IFMAR stageII report - 10th off road Worlds.

[jimmy]

IFMAR have a stage II report for the upcoming 1/10th off road World Championships to be held in Pretoria, South Africa.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/news/sastage2.jpg

Stage 2 report is here: http://www.ifmar.org/pdf/stage%20reports/EP%20Off%20Road%20Stage2%20Report.pdf

Spec tyre information for the event : http://www.ifmar.org/pdf/stage%20reports/tire_letter_dallas.pdf

General information on Pretoria for visitors and racers: http://www.ifmar.org/pdf/stage%20reports/PRETORIA%20BROCHURE.pdf

Registered drivers list: World Championships drivers list
(http://www.trap.co.za/offroadep/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12:registerd-drivers&catid=1:news&Itemid=9)
(Wish people wouldn't use capitals and spaces in urls!)

[peetbee]

I may be missing this, but couldn't see Lipos on the homologation lists, seems a bit strange??

[Darren Boyle]

From what I understand LIPO is not allowed at the worlds this year which is another reason why many are not attending I guess.......

[stegger]

Your right fella no lipo's, hense why there dosn't appear to be much interest in the worlds this year or are there other reasons ? :confused:

[peetbee]

Oh good, I'm not going mad then, thanks guys!
Does seem very strange though, if EFRA and ROAR have legalised them then you'd have thought IFMAR would have kept up.
I've been wondering about the lack of interest too.

[Lee]

I think people are more scared of dieing, and i don't mean because of nimhs exploding :lol:

Pretoria is one of the worlds most dangerous cities.

It ranks along side sunderland and bilbao :woot:

[DCM]

South Africa isn't known to be the safest of places, either, that may have another reason, as I am sure, the big teams would field international drivers, lipo or not.

[stegger]

South Africa isn't known to be the safest of places, either, that may have another reason, as I am sure, the big teams would field international drivers, lipo or not.

How was it in 2002 ?

[Lee]

People did get mugged just as they came out of the airport :thumbdown:

Another thing i found out was if this years worlds was void (cancelled) it goes back to the same place next time :lol:

[stegger]

People did get mugged just as they came out of the airport :thumbdown:

Another thing i found out was if this years worlds was void (cancelled) it goes back to the same place next time :lol:

Yeh that's what happened when it should have been held in 2001

[Lee]

Yeh that's what happened when it should have been held in 2001

When will they learn :lol:

I dont think they will get more than 30 people. Kecky could go and get a better result at the worlds than he did at a club night :thumbsup:

[stegger]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Alfonzo]

I've spent lots of time in South Africa over the years. I've felt more threatened in some British cities TBH. I've certainly had some interesting moments in Manchester :thumbdown:

It's a shame more people aren't looking to go to SA, 'cause it's proper ace. At least, that's what the SA Tourism Board asked me to say :thumbsup:

Jokes apart - the place rocks.

[bigred5765]

But did you get robbed between the airport and the car hire place at gun point,and lose all your racing gear,

[MikePimlott]

Ive worked in Durban, and i was told buy the guide who took me to my job if i walked down the wrong street my testicles would be in a soup.

[Nehpets]

There are a few Australians over in SA for a 1/8 offroad race and they're loving it over there, they went over and checked out the worlds venue and cant understand why people aren't going for safety reasons...



From RC Tech (http://www.rctech.net/forum/australian-racing/321795-aussies-african-cup.html)

...A great weekend was had and we also had some time to look at where the 1/10 electric and 1/5th worlds would be held. The venue has two offroad tracks and an onroad facility! After racing here again it still amazes me why IFMAR and American manufactures are "scared" to race here....it is just like racing in Australia..

[jimmy]

Those who choose not to go for whatever reason will have to sit back and watch a pair of new World Champions be crowned. I think the SA guys will put on a great championships and I can't wait to see some racing - some big names missing or not.

[Alfonzo]

But did you get robbed between the airport and the car hire place at gun point,and lose all your racing gear,

In Manchester? No, it was at knifepoint.

