Lazer zxr

[Welshy40]

Dan,

Sorry mate not been paying attention, didnt have the items you were after.

[rob m]

That would be very much appreciated. I'm in Australia, let me know when you find out the shipping cost, should be fine in a padded bag via post office. Happy to pay for the parts.

Off topic but have you got an Ultima/Optima Centre gear by any chance?not got any optima parts,do you still need the law-4? I have a bnip if you want that aswell? I will get a postage cost for you .

[HKS_TRD]

The LAW-4 would add a nice touch to my shelfer

[HKS_TRD]

Dan,

Sorry mate not been paying attention, didnt have the items you were after.

No problem James.
I've been thinking about the brand new ZX-S shell I have and what I should do with it

[Welshy40]

Mmm well the dragon painted one is a bit special as you know Mark Pavidis painter did that for me but suppose you could do one and change the shell every now and then.

[HKS_TRD]

I was thinking of doing it box art but not sure what box art actually is, plus don't have genuine decals and I used some of the repros on the wing.
I'm with you, the Dragon shell is special but a second shell wouldn't hurt. Either that or another zx-s ...

[HKS_TRD]

I have a used la-56 outer plate and a bnip la-3, pay for the postage and it yours if you want it?
Not sure how much postage would be though

Received parts yesterday, thankyou for your help

[HKS_TRD]

Can anyone confirm which Lazer model has clear gear cover and which has tinted out of the four models below

ZX (I believe tinted?)
ZX-R MKI (Also tinted?)
ZX-R MKII
ZX-RR

Trying to organise all my parts into a box for each project

[Welshy40]

I was thinking of doing it box art but not sure what box art actually is, plus don't have genuine decals and I used some of the repros on the wing.
I'm with you, the Dragon shell is special but a second shell wouldn't hurt. Either that or another zx-s ...

He he, box art is the picture that you see with that red shell, think kamtec use it to sell their repro shells.

[Welshy40]

Can anyone confirm which Lazer model has clear gear cover and which has tinted out of the four models below

ZX (I believe tinted?) Yes
ZX-R MKI (Also tinted?) Yes and No
ZX-R MKII No
ZX-RR No

Trying to organise all my parts into a box for each project

Filled in above, as you know kyosho tend to change items slightly on their batches of kits, so some mk1 cars and think only a few did have the zx cover (mine did).

[HKS_TRD]

Thanks James, I suspected the last two were tinted but wasn't sure. Now that I have NIP LAW-12, Ultimate Shocks, and the ZX-RR wing, along with a genuine shell and decal set I can build a ZX-RR with all NIP parts bar the upper deck.
Have enough bits bar the shell to build a MK1 as well.

Have another question, I see two different versions of ZXR boxart in Kyosho catalogs, some show the rear window painted black and others white. Which applies to which version?

[Welshy40]

Thanks James, I suspected the last two were tinted but wasn't sure. Now that I have NIP LAW-12, Ultimate Shocks, and the ZX-RR wing, along with a genuine shell and decal set I can build a ZX-RR with all NIP parts bar the upper deck.
Have enough bits bar the shell to build a MK1 as well.

Have another question, I see two different versions of ZXR boxart in Kyosho catalogs, some show the rear window painted black and others white. Which applies to which version?

I think box art is the one to copy, black back window also but unsure why the catalogue has a different image. Also just typed in lazer zxr on google and the zxs box art appeared also, red and white shell.

Mate your getting too addicted, branch out and get some other kits. Oh yeah my worlds rc10 will be in Racer sometime this year hopefully.

[HKS_TRD]

I saw a ZXS with white and blue shell and kit decals, was the evo box art different to the regular ZXS?

[isobarik]

Iceland yeah
Lagerbäck yeah yeah

1-2

😝

Mvh isobarik

[Welshy40]

I saw a ZXS with white and blue shell and kit decals, was the evo box art different to the regular ZXS?

I will ask Kyosho Japan and let you know, think so.

[Welshy40]

Iceland yeah
Lagerbäck yeah yeah

1-2

😝

Mvh isobarik

You love rubbing it in, we were crap and your guys played a blinding match, funny how good they were considering some arent pro players like ours which makes this even more special.

[isobarik]

You love rubbing it in, we were crap and your guys played a blinding match, funny how good they were considering some arent pro players like ours which makes this even more special.

Yeah i sure do Lagerbäck was the head coach for Sweden for years and did
A great job , structured and always knowing what plagers he had on the team

Mvh isobarik

[HKS_TRD]

I will ask Kyosho Japan and let you know, think so.

Much appreciated. Speaking of which, is there any way you would be able to get a genuine ZX-S wing painted the same color as the airbrushed shell? The holes on the associated one stretch the mounts a little plus I like the factory wing profile.
Did you ever fun graphics on the wing?
Was thinking something t compliment the dragon colors would be cool.
I need to get some of my projects sorted once and for all.
What shocks did the evo come with and did the works drivers use those?

[Welshy40]

Shocks are easy, some had gold shocks aka zxrr and some had the versions the zx5 three part shocks as they were developed on the zxrr snd zxs prototypes. Team drivers liked both, Ellis won the euros with the proto three part shocks and Masami got beaten by a kyosho driver using a zxs proto with 3 part shocks for the Japan nats title.

Ive no idea how to get hold of the guy that did Pavids shells back then so sorry no idea, but there is bound to be someone who is capable to do it in rc painting. I only ever put Tekin or Kyosho on a clear wing, or on a yokomo nylon pink or white wing.

[HKS_TRD]

Shocks are easy, some had gold shocks aka zxrr and some had the versions the zx5 three part shocks as they were developed on the zxrr snd zxs prototypes. Team drivers liked both, Ellis won the euros with the proto three part shocks and Masami got beaten by a kyosho driver using a zxs proto with 3 part shocks for the Japan nats title.

Ive no idea how to get hold of the guy that did Pavids shells back then so sorry no idea, but there is bound to be someone who is capable to do it in rc painting. I only ever put Tekin or Kyosho on a clear wing, or on a yokomo nylon pink or white wing.

What color were the proto three piece shocks?
So not all evo kits came with the same shocks?

I'm thinking blue shocks would match the rest of the anodised bits.

I think there is a local guy that might be able to do the wing, and the box art paint on the genuine shell once we confirm what that is for the evo.

What is the part number for the genuine wing for the evo, hoping I can find one

[Welshy40]

What color were the proto three piece shocks?
So not all evo kits came with the same shocks?

I'm thinking blue shocks would match the rest of the anodised bits.

I think there is a local guy that might be able to do the wing, and the box art paint on the genuine shell once we confirm what that is for the evo.

What is the part number for the genuine wing for the evo, hoping I can find one

Ellis had a blackish colour, think ive posted his car pictures on here somewhere, my zxs had blue proto versions. Evo had these, and believe a few actually had the option house, the zxs evo did have a few sold to the Japanese market where the buyers could choose certain things. The ZXS first version car used either losi or option house shocks. Wing number may be on the manual on kyosho jp website which is LA123.

[isobarik]

Wales - belgium 2-1

Looking good

Sad for olike 🙂

[oli4ke]

Wales - belgium 2-1

Looking good

Sad for olike ��

:p big f*ck ups in the defence....

[isobarik]

:p big fuck ups in the defence....

Yeah the corner kick was funny the coach upset

The other goal well why leve him

Wow 3-1 feels like its over now

Sad for you oli4ke

[HKS_TRD]

Ellis had a blackish colour, think ive posted his car pictures on here somewhere, my zxs had blue proto versions. Evo had these, and believe a few actually had the option house, the zxs evo did have a few sold to the Japanese market where the buyers could choose certain things. The ZXS first version car used either losi or option house shocks. Wing number may be on the manual on kyosho jp website which is LA123.

Have you got a pic of your blue proto shocks?

[Welshy40]

I think its on here somewhere but think you may have already had from me as well. I will send later on again.

[Welshy40]

Forgot to let you know, zxs red and white shell design was used on both zxs and zxs evo. This has come from my friend Japan hq.

[HKS_TRD]

Forgot to let you know, zxs red and white shell design was used on both zxs and zxs evo. This has come from my friend Japan hq.

OK, thanks for finding out.

[londonladliam]

CAD file of LA-31 anybody? :)

[HKS_TRD]

I know the ZX came with the alloy ot-16 but when it comes to the ZX-R MKI/II & RR which version did they come with, alloy or plastic?

[alcyon]

My twin belt optima mid shows great promise. I tested it last week with 2 packs with rwd only and there was no belt skip. So for sure the belt skipping was caused by the new machined pulley for the long belt. My machinist said i can only get a new pulley end of next week..so i decided to move my new arm design and zx5sp hub to my lazer. I received my new la31 3 weeks ago and this was the one part that kept my lazer out of commision.
So here it is in all its glory.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20160816_224425_zpsbjkvfjom.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20160816_224425_zpsbjkvfjom.jpg.html)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20160816_224442_zpsmlbh6flv.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20160816_224442_zpsmlbh6flv.jpg.html)
I also tested my lazer last week and it was also awesome. Other than the rear ball diff slipping and lost one kingpin of the zx5 knuckle..the car drived really good. This modern zx5sp c hub is a much better design. I bet no more lost kingpins..

[Welshy40]

Looking good :thumbsup:

[HKS_TRD]

I know the ZX came with the alloy ot-16 but when it comes to the ZX-R MKI/II & RR which version did they come with, alloy or plastic?

