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jimmy
22-11-2005, 03:38 PM
X10 review to come soon, it seems to be a car that people love or hate so should be an interesting one.

I've already formed a few opinions that I hope might get changed on the build up and test.

professionalracing
23-11-2005, 11:21 PM
Hi Jimmy. Now remember please keep an open mind when you tackle the Predator review, as with so many things in life nothing is ever perfect and our unqualified expectations coupled with miss information can sometimes hide things that are really good, now I am not just saying this because we, that is professional racing are running a Predator it the fact that we are still running a Predator, get my point. Anyway if you need any factual information give me a call.

jimmy
23-11-2005, 11:42 PM
No worries peter, I was on a downer about it on sunday but stripping it down ive seen a lot of good stuff and some not quite so good, but i'll certainly be fair.
Just waiting on a couple of things at the moment, some new o rings and could do with getting that bearing you mentioned while im at it, to include that as your guest tip! :P what was the size again ?

Richard likes the site and has promised to answer some questions i've given him about the car.

Bathy
24-11-2005, 03:10 PM
One thing I’d like to know Jimmy is why so many people suffer from stripping gears with this car, let us know if your car suffers from this issue.

Are there really so many people out there who are unable to mesh the gears properly or is it a car design error which is causing problems?

jimmy
24-11-2005, 03:29 PM
Talking to people like peter moss (pro racing) and others, there seems to be a few small design errors, none of which from my understanding cant be overcome.
The main problem is, from what I've learnt, the shaft/spur moving away from the motor under (can be greatly reduced with an extra ballrace), and the spur material and tooth profile.
Ive not built or raced mine yet but thats what Ive been shown and seen for myself.
Most cars have a bearing support, and/or some way of tieing the centre shaft to the motor mount so the mesh cant alter..
The pred shaft is only supported at each end in the gearbox with 1 bearing.

Northy
27-11-2005, 01:22 PM
Jimmy, if you need any help (or parts) just give me a shout!

Cheers,

G

andys
28-11-2005, 02:00 PM
Now then Jimmy, about this review.

I agree with Peter, you need to remain impartial. I sort of wish I had bought mine rather than cancelling it at the last minute, but then again I'm glad I got the ZX5 instead as it's brilliant.... and I could have 2 for the price of the Pred.

So with that in mind, I would suggest you review it based on the experiences of the average Pred purchaser, i'm aware you got your 2nd hand so you probably haven't parted with as much cash as most Pred owners will have done, this has a huge bearing on an opinion of a car (in my opinion !)

So for the purpose of the review, put yourself in Mr averages shoes and take the angle that :

a: You waited around half a year (or more...) for the car after paying your initial deposit
b: You paid out around £400 for the car and the spares pack, the most expensive off raod car available !
c: You stripped the spur on your first run and couldn't get a spare for a while
d: It's got a few obvious flaws in the basic design that a new Pred owner wouldn't know how to overcome without help.

Still be impartial, but bear these things in mind. Don't get me wrong, i love the car and I still want one, just not sure personally that I would be able to get along with it from what i've seen so far considering the cost of the kit.

PaulRotheram
28-11-2005, 03:22 PM
Guys, i think jimmy is more than capable of producing a great review for the x10, as he did for the zx5.......

Anonymous
28-11-2005, 04:14 PM
I'm also sure that jimmy will produce a great review. I was just pointing out that the car should be reviewed not from jimmy's perspective of 'his' 2nd hand car, or from other people experiences, but from that of a 1st time purchaser who has paid top dollar for the kit. To that end I will be interetsed to see if jimmy decides to tackle the question of value for money and relaiability ?

DCM
29-11-2005, 12:03 AM
Would also be interesting to see where the 'modifications' have gone to and some detailed pics, shame he doesn't have a P8 to compare to....

Northy
29-11-2005, 06:56 PM
I could lend him one if he wanted....

DCM
29-11-2005, 09:59 PM
Could be an interesting concept, as we all know that the P8 had some, erm, directional strength ares (I am trying to be nice about it, lol), to show how TTech have gone about improving to remove them flaws.

and then a good THRASH TEST!!!