Nahh, only kidding of course. I know SA has crime problems in certain areas, but by and large it's an amazing country.

[Fabs]

I think this venue is a TRAP :p

No wonder people aren't willing to go :lol:

[Mielie]

It is always easy to make dumb comments about a country if you haven't visited it yourself. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

The British & Irish Lions toured South Africa a few months ago. I was at the test at Loftus that is in Pretoria, not to far from the venue for the Worlds. There were more B & I Lions supporters than South Africans, and there were now incidents!!!! I think more than a 100 000 supporters made the trip to SA and all had a wonderfull time. :thumbsup:

We are looking forward to welcoming the drivers that will make the trip and I can guarantee you they will have wonderfull memories to take back to their countries.

[bbq]

This world is just bad for 1:10 buggy.
With big names not showing up its just bad PR for
the class. It gives à fealing that 1:10 is not that important

no good

[mark christopher]

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?t=h&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF8&ll=-25.714066,28.268375&spn=0.003678,0.004801&z=18

[Belsten]

Im surprised its still going ahead bearing in mind how few entries there are

[jimmy]

Do they usually publish a drivers list by now?

[Belsten]

It would certainly be interesting reading if there is one

[Foppa]

Registerd Drivers

http://www.trap.co.za/offroadep/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12:registerd-drivers&catid=1:news&Itemid=9

[jimmy]

Awesome, some really good drivers there. :thumbsup:

[peetbee]

Registerd Drivers

http://www.trap.co.za/offroadep/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12:registerd-drivers&catid=1:news&Itemid=9


24!!!:o Is that it??

That's scary low.

[Oscar]

Among other relatives, my Aunt and Uncle have lived in SA for over 40 years, and I think its more a case of altering your attitude to keep youself safe. Its a very beautiful country, but like anywhere it has its problems.
If you go there and continue to walk around in the same way as at home, you are more likely to become a target. Things such as if someone steps out in the road in front of your car here, you step on the brakes, over there I am advised you should step on the accelerator:wtf:
I guess anyone making the trip and taking sensible precautions will be just fine;)

[janus_77]

Registerd Drivers

http://www.trap.co.za/offroadep/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12:registerd-drivers&catid=1:news&Itemid=9

My guess: Jörn for both 2wd and 4wd :D

[savageracer1]

Thats very low:woot:, theres only one good driver there Hayato Matuzaki

[stegger]

24!!!:o Is that it??

That's scary low.

That has got to change soon, hopefully

[jimmy]

Naoto MatSukura is a warrior as well, and Jorn is a past Euro Champ.

[Alfonzo]

NO British drivers?? WTF? Get it together ladies :lol:

[stegger]

Thats very low:woot:, theres only one good driver there Hayato Matuzaki

Disagree fella, Cyrille Baldini finished 18th 2wd and 21st 4wd, Jörn Neumann 7th 2wd and 9th 4wd at the recent euro's ;)

[bbq]

Looks like yokomo will have a title this year =)
i put my money on a B4 and a B-Max to win the worlds

[jimmy]

Looks that way - the way I look at it is if you don't go, you can't complain.

I feared this would be some sort of club meeting - but I'd travel half way round the world to attend a club meeting with the level of drivers here :thumbsup:

[Lee]

It probably wont alter much either, people value their lives, i have been a few times and its a beautiful place but it is dangerous, its not great if you feel you cant behave as you do at home. I don't like going to countries where i fear for my life constantly, it sort of detracts from the scenery :lol:

My money is on Jarb Ratananrat to make the top 30, he is a god amongst the rats, he is so good they named him twice!!

[jimmy]

Lee who regularly flies to Afghanistan and gets escorted home in a bag by Mi5 agents.

[Alfonzo]

Fear for your life constantly? Jeezzz, where abouts in SA were you hanging out? Differrent bit to me, that's for sure :lol:

[Lee]

Cape town, Jo'burg wasn't much better.