Anyone?

[isobarik]

Anyone?

what i know of zx alloy the rest plastic

mvh isobarik

[isobarik]

My twin belt optima mid shows great promise. I tested it last week with 2 packs with rwd only and there was no belt skip. So for sure the belt skipping was caused by the new machined pulley for the long belt. My machinist said i can only get a new pulley end of next week..so i decided to move my new arm design and zx5sp hub to my lazer. I received my new la31 3 weeks ago and this was the one part that kept my lazer out of commision.
So here it is in all its glory.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20160816_224425_zpsbjkvfjom.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20160816_224425_zpsbjkvfjom.jpg.html)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20160816_224442_zpsmlbh6flv.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20160816_224442_zpsmlbh6flv.jpg.html)
I also tested my lazer last week and it was also awesome. Other than the rear ball diff slipping and lost one kingpin of the zx5 knuckle..the car drived really good. This modern zx5sp c hub is a much better design. I bet no more lost kingpins..

looks awsome makes me wanna order some stuff ....:D

mvh isobarik

[alcyon]

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See this Iso !

[Welshy40]

Big air, ace

Dan,

Agree with Iso, zx only had the alloy knuckles but I used throughout the 90's as they were stronger.

[HKS_TRD]

Thanks Iso & James
Just needed to know for when I build my shelfers

[Welshy40]

Ok if I get a response saying no ride height rules then im racing the beast at the 1066 Hastings winter whip series starting in October. Ive got to do a rebuild but gone for original rear hubs, revised tub, and all other mods that ive mentioned on here, so see how well i do. Im aiming for the A, and if all goes to plan and no over heating from the motor or esc then highly possible.

[HKS_TRD]

What revisions did you make to the tub?
What made you switch to original rear hubs? I'm still deciding which rear hubs to build mine with

[Welshy40]

I found on grass narrower rear worked well but on high grip carpet the rear end wasnt settled so tried original hubs as per manual and back end was dialed.

Tub has had a fractional change on battery layout, basically identical to the original chassis but added a couple of holes and removed a couple for the rearof the gearbox seeing as i dont use those holes. Also revised top deck and is thicker. Changed lipo holders fractionally by making slightly thicker. Cars getting a full rebuild this month ready for the event.

[alcyon]

has anybody bought oosh's Lazer parts on shapeways, particularly the LA-11 pulley ? is the inner splines correct ?

[Welshy40]

Nope.

[HKS_TRD]

I found on grass narrower rear worked well but on high grip carpet the rear end wasnt settled so tried original hubs as per manual and back end was dialed.

Tub has had a fractional change on battery layout, basically identical to the original chassis but added a couple of holes and removed a couple for the rearof the gearbox seeing as i dont use those holes. Also revised top deck and is thicker. Changed lipo holders fractionally by making slightly thicker. Cars getting a full rebuild this month ready for the event.
I didn't realise the um519-2 hubs made the rear end more narrow than the standard rear hubs.
I might use them on my Ultima ProXL build instead

[Welshy40]

Yup, i did mention it when testing.

Anyway, just worked on my car, rebuilt the diffs and doesnt feel fantastic, however wishbones on the rear are zxr and a fraction of slop on ball joints,none on wishbones. Front zero wishbone slop, zero hub slop, fractional ball joint slop and fractional slop when cars fully bottomed out on front giving fraction toe out, spaced it out on hubs but still fractional but zerobump steer anywhere else so caught outby slop. Drive trainfeels great. Cant wait to race it.

[Welshy40]

Anyone have a front bumper with the lip that protects the chassis as im in need of one, doesnt have to be prestine but does need the curved lip?

[alcyon]

My shapeways store is up..
http://shpws.me/MFRO

[Welshy40]

My shapeways store is up..
http://shpws.me/MFRO

I did see it but at the speed im doing i need the full bumper, plus got an event on 2nd October and Shapeways do take time in getting here. Mines worn out hence why im asking.

[oli4ke]

Hi James,

I found a used OT-93 in my toolbox. Used condition is that ok for you?
I'll ship it out tomorrow! Your address is still the same in Woking?

brgds
Oli

[Welshy40]

Hi James,

I found a used OT-93 in my toolbox. Used condition is that ok for you?
I'll ship it out tomorrow! Your address is still the same in Woking?

brgds
Oli

Oli,

Yes please and yes same address in Woking mate but will pm you it again to be on the safe side, pm me the amount you want and apologies your paypal address again. Thanks.

[oli4ke]

Oli,

Yes please and yes same address in Woking mate but will pm you it again to be on the safe side, pm me the amount you want and apologies your paypal address again. Thanks.

James,

Bumper is on the way to you mate!
No payment required, shipping cost of the bumper won't kill me ;)
Let me know once received.

Brgds
Oli

[alcyon]

Looks like i would have to draw up a OT-93. And mine will be cheaper than the other guy on shapeways. James, could you go into more detail about the rear width? About the stability and feel.

[londonladliam]

really randomly speaking of shapeways.

have any of you looked at https://www.3dhubs.com/

i was looking at getting a gearbox printed on shapeways for my XXX CR2 that i have designed. Shapeways come out more costly and didn't have as many alternate materials.I ended up getting my gear box printed with Graphite SLS (plastic graphite mix...similar to the losi graphite stuff i assumed)

3d hubs has quite a few interesting material that will be stronger than the standard shaepways print...they do a Fiber reinforced nylon which would be great for the bumpers they also do the SLS (selective laser sinterind) with carbon and kevlar.

Thought id share my findings :)

[Welshy40]

really randomly speaking of shapeways.

have any of you looked at https://www.3dhubs.com/

i was looking at getting a gearbox printed on shapeways for my XXX CR2 that i have designed. Shapeways come out more costly and didn't have as many alternate materials.I ended up getting my gear box printed with Graphite SLS (plastic graphite mix...similar to the losi graphite stuff i assumed)

3d hubs has quite a few interesting material that will be stronger than the standard shaepways print...they do a Fiber reinforced nylon which would be great for the bumpers they also do the SLS (selective laser sinterind) with carbon and kevlar.

Thought id share my findings :)

Nice, very interesting. Thanks

[Welshy40]

James,

Bumper is on the way to you mate!
No payment required, shipping cost of the bumper won't kill me ;)
Let me know once received.

Brgds
Oli

Thanks mate, will do

[Welshy40]

Looks like i would have to draw up a OT-93. And mine will be cheaper than the other guy on shapeways. James, could you go into more detail about the rear width? About the stability and feel.

Ok, on grass a narrower rear end makes the car turn in more both at the start and end of corner and makes the car more responsive, as proven years back when I sold my car, i turned up in third round and the organiser knew me so booked me in and did one run which put me into the A. Car felt like i could put it anywhere and it would do it.

However on high grip like carpet it feels out of place and the front has a tendancy to wonder so tried the original hubs and the back end is planted and the front is now working in partnership with the rear, the rear just followes the front.

I do have an agressive setup and like to throw my car into corners flat out and like the car to be pin point accurate without grip roll. I hope this makes sense.

[HKS_TRD]

My next question regarding Lazer differences.
Is the ZX meant to use the FRP battery retainers or the plastic ones from the OTW-9 set.
Do the MKII and RR have two equal length retainers if so what is the part number
Also, which models have the FRP retainers with the square holes and which with the round holes? What is the part number of the posts for the square hole retainers?

Thanks
Dan

[Welshy40]

Dan,

ZX has plastic and my preferred one as it does a better job. Think the rr had the quick release square holes and mk1 had circular. Best check the manuals as ive no idea on part numbers.

[Welshy40]

I know I should know this so apologies, I think i may have asked but forgotten. Im after the diff spring used in the pure ten diffs as ive got some new versions of a spring but am unsure if diff or slipper but the ones I have are longer and the diff springs are slightly shorter so any idea on the part number? Issue I have is the longer spring wont allow me to screw it together.

[Welshy40]

Is it WBD7? Unsure but ordered some and hope its the correct one

[Welshy40]

Piccy of car, am thinking on a way to mount a fan by the endbell to cool it down a bit more

[fil9144]

Piccy of car, am thinking on a way to mount a fan by the endbell to cool it down a bit more

nice :thumbsup:

[HKS_TRD]

This should be the last in my Lazer differences questions series

Did any variants of the Lazer have universal joints in the rear or did they all have dog-bones?

[Welshy40]

I know the ZX, ZXR MK1 & RR that I had did have ujs front & dog bones rear but the ZXS came with ujs all round. I cant guarantee I am correct though but thats how I got mine.

[fil9144]

Piccy of car, am thinking on a way to mount a fan by the endbell to cool it down a bit more

Hi what's shocks and motor plate are you running on yours?

[Welshy40]

Hi what's shocks and motor plate are you running on yours?

Traxxas TRX1 shocks and is a once off motor plate but basically a copy of the ones you see occassionaly on ebay, once off motor mount thats had the top deck mount section raised by 3mm to accomodate lipo saddles and weights under lipo. Hope this makes sense.

[fil9144]

Traxxas TRX1 shocks and is a once off motor plate but basically a copy of the ones you see occassionaly on ebay, once off motor mount thats had the top deck mount section raised by 3mm to accomodate lipo saddles and weights under lipo. Hope this makes sense.

yes cheers managed to get my hands on a kit just waiting for qoute from fibre lyte now :drool:

but i am looking to change the standard shockers although they are very clean

[Welshy40]

Ive another option, i got b4 normal shocks and cut pistons like trx / kyosho and they worked rather well, just not good enough for me as best with them was 2nd in the B at a major carpet event two years ago, it just lacked a little bit more refinement for my style of driving but you should find them ok. After that race went back to the trx1 shocks and went quicker and in my opinion are the best ive ever use but only downside is the shafts are like jelly so cant afford to hit or be hit.

