronged
Truth is all modern chassis are great , we in offroad have never been so spoilt!
Will still look in occasionally but no more post from me
Yes I will have withdrawal cause I'm an oople addict but it's for the best.
I posted here in this thread cause didn't want to troll
And this thread was my only true success on oople
I'm still going to make crap , and may post images if they are intresting but
no more comments in public forum just pm
Cheers
Scott

damn you scott i think a tear has just rolled down my cheek

stu

[jimmy]

Agreed with Andy - your creations are some of the best mate!
Don't take things too serious though and have fun whatever you're up to man.

[MHeadling]

Over 14,000 views on this thread alone mate, you must be doing something right :woot:

Look forward to more pics and new ideas/cars!

[GRIFF55]

Keep building bling and posting us pics at least!:thumbsup:

[frobes2]

I can't wait to replace my current Durango chassis with one of your creations..

Loads of support on here for you mate, you got me back racing.. not sure if that's a positive lol

I still need something to strive for and I could live a number of lifetimes and still be nowhere near your awesome ideas and know how..

The other Scott..

[contrast]

Mate, in my eyes your a legend.... Simples......

[jkclifford]

How many other people on here have built there own cars? And raced it?

maybe the major manufacturers should look at what can be built by 1 man in his shed, then hang their heads in shame, for what they produce and want to charge for it.

[jkclifford]

for a know nowt trouble maker 15000 views with 7 pages not ONE negative comment!

[Skidrow]

Keep going Scott. Creation is life