Jimmy that was a secret (ish) :lol:

[Si Coe]

I'm pretty sure the 'too dangerous' aspect is being a little overblown, its an excuse, a good one but an excuse all the same.

The fact is the in the current climate few manufacturers want to spend a fortune sending teams (and remember for the worlds its just that, a whole team not a few drivers) half way round the globe to somewhere with only a small local market, when the rest of the world couldn't care less who wins.

The whole 'what wins on Sunday sells on Monday' argument is broken. Most racers can't afford to change cars randomly based on race results, and those that can tend to be interested in whats new and fancy. All those pre-ordered Durangos will be bought regardless of who wins the worlds.
In 8th, despite a worlds win, D8's are vastly outsold by the RC8 and 8Ights it beat, because frankly people would rather buy Losi or AE than Hot Bodies. Tamiya won the TC worlds, but you'll see more Cyclones or T2's than TRF416's at most tracks. So why bother?

[Lee]

Have you spoken to a lot of the top drivers?

A lot of them have said they are not willing to go. Im sure a lot of the drivers could afford to go off their own steam but they "choose" not to go.

Back in the early "naughties" when Spash came back from the worlds he warned everyone who was going to take old clothes, leave watches etc at home. Is that really a place where anyone wants to be going a) to race and b) to socialise afterwards :confused:

People look forward to the travelling and it is also a holiday for a lot of people, god knows why the rep from that section chooses such a place?

[Mielie]

Both the off-road & on-road worlds was held succesfully in 2002. That was after the off-road event was moved due to 9/11!!!! I was part of that Worlds and all the drivers that made the trip had a great time!!!!

Most of that drivers don't race anymore such as Francis, Pavidis, Drescher, Steenari, etc. I assume all the factory drivers thought if they don't go IFMAR would cancel the event. Looks like that is not going to happen!!!!!

There is a good chance that the 1/10th On-road Worlds will also be held in South Africa. Will we also have only 30 entries?

I have travelled to a few countries, lived in the States for 18 months!!!! But I am glad to be back in South Africa. South Africa has hosted a lot of sporting events over the last few months with no problems. We had the IPL Cricket, B & I Lions Tour, Confed Cup and we are going to host the Champions Trophy, the English Cricket team is coming to the end of the year!!!!

[jimmy]

I asked the TRAP guys, but it'd be nice to get some real-world photos of the area in / around the track and places that people might want to visit etc. Not sure if anyone on here is from Pretoria or not?

[Nick Goodall]

Completely off-topic but whenever people mention Pretoria i can't help but get that damn Peter Griffin song out of my head - the Family guy episode where they discover their house isn't actually part of America so Peter sets up his own country "Petoria" - Anyone else have this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inPpTI4P0P0

[Lee Martin]

hahahahaa!!!

i dunno what SA's like - anywheres is ok if your careful.......
but i know my friend is from SA and petoria - and he said its not 'great'.....

[blue_pinky]

It's hosting the 2010 World cup too, so it can't be that bad can it?!

I'm not disputing anyone's experiences and don't know much about SA myself, but I do have a few friends who travel there or have lived there.

Sounds to me like it has it's good and bad, like every other country. The good bits sound awesome, and the bad bits that have reached the general pubic domain do sound pretty scary to me, but my guess would be, if your careful and aren't looking for trouble then you'd have a great time!

It's a pity the entry list is so short though...probably a combination of things...money, this "alledged" reputation, etc, etc. But a little sad if the official world body for RC racing has placed the event there and the manufacturers and racers don't feel they can support it, afterall it's these events and this exposure that help to shape and change the general publics feelings about places.

The host's are obviously putting a lot of time and effort in, firstly to get the event in the first place and secondly to actually hold it, like all venues do. It's a shame they may not be rewarded with the event that we'd all like to attend or here about, but if it doesn't live up to everyone's expectation it won't be their fault so they should stand proud that they've put the effort in :thumbsup:

Good luck with it I say! :thumbsup:

[Mielie]

www.sa-venues.com/attractionsga/pretoria-metro.htm (http://www.sa-venues.com/attractionsga/pretoria-metro.htm)

Pretoria is a very nice place. We have the University of Pretoria and all the students hang out in Hatfield quite close to the track. And the women......