[fil9144]

Ive another option, i got b4 normal shocks and cut pistons like trx / kyosho and they worked rather well, just not good enough for me as best with them was 2nd in the B at a major carpet event two years ago, it just lacked a little bit more refinement for my style of driving but you should find them ok. After that race went back to the trx1 shocks and went quicker and in my opinion are the best ive ever use but only downside is the shafts are like jelly so cant afford to hit or be hit.

have you tried big bores rb6 or small bore rb5?

i have seen somewhere a photo of carbon rear wing holder?

[rob m]

[QUOTE=fil9144;957782]have you tried big bores rb6 or small bore rb5?

Phil, Durango big bore shocks fit on the lazer I put them on a tub zxr I sold last year. I'm sure any will as loads of room around the shock location.
I find the option house shocks work as good as any of others I've tried , the Durango big bores, ae b4 and rb5 small bores .
I have a carbon fibre rear wing mount I got for mine but never got round to using it, are you wanting one ?

[isobarik]

I know I should know this so apologies, I think i may have asked but forgotten. Im after the diff spring used in the pure ten diffs as ive got some new versions of a spring but am unsure if diff or slipper but the ones I have are longer and the diff springs are slightly shorter so any idea on the part number? Issue I have is the longer spring wont allow me to screw it together.

Same nummer for the slipper spring and diff spring

Med vänlig hälsning, isobarik

[Welshy40]

I dont really see any point for me using big bores, as ive got a great setup but as Rob said shouldnt be too hard to fit if its what you want to do.

[fil9144]

[QUOTE=fil9144;957782]have you tried big bores rb6 or small bore rb5?

Phil, Durango big bore shocks fit on the lazer I put them on a tub zxr I sold last year. I'm sure any will as loads of room around the shock location.
I find the option house shocks work as good as any of others I've tried , the Durango big bores, ae b4 and rb5 small bores .
I have a carbon fibre rear wing mount I got for mine but never got round to using it, are you wanting one ?

yes mate thinking of putting one on you want to sell it?

[Welshy40]

Same nummer for the slipper spring and diff spring

Med vänlig hälsning, isobarik

Slipper is fractionally bigger but think ive found a couple, if not will be cutting down to fit

[Welshy40]

Ok, after two or three years of thinking this I finally got around to installing a fan next to the motor endbell. I may have a rethink on my gearbox carbon fibre design later on to see if I can squeeze one into the gearbox itself so blasting air directly at the motor. Wiring sits under the cf centre lipo plate so all neatly done.

[rob m]

[QUOTE=rob m;957795]

yes mate thinking of putting one on you want to sell it? i will let you have a look at it, but they don't seem the best fit to be honest.

[rob m]

Ok, after two or three years of thinking this I finally got around to installing a fan next to the motor endbell. I may have a rethink on my gearbox carbon fibre design later on to see if I can squeeze one into the gearbox itself so blasting air directly at the motor. Wiring sits under the cf centre lipo plate so all neatly done.

Not sure on the size of your fan , or if it will catch the belt. Could you not drill and tap the rear top deck mount and screw it to that?

[Kiwi Kruisa]

HI guys,


Won this one a local auction site here in New Zealand. Needs new OT-16 , LA-30, new body/undertray/wing and battery holders. Good smooth tranny/hyperclutch. Sadly it only had two front Ultimate/equalizers' shocks but I have four gold shocks (rear shown).

Keep or sell?

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Offshore3ft/Kyosho%20Lazer/DSC_0362_zpsdo8epw1l.jpg

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Offshore3ft/Kyosho%20Lazer/DSC_0361_zpsjcl96j33.jpg

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Offshore3ft/Kyosho%20Lazer/DSC_0359_zpsjtkjqz53.jpg

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Offshore3ft/Kyosho%20Lazer/DSC_0363_zps0aq1xowq.jpg

[Welshy40]

Not sure on the size of your fan , or if it will catch the belt. Could you not drill and tap the rear top deck mount and screw it to that?

Fans the 25mm x 25mm. No holes too small on the mount, but as ive got a cf gearbox have a bit more room to play with, just need to see if theres enough to fit behind the motor. Mind you think youve given me, just maybe redesigning the mount by removing the centre struts and narrowing the legs and as you said adding a couple of holes plus designing a mount as well could work and may be able to fit at the top of the mount.

[Welshy40]

Well done. Zxrr but would also advise getting alloy pivot blocks if your going to run it.

HI guys,


Won this one a local auction site here in New Zealand. Needs new OT-16 , LA-30, new body/undertray/wing and battery holders. Good smooth tranny/hyperclutch. Sadly it only had two front Ultimate/equalizers' shocks but I have four gold shocks (rear shown).

Keep or sell?

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Offshore3ft/Kyosho%20Lazer/DSC_0362_zpsdo8epw1l.jpg

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg312/Offshore3ft/Kyosho%20Lazer/DSC_0361_zpsjcl96j33.jpg

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[Welshy40]

Cars ready to go, back up ready should Lazer decide to cause me problems.

[Kiwi Kruisa]

Looks great, will look at getting the Shapeways OTA-16 (NIX) and alloy pivot blocks.

[HKS_TRD]

James, what's the part number of the Ultima rear hubs you were using, I bought a pair of UM519-2 and they don't work, the driveshaft sits too low and too far out

[Welshy40]

Think its SP107, also alloy varient by Kyosho is SPW123 but is expensive and also know another company makes them in alloy but forgotten who. If I said UM519 then apologies :-(

[HKS_TRD]

Think its SP107, also alloy varient by Kyosho is SPW123 but is expensive and also know another company makes them in alloy but forgotten who. If I said UM519 then apologies :-(

Thanks for the info, not sure where I got the original part number from. The SP-107 is cheap enough but postage prices are crazy on eBay do you have a new or mint pair you want to sell, these are for my Ultima ProXL display car which I did a bit more work on Monday night

Also what's the difference between sp-107V and sp-107H?

[Welshy40]

Think ones cf. I will have a look this evening and see.

[HKS_TRD]

Thanks. Alcyon said he will be offering a 3D printed version of the LA-32 front gearbox housing. Maybe you could work with him to design something similar to the alloy one you have using CF side plates and a nylon centre piece

[Welshy40]

Mmm not a bad idea. Tbh the alloy one falls apart and isnt suitable for racing so could be done, possibly would like to be able to remove the diff from the side after taking the tower off but needs to be easy and simple to do. Also needs a couple of bearing holders if using cf plates.

[Welshy40]

Dan,

Sorry mate, been through my stuff and have one on its own as I broke the other plus the alloy versions which I used mainly and from Kenon I think but not much else. I have another place to check out on Thursday so will keep looking.

[HKS_TRD]

Mmm not a bad idea. Tbh the alloy one falls apart and isnt suitable for racing so could be done, possibly would like to be able to remove the diff from the side after taking the tower off but needs to be easy and simple to do. Also needs a couple of bearing holders if using cf plates.

You can use m2 or 2.5 washers with an M2 nut and bolt as bearing holders thats what I used for the gearbox on the first zx-r with your gearbox that I built

[HKS_TRD]

Dan,

Sorry mate, been through my stuff and have one on its own as I broke the other plus the alloy versions which I used mainly and from Kenon I think but not much else. I have another place to check out on Thursday so will keep looking.

No problem see how you go, appreciate you having a look

[Kiwi Kruisa]

HI guys,


Does anyone know where I might be able to get a rear pair of Equalizer shocks for my ZX-RR. Otherwise some medium length golds.


Regards,

[Welshy40]

Ebay, probably listed as kyosho shocks. Also do a search on the part numbers on google as well. Seen a set listed as kyosho 1/10 small bore shock absorbers with spare springs on ebay for £50, used but look ok to me. Buy while you can

[Welshy40]

Guys, under ebay worldwide search type in kyosho lazer zx as youll find a large amount of stuff including several nice cars and a nice mms alloy heatsink motor mount with a few spares for zx & zx sport for about £50 (listed as vintage kyosho lazer zx-r parts lot), which is worth it so whoever is after that motor mount get it while you can.

[HKS_TRD]

Anyone got any good pics of how the stickers should be applied to a ZX-R shell, box art and what comes with the kit seem to differ, was it the same for the MKI/II/RR?

[Welshy40]

Ive no idea, tbh never really payed attention to the box when a kit arrived.why not google the name and see what appears

[Kiwi Kruisa]

HI chaps,



I'm in need of a slipper pad for my Hyperclutch, without it it's useless. Refer item 193.






http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt36/techspeed/zxrrsupplement2.jpg

Thanks

[Kiwi Kruisa]

Opps I think it might be part UM123

[Welshy40]

You could always buy the rc10 b6 slipper pad and cut down if really stuck

[isobarik]

HI chaps,



I'm in need of a slipper pad for my Hyperclutch, without it it's useless. Refer item 193.






http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt36/techspeed/zxrrsupplement2.jpg

Thanks

Buy the slipper pad for the associated rc10 with the old style slipper its an direkt fit i use em , if i remember the partnumber i Will post it here
Med vänlig hälsning, isobarik

[Kiwi Kruisa]

Iso,

Have you got pics?

