Martin Achter provisional pole - 2009 IFMAR Worlds

[jimmy]

Well, the 2009 IFMAR World Championships is already underway and in case you didn't realise - the event isn't attended by most large manufacturers in any capacity - a real shame for the sport which ever way you look at it.
Our man Martin Achter from Germany has been sending some reports and photos back - along with local hero Stefan Fourie.

We've still got some things to finish off on the report before we upload the initial stuff - which we'll then try to keep up to date. Over night going into the final day of the 2WD championship it's Martin Achter in provisional pole position with two round wins with 4/5 of the qualifiers run.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/news/sa200901.jpg


Only Albert Claassens and Australias Craig Laughton can steal the TQ away from Martin. More to come tomorrow - when the new IFMAR World Champion is crowned.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/news/sa200902.jpg

[jaans]

the event isn't attended by most large manufacturers in any capacity - a real shame for the sport which ever way you look at it.

May I ask, why is this? Is there a reason for this?

[bondy]

Most Worlds will be remembered for the top 10 being seperated by a couple of seconds. :drool:

This one will be remembered for the top 10 being seperated by a couple of laps :lol:

I feel sorry for the guy who win's

[losixxx]

bondy, if you don't enter you can't win it, simple as that!

why feel sorry for someone who's world champion....I would take it however it was given :thumbsup:

[IceMike]

its a shame cos the track does look kewl, i woulnt mind drivin on that

[Welshy40]

I know they like going to Japan and the US all the time but when they do decide to do the world they pick the wrong countries. A monkey could have made a better decision.

I thought I would have some fun today and thought what the heck lets annoy IMAR, I mean I'm no longer doing the nats and havent seriously raced for eight years so wont be qualifying for the worlds so who cares.

So I sent an email to the Ifmar president saying that they are now a laughing stock, and whoever made this decision should be removed. I also said a few more little things just for the heck of it.

[losixxx]

very mature off you welshy!

[DCM]

Such a rebel!!

[Welshy40]

Well someone needs to tell them and im bored at work and need to do something to cheer me up, so why not act like a kid, after all all of us here do as we race toy cars.

[sparrow.2]

Dallas won't really mind your email... The decision for which country to run the worlds in is a rotational one always jumping from one regional organisation to another...

http://www.sarda.org.za/livestream.asp

Live stream for the finals later on :thumbsup:

[Nick Goodall]

Such a shame for the sport - i remember really looking forward to the Worlds everytime but this is a complete joke :thumbdown:

How can it go from being such a big event only 2 years ago to such a poor excuse for a world championship???

Dark day for 1/10th off road whichever way you look at it!

[Si Coe]

Truth be told, it was the FAMAR region that chose the track, and when you consider the options open to them (member countries:Argentina , <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 /><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on">Brazil </ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>, <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on">Costa Rica </ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>, <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on">Mexico </ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>, <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on">South Africa </ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>, <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on">Uruguay </ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>, <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Venezuela ) they were always going to have problems. The Yanks might have gone for Mexico due to being close, but frankly none of the others are significantly 'safer' than SA and would have attracted similar opposition from many. </ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>
<ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>
<ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">So what to do? Disallow FAMAR? Seems a bit harsh. </ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>
<ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>
<ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">I think the answer is to have a minimum entrants rule. Each block can hold its round whereever it chooses, but it must ensure a minimum field of say 50 drivers to class as a worlds. If international drivers won't come, let the local boys fill up the spaces. If there aren't enough locals to fill the grid, as is the case in SA it appears, why is it a suitable location for the Worlds? Surely a requirement should be some local interest! </ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>
<ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>
<ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">The fact is we could organise a 'worlds' next week in lets say Dorset, and even at this short notice get more than 17 eligible drivers! 17 is a quiet club meeting! </ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>

[GRIFF55]

Does the UK still put in to hold a worlds? I believe we have one of the stongest countries for this going, would be good me thinks.
NICE WORK JIM, KEEP IT UP MATE!!:thumbsup:

[MattW]

Like has been said before, the worlds rotates through all the IFMAR member blocks. EFRA, FEMCA?(japan etc), FAMAR, ROAR - and I think that's the order as well. So if i have it right, it's USA next time and then EFRA again. If the UK wanted it, BRCA would have to ask for it when it came round to EFRA next.

The last "big" off road race that BRCA held was Euros in Tiverton in something like 04 ish.

[jimmy]

The 'next' worlds is in Vaasa, Finland I thought? So not the USA. Or am I horribly wrong?

[Welshy40]

Ok so yes I would rather race in SA instead of Venezuela, as I was rather scared that I wasnt going to get out alive when I was there. Horrible place due to the mad man of a dictator and his military rule. Every shot you heard was a death and they bullets were flying on the two weeks I was there.

[Gonky]

EFRA in 2011, ROAR in 2013, FEMCA in 2015 and FAMAR in 2017

[geerno]

From Aussie RC Tech

A1

1st craig laughton 14L 308
2nd martin achter 14L 314
3rd albert claassons
4th stefan ippy
5th charlie hollander
6th jaco van eden
7th brandon joint
8th stefan fourie
9th dean steenmans
10th gerrit gouws

[Belsten]

is it just me or is the live streaming not very good ?

[Highjumper]

We had at the Weekend an Indoor Race,and told about the Worlds this year! And we make a yoke,that Martin Achter can be win the Titel! And nopw,maybe he can do this! We will see it. Howe many starter are there! 15 People?.Not so good!

Greets Kim

[Neil Skull]

Dallas won't really mind your email... The decision for which country to run the worlds in is a rotational one always jumping from one regional organisation to another...

http://www.sarda.org.za/livestream.asp

Live stream for the finals later on :thumbsup:

I would not want to upset Dallas!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hes like the european version of Dog the Bounty Hunter.

[Gayo]

At least most of us can say that he has the level to be on the A final of the WORLDS! :woot::thumbsup::bored::thumbdown:

[YoungChazz]

IFMAR is the usual result of political correctness -- their "principles" get in the way of common sense and we get S.A. twice in a decade. And Finland next? I assume all 46 R/C enthusiasts will put on the race, so none will be left to enter.

I'm not knocking Finland -- Please, Family members there, we love you! -- it's simply a fact. In terms of population, S.A. and Finland are small places so there can't possibly be large numbers of R/C enthusiasts.

You don't want to know how much of the price of an X - 6 Squared goes to support the Boyz. So, why does any manufacturer pay big money to support and maintain a race team? Because what wins on Sunday sells on Monday. (That's a NASCAR adage.) It's advertising.

If it is all about advertising, a manufacturer must examine the budget -- if I spend X amount on this advertisement, what else is there I can't spend that money on and how many additional cars will I sell?

X Factory did not participate in the '07 worlds in Japan, and sales went up substantially in the ensuing 12 months. Clearly the 10,000 + Sterling we saved was a good thing. This year we will save even more, and in both cases the Family will not be required to spend that money -- we would have to raise prices to cover the costs.

IFMAR, if it is to be a relevant body, needs to recognize that it's only mission is to promote the sport of R/C racing. Making rules and putting on events is a minor part of that. NASCAR recognized reality from the beginning, and now they have 10s of thousands of participants (There are local races every weekend all over the U.S.), tens of millions of fans, and tens of zillions of dollars. It's all about promotion. Rules and schedules, which are the only things IFMAR cares about, are almost not on NASCAR"s agenda -- that's the part that's easiest to accomplish.

What goes on at NASCAR's office? The vast bulk of it is about promotion, working with the midia, and handling the money. In a back office somewhere are a few guys who tweak the rules. The teams & drivers often disagree, but they are all getting rich because of NASCAR so they accept what comes out. The fans often don't understand the rules and the various changes, but they don't care either because they are having too much fun.

IFMAR needs to recognize that half of all R/C is sold in the U.S. and another quarter is in Japan. U.K. and Germany combine for a bit over 15%, and the last 10% is the rest of the world. If that's the case, and if we want to promote the sport of R/C, 5 of every 10 WCs should be in the U.S., 2 or 3 in Japan, one each in U.K. and Germany, and every now and then one someplace else, probably Australia.

How can they possibly put two WCs in S.A. in eight years? Two in Finland in 14 years? But just one in the U.S., one in Japan, and none in U.K. or Germany? South Africa and Finland indeed.

[ashleyb4]

Chazz does know his maths.

I do tend to aggree with south affrica but not finland i think finland is a worthy place for the worlds. Part of the event is travelling to a difrent country to race. Ive never raced outside of the uk but i really would love to I hope to attend the euro's in a few years time. And i really want it to be abbroad.

Also holding an event in such places can help boost the intrest of the sport. At out oz national we gainnned about 4 new members for the club. That was two days with 130 drivers now think what attension would be drawn to an event which was a week long.

Just my two pence but Chazz your a much more experianced man than me.

A

[CODMAN]

Ummm... Just a question here... Is IFMAR a profit or Non-profit organisation? Because Nascar is a "For" profit organisation... They would hold their races in the same town every single week-end if it was the most profiatble way to go in the long run. profit is what the decision makers at NASCAR consider when developping schedules, calendars, rules, etc....