[Alfonzo]

SA has the best and some of the worst.

The weather, scenery, food, beer and women are excellent. The service is good. The people friendly. SA is not 3rd World, but very wealthy & modern in many ways. There's many aspects which easily put UK to shame (I know - not that hard).

Then there's the bad bits.

Just don't go looking for the bad bits :woot:

[stegger]

A couple of links that could help people ;)

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/south-africa/gauteng/pretoria

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/sub-saharan-africa/south-africa

[Lee]

Only 48 deaths last year thats not bad, thats only all the drivers and most of the mechanics :lol:

[jimmy]

Watch out Lee, in the same period deaths (152 cases) - in the USA! wow. Stay at home! :lol:;)

[Panic]

Only 24 entries?!? Its sad and disappointing from all aspects,,,,and I wonder how the winners will feel:confused: i for sure wouldn't like it...:mad:

[MikePimlott]

Only 24 entries?!? Its sad and disappointing from all aspects,,,,and I wonder how the winners will feel:confused: i for sure wouldn't like it...:mad:

It would deffinatley be a hollow victory.

[Lee]

One thing though, if the worlds was held in the uk, lets say in sunderland, so were on the same level as pretoria, if we could not get 150 people from the rest of the world to come surely we could get a few more locals??


I will stay away from the US till december jimmy, i have to try my luck in Jo'burg and Singapore before then. Obviously ill be staying in the Haven as much as i can :lol:

[chris68nufc]

Can anybody stop Lee swearing on this Forum. He has said the 'S' word far too many times for my liking.:p

[bondy]

It's hosting the 2010 World cup too, so it can't be that bad can it?!

I'm not disputing anyone's experiences and don't know much about SA myself, but I do have a few friends who travel there or have lived there.

Sounds to me like it has it's good and bad, like every other country. The good bits sound awesome, and the bad bits that have reached the general pubic domain do sound pretty scary to me, but my guess would be, if your careful and aren't looking for trouble then you'd have a great time!

It's a pity the entry list is so short though...probably a combination of things...money, this "alledged" reputation, etc, etc. But a little sad if the official world body for RC racing has placed the event there and the manufacturers and racers don't feel they can support it, afterall it's these events and this exposure that help to shape and change the general publics feelings about places.

The host's are obviously putting a lot of time and effort in, firstly to get the event in the first place and secondly to actually hold it, like all venues do. It's a shame they may not be rewarded with the event that we'd all like to attend or here about, but if it doesn't live up to everyone's expectation it won't be their fault so they should stand proud that they've put the effort in :thumbsup:

Good luck with it I say! :thumbsup:


Yes and can you imagine the security level when thats on ?/ Copper in every bar !!! on every corner !!!! in every hotel !!!!! Plus most of the shanty towns will have been demolished for roads and stadiums by then !!

A few foriegn people fly in for a visit with £1000's worth of gear ! The coppers are more likely to be phoning there crooked mates and telling them were your going !!!!!! :thumbdown:

[Lee]

Very true bondy, i know people who have had to give the coppers 20 notes just to get their bag off the carousel at the airport :thumbdown:

On a positive note its 50 in Nigeria :woot:

[Mielie]

Bondy & Lee you will have a good chance of survival. Only 1/5 murders are crime related the other 4/5 is due to lovers quarrels, family feuds, ect. So don't worry we don't kill tourists, we kill our own!!!!! But getting back to the Worlds it is sad to see only 12 international entries. The organizers put in a lot of money to make sure the facilities are up to standard. Hopefully there will be a few more entries now that the event is going ahead and was not cancelled as everybody was hoping for.I can't understand IFMAR stance regarding the Li-po's can anybody give us information why it was not voted in. What I heard is that EFRA put forward the proposal and it was backed by ROAR.I have entered to race in the Worlds and if we are only going to be 24 drivers then so be it, at least we going to make new friends....