[isobarik]

Iso,

Have you got pics?

pics of what ??? rc10 pad mounted on the slipper ???

mvh isobarik

[isobarik]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/322321182115?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

mvh isobarik

[Welshy40]

Ok, im back and aim to sort out two designs over the next couple of weeks. Once happy then will be looking at the front gearbox design and will put here for a discussion first before I have a design made up. Im going all out to finish what I started.:lol:

[Welshy40]

Ok update,ive finally finished developing the knuckle arms. Awaiting them to be finalised and getting made and will post pics before and after fitting. Similar to last posts but added strengthening as it wasnt strong enough. Finally done and finally happy with the design.

Now onto the rear gearbox design which think wont take too long considering Ive already designed the correct layout in CF, so now to put the design into the original gearbox casing.

Then onto the one design I am not so keen on, the front gearbox.

[rob m]

What was the knuckle design again?.....did it have a nyloc nut to screw the kingpin into?
Do you have an idea on price? I may be interested as my alloy ones are stripped again.


Are you still racing your lazer?

[Welshy40]

What was the knuckle design again?.....did it have a nyloc nut to screw the kingpin into?
Do you have an idea on price? I may be interested as my alloy ones are stripped again.


Are you still racing your lazer?

Rob,

Yes still racing it every now and then. Once the knuckles have come in will post pics and yes nuts within so king pin goes through a nyloc nut to prevent losening when hitting full throttle as thats when it vibrates. Cost wise not too much but alloy may be a bit but still a work in progress

[alcyon]

I have already drawn up and printed a lazer front gearbox. Just have not tested yet.

[HKS_TRD]

pics are required!

[isobarik]

I have already drawn up and printed a lazer front gearbox. Just have not tested yet.

nice can we have a peak at it ....

mvh isobarik

[alcyon]

Jessus, i forgot to post pic ! Will do it tonight, Dan send me a facebook reminder !

[alcyon]

It fits the chassis and gearbox well, diff bearing tolerance is perfect. The gear box has been improved by adding material. Right now there are few errors.
1. The pinch roller space internally isnt big enough, i will fix it.
2. The outer nub that is for pinch roller clearance is too big causing the shock tower to interfere with gearbox, This sample can still be used by grinding that area. Again i will fix this.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20170217_212450_zpsjrk6hvze.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20170217_212450_zpsjrk6hvze.jpg.html)
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Best of all my selling price is much lower than oosh123 ones on shapeways, and you can buy the halves separately. For 1st purchase you need buy 2 halves because each half is not compatible with the originals.

[Welshy40]

Nice, my design idea is going in a totally different direction. The bushing on the top of the front gearbox isnt efficient so why not just remove that lump and make it all the same from left to right. Its a really good design as I can see you have added more strength. I cant see the top deck properly, but have you added a lip behind the back section so there isnt a gap between casing and top deck.

[HKS_TRD]

Looking good. I agree with James about doing away with the front roller and bump, both my vintage nylon front halves don't have that. If also means you can have a stronger front shock tower as the cutout is no longer required.
Once the gearbox design is locked in a custom front shock tower and upper deck that are a very tight fit would be the icing on the cake

[alcyon]

Welshy the lip near the upper deck is to add extra material so that the tower is held in to the back by 4 screws not 2.
Dan, yes i can do that a gb without the roller. I will create another version but i will also offer the "original" version (with roller). I will upload on shapeways by sunday.

[Welshy40]

Welshy the lip near the upper deck is to add extra material so that the tower is held in to the back by 4 screws not 2.
Dan, yes i can do that a gb without the roller. I will create another version but i will also offer the "original" version (with roller). I will upload on shapeways by sunday.

Ok, now im confused. Standard gearbox has four holes and as we know someone has strengthend the gearbox by adding a brace on either side and is fitted via the back via the top deck screws and also attaches to the top gearbox holes which gives much more strength so would guess your design is doing just that but is all amalgamated into the mold. Really nice design.

[HKS_TRD]

nice
pity shapeways has such expensive postage

[Welshy40]

nice
pity shapeways has such expensive postage

Yup, thats a pain but I suppose buying in bulk is a cheaper option.

[alcyon]

Ok here it is
https://www.shapeways.com/product/SF65EQ3SF/la-32-f-m
the rear half will be the same. So you have an option to buy the front half. The one without roller and one with. The link above is for non roller type. You would be advised to draw up new towers without the cuts.
Wait for shapeways promos which could be as high as 20%. That would basically cut postage.

[isobarik]

thats a good design having the lip on back and front half of the gearbox so its bolted together with 4 screws.
should beef it up alot.

mvh isobarik

[alcyon]

So welshy you want to try the gearbox ?
Now how are we going to solve the problem of the pulleys stripping, especially the rear pulley ?

[isobarik]

So welshy you want to try the gearbox ?
Now how are we going to solve the problem of the pulleys stripping, especially the rear pulley ?

alu or an peek pulley ....

mvh isobarik

[alcyon]

alu or an peek pulley ....

mvh isobarik

Not as easy as that, i want to get rid of those little splines which makes making the layshaft expensive and leaving the pulleys weak, a good choice would be optima mid style pin pulleys.

[Welshy40]

So welshy you want to try the gearbox ?
Now how are we going to solve the problem of the pulleys stripping, especially the rear pulley ?

Silly question, yes and does look really good.

I have stripped protos made of weaker material but think having them made out of alloy would make a difference plus lengthening the inner spindles so its a stronger clamp onto the spindled section on the layshaft, as thats the weakest link in the drive train. I know tensioning correctly on the L brace and inside the gearbox results in minimising damages and works on my cf gearbox really well so would like to adapt my design into a 3d print of the standard gearbox for all to buy and feel confortable at putting in faster motors. But they do need to buy your layshaft to use the b4 slipper clutch as well. Ive got a cut out version in front of me now so dimensions arent too hard for one trnsioner to be added but may need a slight bulge on the gearbox.

[Welshy40]

alu or an peek pulley ....

mvh isobarik

Yes im in agreement, as mentioned above think extending the splines as well may aid it a bit.

[HKS_TRD]

Thanks cor your efforts Alcyon, I already have towers without the bump as I have two vintage front gearbox halves in nylon without the bump.
Would it be possible to make the gearbox case in alloy?
Maybe we could send one to Pargu to copy

[rob m]

Ok, now im confused. Standard gearbox has four holes and as we know someone has strengthend the gearbox by adding a brace on either side and is fitted via the back via the top deck screws and also attaches to the top gearbox holes which gives much more strength so would guess your design is doing just that but is all amalgamated into the mold. Really nice design.
Is this what you remember James?
I've had it like this for 3 years now and still on origional gearbox casing . It's had a few bad knocks aswell!
if this could be added into the design it would be spot on, adds load of strengthening.

[alcyon]

Is this what you remember James?
I've had it like this for 3 years now and still on original gearbox casing . It's had a few bad knocks aswell!
if this could be added into the design it would be spot on, adds load of strengthening.

Ahh indeed this is clever but i find it a bit dangerous when disassembling. We may forget to slide the upper deck sidewards and could damage those upper supports.
Dan,
Shapeways also offers printing in alloy materials but the price isn't cheap and i have not worked out the tolerances yet. I spent a lot of time and money to adjust the bearing tolerances before I got it right. Its not as simple as putting a 14mm hole for a 14mm bearing. I had to compensate for shrinkage and those shapeways people didn't know squat about this.

Welshy, i will send you this gearbox for you to test. I will check my old email for your address, I think no change of address ?
If you have whatsapp we could stay in touch quicker. Right now we have a huge worldwide whatsapp group and Alex T.H and Dan Rowlands is in it.

I have used 3D printed gearboxes on my Optima Mid and it took punishments well. I did crack a few rear GB earlier on, but I thickened and reinforced my designs and so far holding up.
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[isobarik]

Is this what you remember James?
I've had it like this for 3 years now and still on origional gearbox casing . It's had a few bad knocks aswell!
if this could be added into the design it would be spot on, adds load of strengthening.

Yeah thats a good upgrade have seen those in different materials and they always work

Mvh isobarik

[isobarik]

Not as easy as that, i want to get rid of those little splines which makes making the layshaft expensive and leaving the pulleys weak, a good choice would be optima mid style pin pulleys.

So rama the anser would be that you have to make an

B4slipperlayshaftwithpinnedpulleysfor the lazer zxr :woot:

Mvh isobarik

[alcyon]

So rama the anser would be that you have to make an

B4slipperlayshaftwithpinnedpulleysfor the lazer zxr :woot:

Mvh isobariknaah i am gonna try one piece double pulleys.
The side near to spur will have full length splines, because it is possible to do so here on the layshaft.
As for the one way end, the splines must be shorter but i have lengthened the splines just a tiny bit.
There is also a 4,5mm thick guide in between to take up the gasp left by removal of thrust bearing.
I am however unsure of the pulley spline size and accurate shape so i guess this will have to be done a few prints before getting right.
Another idea i have is to make this pulley 1 tooth bigger, 15tooth, it should fit well as the belts are a tad loose anyway.

[Welshy40]

Is this what you remember James?
I've had it like this for 3 years now and still on origional gearbox casing . It's had a few bad knocks aswell!
if this could be added into the design it would be spot on, adds load of strengthening.

Yes, thats it. Simple yet very effective.