I thought IFMAR was non-profit (please correct me if I'm worng). If they are, that means their job is not to make profit, but to promote the sport all over the world, wherever they have membership and develop it in areas where there is no membership. Even if this means holding smaller events in areas and not pleasing the "for profit" companies, like SA. That,s if they are non-profit... Now if I'm wrong, and they are "for-profit", then obviously the above analysis is correct and somebody at the IFMAR marketing department should be whipped then fired...:woot:

All this "security" discussion is rubbish in my oppinion. There are sound financial reasons for the big companies not to go. But for reason they don't want to seem cheap...:thumbdown: So they are blaming it on security...

Just my 0.02$

[MHeadling]

Yes Finland should be a good place to have it.

Was Martin Achter using a B4? I was thinking the B4 must be the worlds most winning 2wd chassis?? It's got alot of titles under it's belt since it's release?

[MrHeinz]

@ Chaz; I think it's good you explained your part of it.

This years Worlds is not supported at all and it's a shame for the event and organizer.

Why do you think the next worlds is in Europe and not in the States ? You need clubs to organize it !

The statement you made about Finland is totally wrong.
Finland is known for it's racingdrivers in rc for years. Also in terms of organizing events Finland showed the world how it has to be done !!! If Americans come over they can learn what total dedication for an event like this means.

[MrHeinz]

Ummm... Just a question here... Is IFMAR a profit or Non-profit organisation? Because Nascar is a "For" profit organisation... They would hold their races in the same town every single week-end if it was the most profiatble way to go in the long run. profit is what the decision makers at NASCAR consider when developping schedules, calendars, rules, etc....

I thought IFMAR was non-profit (please correct me if I'm worng). If they are, that means their job is not to make profit, but to promote the sport all over the world, wherever they have membership and develop it in areas where there is no membership. Even if this means holding smaller events in areas and not pleasing the "for profit" companies, like SA. That,s if they are non-profit... Now if I'm wrong, and they are "for-profit", then obviously the above analysis is correct and somebody at the IFMAR marketing department should be whipped then fired...:woot:

All this "security" discussion is rubbish in my oppinion. There are sound financial reasons for the big companies not to go. But for reason they don't want to seem cheap...:thumbdown: So they are blaming it on security...

Just my 0.02$

Ifmar is non profit. I totally agree with your last part "

All this "security" discussion is rubbish in my oppinion. There are sound financial reasons for the big companies not to go. But for reason they don't want to seem cheap...:thumbdown: So they are blaming it on security... "

[Highjumper]

Has anyone news from AFrika?? Who is the best of the World in 2009??

Greets Kim

[jimmy]

IFMAR is the usual result of political correctness -- their "principles" get in the way of common sense and we get S.A. twice in a decade. And Finland next? I assume all 46 R/C enthusiasts will put on the race, so none will be left to enter.

I'm not knocking Finland -- Please, Family members there, we love you! -- it's simply a fact. In terms of population, S.A. and Finland are small places so there can't possibly be large numbers of R/C enthusiasts.

You don't want to know how much of the price of an X - 6 Squared goes to support the Boyz. So, why does any manufacturer pay big money to support and maintain a race team? Because what wins on Sunday sells on Monday. (That's a NASCAR adage.) It's advertising.

If it is all about advertising, a manufacturer must examine the budget -- if I spend X amount on this advertisement, what else is there I can't spend that money on and how many additional cars will I sell?

X Factory did not participate in the '07 worlds in Japan, and sales went up substantially in the ensuing 12 months. Clearly the 10,000 + Sterling we saved was a good thing. This year we will save even more, and in both cases the Family will not be required to spend that money -- we would have to raise prices to cover the costs.

IFMAR, if it is to be a relevant body, needs to recognize that it's only mission is to promote the sport of R/C racing. Making rules and putting on events is a minor part of that. NASCAR recognized reality from the beginning, and now they have 10s of thousands of participants (There are local races every weekend all over the U.S.), tens of millions of fans, and tens of zillions of dollars. It's all about promotion. Rules and schedules, which are the only things IFMAR cares about, are almost not on NASCAR"s agenda -- that's the part that's easiest to accomplish.

What goes on at NASCAR's office? The vast bulk of it is about promotion, working with the midia, and handling the money. In a back office somewhere are a few guys who tweak the rules. The teams & drivers often disagree, but they are all getting rich because of NASCAR so they accept what comes out. The fans often don't understand the rules and the various changes, but they don't care either because they are having too much fun.

IFMAR needs to recognize that half of all R/C is sold in the U.S. and another quarter is in Japan. U.K. and Germany combine for a bit over 15%, and the last 10% is the rest of the world. If that's the case, and if we want to promote the sport of R/C, 5 of every 10 WCs should be in the U.S., 2 or 3 in Japan, one each in U.K. and Germany, and every now and then one someplace else, probably Australia.

How can they possibly put two WCs in S.A. in eight years? Two in Finland in 14 years? But just one in the U.S., one in Japan, and none in U.K. or Germany? South Africa and Finland indeed.

WORLD Championships. I'm sure the 4th block needs looking at - but saying Europe doesn't deserve a Worlds, or is indeed a second rate area for RC racing is a tad odd.

[YoungChazz]

I want to make certain everybody understands I mean no disrespect whatever for the people of S.A. or Finland, or for their countries. Both are truly among the world's most wonderful and beautiful places -- I could happily live there -- and their peoples are warm, friendly, intelligent. We have a wonderful Dealer in each country, and I would be an idiot to put them or their customers down in any way. My unhappiness is directed solely at the organizing bodies.

Can I think that the worlds should not be held in those places and still think they are great people and wonderful places? Certainly. The fact that those countries have small populations and, in my opinion therefore should not have two WC events so close together while major countries like U.K. have none does not change my respect for those places and people or my desire to sell our products there.

I realize IFMAR is non-profit, Codman, but you said it yourself: "their job is ... to promote the sport." My point exactly.

I have much experience of ROAR, and a bit of IFMAR, and the two seem remarkably similar. I have never been to a ROAR or IFMAR event where they even had a press kit for the local media, and that includes National Championship events where ROAR's Promotions Director was present. I have been to a number of non-ROAR events where the local newspaper and/or TV station was invited to send a reporter, and the result has been two long newspaper articles with pix and two segments on TV, one in the main newscast and one in the weather. Both were repeated twice that night.

A friend of mine is a former morning drive radio personality from the LA market, one of America's biggest. We have discussed the type of promotions that could be run to help R/C grow through free media exposure. An overall organizing group, similar to ROAR or NASCAR has to come up with the promotions and do the leg work. I have suggested this to ROAR on several occasions, and have been completely rebuffed every time. I have even volunteered to do the work for free. No.

If R/C is to grow, especially R/C racing, the sanctioning body, profit-making or not, must do the work. IFMAR and ROAR have completely dropped the ball. In reality, they don't even know the ball exists...

[David Church]

The statement you made about Finland is totally wrong.
Finland is known for it's racingdrivers in rc for years. Also in terms of organizing events Finland showed the world how it has to be done !!! If Americans come over they can learn what total dedication for an event like this means.[/quote]



This is very true!!!! The Euro's there a few years ago showed how big Motorsport in Finland is and I for 1 will be hoping to be in the UK team in 2011!!!!
I have never seen such a good facility as the track in Finland!!!!!!!

[jimmy]

I'll be in Finland and will surely be racing - if I can get a place! :thumbsup:

[DCM]

Actually, reading what has been said here, although I do think, such a country as South Africa, is debatable, for a venue. But to state that half of all IFMAR events should be in the USA, thats just Americanitis, sorry, but I just totally disagree. You can not turn around, and only put the Worlds where people sell the most cars. It is a WORLDS, so should visit each continent, and it should be rotated each time. I am sure the guys who race in Australia, get fed up of never getting a worlds, since... what, the 80's?

I just dislike, totally, the attitude, that the world revolves around them 50 states...

[peetbee]

You mean along the lines of the Baseball 'world series' then?

[Si Coe]

As if the off road rules weren't balanced in favor of US drivers anyway! The fact it has to be a hard dirt track makes it kind of irrelevant to those of us who race on Astroturf to start with. Especially when you consider the reason we don't have dirt tracks is that they don't like our climate.....


But I must say I was at the '93 Worlds, and it attracted a lot of local attention. After the Worlds many new faces appeared at Southend and Springfield (the two main clubs in the area at that time) and the whole event boosted RC in Essex for a while. Which I can't see happening in SA!

[DCM]

You mean along the lines of the Baseball 'world series' then?

yes, and like we have the 8th Ovals worlds.. that covers, maybe 3 countries. F1 is now becoming a true WORLD championships, to restrict a prestigeous event to only a few countries, is just pointless and futile, you end up destroying emerging markets, rather than encouraging, and you also don't really sell any more, buy having them in already instated markets. Total bollocks. You have to take the racing to them.

I to, went to watch the Worlds, at Basildon, at a purpose built dirt track, in the UK. I do think, that the track should be weather proof, so depending on the country, depends on the style, and there should also be a warm-up too.

[BradR]

Chazz made some good points. The expected level of participation needs to be considered when deciding where to hold these events. I don't agree that half of all world championships should be in the US, but it should certainly be more often than SA.

I like the comparisons to F1 and NASCAR, but they aren't relevant. Those events are organized for the spectators, not the participants. If a F1 race only sold 17 tickets, that race wouldn't be on the schedule next year. The US Grand Prix is a good example, tried and failed.