[savageracer1]

TC worlds in 2010 have just been alowed lipos to be used: http://www.redrc.net/2009/08/lipo-approved-for-2010-ifmar-world-championships/ so off road might be next:confused::confused:

[suparajicon]

I don't know what to think but, I am sure there are safer countries for this.. Personally I don't think I'd go even getting paid. That's my personal opinion only.

[Jimbo]

Follow the same rules as you do in the UK, plan well ahead, have a good tour guide/driver, don't walk or drive at night if you can help it and you should be fine.

Can't see myself being too keen to go to a Westham game anytime soon, and that was in the civilised UK?

There are bad places in every country, don't generalise the whole country, else you could generalise the whole of the UK as being full of hooligans?

I wish the event organiser and entrants the best of luck.

Please make sure you get someone to video the races!

[Lee]

Follow the same rules as you do in the UK, plan well ahead, have a good tour guide/driver, don't walk or drive at night if you can help it and you should be fine.

I wouldn't say you need a tour guide or a driver in the UK, as bad as some parts of major cities are i would still be happy to go for a night out in Manchester /Liverpool/ London etc. As long as you dont go down back streets ( basically looking for trouble) you will be fine. I know it is different in SA and i am going again in another 3 weeks. Its beautiful but very dodgy and having a security guard doesn't really put you at ease, it highlights the fact you might get dead :lol:

Can't see myself being too keen to go to a Westham game anytime soon, and that was in the civilised UK?


West ham and Millwall football clubs have fanbases which go looking for trouble, Millwall have a bad history and West ham are full of cocks, for instance when their manager (Glenn Roeder) had to resign due to a brain tumour he got death threats from the west ham fans, who loved him the week before :thumbdown: Your not missing much by not going to west ham. :lol:

[Sideshow bob]

WHAT A BUNCH OF GIRLS!!!! :lol: My name is Morné...and I survive South Africa....damn...Ill even say, stuff the rest of the world...this is the best country in it anyway :thumbsup: yes we have 11 official languages AND the sexiest woman on earth (check your FHM or sports illustrated if you dont believe me).:wub

[Sideshow bob]

here are some pics...

[Sideshow bob]

...and if you get here and you are a scardy-cat, Pretoria is the Capital of SA and houses all the embassies. I'm sure they'll let you bunk in one of your bomb shelters :woot:

[Northy]

I like those pics :)

G

[Cannonball]

Of all the comments posted here how many of you have actually travelled to South Africa. The comments you chaps are making how many of you can back it up with proof. Yes we have crime in this country, but hey I can get on a bus and I don't have to worry about being blown away by some terrorist bomb or work in an office and don't worry about a plane flying into it cos my country has occupied some froeighn land. I'm not at war with any country and I don't have to go to some foresaken desert to babysit my presidents oil wells even though I don't believe in it. I can go to a sporting event, music concert and won't get beaten by a mob of drunken louts calling themselves supporters or fans. Yes I have crime in my beautiful country, but I look at the positives not the negatives. I live in South Africa where in a matter of minutes I can move from a 1st world city to a landscape filled with the beauties of nature and wildlife roaming free in vast tracks of land not behind a cage or stuffed and mounted on a stand in a museum. So before you comment again on what is South Africa come see it for yourself you'll be pleasantly surprised, oh and bring your little toy and come experience an IFMAR World Event like no other.

To the chaps from Germany, Japan, Poland Thailand and Israel who have registered, congratulations on seeing through all this nonsense mentioned by people who haven't even left their own suburb let alone city. You are the true ambassadors of this great past time.

To the current world champs who don't seem to be coming, thanks for dissapointing all your fans in not defending your titles. Can we call you World champs or maybe Chumps, the world doesn't only revolve around 2 continents.

Enuf said I'm going racing...