[Welshy40]

So rama the anser would be that you have to make an

B4slipperlayshaftwithpinnedpulleysfor the lazer zxr :woot:

Mvh isobarik

Mmm dont think its going to be that easy as its harder to balance. Easier to do the pulley separately or as per Ramas optima design make a pulley with the same design so it bolts to the layshaft for the rear pulley only.

[Welshy40]

naah i am gonna try one piece double pulleys.
The side near to spur will have full length splines, because it is possible to do so here on the layshaft.
As for the one way end, the splines must be shorter but i have lengthened the splines just a tiny bit.
There is also a 4,5mm thick guide in between to take up the gasp left by removal of thrust bearing.
I am however unsure of the pulley spline size and accurate shape so i guess this will have to be done a few prints before getting right.
Another idea i have is to make this pulley 1 tooth bigger, 15tooth, it should fit well as the belts are a tad loose anyway.

For the people who dont use oneways then yes its a good idea but dont forget the thrust bearing isnt flush so may find you will need to make fractionally wider.

As you know im a one way fan so do like your idea on adding a tooth, yes for nicads it didnt work but with brushless it should make it better especially down the straight. It should take fractional torque away giving more control, possibly may suit the dirt surface racers as well due to this.

Your rear gear box looks stunning. I would like to add a lower tensioner like my runner but is on the edge of the underside so a little bulge will come through so will do some measurements when I get some more time and let you know.

The address is the correct one if you still have it but will pm you it again. I will eventually get onto whats app but will do hopefully within a month or so when I get a new phone.

[alcyon]

Actually looking at the layshaft and one way, I think we can make two different pulleys, one for one way (shorter spline), and one for rear belt (longest spline). Externally they will be the same. I think this will solve the issue too, because I only damaged my rear pulleys anyway.

[Welshy40]

Actually looking at the layshaft and one way, I think we can make two different pulleys, one for one way (shorter spline), and one for rear belt (longest spline). Externally they will be the same. I think this will solve the issue too, because I only damaged my rear pulleys anyway.

Yes, same here.

[Suzukitudor]

One piece for all 4wd will be stronger as the load will be spread between the two pulleys.

My tuppence worth.

[alcyon]

One piece for all 4wd will be stronger as the load will be spread between the two pulleys.

My tuppence worth.

Welcome back Alex !. I will offer both choices ok ?

https://www.shapeways.com/product/WY3M3DJWQ/la-11-r
https://www.shapeways.com/product/S3GDDM7FH/la-11-f
https://www.shapeways.com/product/WNJSAGHJL/la-11-tw

Tomorrow, I will work on the 15 tooth pulleys.

[Suzukitudor]

I like the sound of 15 tooth...... Looking forward to destroying a pulley in the interests of testing. Well I dont actually want to.

Thinking of adding thread lock help take some of the load off the splines with the surface area of the inserts.

[alcyon]

15 tooth done.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/7PSJJ2VCH/la-11-r-t15?optionId=62015351&li=user-profile

https://www.shapeways.com/product/BSXMYRKT2/la-11-f-15t?optionId=62015401&li=user-profile

[Welshy40]

Very nice, so just out of curiosity how much would it cost in alloy?

[alcyon]

Very nice, so just out of curiosity how much would it cost in alloy?
About $23.

[HKS_TRD]

Ahh indeed this is clever but i find it a bit dangerous when disassembling. We may forget to slide the upper deck sidewards and could damage those upper supports.
Dan,
Shapeways also offers printing in alloy materials but the price isn't cheap and i have not worked out the tolerances yet. I spent a lot of time and money to adjust the bearing tolerances before I got it right. Its not as simple as putting a 14mm hole for a 14mm bearing. I had to compensate for shrinkage and those shapeways people didn't know squat about this.

Welshy, i will send you this gearbox for you to test. I will check my old email for your address, I think no change of address ?
If you have whatsapp we could stay in touch quicker. Right now we have a huge worldwide whatsapp group and Alex T.H and Dan Rowlands is in it.

I have used 3D printed gearboxes on my Optima Mid and it took punishments well. I did crack a few rear GB earlier on, but I thickened and reinforced my designs and so far holding up.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/IMG-20170209-WA0021_zpslpscceuz.jpeg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/IMG-20170209-WA0021_zpslpscceuz.jpeg.html)
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Is there anyone that could CNC the front gearbox in alloy?

[Welshy40]

About $23.

Ok, now thats value and think when I get paid may have some spare just for those.

[rob m]

Is there anyone that could CNC the front gearbox in alloy? you have been wanting an alloy front gearbox for so long now. Do you want it to look the same as origional? That would be a lot of set up and machining time on a cnc millling machine , if you remember i looked into ut myself a couple of years ago but my boss wouldn't let me make any on the cnc's at work as it would take to much time and with me not having any issues with my gearbox I never wrote the program's to machine it. Im guessing an alloy one can be made on a 3d printer but im not sure how the tolerances are withh these as ive never seen an alloy printed part, just plastic parts.

[fil9144]

you have been wanting an alloy front gearbox for so long now. Do you want it to look the same as origional? That would be a lot of set up and machining time on a cnc millling machine , if you remember i looked into ut myself a couple of years ago but my boss wouldn't let me make any on the cnc's at work as it would take to much time and with me not having any issues with my gearbox I never wrote the program's to machine it. Im guessing an alloy one can be made on a 3d printer but im not sure how the tolerances are withh these as ive never seen an alloy printed part, just plastic parts.

Issue is alloy 3D print silly money at the moment still

[Welshy40]

It would be cheaper if you did the left and right sides and not the very back or front section out of alloy. My race car in 90's was cut away so just the left and right and think I only managed to break one in ten years so would be cheaper if you could do that.

[HKS_TRD]

Is there any merit in a gearbox design with CF side plates and a 3D printed main body

[Welshy40]

Problem is the zxs design tried to do something but it was weak and couldnt take a beating whereas the zx/zxr gearbox is beyond the normal and is far stronger than most cars including the YZ10.

I think just cutting the rear middle section away and making it alloy would be suffient.

[isobarik]

Is there any merit in a gearbox design with CF side plates and a 3D printed main body

something like the one oosh123 made alu and carbon sides

would like to get hold on him and order one since when he offered those i didnt had the foundings.....

i have always been thinking flanged bearings and alusides machined just bolted with the fourscrews on the bottom and ears for the shocktower attachement...

like the one skidrow made for his lazer but more original like .................without the topcover for the belt of course

mvh isobarik

[HKS_TRD]

something like the one oosh123 made alu and carbon sides

would like to get hold on him and order one since when he offered those i didnt had the foundings.....

i have always been thinking flanged bearings and alusides machined just bolted with the fourscrews on the bottom and ears for the shocktower attachement...

like the one skidrow made for his lazer but more original like .................without the topcover for the belt of course

mvh isobarik

I thought Oosh passed away in a car accident. I regret not buying the front gearbox toi

[Welshy40]

I thought Oosh passed away in a car accident. I regret not buying the front gearbox toi

The front gearbox didnt work with flanged bearings as the diff binded and wasnt any freedom hence why i redesigned the cf plates and based it around the zxs rear gearbox design as that worked better, however there was flex with the metal housing and due to that caused the screws to losen which was a headache to maintain as it took a lot of time. For display purposes its great but to run not great. However ive still got the bits and maybe i can this year after ive dealt with the rear gearbox come up with a simpler design using 3d printed as that way you can get it made from alloy as well.

[HKS_TRD]

I have to confess the main reason I want one in alloy is because I am a sucker for carbon fibre and blue anodised alloy.
Functionally nylon is probably better as you can have more of an interference fit with the bearings and the small amount of flex helps absorb vibrations plus the threads lock better

[rob m]

Im after some info on the springs. Does anybody know the spring rates in lb's of the black ,silver and gold springs ?

[alcyon]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/IMG-20170307-WA0010_zpsut4uvpjv.jpeg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/IMG-20170307-WA0010_zpsut4uvpjv.jpeg.html)
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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20170308_215515_zpswtqjrfto.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20170308_215515_zpswtqjrfto.jpg.html)
As i said earlier, these arms push the shocks back by 2mm.

[isobarik]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/IMG-20170307-WA0010_zpsut4uvpjv.jpeg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/IMG-20170307-WA0010_zpsut4uvpjv.jpeg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/IMG-20170308-WA0022_zpsx3z8aazv.jpeg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/IMG-20170308-WA0022_zpsx3z8aazv.jpeg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20170308_215515_zpswtqjrfto.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20170308_215515_zpswtqjrfto.jpg.html)
As i said earlier, these arms push the shocks back by 2mm.

looks awsome how much ????

mvh isobarik

[alcyon]

looks awsome how much ????

mvh isobarik
U$25 shipped, this is indeed unbreakable, i have tested fronts out of this material cast nylon and indeed no breakage. I will test the whole carwith this arms in Australia this saturday.

[Retro RC]

Very nice what were the set up costs like, I'd love to get some front arms made for my cougar 2's

[Welshy40]

I have to confess the main reason I want one in alloy is because I am a sucker for carbon fibre and blue anodised alloy.
Functionally nylon is probably better as you can have more of an interference fit with the bearings and the small amount of flex helps absorb vibrations plus the threads lock better

Dan,

I think ive given you that bug with my zxs, its like a drug......

[Welshy40]

Im after some info on the springs. Does anybody know the spring rates in lb's of the black ,silver and gold springs ?