[Welshy40]

I agree with DCM. I think that if the uk runs on grass or astro the worlds when held here should be on grass or astro. Its unfair to be set to one standard if only a few countries run to that way, and as its the best of the best it wont be hard to adapt to the surface and make it fairer. Heck if the euros were the worlds what are the odds the top ten wouldnt really change much from the euros.

[DCM]

I like the comparisons to F1 and NASCAR, but they aren't relevant. Those events are organized for the spectators, not the participants. If a F1 race only sold 17 tickets, that race wouldn't be on the schedule next year. The US Grand Prix is a good example, tried and failed.

Nascar is predominantly aimed at the American Market, and will only ever be an 'American Series', whereas the F1 series, have realised, that it is far more benneficial to hit the WORLD market.

You can't have a world champs, with only selected countried being able to attend, or that there isn't a level playing field. I just don't see why it should only be held in the 'large market', Chazz himself, contradicted by stating, that not going to Japan, he still sold BIG, so by not going to a major market, it did not, in any way, affect his sales... but by going to smaller markets, then it may inspire their organisers to work harder.

[bbq]

chazz

Finland is one of the worlds biggest motor sport countries in the world.
They are a small country but they earn alot of respect, they have prodused more world champions them most countries. just look at what they have done in F1 and Rally.

I will say that The Euros there in 2007 is the best event i have seen in my 20 years racing, they deserv to have the worlds 2011.
But i think that IFMAR should act like the Olympic comite and see were could we have a kick as worlds and hav it there otherwice we will have bad pr races like this years WC.

[CODMAN]

I understand where you're coming from Chazz. I've seen that too often... At the begining non profit organisations do a great job, run by passionate people often racers themselves... Then beaurocracy sets in...:bored:

I don,t know how it is around your parts, but around here, to get local media interested in covering "marginal" events like these, you basically have to do everything for them or they won't do it! i had to write articles about my local mountain bike club, which I,d give to the local paper and they'd print it as their own... or they wouldn't do it... That saps a lot of energy out of people and organisations... Just to get some coverage.

Nevertheless, non-profit organisations cannot make decisions about calendars/ rules and whatever solely based on market related considerations. They need to look beyond that. And having major events like these, in underdeveloped markets does a lot for stimulating local interest (believe me, it does) and expanding the sport. It doesn't bring in big bucks and isn't the best for manufacturers, but thats not what they are about...

I've seen non-profit organisations take the "lucrative route" making decisions based on what will bring in more cash, rather than what is best for their cause... The oranisation basically turns to making decisions that are in their best interest, rather than the causes... Greenpeace comes to mind... It's sad, but it does happen... regularly...:thumbdown:

Anyways, I'm kind of glad the IFMARs are small this year. And I hope the fans will "boo" the big manufacturers for boycotting them on such bogus excuses...

Just my 0.02$ (or that would be 1 pence I believe????:lol:).

I want to make certain everybody understands I mean no disrespect whatever for the people of S.A. or Finland, or for their countries. Both are truly among the world's most wonderful and beautiful places -- I could happily live there -- and their peoples are warm, friendly, intelligent. We have a wonderful Dealer in each country, and I would be an idiot to put them or their customers down in any way. My unhappiness is directed solely at the organizing bodies.

Can I think that the worlds should not be held in those places and still think they are great people and wonderful places? Certainly. The fact that those countries have small populations and, in my opinion therefore should not have two WC events so close together while major countries like U.K. have none does not change my respect for those places and people or my desire to sell our products there.

I realize IFMAR is non-profit, Codman, but you said it yourself: "their job is ... to promote the sport." My point exactly.

I have much experience of ROAR, and a bit of IFMAR, and the two seem remarkably similar. I have never been to a ROAR or IFMAR event where they even had a press kit for the local media, and that includes National Championship events where ROAR's Promotions Director was present. I have been to a number of non-ROAR events where the local newspaper and/or TV station was invited to send a reporter, and the result has been two long newspaper articles with pix and two segments on TV, one in the main newscast and one in the weather. Both were repeated twice that night.

A friend of mine is a former morning drive radio personality from the LA market, one of America's biggest. We have discussed the type of promotions that could be run to help R/C grow through free media exposure. An overall organizing group, similar to ROAR or NASCAR has to come up with the promotions and do the leg work. I have suggested this to ROAR on several occasions, and have been completely rebuffed every time. I have even volunteered to do the work for free. No.

If R/C is to grow, especially R/C racing, the sanctioning body, profit-making or not, must do the work. IFMAR and ROAR have completely dropped the ball. In reality, they don't even know the ball exists...

[Dawn Sanchez]

Chazz - forgive my bluntness.... HORSE HOCKEY.

Its so interesting to read how some folks condemn so quickly. If you have issues with ROAR, then do it somewhere ROAR is and not told to visit to find out your own self gratifying comments of importance.

You know how to reach me.

[YoungChazz]

Whether Finland has a lot of F1 and Rally drivers or not (they do!) is immaterial. Finland also produced Jukka, a 2-time winner.

I stand by my points:

1) There is no way S.A. and Finland both should have two WCs while U.S. & Japan get one and U.K., Germany, Australia have none. Makes no sense at all.

2) All this amateur stuff is nice. But wouldn't it be far better to have a thousand fans paying $5.00 each for tickets to sit in the grandstand for every National? Perhaps entry fees would go down...

Wouldn't it be better for all kinds of products outside R/C to spend money on even E-main guys? (The back markers in NASCAR all have multi-million $$ sponsorships, and there are the Craftsman trucks along with with ARCA series.) Here in the U.S. there are local tracks all over the country, and every Tom, Dick, and Harry races there on Friday and Saturday nights. Those guys all get at least some help from their local auto parts store or pub.

Why can't we do the same? Why is this sport, perfect for TV with five minutes of action followed by a two minute commercial break, not on ESPN 2 every night at 2AM?

Yes, to start it takes somebody from that volunteer organization to write the press releases, and it's great one guy did that. Needs to continue! It takes somebody to invite the reporters out to the event and show them around, tell then where to get the best pix, help them understand what is going on. Maybe even let them drive a car during a break. These media guys are human, they want to be catered to. Those who do it reap rewards in the long run.

3) Dawn, I make reference to the 2003 Stock Nationals -- I am aware of no effort at all there to court the media as above. No press kit lying around in the hotel or at registration that I ever saw. And there were some long, carefully written posts on HobbyTalk where you and others dissed me pretty good. In at least one of them I volunteered to work free and asked to be contacted. Nobody ever did.

I'd like to flesh out my ideas for improving the organization and sanctioning of this hobby with you in person, not here. The discussion between you and me needs to take place elsewhere, perhaps in Scottsdale in March.

For those who may not know, Dawn is President of ROAR.

Sure am glad this terrible attendance at S.A. has led to spirited discussion, and, I hope, to improvements in the way our sport/hobby/business is run.

[jimmy]

But on another topic entirely - Congratulations to Martin Achter, the new IFMAR 2WD World Champion. You have to be there to win it - Martin had the balls to go and race in a sport he clearly loves, what bigger promotion is there than that.

[stegger]

But on another topic entirely - Congratulations to Martin Achter, the new IFMAR 2WD World Champion. You have to be there to win it - Martin had the balls to go and race in a sport he clearly loves, what bigger promotion is there than that.

What car was he running jimmy, it will be interesting to see if the manufacturer of that car advertises as winning the 2WD WC !!!

[Dundermuffen]

Whether Finland has a lot of F1 and Rally drivers or not (they do!) is immaterial. Finland also produced Jukka, a 2-time winner.

I stand by my points:

1) There is no way S.A. and Finland both should have two WCs while U.S. & Japan get one and U.K., Germany, Australia have none. Makes no sense at all.

2) All this amateur stuff is nice. But wouldn't it be far better to have a thousand fans paying $5.00 each for tickets to sit in the grandstand for every National? Perhaps entry fees would go down...

Wouldn't it be better for all kinds of products outside R/C to spend money on even E-main guys? (The back markers in NASCAR all have multi-million $$ sponsorships, and there are the Craftsman trucks along with with ARCA series.) Here in the U.S. there are local tracks all over the country, and every Tom, Dick, and Harry races there on Friday and Saturday nights. Those guys all get at least some help from their local auto parts store or pub.

Why can't we do the same? Why is this sport, perfect for TV with five minutes of action followed by a two minute commercial break, not on ESPN 2 every night at 2AM?

Yes, to start it takes somebody from that volunteer organization to write the press releases, and it's great one guy did that. Needs to continue! It takes somebody to invite the reporters out to the event and show them around, tell then where to get the best pix, help them understand what is going on. Maybe even let them drive a car during a break. These media guys are human, they want to be catered to. Those who do it reap rewards in the long run.

3) Dawn, I make reference to the 2003 Stock Nationals -- I am aware of no effort at all there to court the media as above. No press kit lying around in the hotel or at registration that I ever saw. And there were some long, carefully written posts on HobbyTalk where you and others dissed me pretty good. In at least one of them I volunteered to work free and asked to be contacted. Nobody ever did.

I'd like to flesh out my ideas for improving the organization and sanctioning of this hobby with you in person, not here. The discussion between you and me needs to take place elsewhere, perhaps in Scottsdale in March.