[jimmy]

Well said! :thumbsup:

[Sideshow bob]

AMEN to that Cannonball, Not to mention we compete in REAL sport here where being the World Champions of the Universe based on Newtonian physics actually means beating other nationalities...LOL. So yes, if they only want to compete against there fellow world Chumpions of the universe, let them...the real competitors will battle each other in the real world :thumbsup:

[bigred5765]

I'm sure calling other countries and are people names will help your cause greatly,but we have all spoken to the top lads that aren't going, and questioned them as to why,most of them don't want to be threatened with guns like they did last time they went,it seems thats just to much wonder why,

[dancoog]

People have to fight to keep their world larger!
If you don't go to SA because of preconceived notions of it being dangerous you are being small minded.
Sure there are areas and even cities in SA that wouldn't be my choice to go to but come on Pretoria... give your heads a shake.
SA is hosting the World Cup are fans not going to go because its there? No!

Expand your horizons and go to one of the most beautiful countries on earth.

If it is too expensive in a lean year just admit that as being the case and don't put it on the fact it is in SA.

Fight to keep your world view larger!

[Belsten]

agreed there is no need for any name calling, thats just plain childish and isnt a great advert for your country

Isnt it the teams (sponsors) decision as to whether they send drivers or not ?

I would love to go but a) am not good enough and b) cant afford it

[lochness42]

I would love to go but a) am not good enough and b) cant afford it

I'm the same with b) - I haven't even attended euros last 2 years because of that.

[Holeshot]

Hopefully that list gets bigger soon, Worlds isn't to far away

[Sideshow bob]

I'm sure calling other countries and are people names will help your cause greatly,but we have all spoken to the top lads that aren't going, and questioned them as to why,most of them don't want to be threatened with guns like they did last time they went,it seems thats just to much wonder why,

PLS!!!!!!!! in 30 years i have never been threatened by gun or knife for that matter. you sir are the prime example of what im referring to. Next...Screw the "top Lads" they should come so they could be tought a lesson in life...never mind Rc. finally, there is no need for me to feel the need to promote my country. milions of people who have ACTUALLY come here know how awesome it is and how pathetic these claims are. no money...COSTS? i get not being able to go to Europe...really, but do you know that the Dollar/Rand exchange rate is almost 10/1?, thats AWESOME for you...hell i wish i had that kind of money here...ill be rich. that translates into $10 for a 5 star meal....damn LOL

"threatened with guns like they did last time"....what a joke, like it happens without distinction...:mad: name calling!?!?!? you sir are dissing my country!

[Sideshow bob]

....

[lochness42]

no money...COSTS? i get not being able to go to Europe...really, but do you know that the Dollar/Rand exchange rate is almost 10/1?, thats AWESOME for you...hell i wish i had that kind of money here...ill be rich. that translates into $10 for a 5 star meal....damn LOL

You're funny - when I was in UK visiting my uncle I was looking the same way - fast food was after conversion to my currency was damn expensive as well. As I said money are also quite big problem for some of us - you're not alone who can't afford travelling abroad and race there anytime you want.

[Jimbo]

Name calling is not productive.

I've been to SA. 10 days, loved it, no trouble.

I almost got mugged in Florida in 2003, and I know several people that did, but every man and his dog ('top drivers') wants to go to the US to race!

Hypocritical.

It's a shame, and I congratulate the new world champions! You have to be in it to win it, and that means that this championship is as relevant as any other.

[bigred5765]

PLS!!!!!!!! in 30 years i have never been threatened by gun or knife for that matter. you sir are the prime example of what im referring to. Next...Screw the "top Lads" they should come so they could be tought a lesson in life...never mind Rc. finally, there is no need for me to feel the need to promote my country. milions of people who have ACTUALLY come here know how awesome it is and how pathetic these claims are. no money...COSTS? i get not being able to go to Europe...really, but do you know that the Dollar/Rand exchange rate is almost 10/1?, thats AWESOME for you...hell i wish i had that kind of money here...ill be rich. that translates into $10 for a 5 star meal....damn LOL

"threatened with guns like they did last time"....what a joke, like it happens without distinction...:mad: name calling!?!?!? you sir are dissing my country!

it is a well know fact that some of the Japanese team got held up and robbed last time the worlds was there,ask yourself a question why would people that are getting paid to go race refuse to go.???