Im unsure but know spring rate charts exist on oople

[Welshy40]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/IMG-20170307-WA0010_zpsut4uvpjv.jpeg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/IMG-20170307-WA0010_zpsut4uvpjv.jpeg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/IMG-20170308-WA0022_zpsx3z8aazv.jpeg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/IMG-20170308-WA0022_zpsx3z8aazv.jpeg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20170308_215515_zpswtqjrfto.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20170308_215515_zpswtqjrfto.jpg.html)
As i said earlier, these arms push the shocks back by 2mm.

Mate this is staggeringly stunning, yes i see its perfect for big bore shocks now and strength looks like it will be up to the job.

[Welshy40]

Ok hubs just arrived so will first see if the nut holes are correct, as ive a funny felling that the size isnt but will update when I get a chance to fit. Ok plastic versions are perfect but the alloy isnt so does need changing as the nuts dont fit.

[alcyon]

Very nice what were the set up costs like, I'd love to get some front arms made for my cougar 2's

I have also made front arms for lazer. If you want for the cougar i will need a sample.

[rob m]

Im unsure but know spring rate charts exist on oople
I've dropped them off at a spring manufacture for them to get measure of weights for me , so should be ok.

Not sure if it would be of any interest to anyone but whilst looking for spring rates I stumbled on a company called extra speed who are now making replicas of the option house gold shocks for approx 25USD. Think they are for the 2016 optima so I'm guessing the fronts would be small size not medium for the zxr???

[Welshy40]

It fits the chassis and gearbox well, diff bearing tolerance is perfect. The gear box has been improved by adding material. Right now there are few errors.
1. The pinch roller space internally isnt big enough, i will fix it.
2. The outer nub that is for pinch roller clearance is too big causing the shock tower to interfere with gearbox, This sample can still be used by grinding that area. Again i will fix this.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20170217_212450_zpsjrk6hvze.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20170217_212450_zpsjrk6hvze.jpg.html)
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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20170217_211335_zpsunplbfwi.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20170217_211335_zpsunplbfwi.jpg.html)
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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/20170217_210330_zpsp87jw3m4.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/20170217_210330_zpsp87jw3m4.jpg.html)
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Best of all my selling price is much lower than oosh123 ones on shapeways, and you can buy the halves separately. For 1st purchase you need buy 2 halves because each half is not compatible with the originals.

Well it arrived and it fits together really well. Rama has redesigned it really well. Its slightly different due to what he has done but you really need to look at it hard to notice the slight changes that have been done. You will need to make sure no washers are used between bearings on the out drives but this is just the build, really looking forward to test.

[Welshy40]

Better pics of the redesigned knuckles.

[rob m]

Better pics of the redesigned knuckles.

Look spot on them :thumbsup: any idea on price?

[Welshy40]

Look spot on them :thumbsup: any idea on price?

About £7, only issue ive got is you need to glue the slim nuts in first and possibly adding a thin layer of something on one of the flat sides to make a perfect fit so maybe a thick glue may be more preferred as the nuts do move and thats when youll get problems but other than that spot on and the weak points have been addressed and now think it will be fine.

[isobarik]

Welsh i have a design job for ya....:thumbsup:

mvh isobarik

[Welshy40]

Ok knowing you how bad ass of a design is it :p

[isobarik]

First since i have s shocks i would like to have the zxr james instone front shockmont 2 for short shocks ,do you get what i mean ???
since its so much easier to get the rb5/zx5 shocks cheap.

And the zxs 2 degree bracket with like 3 degrees instead of 2

just add the difference between the 1,5 and the 2 degree brackets 2 times and we should have 3 :woot:

i think.

mvh isobarik

[Welshy40]

First since i have s shocks i would like to have the zxr james instone front shockmont 2 for short shocks ,do you get what i mean ???
since its so much easier to get the rb5/zx5 shocks cheap.

And the zxs 2 degree bracket with like 3 degrees instead of 2

just add the difference between the 1,5 and the 2 degree brackets 2 times and we should have 3 :woot:

i think.

mvh isobarik

Yes you make sense, will investigate the tower, but the pivot block i designed for your zxr i think i may have lost the design but will get hold of it somehow. Shouldnt be too hard :p

[DanB4]

I always loved the Carbon ZXR Tub chassis that FibreLyte designed and made - great work by them. Had 1 but stupidly sold it so will have to make do with my Yokomo 94 tub. :)

[Welshy40]

I always loved the Carbon ZXR Tub chassis that FibreLyte designed and made - great work by them. Had 1 but stupidly sold it so will have to make do with my Yokomo 94 tub. :)

I designed the tub and fibrelyte sold it on plus to other companies. The original and never sold version Ive managed to get again and is in two pieces, but aim to get it made again as that won me a lot of events. You can still buy them :thumbsup:

[isobarik]

Welsh just have the measures from the zxs bracket and you wll be fine and on the bottom of the bracket there is an opening that has to be widened to make it fit the zxr.


mvh isobarik

[Welshy40]

Welsh just have the measures from the zxs bracket and you wll be fine and on the bottom of the bracket there is an opening that has to be widened to make it fit the zxr.


mvh isobarik

I thought i did a few designs for you so must be somewhere. Im guessing the tracks bumpy.

[Welshy40]

First since i have s shocks i would like to have the zxr james instone front shockmont 2 for short shocks ,do you get what i mean ???
since its so much easier to get the rb5/zx5 shocks cheap.

And the zxs 2 degree bracket with like 3 degrees instead of 2

just add the difference between the 1,5 and the 2 degree brackets 2 times and we should have 3 :woot:

i think.

mvh isobarik

Ok found the tower design, car went incredibly well even though wasnt mentioned in the write up on my car which I own again on tamiya.com and Hai Chu who won the Kyosho nitro tc cup sprayed me that design on that shell.

Still Iso what do you estimate the mm distance I need to lower the holes by?

Also found the pivot block front plate, just need to find time to do this, hopefully by this weekend.

[Limecat]

I designed the tub and fibrelyte sold it on plus to other companies. The original and never sold version Ive managed to get again and is in two pieces, but aim to get it made again as that won me a lot of events. You can still buy them :thumbsup:

I swear it was still on the Fibrelyte website about a year ago but it's not on there now?

[Welshy40]

I swear it was still on the Fibrelyte website about a year ago but it's not on there now?

It was on their facebook page, but they still have my mould so can still make it to request. Im having a couple made in three or four months time.

[Welshy40]

ISO, is this ok? Ive based it on the single hole on the circular tower I use as that single hole works for the smaller shocks so think I have this spot on however have had to do away with the inner big hole.

[isobarik]

ISO, is this ok? Ive based it on the single hole on the circular tower I use as that single hole works for the smaller shocks so think I have this spot on however have had to do away with the inner big hole.

awsome couldnt be better :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

mvh isobarik

[Welshy40]

awsome couldnt be better :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

mvh isobarik

Great, well cad drawings waiting for you and now onto the pivot block :woot:

[alcyon]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x87/alcyon2sp/IMG-20170323-WA0013_zpsupgzswyh.jpeg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/alcyon2sp/media/IMG-20170323-WA0013_zpsupgzswyh.jpeg.html)

[isobarik]

have you tried them yet ???

mvh isobarik

[Welshy40]

Nice, in a few months im getting the alloy ones.

Iso, pmme your email address again, i cant find it anywhere and want to send you both cad drawings this weekend.

[isobarik]

Nice, in a few months im getting the alloy ones.

Iso, pmme your email address again, i cant find it anywhere and want to send you both cad drawings this weekend.

im on it.....

mvh iso

[alcyon]

have you tried them yet ???

mvh isobarik

15 tooth is out of the question It caused the belts to bind. The 14 tooth ones are very smooth. I will do a test run this weekend.

[Welshy40]

Ok, cars been prepared and am unsure on diffs as I didnt rebuild them but intend to give it a good test within the next two weeks. Just waiting on shapeways to send my bits to add to test several items at once. The gearbox made by Alcyon is a superb design and the diff fits in perfectly. Ive gone back to my original shock layout using tamiya manual speed control copper centre posts instead of the kyosho / traxxas shock holdrs as it gives more freedom to the shocks and works for my style of driving so hope this is also whats been missing as cars not doing all I know its capable of doing. Still car looks stunning with this gearbox so know it should do well. I will update shortly on the test.

[alcyon]

After the failure of the twin belt system in my optima mid, I have removed my components from the Mid and transferred them to the lazer. I will be doing extensive high load tests on the lazer printed pulleys by running the lazer on road with bald off road tyres and lowering the suspension. That was how i destroyed the short belt in my optima mid twin belt conversion. Will report back results next week. Also my 3D printed LA-31 has been improved by making it thicker.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/BTB5V5E25/la31-tower

[Welshy40]

ISO, is this ok? Ive based it on the single hole on the circular tower I use as that single hole works for the smaller shocks so think I have this spot on however have had to do away with the inner big hole.

Iso, pm me if ive done it wrong.