For those who may not know, Dawn is President of ROAR.

Sure am glad this terrible attendance at S.A. has led to spirited discussion, and, I hope, to improvements in the way our sport/hobby/business is run.

As most americans you are a patriot and nothing is good enought for your exept your own country. It is the worlds, and it is to be placed all over the world. And since Finland and S.A. gets it 2 times and USA only once, S.A. and Finland probably did a better job than USA the last worlds.

The fact is that american top drivers do not want to race in another country. When it was announced that Thailand would get the next 1/8th worlds the americans didnt like that at all and again, blamed it on the safety. Thailand is a very nice and safe country and they have no reason saying that.

Americans dont want to race outside of U.S.A. since the tracks are so different. In the rest of the world we dont build tracks whats all about full trottle and jumps, we build tecnical tracks which dont suit the american driving style. Instead of going there and taking the loss as a man, they blame it on safety reasons.

You, Chazz, are a pathetic patriot.

[Gayo]

I see nothing patriotic on Chazz words. What I see is that you are a US hater.

The Worlds have to be on another block (continent) every 2 years. So it's one time on North America (usually the US), once in Europe, once in Asia, once in Africa and so on.
SA being the major RC country in Africa, I see nothing shocking in the fact that they hosted the WC 2 times in 10 years.

[Darren Boyle]

I have to agree with Jimmy that this is not really the time nor the place for this type of discussion, it is about the worlds that DID take place and well done to Martin with his win.

However, I think many of the "off topic" comments and critiscms on here are "harsh" to say the least regards individuals opinons and the organisations.

Chazz's main point is agreeing with most of you but you all seem to miss his it IMHO. He is stating that if it is a "Worlds" then it needs to move around the "World" more frequent. To have two meetings in one country (twice - SA and Finland) in a relative short space of time when other "larger" countries have had just one or in the case of his examples (Germany and UK) have had none does seem strange. I do not agree that we should go to the USA five out of ten times thgough, however they probably do deserve 2 or 3 from 10 (these could still be thousands of miles apart due to the vast size of the US, almost like racing in different countries).

I dont see the point regarding Finland as a dig at them as a country at all, but I think the main point is that Finland have "had" their chance recently and now that oppurtunity needs to pass to another EU country top have their "turn" the next time around and so on. Italy also had their chance recently too so we should look to another (superb) EU country who can offer its services to lay on a meeting to the same high standards as those provided already by Finland. That is NOT a dig at Finalnd, its heritage, its racing history or anything like that....

Lets not forget where the worlds "Have" and indded "Have not" been already, over the 24 years that the worlds have run (this years is the 13th championship) it has only visited 7 countries (not exactly all over the world - USA 4 times, UK/Japan/SA twice each, Australia/Finland/Italy once each so far) Is it not about time we see soem othjer fantastic coutnroies other than going back to the same ones - Germany, Spain, France, Canada, New Zealand etc to name just a few..

A reminder of where the worlds where and who won etc

1985 - California, USA (J Halsey/Stock AE - G Losi Jr/Mod Yokomo)
1987 - Romsey, UK (J Johnson/2wd Kyosho - M Hirosaka/4wd Schumacher)
1989 - St.Ives, Australia (M Hirosaka/2wd AE - M Hirosaka/4wd Yokomo)
1991 - Detroit, USA (M Hirosaka/2wd AE - C Lett/4wd Yokomo)
1993 - Basildon, UK (B Kinwald/2wd AE - M Hirosaka/4wd Yokomo)
1995 - Yatabe, Japan (M Francis/2wd AE - M Hirosaka/4wd Yokomo)
1997 - California, USA (B Kinwald/2wd Losi - M Hirosaka/4wd Yokomo)
1999 - Rauma, Finland (M Hirosaka/2wd AE - J Steenari/4wd Losi)
2001 - Pretoria, SA (M Francis/2wd Losi - J Steenari/4wd Losi)
2003 - Florida, USA (B Easton/2wd AE - R Cavalieri/4wd Losi)
2005 - Collegno, Italy (N Cragg/2wd AE - R Cavalieri/4wd J Concepts)
2007 - Ishikawa, Japan (H Matsuzaki/2wd AE - J Tebo/4wd AE)
2009 - Pretoria, SA (M Achter/2wd AE - 4wd????????)

To agree with Chazz, to follow that sequence it should really be the USA next, followed by Europe then Asia etc, but a different country each time in my opinion too where possible.

But lets not forget.........

WELL DONE to the NEW 2009 2wd WORLD CHAMPION !! CONGRATULATIONS MARTIN !!!

[Dundermuffen]

Oh, I forgot that too: GRATZ TO MARTIN!!

If your not in - you cant win.

[lochness42]

Each region has voting on where will be Worlds held.
It's not choice of one country, choice of all countries in federation and they choose from countries that are willing to do Worlds.
As I see it in Europe - there aren't many countries that said - well we will do it, or they aren't better than Finland.
Personally I don't see anything wrong about doing Worlds twice in decade in same country - if it's great race.
Also I don't think that any federation (Efra, Roar, Femca, Famar) should have more races than other as long as they are capable to organise race that deserves to be called Worlds (without influence of boycotting drivers - that's something that organisers can't change).

[geerno]

I don't think the analogy between RC racing and NASCAR holds water.

NASCAR drivers go out and risk their lives, and their sponsors support that.

RC racers and their sponsors seem like a bunch of scared girly boys who are sitting in offices, driving SUV's or on their couches whilst the World Champs is on :thumbdown:

You can't compare :p

[isobarik]

I´ll bet Martin is pleased an the rest of you is complainin.

And yes i will go to finland regardles if i drive or not since its very close to me ( driving distance )
And i have raced in finland many times in the past and they have always done an great job. When i think about it i belive that i have made more races in finland then in sweden since its so close to me.

And yes if im driving i will surley not win.

But i still think its funny that uk just has got it twice and the last time was -93

When Sweden held the world champ in 1/8 there where some complains about the track heard none for the drivers but from higher people.

You race on what you are coming to different countries use different materials and thats it.

I remember back in 96 the swedes didnt participated in the onroad championship since it was 1/12 scale on asphalt. If I had known that sooner I would hade gone to the states and have had a lots of fun.
I drove 1/12 scale on asphalt for years for training and i got very irritated when i asked for tires and got explaind to me that it should not been done.:thumbdown:

A friend of mine from finland went to us 96 and came back with an associated 1/11 he finished 3 in the b-main i bought the car from him and i still got the car at home.

mvh Isobarik

[Orange]

NASCAR pays people to do the marketing. Its their full time job that puts food on the table. The people in the R/C Organisations don't get paid and is done in spare time AND most of them use their personal vacation time to go to these events that are held!! When the time comes that these people are paid for this job, THEN I think it would be fair to blast them when they are not performing. Right now they do it to the best of their ability and I don't think ANY of them are doing a bad job for what is given them. They certainly don't deserve some of the comments on this thread!!

[geerno]

Forums are forums.

[Orange]

IF people were more involved in the happennings, then people would be more informed... AT every worlds events, ALL racers are welcome to attend the general public meeting IFMAR has. Its posted all over the place at these races and its for any racer to voice concerns or problems. I have been to 2 of these and both times there were only about 6-10 people that showed up. This is your chance to say what you need to say, but you don't go, its more important to go party.

With that said, IFMAR does not seek out information on the message forums. Your chance to speak is at those meetings and if you don't, well they don't know your concerns do they? Too much ennuendos, lies and just sheer crap on meesage forums anyway, I don't blame them!!

[Orange]

Congrats to all of the participants at this event!

I'm certainly glad that IFMAR decided to move on and run this event without all the pre-madonnas.

[Rocking Donkey]

I think some people have missed the point. Holding a World Championships in a country shouldn't mean that the citizens of that country are the only people to attend! Looking at the list of honours, it is usually the worlds best driver at the time that wins irrespective of where it is held.

Look at the 1/10th onroad worlds. It doesn't matter what country its held in, the same drivers and teams attend, usually to the warm-ups too. I think when Chazz says that he doesn't want to stump up the cash to send their team to the worlds thats fair enough, they are a small team and that is understandable. What is not fair enough is to say that because he doesn't want to foot the bill the Worlds should come to him. That sounds a little bit spoilt to me, and yes, maybe a bit American. I see that no nation has held more Worlds than the USA, but where is Canada on Darren's list?

I think that the point is that there is a world recession at the moment, and if the teams are feeling the pinch, and the amature drivers are feeling the pinch, then its not surprising that people aren't travelling all across the world to race. Every local club I have been to recently is dropping numbers too.

As Chazz says it is all about advertising for the teams. If they are not going to benefit from placing highly at the Worlds, and telling everyone about it on the boxes of their kits, then they won't attend. Maybe it is worth doing something a bit more radical in terms of cost cutting. As most of the top racers and teams now compete in multiple classes, it would no doubt be convenient to host multiple world championships in the same county over consecutive weeks, say 1/10th electric and 1/8th rally cross, so everyone only gets one set of travel costs?

[Si Coe]

Actually the point about Finland holding it twice is very valid - its not that no one else in Europe was offered, no-one wanted it.