[philpac]

Of all the comments posted here how many of you have actually travelled to South Africa. The comments you chaps are making how many of you can back it up with proof. Yes we have crime in this country, but hey I can get on a bus and I don't have to worry about being blown away by some terrorist bomb or work in an office and don't worry about a plane flying into it cos my country has occupied some froeighn land. I'm not at war with any country and I don't have to go to some foresaken desert to babysit my presidents oil wells even though I don't believe in it. I can go to a sporting event, music concert and won't get beaten by a mob of drunken louts calling themselves supporters or fans. Yes I have crime in my beautiful country, but I look at the positives not the negatives. I live in South Africa where in a matter of minutes I can move from a 1st world city to a landscape filled with the beauties of nature and wildlife roaming free in vast tracks of land not behind a cage or stuffed and mounted on a stand in a museum. So before you comment again on what is South Africa come see it for yourself you'll be pleasantly surprised, oh and bring your little toy and come experience an IFMAR World Event like no other.

To the chaps from Germany, Japan, Poland Thailand and Israel who have registered, congratulations on seeing through all this nonsense mentioned by people who haven't even left their own suburb let alone city. You are the true ambassadors of this great past time.

To the current world champs who don't seem to be coming, thanks for dissapointing all your fans in not defending your titles. Can we call you World champs or maybe Chumps, the world doesn't only revolve around 2 continents.

Enuf said I'm going racing...


I know this is a bit late... but you say current world champs? I think Hayato Matsuzaki is down on the entered list... and I think he's the defending 2wd World Champ...

But for the most I agree with the guys from south africa... seriously, if they held this world champ in Detroit US or Manchester UK you can bet everyone would be coming... they're just looking for excuses really!

[geerno]

I think it is lame that people are scared. Have some guts and passion, take up karate.

That said, WTF? No Lipos? How can IFMAR be so behind the times.

Also, wasn't the worlds in SA in 2002? How come other countries / cities don't have a look in this year, it's boring having the event in the same country so close to the last time. Would be very cool to see the event in Australia again.

Pretty sure there will be a heap of late entires.

[isobarik]

Look at it like this if you put youre car on the grid but not drive you will be the 24th best driver in the world...:woot:

That would count in any cv....

mvh isobarik

[NeilD]

Is there a list of confirmed entrants anywhere?

[NeilD]

Found the list:blush:

[Nick Goodall]

PLS!!!!!!!! in 30 years i have never been threatened by gun or knife for that matter. you sir are the prime example of what im referring to. Next...Screw the "top Lads" they should come so they could be tought a lesson in life...never mind Rc. finally, there is no need for me to feel the need to promote my country. milions of people who have ACTUALLY come here know how awesome it is and how pathetic these claims are. no money...COSTS? i get not being able to go to Europe...really, but do you know that the Dollar/Rand exchange rate is almost 10/1?, thats AWESOME for you...hell i wish i had that kind of money here...ill be rich. that translates into $10 for a 5 star meal....damn LOL

"threatened with guns like they did last time"....what a joke, like it happens without distinction...:mad: name calling!?!?!? you sir are dissing my country!

Damn - someone has a chip on his Shoulders!

[Mielie]

If you look at the countries that fall under FAMAR, South Africa is probarly the best of them.

Having the Worlds in AUS can be nice, they always sent it to Japan for some reason.

Looking forward to seeing Hayato Matsuzaki trying to defend his title. As for Jared Tebo? On the ROAR website he is registered to have entered but no official word form ROAR. I think Joe Pillars is also on that list. At least two US drivers that have balls, they are now probarly not coming due to the fact that is is only two of them. I really hope they come....

[isobarik]

regarding the safety in SA wasnt glasgow in great britian murder capital no1 i europe a couple years ago???