[alcyon]

Glad to report that the 3D printed 14tooh pulleys are a succesz. I tested 2 packs on road which gave very high loads to the motor belt and pulleys and they held up great. I have a push test video here.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/optimaseries/permalink/1172822196178457/

[Welshy40]

Glad to report that the 3D printed 14tooh pulleys are a succesz. I tested 2 packs on road which gave very high loads to the motor belt and pulleys and they held up great. I have a push test video here.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/optimaseries/permalink/1172822196178457/

Ok, well metal gears im up for buying and testing in a month or so but still got issues with Shapeways alloy prints so just received my knuckles for the third time and still its not correct but will persist until they get it correct, then when done will need someone to help me with a 3d design of the rear gearbox so I can add a design to it and then Im almost done. :thumbsup:

[alcyon]

Ok, well metal gears im up for buying and testing in a month or so but still got issues with Shapeways alloy prints so just received my knuckles for the third time and still its not correct but will persist until they get it correct, then when done will need someone to help me with a 3d design of the rear gearbox so I can add a design to it and then Im almost done. :thumbsup:

Then you can sit back and enjoy life ?:D

[Welshy40]

Then you can sit back and enjoy life ?:D

Try to, ive been meaning to do these designs over the last 15 years and now the technology is at the level required to fulfil my ideas. The knuckles are my best design by far, some may disagree but something so simple and small adding the m3 nut into it without it causing weak points was quite tough to get right but not bad in six months for me. Rear gearbox id like a tensioner section added like on my cf gearbox where ive one sitting underneath as having a standard gearbox i can change a belt in five minutes flat but in my cf design takes about twenty five minutes. Then as ive promised once they are done maybe i might for fun design a cf front gearbox thats simple to take apart as the last one looked stunning but vibrated itself apart plus was a pain to take the diff out so want a quick release diff design. Then slippers on, a nice cup of tea and maybe a few lap dancers and relax.....:lol:

[rob m]

Have a look at my rear belt tensionor design in the thread named 'lazer zxr tub runner'. May give you some ideas on what you would want to do. It's been faultless, and its also adjustable.

[Welshy40]

Yup will do, thanks, ive got an idea but dont want complex in the design however by adding more than one tensioner point in my design would mean once the belts got to the stretch point for more tensioning you can remove the tensioner and screw into the next point. I think three screw points should do it. Im on the fence for the top tensioner as i dont need it but see both sides so could add a section for that should it be required.

[Welshy40]

Update on my knuckles. Third version still not up to standard so they need to revise the bearing holes as they dont just slot in and will need a lot of dremelling to get right and the nut holes arent right either as the only way to get use is by reversing the nuts which you could use but still not up to my standards so hopefully they will get it right fourth time. Also havent tested but think its going to be in between the original Kyosho platic and the cast metal versions in strength. I really am now getting happier that this is almost over, more so than my chassis which is a bit bewildering but feel this design is up there considering the knuckles have cost me a major event here and there.

[Welshy40]

Ok been tinkering a tad and moved wires, so now going under the centralchassis lipo brace through the hole I designed and to make it look better covered wires with black wrap around plastic. Also advice was given and thanks to my sponser have added Sworks 2wd shocks all round with their springs so now to test and see how it goes. Looks nice though.

[Welshy40]

Slightly better pics

[Rs fruitbat]

Looking good James, it would be nice to sees some footage of it going around a track :thumbsup:

[Retro RC]

Looking good James, it would be nice to sees some footage of it going around a track :thumbsup:

It's far to pretty for that :D

[xfactor]

Looks awesome with and without the body. Great job........:thumbsup:

[Welshy40]

It's far to pretty for that :D

Hehe you should see the somersaults it does at speed. Its tough but looks good. Thanks.

[Welshy40]

Looking good James, it would be nice to sees some footage of it going around a track :thumbsup:

See if I can persuade someone to film it for me once ive found a decent setup with these shocks

[Welshy40]

Looks awesome with and without the body. Great job........:thumbsup:

Cheers, not much changed in the lastfew years, just figured it was time to tidy the wires a bit

[HKS_TRD]

Does anyone have a LAW-22 ZX-S rear shock tower by any chance?
Its the only genuine CF piece I am missing for my ZX-S

[Welshy40]

Looking good James, it would be nice to sees some footage of it going around a track :thumbsup:

Well I might be doing a regional on 25th so will see if I can get someone to video it. Cars had big bores fitted so needs to be set up all over again DOH!!!

[Welshy40]

It's far to pretty for that :D

Its is but you have a reason not to crash very often.

[Welshy40]

Looks awesome with and without the body. Great job........:thumbsup:

Thanks, still tweaking it but once I find the right material for the knuckles I can focus on finishing the rear gearbox design which I started in 92/93. Then it will be the front gearbox design.

[Welshy40]

Guys, anyone using big bore shocks and if so any idea on a set up. I just need an idea to start from. Cheers.

[Welshy40]

Ok,ive managed to buy not only a pretty mint Lazer ZX but also a pack of Sanwa 1400sc, 1700sce,1700scr and an esc which Ive only heard about but never seen one in person and a motor which is one of the hardest to get shark attack. The motor means more to me as I got so many drives from this but was a great motor, shame they didnt really make the name last as they had great potential, I beat a few worlds qualifiers with this brand.

Ive now got a ZX, a ZXR, a ZXRR, ZXRS and when finished to my standards a ZXTC which is in the distant future.

[HKS_TRD]

Ok,ive managed to buy not only a pretty mint Lazer ZX but also a pack of Sanwa 1400sc, 1700sce,1700scr and an esc which Ive only heard about but never seen one in person and a motor which is one of the hardest to get shark attack. The motor means more to me as I got so many drives from this but was a great motor, shame they didnt really make the name last as they had great potential, I beat a few worlds qualifiers with this brand.

Ive now got a ZX, a ZXR, a ZXRR, ZXRS and when finished to my standards a ZXTC which is in the distant future.

In for pics :-)

[isobarik]

In for pics :-)

Yeah with out piga its just brag 😆

[Welshy40]

When it arrives i will. I will also show my work in progress cars as well.

[isobarik]

Just wanted to inform those who are in need for unicranck 39655
Can use the la-361 instead same mild just black instead .

Mvh isobarik

[Welshy40]

Iso, have you tried it as it does look slightly different.

[isobarik]

Iso, have you tried it as it does look slightly different.

What is different then with it ??? Zoom in on it and you will se the 39655 number http://m.ebay.com/itm/Plasticos-direccion-Kyosho-Lazer-ZX6-ZX6-6-LA361-/192066256226?hash=item2cb80a7d62%3Ag%3AFxIAAOSwnHZ YZ4Mv&_trkparms=pageci%253Ad8d2f3aa-5879-11e7-b734-74dbd18053f3%257Cparentrq%253Ad7a605c415c0ab4dc33d 9d66fffec762%257Ciid%253A12

Mvh iso

[Welshy40]

What is different then with it ??? Zoom in on it and you will se the 39655 number http://m.ebay.com/itm/Plasticos-direccion-Kyosho-Lazer-ZX6-ZX6-6-LA361-/192066256226?hash=item2cb80a7d62%3Ag%3AFxIAAOSwnHZ YZ4Mv&_trkparms=pageci%253Ad8d2f3aa-5879-11e7-b734-74dbd18053f3%257Cparentrq%253Ad7a605c415c0ab4dc33d 9d66fffec762%257Ciid%253A12

Mvh iso

I noticed the servo arm section is designed diffrrently, looks like the inner hole rather than both inner & outer. Still Im getting one never the less, looks good and nice find.

[HKS_TRD]

Does the buggy that is for have the same diameter steering shaft?

[Welshy40]

Looks like it does

[Welshy40]

In for pics :-)

First up my tc, ok halfway thru but looking good at the moment. Chassis is a three piece (the one i managed to snqp when doing over 45mph when i hit the ceiling steel bars.

[Welshy40]

Second up will be my vintage runner for vintage events. Hyper clutch slipper, mms front gearbox casing, alloy rear top deck mount, finned motor plate, alloy pivot blocks. Ok top deck will be made with steering pole holes as this chassis flexes too much. Lipo trays im having a think on. Fitting the front diff and belt now.

[Welshy40]

Oops forgot piccy

[TurboLag]

First up my tc, ok halfway thru but looking good at the moment. Chassis is a three piece (the one i managed to snqp when doing over 45mph when i hit the ceiling steel bars.


You were doing 45mph + on the ceiling... That is impressive :p

[Welshy40]

You were doing 45mph + on the ceiling... That is impressive :p

Interferance when hitting a wall ramp but yes was impressive

[Welshy40]

Ok guys, Im having a pair of knuckle arms made out of Onyx with carbon fibre dust and kevlar as well so anyonegot any thoughts on this as I am sceptical as I know from past experience with the CF wishbones for the lazer were actually weaker than the kevlar reinforced so using both does have me a bit puzzled.

[fidspeed]

Hi vintage lazer fans
thought id add these picked up the pair recently
no im not responsible for savaging tub chassis I wondered if its repairable or worth it
im sure james will be able to assist
regards dave and mitch

[Welshy40]

Dave,

Nice, i see the floating servo top deck has been used. Chassis was cut by someone who didnt realise there was another option open to them for making the chassis flex without damaging the chassis, its useable at competition level but would make sure its filed correctly and super glued to stop bits coming off. I think also the original owner used stick packs as well so quite useful sghould you feel the need for that option.

Good cars, need a good clean and a bit of tlc but good buys.

[isobarik]

Hi vintage lazer fans
thought id add these picked up the pair recently
no im not responsible for savaging tub chassis I wondered if its repairable or worth it
im sure james will be able to assist
regards dave and mitch

Looking good Nice find

Mvh isobarik

[RalfM]

Hi,
after some years with other activitys, I have reactivated
my Lazer. Now I want to buy some tuning-parts. I am looking
for rear hubs, made of alloy. Would this one fit to the Lazer ZX-R?
KYOSHO SPW 123

Thank you for answering.