But thats because in the UK at least there currently is not a single track that meets IFMAR's requirements for 1/10th off road, and nobody wants to stump up the cash in the middle of a recession to make such a track, especially when it will be no use to anyone after the worlds. In other words races will continue to go to places where a track can be found to meet the rules in this case SA and Finland.

As for going to an IFMAR meeting ; held at the worlds eh? Well that means my last chance for 10th off road was 15 years ago wasn't it, because I'm not travelling to SA!

[isobarik]

But thats because in the UK at least there currently is not a single track that meets IFMAR's requirements for 1/10th off road, and nobody wants to stump up the cash in the middle of a recession to make such a track, especially when it will be no use to anyone after the worlds.

Isit because they are mostly made of astro turf or grass ???


mvh isobarik

[climbaatize]

What car was Martin Achter running ?

Cumps;)

[Si Coe]

Isit because they are mostly made of astro turf or grass ???


mvh isobarik

Yes, or too short (PDA) or too narrow, or insufficient pit area, or etc.

Basically they can cope with 100 driver nationals and euros, but not Ifmar events it seems.

However I'd be willing to bet that a worlds held on Astro in the UK would also be boycotted by the US teams. I'm fairly sure they wouldn't be keen on having to race on Schuey Yellows!

[Christer Rasmussen]

To have a worlds in a country, a club is needed to organize it and in EFRA no one asked to have the event in 2011.
And where is it written that it's going to be at the Vaasa track in Finland.
At the EFRA AGM 2007 RCM-WIEN asked for the WC in 2011 (EC2009 and EC2010) I see this as a logical solution the club and track is being tested before the worlds, sadly the track/club has been demolished this summer and no event will take place there. http://www.efra.ws/news/agm2007/2007_MINUTES_E_OFFRD07-11-04.pdf
Then at the EFRA AGM 2008 Vaasa Finland asked for the WC2011 no one else, but is it 100% decided that Finland got it, I think that the AGM this year is the deciding time for the Worlds so if some other EU nation comes up with an offer it could still change.
http://www.efra.ws/news/agm2008/MINUTES_ElectrOffRoad.pdf

[BradR]

However I'd be willing to bet that a worlds held on Astro in the UK would also be boycotted by the US teams. I'm fairly sure they wouldn't be keen on having to race on Schuey Yellows!

It's not just the US that races on dirt, it's the rest of the world. For all the speculating and complaining about US drivers wanting it their way, wouldn't a worlds on astro really just be to make the UK drivers happy?

When it's the UK's turn to host, I would actually be in favor of a worlds on astro. I just had to point out the irony.

[spenner]

To be fair....

Yes the dirt tracks favour the people across the pond (s) but ask yourself why so many UK drivers attend Euro's/Worlds (Not this year) ????

Because we want to race on the hard packed clay tracks!!!

I personally think this thread has gone way off what it was supposed to be about.
SA have done a great job with the track etc.. and well done to them. People/Teams do have there reasons for not entering but that is there decision, we must respect that.

For those that did go then fair play and i am sure they had/have a great time.

There are people in the UK who would love to hold the worlds but... it cost's lots of money and also there is a lack of Dirt/Clay tracks. Which is what they all talk about and want to race on. (how much do people miss Tiverton now ??)
We do have some great all weather clubs in the UK but that is down to the poor weather.

Personally i think Finland 2011 is going to be one of the best and i pretty much expect it will be a full event. There is no country better than the Fin's for motorsport and having attended the Euro's there it will be one not to be missed!!!

Lets not take away from those that did attend this year.

[CharlieF]

I believe that the rules say something about "worlds" tracks being 70% natural (ie dirt or grass etc.) that being so it can never be held on an "all weather track" or multi- surface track (astro/dirt/other) like most are in the UK or Europe (to guard against inclement weather conditions).
Yes it could be on grass as the Euro's were a couple of years ago but after 10 rounds of practice for 120 drivers on practice "day one" there was not a blade of grass left to be seen on the track so all those drivers who fancied their chances on a known surface were as well going home before qualifiying started! -(oh yes another dirt track).
Perhaps it is the rules that need re-visiting before we start to ask why so few countries are able to put in for these prestigious events.
Regards

[Si Coe]

That was kinda where I was going. As it stands now, the way the rules work means that the Worlds have to go where the people are willing to build a track that fits them.
The dirt part screws up places that need all weather tracks, the size part makes it hard in places where land can be expensive (the Japanese race on dirt, but most of their tracks aren't long enough) and the fact it shouldn't have been used before means you need to bulldoze your existing track to make it - no wonder nobody wants to host it!

So we end up with the situation that we have the South Africans willing to make a track that complies but nobody wants to race there, and people wanting to race in UK/Germany but no club that wants to build a track for them!

[wayboarder]

Yes I am a Yankee as you guys like to say, now that is out of the way,
There was 24 entries to the worlds, and only 16 showed up...
What happened to the other 8? Spend 400 bucks for an entry to not show up. They musta been killed as they got off the plane.
Another reason for no one showing up at the worlds...

Why travel to South Africa to race when all the competition is in our backyard?

The Japanese can say the same thing, and at all the large events here in the US, the best Japanese teams show up and do really well. Thats why when there is an event in Japan, US teams go. They go to where the competition is. Who short of Masami Jukka and Cragg from "across the pond" can keep up with tebo, maifield, Cav, Kinwald, drake, root, the list goes on? there is no reason for the companies to fork money out to send there drivers far away to prove what can be proved at events held in our backyard? Look at all of the past Ifmar Worlds results. The EU drivers that can keep up come play, all 2 of them.
No sense in beating a dead horse.
and 100 entries = tiny event.
Come check out some of the club races here in southern california... often times getting 130 entries on a friday or sunday... For CLUB racing.
You guys wanna see a big event? Check out that Nationals or heck even the JBRL. You should see some of the turnouts for some East Coast 1/8 gas racing. Them southern boys can wheel!!!. Itll make you guys think "wow, our racing truly is a grain of sand in the sandbox"

[lochness42]

From IFMAR rules:

SURFACE
Pack able rock free dirt - preferably sifted top soil/clay compound with minimum amounts of
sand. Surface should be able to be easily broken and repaired to ensure a consistent and
wide racing line. Such conditions have shown to yield excellent racing due to width and
consistency of the racing line. Additionally qualifying is fairer as the ability to maintain a
consistent surface gives all competitors an equal track that can be enjoyed by those in heats
before as well as after his own.

[isobarik]

And when you want to promote the sport you will have to change the location otherwise it will just be backyard racing.

If it has to be atleast 70% grass so what about an all grass track then ???
I would have traveled to drive on that.
back in the days when you use to read about uk races it was all about craig and his yokomo on grass and rain rain ...hm ..rain...


What i dont like is those stadium type track bend jumps bend jumps back an forth just u bends all the time :thumbdown:

mvh Isobarik

And here is some racing from finland shoot yesterday :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhtDFy3072M&feature=related

btw instead of complaining about the location of where the wc is held shouldnt we complain about the tracks in our countries making them more ifmar friendly ???

[PTRU]

Hi all

first of all I would like to congratulate SA on building a good track well done and for putting a good event on. well done to ever wins the event they will be a world champion.

Having now built two clay tracks in the UK I know what it takes to do this.well done

I also know what it is like to build and put on an event and have little support from the people within the sport It sucks. (many thanks to those who do support us we love you!!!)

As has already been said if you do not apply for the event you will not get it.
UK / BRCA 1/10th does not want a euro's or worlds, for what ever reason.
So that rules us out.

Why would anybody travel 1000's of miles to a meeting with IFMAR?
spending there own cash. When things can be done by e-mail telephone ect. There is a problem at the present time just look at the entries to the premiar event for 1/10th off road so do not put head in sand on that one.

as too not looking at forums this is the people who you (IFMAR ROAR BRCA EFRA ect) represent, some will have good and constructive points you should read them if you have time.

PDA is too short for IFMAR but same size as so cal track in USA and it ticks all the other boxes, indoor clay track pitting for 100 people. May be this is why there is not more tracks in the UK like it?

One quetion do the manufactures need the worlds or do the worlds need the manufactures?
may be these people need to talk more and work closer.

These are my feelings on the sport and not realated to any sponcer if it carrys on like this it will turn in on its self and numbers will fall evan more.

[JohnM]

Why travel to South Africa to race when all the competition is in our backyard?

The Japanese can say the same thing, and at all the large events here in the US, the best Japanese teams show up and do really well. Thats why when there is an event in Japan, US teams go. They go to where the competition is. Who short of Masami Jukka and Cragg from "across the pond" can keep up with tebo, maifield, Cav, Kinwald, drake, root, the list goes on? there is no reason for the companies to fork money out to send there drivers far away to prove what can be proved at events held in our backyard? Look at all of the past Ifmar Worlds results. The EU drivers that can keep up come play, all 2 of them.
No sense in beating a dead horse.


Lets see how many of your "stars" can keep up with Cragg, Martin or Stafford etc if they came over here to race on our style of tracks, I'd put money on no more then one of the names you list getting in the A final at one of our Nationals;)

The only reason American drivers have done okish at the Worlds, is because it's held on the same sort of tracks they race on all of the time, surely a "World Championship", should be held on different sorts of tracks, bit like Tennis, you have the guys who can play on grass courts, or clay, etc, but the top guys can play well on all sorts of courts.