Northy
30-11-2005, 07:44 AM
To be perfectly honest my P8 has been supper reliable and I was still racing it upto getting the X10! :D

Southwell
01-12-2005, 09:03 AM
One thing I’d like to know Jimmy is why so many people suffer from stripping gears with this car, let us know if your car suffers from this issue.

Are there really so many people out there who are unable to mesh the gears properly or is it a car design error which is causing problems?

In my experience when i ran an ETQ it was the crown wheel and pinion not being shimmed properly, many people shimmed them with 1 or 2 washers, well i was using 5-6, never stripped any after i did this and after 5 mins run in the car still ran perfectly free :D (as per info i was given by mick cragg a number of years ago)

jimmy
12-12-2005, 10:06 AM
just waiting on a gearbox top being replaced at the moment which was leading, i guess, to the rockers colliding.

jimmy
18-12-2005, 05:18 PM
I was up till 5am building the car so i could take it to bury metro today so i was gonna race it rain or shine... unfortunately it was rain..
The car fell apart twice due to either poor prep or dodgy components, I did put quicker laps in than with my zx5 but to be honest it did have brand new greens on.
Wasnt expecting much but the car handled very well and took the bury bumps and jumps very well indeed. I didnt get the setup right but it was "ok", off the line in the final it definately looked to have an advantage in acceleration over the 2 XX4's that out qualified me.

i was, impressed-ish.

Oscar
20-12-2005, 11:59 AM
I should hope you did have more acceleration, I was running a 13x1 on cells which are over 2 years old :shock:

jimmy
20-12-2005, 12:25 PM
shame it broke.. it felt reet good in that final, for those first 3 corners. :lol:

strobe
24-12-2005, 04:27 PM
T/Tech have updated some of the key areas of concern on the X10. In the new year T/Tech will also have different rate springs and ceramic/Stainless Bearings available.
The Steel steering link is a must as well as the Pinion Gear Collars and the Motor Mount Disk.

jimmy
24-12-2005, 06:47 PM
I tried to mention some of this stuff in the review, the bearing mod that Peter Hulme Moss showed me is better than the collars that TTech have on offer.

The review is now LIVE so ave a look, spent bloooody ages on it, possibly went a bit over the top.. but there ya go, i dont do stuff by halves.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/reviewx10/index.html

OldTimer
24-12-2005, 09:43 PM
Top review jimmy, and you can tell that you put in a lot of time and effort by the quality of the review. A balanced review pointing out the plus and negative points of the car which i am sure will helpout people.

Look forward to more reviews in the new year and hopefully get a slim4 to you when its sorted.

jimmy
24-12-2005, 10:31 PM
That'd be awesome fella, look forward to it..

Aye did put a heck of a lot of work into this one, wish the weather had been better but its winter and cant be avoided really. Still, it was a good laugh to do..

Oscar
24-12-2005, 10:40 PM
Just finished reading the review, I would say its a fair and balanced view.
I was thinking how can any one put up with all the niggles this car has, and then I remembered the huge amount of changes I have made to the XXX4 (and it still dislikes bumpy tracks) . This perhaps offers a degree of perspective, as you will no doubt have issues of one sort or another with any new car.

strobe
25-12-2005, 07:41 AM
10/10 for the review Jimmy. Are you going to use the car next year or are you going to use something else?

DCM
25-12-2005, 11:38 PM
Jim, cracking review, not the one TTech would of liked, but then you weren't don't a Radio Race Car review were ya... good on you...

The biggest dissapointment, on reading the review, after ALL the delays and the 'extensive testing' and MORE delays on redisgns, they still FUDGED it and STILL had fundamental problems which the original car had. If I had stumped up a deposit and waited impatiently I would of been most annoyed to having a half cocked product.

I know we could all say, well it is only a small company etc.... but today, when you can buy the ZX5 which don't realy NEED anything and the Bj4, can we REALY be expected to turn a blind eye??? Thats like buying a Rover and accepting it self destructs, but it IS British.

strobe
26-12-2005, 07:02 PM
Jimmy. What size is the extra bearing for the rear gear pinion.

andys
26-12-2005, 08:02 PM
Blimey.