Regards
Ralf

[isobarik]

Hi,
after some years with other activitys, I have reactivated
my Lazer. Now I want to buy some tuning-parts. I am looking
for rear hubs, made of alloy. Would this one fit to the Lazer ZX-R?
KYOSHO SPW 123

Thank you for answering.

Regards
Ralf

Yeah they Will fit and look awsome too

Med vänlig hälsning, isobarik

[gainsy]

Ok been tinkering a tad and moved wires, so now going under the centralchassis lipo brace through the hole I designed and to make it look better covered wires with black wrap around plastic. Also advice was given and thanks to my sponser have added Sworks 2wd shocks all round with their springs so now to test and see how it goes. Looks nice though.

James that has to be one of the most stunning looking cars i have seen :drool::drool::drool: Top work
Just acquired myself a few Kyosho's as i fancied a change from my normal Schumachers, got a rere tomahawk, optima mid custom & i have a zx-r on it's way to me, was wondering if you guys could tell me which version i have? these are the best pics i have until the car arrives on friday
Any advice would be most appreciated as my Kyosho knowledge is very limited :confused:

[DerbyDan]

Hi vintage lazer fans
thought id add these picked up the pair recently
no im not responsible for savaging tub chassis I wondered if its repairable or worth it
im sure james will be able to assist
regards dave and mitch

:drool: Wow - love the tub car especially!.... Personally I don't think there's anything you can do to fix the tub chassis - just send it to me & i'll dispose of it in an environmentally friendly manner ;)

Both cars have some very nice bits on them :thumbsup:

[fidspeed]

Cheers dan
you should see the pit box we got too ! Ill upload some pics soon

[Welshy40]

James that has to be one of the most stunning looking cars i have seen :drool::drool::drool: Top work
Just acquired myself a few Kyosho's as i fancied a change from my normal Schumachers, got a rere tomahawk, optima mid custom & i have a zx-r on it's way to me, was wondering if you guys could tell me which version i have? these are the best pics i have until the car arrives on friday
Any advice would be most appreciated as my Kyosho knowledge is very limited :confused:

Thanks for the nice comments, still some improving to be done but getting there.

Ok your car looks like a zxr mk1, but cant tell as i cant see the slipper but the wishbones are RPM and the front towers fibrelyte, top deck is an upgrade via another supplier but names eluding me. Chassis looks similar to one of my narrower designs with a few extra holes but looks very good.

[gainsy]

Thanks for the nice comments, still some improving to be done but getting there.

Ok your car looks like a zxr mk1, but cant tell as i cant see the slipper but the wishbones are RPM and the front towers fibrelyte, top deck is an upgrade via another supplier but names eluding me. Chassis looks similar to one of my narrower designs with a few extra holes but looks very good.

Thanks for the info :thumbsup:
Going to get this race ready asap so i best get reading through this thread :) any well known weak points?

[Welshy40]

Thanks for the info :thumbsup:
Going to get this race ready asap so i best get reading through this thread :) any well known weak points?

Ok, a few pointers that work for me and I do like a well balanced car with a lot of steering. Ive bought B4 servo mounts and added the spacer on either side which pushed the servo more in wards but like the servo in the rear hole so its further back on the chassis and use a kimbrough servo saver (not the small one). Ive added blue pure ten steering and a zx steering plate as this does stop bump steer. Loner ujs on the front with the inner holes to widen the front end. Pivot block behind motor should be as per manual but very rear one reverse so you get kick up on the rear wishbones. Thats a start anyway.

Fibrelyte have all on file to peruse and see the motor plate I added in their designs is on your car

[gainsy]

Cheers for the tips

I got this to put in the mid but if it will work in the zxr then i will stick it in there as that car will get way more use

[Welshy40]

Cheers for the tips

I got this to put in the mid but if it will work in the zxr then i will stick it in there as that car will get way more use

Ok i use a mid one on my car like that but have since 1990, my question is how good a driver are you (I think you may be very good) as I only ask you could snap the chassis, top deck and damage the front gearbox if you crash. I prefer a loose belt with brushed but brushless does need my L brace design with front belt tensioner design in it but would recomend using the standard steering posts for strength and standard steering if not going for the pure ten. Mind you if it fits onto the zxr steering posts use and space out the posts.

Also my top deck is 5mm thick as well as my tower so I can use the mid posts. Times have changed and even this car breaks now.

[gainsy]

Will probably run it brushless if possible, i run 10.5t in most of my vintage stuff & find it is more than fast enough, i do have a tekin fx esc & a nice orion 11x3 that needs a new home so i am open to brushed as well
Driving wise i don't crash too often these days as learnt long ago fast is not always the fastest way to a good time ;)
Noticed your towers were 5mm thick, i was thinking of going 4mm at least so will go with 5mm
Where would i acquire the L brace design with front belt tensioner?

[Welshy40]

Will probably run it brushless if possible, i run 10.5t in most of my vintage stuff & find it is more than fast enough, i do have a tekin fx esc & a nice orion 11x3 that needs a new home so i am open to brushed as well
Driving wise i don't crash too often these days as learnt long ago fast is not always the fastest way to a good time ;)

Ok well that good so two options, put the entire mid steering in poles as well, downsides prone to breakage. Other option make it fit the zxr poles, upside is you keep the strength and less prone to damage. Brushless 10.5 should be fine. Fibrelyte do all and you just mention they made it for James they will find it. Just in case you werent aware they made me the very first cf tub chassis for this car and were the only makers of it, plus is available if you ever want one. I earn nothing from it and own the mold but want all to enjoy it as much as I did and still do.

[fidspeed]

Cheers dan
you should see the pit box we got too ! Ill upload some pics soon

[gainsy]

The tub chassis interests me greatly :) that's one question i now don't need to ask :) good of you to have the mould made again, if you want to pm me prices etc that's cool
Just taken delivery of this shapeways bumper for my mid build, will do the same on the lazer i think as well, thanks to Rama for doing the hard work

[alcyon]

The tub chassis interests me greatly :) that's one question i now don't need to ask :) good of you to have the mould made again, if you want to pm me prices etc that's cool
Just taken delivery of this shapeways bumper for my mid build, will do the same on the lazer i think as well, thanks to Rama for doing the hard work

Thanks for your support. I have also ordered a DAN B4 and Kyosho bumper but out of a new experimental plastic material from shapeways. Hopefully the new material is stronger and cheaper.

[Welshy40]

The tub chassis interests me greatly :) that's one question i now don't need to ask :) good of you to have the mould made again, if you want to pm me prices etc that's cool
Just taken delivery of this shapeways bumper for my mid build, will do the same on the lazer i think as well, thanks to Rama for doing the hard work

I think its roughly around the £120 mark, it sounds a lot but its hand made and does take a lot of time to make. Also you need to decide on what chassis design you want cut out, like the zx or zxr mk1, mk2 or rr chassis designs or maybe your own ideas thrown in. I based my latest one on the zx chassis like the very first as I found the mk2 and rr had moved the weight further back and found the car wasnt as well balanced as the zx chassis so never used the mk2 chassis in 90's due to that. Thats my own opinion of couse and you may prefer the opposite of what I like.

[gainsy]

I think its roughly around the £120 mark, it sounds a lot but its hand made and does take a lot of time to make. Also you need to decide on what chassis design you want cut out, like the zx or zxr mk1, mk2 or rr chassis designs or maybe your own ideas thrown in. I based my latest one on the zx chassis like the very first as I found the mk2 and rr had moved the weight further back and found the car wasnt as well balanced as the zx chassis so never used the mk2 chassis in 90's due to that. Thats my own opinion of couse and you may prefer the opposite of what I like.

The price is fine James, i know a lot of work goes into producing them so price must reflect their skills :)
I prefer the zx design as well so will probably go with what you have as well, will give it a bit of thought & let you know my final decision, can order & pay at the end of the month, am building this car primarily for next years revival so no rush on manufacture time

Going to stick to my original idea & put the alloy steering in the mid so i will get the blue ones for the lazer, are they the ones from Factory Works?

[Welshy40]

The price is fine James, i know a lot of work goes into producing them so price must reflect their skills :)
I prefer the zx design as well so will probably go with what you have as well, will give it a bit of thought & let you know my final decision, can order & pay at the end of the month, am building this car primarily for next years revival so no rush on manufacture time

Going to stick to my original idea & put the alloy steering in the mid so i will get the blue ones for the lazer, are they the ones from Factory Works?

Kyosho 39655 is the item but think iso updated us all on a black part number in the last few pages and may be cheaper.

[isobarik]

James that has to be one of the most stunning looking cars i have seen :drool::drool::drool: Top work
Just acquired myself a few Kyosho's as i fancied a change from my normal Schumachers, got a rere tomahawk, optima mid custom & i have a zx-r on it's way to me, was wondering if you guys could tell me which version i have? these are the best pics i have until the car arrives on friday
Any advice would be most appreciated as my Kyosho knowledge is very limited :confused:

looks awsome but hard to tell since it has beenmodified to the max
top deck different and bottom chassi is also different the only original parts left besides the gearboxes are the rear tower from the zxr

looks awsome.

mvh isobarik

[gainsy]

Kyosho 39655 is the item but think iso updated us all on a black part number in the last few pages and may be cheaper.

Many thanks, is the black version exactly the same as the blue ones?

[Welshy40]

Many thanks, is the black version exactly the same as the blue ones?

Iso thinks so but i havent needed to buy one to try.