Anyway, back on subject, any news of how 4wd is going?

[Fabs]

What about a worlds at harper adams ?

[Neil Skull]

Yes I am a Yankee as you guys like to say, now that is out of the way,
There was 24 entries to the worlds, and only 16 showed up...
What happened to the other 8? Spend 400 bucks for an entry to not show up. They musta been killed as they got off the plane.
Another reason for no one showing up at the worlds...

Why travel to South Africa to race when all the competition is in our backyard?

The Japanese can say the same thing, and at all the large events here in the US, the best Japanese teams show up and do really well. Thats why when there is an event in Japan, US teams go. They go to where the competition is. Who short of Masami Jukka and Cragg from "across the pond" can keep up with tebo, maifield, Cav, Kinwald, drake, root, the list goes on? there is no reason for the companies to fork money out to send there drivers far away to prove what can be proved at events held in our backyard? Look at all of the past Ifmar Worlds results. The EU drivers that can keep up come play, all 2 of them.
No sense in beating a dead horse.
and 100 entries = tiny event.
Come check out some of the club races here in southern california... often times getting 130 entries on a friday or sunday... For CLUB racing.
You guys wanna see a big event? Check out that Nationals or heck even the JBRL. You should see some of the turnouts for some East Coast 1/8 gas racing. Them southern boys can wheel!!!. Itll make you guys think "wow, our racing truly is a grain of sand in the sandbox"


I know how big the sport is in America and you are correct about many things. Tebo has only raced over here twice and won both times (1/8th that is)
But in terms of World champions the yankees dont fair so well we do have our fair share in europe.
I was just trying to remeber who is holding worlds.
Let me know if i am wrong.

1/8th onroad Collari (Italian)
1/8th Off road Hara (Japanese)
1/10th on road IC Lelasi(italian)
1/10th Electric on Road Rhinehard (German)
1/10th Electric Off road Tebo 4wd(USA)
1/10TH Electric Off road 2wd matsuzaki (Japanese)

Then there is all the smaller classes which i dont think any yankees hold?
In fact the americans dont have a history of good reults in WC.
You have got the biggest Races it seems but not the results. And as we speak Tebo will lose his crown to a non USA racer.


Oh and bye the way i am Tebos number one fan. After Jesus of course :)

[Kopite]

Yes I am a Yankee as you guys like to say, now that is out of the way,
There was 24 entries to the worlds, and only 16 showed up...
What happened to the other 8? Spend 400 bucks for an entry to not show up. They musta been killed as they got off the plane.
Another reason for no one showing up at the worlds...

Why travel to South Africa to race when all the competition is in our backyard?

The Japanese can say the same thing, and at all the large events here in the US, the best Japanese teams show up and do really well. Thats why when there is an event in Japan, US teams go. They go to where the competition is. Who short of Masami Jukka and Cragg from "across the pond" can keep up with tebo, maifield, Cav, Kinwald, drake, root, the list goes on? there is no reason for the companies to fork money out to send there drivers far away to prove what can be proved at events held in our backyard? Look at all of the past Ifmar Worlds results. The EU drivers that can keep up come play, all 2 of them.
No sense in beating a dead horse.
and 100 entries = tiny event.
Come check out some of the club races here in southern california... often times getting 130 entries on a friday or sunday... For CLUB racing.
You guys wanna see a big event? Check out that Nationals or heck even the JBRL. You should see some of the turnouts for some East Coast 1/8 gas racing. Them southern boys can wheel!!!. Itll make you guys think "wow, our racing truly is a grain of sand in the sandbox"


Jesus christ, you really have fit the stereotype of an American who beleives there is no other country that matters other than the USA.

[David Church]

TBH they can't help it, the yanks know no better, most of them have not been outside the states!!! It's a big world we live in, and there are loads of r/c drivers out there, we need to be bigger than this rubbish!!!
R/C needs to be the focus, not who goes to what event!!!!
Off road is booming in the UK, and in 2 years it will booming in Finland!!!
1/10th off road is the best class of R/C ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Lee Martin]

Yes I am a Yankee as you guys like to say, now that is out of the way,
There was 24 entries to the worlds, and only 16 showed up...
What happened to the other 8? Spend 400 bucks for an entry to not show up. They musta been killed as they got off the plane.
Another reason for no one showing up at the worlds...

Why travel to South Africa to race when all the competition is in our backyard?

The Japanese can say the same thing, and at all the large events here in the US, the best Japanese teams show up and do really well. Thats why when there is an event in Japan, US teams go. They go to where the competition is. Who short of Masami Jukka and Cragg from "across the pond" can keep up with tebo, maifield, Cav, Kinwald, drake, root, the list goes on? there is no reason for the companies to fork money out to send there drivers far away to prove what can be proved at events held in our backyard? Look at all of the past Ifmar Worlds results. The EU drivers that can keep up come play, all 2 of them.
No sense in beating a dead horse.
and 100 entries = tiny event.
Come check out some of the club races here in southern california... often times getting 130 entries on a friday or sunday... For CLUB racing.
You guys wanna see a big event? Check out that Nationals or heck even the JBRL. You should see some of the turnouts for some East Coast 1/8 gas racing. Them southern boys can wheel!!!. Itll make you guys think "wow, our racing truly is a grain of sand in the sandbox"

I can keep up with them...as proven on many ocassions in the USA.....

so pipe down! muuahhahaha

[David Church]

I can keep up with them...as proven on many ocassions in the USA.....

so pipe down! muuahhahaha


Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[Lee Martin]

i also think you will find that many UK drivers can....just cause alot of them dont race on dirt every weekend...bring the guys over to race here on astro and see how fast they can all be then???

you are also missing the point that we are not pro racers...they are..well some of them, so you would expect them to beat us right?

i dont walk into the premier league and expect to be able to beat rooney one on one!

[David Church]

i also think you will find that many UK drivers can....just cause alot of them dont race on dirt every weekend...bring the guys over to race here on astro and see how fast they can all be then???

you are also missing the point that we are not pro racers...they are..well some of them, so you would expect them to beat us right?

i dont walk into the premier league and expect to be able to beat rooney one on one!

Nice again!!!! TOCHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[David Church]

Bloody yanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[Lee Martin]

BOOF!

coming from the guys that have to wear body armour to play rugby huh~!

[Fabs]

Hey Lee, I think we all agree that the BRCA Nationals see many really good drivers. In fact it probably is the most difficult championship around, because it is so close between everyone.

Unfortunately as has been mentionned, the IFMAR rules mean there can be no WC on any astro track, which is a shame as the actual rules were designed so that the track stays consistent, which is the case with an Astro track. Change of rules maybe ?

I'm surprised no one has picked up on my idea of having a worlds at Harper Adams ?

[Lee Martin]

picked up yes.......but i dont think you realise how much money harper adams costs to run an event!

[David Church]

Fabs, Harper has been considered, not so easy to organise!!!

As soon as IFMAR decide we can have a Worlds on Astro I am sure we will consider it!!!!

There is so much behind the scenes it is hard to understand!!!

But we would if we could!!!!! Is all i would say!!!!

Dc

[Fabs]

picked up yes.......but i dont think you realise how much money harper adams costs to run an event!

If I'm not mistaken the hosting club/track is granted something around $20k. I should think that'd be enough.

[JohnM]

I think if I win the lottery tonight, I'm going to pay for these top US drivers to come over here next year, for a good kicking from Lee, Neil, Ellis, and the other top Brits, actually, why wait till next year, lets bring 'em over for a nice cold, wet outside winter series somewhere:lol:

If the US drivers are better then everyone else, why haven't they won in on-road racing? same tracks for everyone, everywhere there, no advantage for them.

[Lee Martin]

youd think...........but turn that into pounds and add a few thousand and thats closer to the cost to get va event at harper!

[Fabs]

youd think...........but turn that into pounds and add a few thousand and thats closer to the cost to get va event at harper!

We should take the opportunity that the GBP is so low then compared to the dollar... lol

[Lee Martin]

i meant £20k then add a few! lol...and the GBP not that low yet!

[Fabs]

Well that's a shame then. I'll have to try and get in for the Neo this time then (on a borrowed car, John if you're reading this, he he).

[jondell]

2003 Slough euros in 1/8th was budgeted at 18K, it landed up costing more than that and had to borrow money from BRCA to fund it. It took 3-4 years to pay that debt back. Any worlds would cost more (subject to entry numbers)

A point i've been holding back on is that if you were to ask the IFMAR chairman 'would you like to have any worlds in USA?', he would probably say 'No thank you'. The USA may have the most of the best racers, the market share and some great tracks, but when it comes to running to the rules, things are very lacking. Their last 2 attempts to host the 1/8th off road worlds have been pretty poor.

If boycotting a worlds because people THINK its unsafe, is a way of telling IFMAR what we think, then we should also boycott countries who we KNOW are not able to run events to the rules. That said, take away the rule book and USA clubs run great events.