Great work Jim, hope you get back what you paid now it's being broken properly a few times :lol:

That wobbly gear issue looks like a right nightmare. Well done Peter for sorting that one out.

What i'd like to know as a potential purchaser, is when TTech have addressed these areas in future kits ?

I'd like to be sure that if I got a kit for this years outdoors that it had the areas Jimmy picked up on ironed out.

Northy
26-12-2005, 08:19 PM
Who added the extra bearing first? :?:

andys
26-12-2005, 08:26 PM
Oh dear, have I patted the wrong mans back ! :(

jimmy
26-12-2005, 09:54 PM
Sorry northy, i thought It was peters idea, I assume the bearing size peter uses was his addition ? I know you are using a bigger flanged bearing which needes a little fitting ? I didnt realise it was your idea, my fault. I'll ammend the review, sorry bout that but im not perfect!
:D

thanks again norty btw, there was no chance of me doing the review witout your help, no gearbox, no review.. I got the one from TTech AFTER the review was done.

DCM
26-12-2005, 10:00 PM
Good to see TTech's product support is as good as always....

Northy
27-12-2005, 09:42 AM
No worries Jimmy, the bearing I've fitted is 4mm thick and has sheilds, the one Peter fitted is 3mm thick and has no sheilds. I think this will be a mistake when we get racing outdoors as a lot of dirt can find its way in there. This will require more maintainance IMHO and who wants that?

The 4mm bearing required me to trim the chassis a little (it is just a plain bearing BTW not flanged) but this was a 30 second job. Jim Dixon has fitted the same bearing as me with no problems.

I already had it fitted when Isshy started stripping spur gears for England, and told Peter. At first he seemed a bit dismissive about it, but the next week it was the best thing since Pot Noodles! :o :o

Just thought I'd tell you the facts as I remember them. No offence taken at all. All I want to see is everyones Preds as reliable as possible, and if any needs any help or advice just send me a message or come and see me at a race meeting, I'll be the one wearing something stupid!!!! :shock: :shock:

Oscar
27-12-2005, 09:50 AM
As well as driving something stupid :?: :?:
Only joking Graham :D :D

Northy
27-12-2005, 05:19 PM
The bearing required is 6x12x3 or 4mm (unflanged) depending which one you go for. They're easily available, I got mine from a guy on Ebay for £1.50 posted. Let me know if you want his contact details...

strobe
27-12-2005, 05:47 PM
Northy you have a pm

professionalracing
27-12-2005, 06:01 PM
Now then what’s all this about! I didn’t realise owning a predator was all about one up-man ship and yes Northy you did tell me about the bearing you had fitted, you also mentioned the need to Dremel away some part of the gearbox and apply some epoxy which I felt a bit extreme for anyone to have to do to a new car costing £380 plus to try to resolve a problem that should not be there in the first place but with your years of experience running predators and probably a wealth of team parts and direct line to the design team I thought is seemed expectable in your case. I managed to track down a bearing that would do the job without any surgery on the gearbox but this did come at I price of no seals but as we were running indoors that was not a real concern to me at the time anything to prevent spurs striping and keeping Ishy happy was my motivation.

Now where did this “Who added the extra bearing first?” came from is beyond me. I have better things to do than going round saying it was my idea and in Jimmy’s review I don’t think he even suggests such a thing Quote “One fix to the problem was shown to me by Peter Moss of Professional Racing, basically peter has added an extra bearing to his team cars right next to the rear bearing.”

Northy, in your last paragraph you say “Just thought I'd tell you the facts as I remember them.” What point are you trying to make here!

Northy
27-12-2005, 08:01 PM
Wooo, lets stop this before it begins.

Everything was meant tongue in cheek, but its hard to type a tone of voice, sorry. Should have used more smiles :D :D :D

Maybe a little hangover didn't help. :cry: :cry:

No offence meant, and I hope none taken? :?:

Only thing I'd like to add is "probably a wealth of team parts and direct line to the design team" this is not true, I wish it was :( :( :(

Can we play nice again now? :D :D :D :D <- Smiles

professionalracing
27-12-2005, 09:25 PM
Yes by all means we can play nice again now? :D :D :D

Northy
28-12-2005, 09:54 AM
Glad that's sorted :D :D :D