.mvh Isobarik

[Fabs]

If you look at the countries that fall under FAMAR, South Africa is probarly the best of them.

Having the Worlds in AUS can be nice, they always sent it to Japan for some reason.

Looking forward to seeing Hayato Matsuzaki trying to defend his title. As for Jared Tebo? On the ROAR website he is registered to have entered but no official word form ROAR. I think Joe Pillars is also on that list. At least two US drivers that have balls, they are now probarly not coming due to the fact that is is only two of them. I really hope they come....

Not coming because their team has cancelled it, I don't think it was up to them.

[Lee]

At least two US drivers that have balls.

Do you really think it's about who has the biggest bollocks? i don't.

I don't travel to dodgy places just so i can say to my friends, "hey i have massive nuts i have been to Azerbaijan and saw a refinery being torched" i go because i have to go and its my job.

Just like Tebo, Cragg, etc etc im sure the teams have said we would rather have you alive than a world champ and shot on the way to the airport for the sake of a few dollars.

Also with regards to the statement about terrorism and flying planes into buildings, getting blown up etc. Yes we have to live with that crap but its not really on the forefront of your mind unless you stop in leeds or bradford for petrol. Plus would people really notice if pretoria was blown up. It's like sunderland of the southern hemisphere :lol:

[Matisse]

Am i reading the front page of the worlds website wrong, or is it too late for any further entrants to have control tyres?

reads like the order will have been placed to accomodate the entrants on the list.

[DaveG28]

Does anyone have any facts for either point if view?

Eg today's figures released show 50 murders a day in South Africa, but a decrease in 5 out of 7 "contact" crime indicators??

What is the robbery/carjack/murder rate compared to uk/USA/Europe, does anyone actually know?

And what is the crime rate in the areas near the track, it's region, better or worse than national average?

[Chrislong]

Id go if someone would pay for me 100% including expenses, but then id be more keen to go and see the country rather than missing out on the country to go and spend the week travelling between hotel and track, in a repetative chain of eating, drinking, sleeping, waiting, racing, prep'ing for a week.

[bodgit]

Does anyone have any facts for either point if view?

Eg today's figures released show 50 murders a day in South Africa, but a decrease in 5 out of 7 "contact" crime indicators??

What is the robbery/carjack/murder rate compared to uk/USA/Europe, does anyone actually know?

And what is the crime rate in the areas near the track, it's region, better or worse than national average?

Apparently we britain is worse than SA and the US
I still would,nt go there
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By James Slack
Daily Mail
Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.
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[poopers]

But that's a Daily Mail article, so obviously we're all going to die, and should run for the hills, whilst being concerned about house prices. ;)

[racingdwarf]

Been watching this thred for some time now. In 2006 the 1/8th worlds were held in Indonisia, I didn't get the chance to go, but I know many who did...and they all came back alive, the most dangerous thing they came across was some of the catering:woot:. the fastest time of the day was the sprint to the loos:lol:. Indonisia is regarded by many who travel as a country that you need to watch your back in if you are going to head off the beaten track. if I remember rightly the track was in a garded compound, but they all had a good time.
In 1991 the 10th worlds were held in detroit,a place that could get a little rough after dark yet, all came back ( even Kevin Moore didn't get shot:lol:) . Not that long ago you could get well out of your depth if you took a wrong turn in florida with a hire car , with alimo on the plates, cost some turists there life!

The thing is , no matter what country you are in, if you are in the wrong place ,at the wrong time you can get into deep water.If you don't flash your money around, don't get pissed up and mouth off but respect the locals and keep a low profile I fully suspect you will have a great time:).

Think of it like this, if the worlds were in belfast you would all go, but those from other parts of the world would prob think ...BELFAST ...S**T NO WAY, we have seen films about that place, we won't make it off the plane:lol:;)

[isobarik]

So in the end you actually are at greater risk at getting mugged at youre local club than in sa pretoria. :p

mvh Isobarik