[Neil Skull]

I think we are all being a bit harsh on our American friend.
As much as i dont like to say he is correct. They have a lot of racing and a lot of top racers. I can guess our national is much smaller than their regional series.
I was trying to remember how the UK boys did in Cactus cup!.
I think they was well off the pace?(someone please let me know)

But it is annoying to us Brits when Yankees keep telling how everything is bigger and better than anywhere else.
We need to have a count up of world champions to see who is the best :)

[BradR]

I'm happy to live in the US, but some of the stuff I hear from other Americans makes me cringe (not just regarding R/C). As has been pointed out, it's usually the people who haven't spent any time outside these borders that are most convinced of our superiority.

i dont walk into the premier league and expect to be able to beat rooney one on one!

That reference will be totally lost on most Americans. Try a NASCAR reference next time. :woot:

[GRIFF55]

With the figures mentioned, wouldn't it make sence for someone to build a nice big clay track in the uk then?;). It could surely be covered in astro for useage after the big international meeting, preventing weather damage?:thumbsup:
ANYHOOOO, hows the 4wd going?? Congrats Martin A!!!

[wayboarder]

This is awesome and the exact responses I thought I was going to get.

First and foremost, Since someone decided to go down the narrow minded no travel american route... I have circumnavigated the globe, Twice. Ive stopped in more countries then most of us americans can name (pretty sad, but for a total, ive been to something in the likes of 30 countries and thats spread around the globe). So there goes the theory that Ive never been out of the states. Most importantly I didnt scale my world view on America or Europe.

As far as Americans not faring well in WC events, go back and look at all of the Ifmar events. In most of them, Americans hold half of the top 10 spots.

As far as the Americans not doing well on astro and what not? What makes the ones named so good at racing is how fast they can adapt to different tracks/changes. It takes me weeks to adapt to just a track layout change, and thats with the same dirt. Give any of the top guys a few runs and they are running with the fastest. A few more and they are the fastest. So to say they couldnt adapt to the astro turf is just absent minded.

As far as the rules... most tracks around the states loosely follow the rules because where there are roar rules, you have lower turnouts on a club scale. Lots of whining and complaining when rules are enforced.

Now what needs to happen, and Im sure everyone would be down for it, no complaining about security, and a great opportunity for all, would be to hold a near future Ifmar in Dubai! Dubai is probably one of the most amazing countries I have ever been to. Its also fairly cheap to go there, so money complaints are not there either, and Im sure since Dubai is trying to continue to up their attendance in all venues that they would make it a high priority to get an event there and make it a event to remember.

As far as the parallels between RC and other sports, Come on thats silly. These are TOY CARS! Nascar is a money making machine and the only reason to attend a event is to see all the naked mammories that are in the crowds. Which to Europeans is no big deal, but to us americans (religious fanatics I dare say) its a big deal. When it all comes down to it its all about dollars and cents, Or Euros, or Durhams, or Looneys, or Sings, or Yen, or whatever you wanna call it. If there is no purse, no chance for advertisement opportunities, and no competition; there is no reason for any company or pro driver to attend any event.

Btw, is the Durango the new ifmar champ yet?

[David Church]

Great response wayborder!!! Still not quite sure what it means, apart from have a worlds at Dubai!!! Sounds good!!!!:thumbsup:

I think it would make sense to hold a worlds on astro sometime. We race on anything we can over here. Clay doesnt work, too much rain, astro works best for most outdoor clubs, so why not a worlds on this surface???
I am sure the yanks will pick it up quickly and be fast, but I am sure our guys will be a bit quicker!!!:thumbsup:

Chazz has made a post that more worlds should be in the states, I think a fair split around the world is best!!!

Re read the last bit to your post, and you basically said no money, no reason to do anything!!!!
Aw come on man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We do this sport cause we want to, not ever for the money!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Si Coe]

Worth pointing out that in the classes where tracks are the same worldwide (basically on-road) the US doesn't fare that well at all.

[wayboarder]

Agreed, there is no money in it for me at all. I still have to pay for everything. But when a lot of these guys are doing it for a living (pretty disheartening)... then its just not worth their time. I am fortunate to have Root, Cavalieri, and hartson in my pits at my local track, and have had the opportunity to joke around with Hayato a couple of times, and they just go where the money and competition is. If it all came down to hobbiest racing only, then I dont think a Ifmar event would ever take place and if it did, the results wouldnt reflect the world racers, just whoevers country it was in. So call it nationals haha.

Basically, im rooting for a ifmar in Dubai, just because I want another reason to go and spend some time at the wadi river water park and to go offroading in the endless sand dunes.


Ya but who runs onroad? Its about as exciting as watching Nascar, or watching paint dry?

[David Church]

[quote=wayboarder;296655]Agreed, there is no money in it for me at all. I still have to pay for everything. But when a lot of these guys are doing it for a living (pretty disheartening)... then its just not worth there time. I am fortunate to have Root, Cavalieri, and hartson in my pits at my local track, and have had the opportunity to joke around with Hayato a couple of times, and they just go where the money and competition is. If it all came down to hobbiest racing only, then I dont think a Ifmar event would ever take place and if it did, the results wouldnt reflect the world racers, just whoevers country it was in. So call it nationals haha.

Basically, im rooting for a ifmar in Dubai, just because I want another reason to go and spend some time at the wadi river water park and to go offroading in the endless sand dunes.Quote"



Thats so wrong....I will only go race if I get paid attitude!!!
These guys get paid cause we buy the products!!!!
they should want to be the worlsd champion!!!
I too know many top racers, Cragg, Martin, Stafford, Bradby, Moss, Williams, and a few yanks I met in Japan 2 years ago, these guys race cause they want too, not cause they will get paid for where they go. fair enough, they may not want to go win the local series, but they should want to win the worlds, wether or not they make loads of money!!!!

[wayboarder]

Thats so wrong....I will only go race if I get paid attitude!!!
These guys get paid cause we buy the products!!!!
they should want to be the worlsd champion!!!
I too know many top racers, Cragg, Martin, Stafford, Bradby, Moss, Williams, and a few yanks I met in Japan 2 years ago, these guys race cause they want too, not cause they will get paid for where they go. fair enough, they may not want to go win the local series, but they should want to win the worlds, wether or not they make loads of money!!!!


I completely, 100 percent, agree. Thats why our hobby is no longer graced by one of the greatest racers of all time, Matt Francis. That guy was so gracious for everything and so helpful (he set up my XXX for me at So Cal in 2000 and still from what I remember is the best handling car I have ever driven). It is a shame that those attitudes drove him out of the hobby (among other things).

[James]

With the figures mentioned, wouldn't it make sence for someone to build a nice big clay track in the uk then?;). It could surely be covered in astro for useage after the big international meeting, preventing weather damage?:thumbsup:
ANYHOOOO, hows the 4wd going?? Congrats Martin A!!!

Building a clay track is dead easy - building and financing a large indoor one is the tricky bit.. I've been considering it for a while at blyth. Covering it in astro wouldn't really work. One day im sure we will have one, just not sure when..might be a while :s
Thinking a structure like this: http://www.coverall.net/EN/Customers/Agriculture/Commodity_Storage/

[GRIFF55]

damn James, do you want to move closer to here:lol:

[David Church]

Building a clay track is dead easy - building and financing a large indoor one is the tricky bit.. I've been considering it for a while at blyth. Covering it in astro wouldn't really work. One day im sure we will have one, just not sure when..


Come on James, you can scrap a track together in an afternoon!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Belsten]

i'd 2nd that griff, pass the popcorn would you :woot:

[David Church]

I completely, 100 percent, agree. Thats why our hobby is no longer graced by one of the greatest racers of all time, Matt Francis. That guy was so gracious for everything and so helpful (he set up my XXX for me at So Cal in 2000 and still from what I remember is the best handling car I have ever driven). It is a shame that those attitudes drove him out of the hobby (among other things).


Fair play dood!!! This is still a sport/hobby that very few get paid for, so the top dood's should still race cause they want too!!! Not cause they have too!!!:thumbsup:

[David Church]

i'd 2nd that griff, pass the popcorn would you :woot:

Big air belston...."Gettin it done!!!!":thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[wayboarder]

If someone would hook it up and let me couch surf, Id be down for some EU racing. But the only requirement is you would also have to teach me offensive words in another language. haha

[Belsten]

I can be offensive no problem :thumbsup:

[David Church]

If someone would hook it up and let me couch surf, Id be down for some EU racing. But the only requirement is you would also have to teach me offensive words in another language. haha

Cool you plonker, div, and chav!!!! Now I know you don't know what these mean, but we is crackin up!!!! It's good you are a good sport, come race proper in the UK sometime!!! Our national series is the best in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[David Church]

I can be offensive no problem :thumbsup:

Don't I and me glasses know it!!!! hahahaha

[wayboarder]

Cool you plonker, div, and chav!!!! Now I know you don't know what these mean, but we is crackin up!!!! It's good you are a good sport, come race proper in the UK sometime!!! Our national series is the best in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BA! race proper? If by that you mean I have to race with my genitals tucked between my legs like a girly man, then Ill stay in the states.

If I went to race your national series it would be sandbagging, cause I am as you all know the best, IE American.

plonker - dope, idiot, moron, wally, pillock, dunderhead, dimwit
div - Actually originates from prison slang in the UK. A job often given to the lowest inmates was to put cardboard dividers into boxes. Someone given this job was a 'divider' or a 'div'. Now used as an insult to those who display stupidity.
chav -
Picture this a young lad about 12 years of age and 4 ½ feet high baseball cap at ninety degrees in a imitation addidas tracksuit, with trouser legs tucked into his socks (of course, is definitely the height of fashion). This lad is strutting around, fag in one hand jewellery al over the over, outside McDonalds acting as if he is 8 foot tall and built like a rugby player, when some poor unsuspecting adult (about 17/18) walks round the corner wanting to go to mcdonalds for his dinner glances at the young lad, the young lad jumps up in complete disgust and says “Whats your problem? Wanna make sommin of it? Bling Bling” when the adult starts to walk towards the young lad, the young lad pisses himself and runs off to either his pregnant 14-year-old girlfriend or his brother in the army crying his eyes out.

We have a name for all of those too... none of which PC

[David Church]

BA! race proper? If by that you mean I have to race with my genitals tucked between my legs like a girly man, then Ill stay in the states.

If I went to race your national series it would be sandbagging, cause I am as you all know the best, IE American.


Ok you have balls....but you are full of sh1t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Credit to you for talking big.....but you would have no chance....even I would whoop your ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bodgit]

If you yanks are so clever how come you dont know
your fanny,s from your ass
over here you would be batty boys

[erkan]

BA! race proper? If by that you mean I have to race with my genitals tucked between my legs like a girly man, then Ill stay in the states.

If I went to race your national series it would be sandbagging, cause I am as you all know the best, IE American.

plonker - dope, idiot, moron, wally, pillock, dunderhead, dimwit
div - Actually originates from prison slang in the UK. A job often given to the lowest inmates was to put cardboard dividers into boxes. Someone given this job was a 'divider' or a 'div'. Now used as an insult to those who display stupidity.
chav -
Picture this a young lad about 12 years of age and 4 ½ feet high baseball cap at ninety degrees in a imitation addidas tracksuit, with trouser legs tucked into his socks (of course, is definitely the height of fashion). This lad is strutting around, fag in one hand jewellery al over the over, outside McDonalds acting as if he is 8 foot tall and built like a rugby player, when some poor unsuspecting adult (about 17/18) walks round the corner wanting to go to mcdonalds for his dinner glances at the young lad, the young lad jumps up in complete disgust and says “Whats your problem? Wanna make sommin of it? Bling Bling” when the adult starts to walk towards the young lad, the young lad pisses himself and runs off to either his pregnant 14-year-old girlfriend or his brother in the army crying his eyes out.

We have a name for all of those too... none of which PC

hahaahahaha :thumbsup: the best one ever.. i think i need to start using "chav":thumbsup:

[bodgit]

BA! race proper? If by that you mean I have to race with my genitals tucked between my legs like a girly man, then Ill stay in the states.

If I went to race your national series it would be sandbagging, cause I am as you all know the best, IE American.

plonker - dope, idiot, moron, wally, pillock, dunderhead, dimwit
div - Actually originates from prison slang in the UK. A job often given to the lowest inmates was to put cardboard dividers into boxes. Someone given this job was a 'divider' or a 'div'. Now used as an insult to those who display stupidity.
chav -
Picture this a young lad about 12 years of age and 4 ½ feet high baseball cap at ninety degrees in a imitation addidas tracksuit, with trouser legs tucked into his socks (of course, is definitely the height of fashion). This lad is strutting around, fag in one hand jewellery al over the over, outside McDonalds acting as if he is 8 foot tall and built like a rugby player, when some poor unsuspecting adult (about 17/18) walks round the corner wanting to go to mcdonalds for his dinner glances at the young lad, the young lad jumps up in complete disgust and says “Whats your problem? Wanna make sommin of it? Bling Bling” when the adult starts to walk towards the young lad, the young lad pisses himself and runs off to either his pregnant 14-year-old girlfriend or his brother in the army crying his eyes out.

We have a name for all of those too... none of which PC

Ok so tell the truth you did,nt really know what all that slang was did you.. You looked it up and pasted it from

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav

thats uk1 usa0

[David Church]

Of course he had no idea, thats why he googled it!!!! He almost got away with it!!!!! Hahahahahhahahahahah

[wayboarder]

No i didn't, but I at least took the time to look up something I didn't know.

You guys are making me that much more intelligent so maybe one day I can be as intelligent as a European :thumbdown:

Heres one for you guys

Tonk - An illegal alien, named for from the sound that is made from a border patrolmans flashlight when it comes into contact with the illegals skull.

[Belsten]

Big air belston...."Gettin it done!!!!":thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I dont know what youre talking about, I have no recolection whatsoever :blush:

[Funkymojo]

If you yanks are so clever how come you dont know
your fanny,s from your ass
over here you would be batty boys

This is pure classic mate... :lol:

The problem with the yanks is that they think America is the whole world...as for them being bright? Nah...They are the easiest to brainwash...that's why crappy buy it now tv ads works so well over there.. " Can't get your woman satisfied? Don't worry, now with the latest magic finger you can! Just make 3 easy payments of $9.99 and we'll throw in the magic tongue as well! " Only crap ads like this will work in the USA...oh and don't forget, Televangelism works over there too..cos most yanks are couch potatoes who likes fiddling around with their tv remote...:lol:

[David Church]

Well done " La Migra"!!!!!!!!!!!! do you know what this means???

Tonk......haha....nice slang!!!!

Oh and Funkymojo........there is no..."The problem with the yanks"........


There is loads! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahahahaha

[wayboarder]

This is pure classic mate... :lol:

The problem with the yanks is that they think America is the whole world...as for them being bright? Nah...They are the easiest to brainwash...that' why crappy buy it now tv ads works so well over there.. " Can't get your woman satisfied? Don't worry, now with the latest magic finger you can! Just make 3 easy payments of $9.99 and we'll throw in the magic tongue as well! " Only crap ads like this will work in the USA...oh and don't forget, Televangelism works over there too..cos most yanks are couch potatoes who likes fiddling around with their tv remote...:lol:

O man, dont get me started on those Televangilists... You guys want a treat, check out some youtubes of Pentacostal services, they are way out there...

And we dont think America is the whole world. We know!

Alright, had enough fun for the day. Its time for me to go to Church, Watch some Nascar, Oppress some homosexuals, watch a tractor pull, and then make it just in time to drink some budweiser on the couch while ordering up Girls gone wild videos and while simultaneously eating Buffalo wings that are actually all legs that came from an Adobe hut right down the street from my local Tonk. ( and by all that I mean, hit the gym and then go club racing)

[David Church]

O man, dont get me started on those Televangilists... You guys want a treat, check out some youtubes of Pentacostal services, they are way out there...

And we dont think America is the whole world. We know!

You sound alot like Lee-Mag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup: Is this u Lee????

[bodgit]

sorry my freind but as you bought the urbandictionary.com into this yank is defined as

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yank


1. A term used by the British to describe all Americans.
2. A term used by American Southerners to a. describe Union Forces during the American Civil War; b. Post Civil War reference to Americans from non-Southern States.
3. Slang for male masterbastion.
4. A term to describe pulling something very hard and fast (see number 3)
1. "Oh, God! Its a Yank!"
2. a. "Its a Yank! Shoot it!
b. John Boy: "he called you a Yank, Billy Bob"! Billy Bob: "No body call my a Yank!I am going to shoot you, you Limey Bastard!"
3. "Are you yanking that thing again" or "go yank your wanker"
4. "I yanked it so hard, I got blisters"


does this by definition make you all wan**rs

[Funkymojo]

O man, dont get me started on those Televangilists... You guys want a treat, check out some youtubes of Pentacostal services, they are way out there...

And we dont think America is the whole world. We know!


:lol: It was all done in good will...I'm glad you know that America is not the whole world mate...trust me, i've done online deals with many Americans and i'm shocked that they don't know where Singapore is...they think it's part of China...actually we are part of South East Asia...a little red dot...no no yanks, we are not part of a lady's pad... :lol:

[wayboarder]

:lol: It was all done in good will...I'm glad you know that America is not the whole world mate...trust me, i've done online deals with many Americans and i'm shocked that they don't know where Singapore is...they think it's part of China...actually we are part of South East Asia...a little red dot..could be part of a lady's pad too... :lol:

Ive been to singapore twice. That place is a lot of fun. There was a place that the bottom floors of the building were electronics shops, the 2nd floor was tattoo shops and the top 2 floors were bars and "massage parlors" We called it the four floors of whores. Pretty much all the bars were packed with little singapore men dressed up as women. Right up your guys' alley!

The city is gorgeous and made me want to buy a Silvia or at least convert a 240 into one. The rules they have are insane too. Really good public transportation system and it was funny to see swastikas all over the place. However, you would be walking and as clean as it was, get pretty much clotheslined by a rancid smell of fish and curry.:cry:

[wayboarder]

You sound alot like Lee-Mag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup: Is this u Lee????

Not lee, My name is Jeff Kulp:p

[David Church]

Not lee, My name is Jeff Kulp:p


Ok mate, with your previous post you have proved to me you are a yank!!!!:thumbsup:

[David Church]

cloltheslined is a yank term! Jeff

[Belsten]

Back on topic, anyone know how 4wd is going ?

[Funkymojo]

Ive been to singapore twice. That place is a lot of fun. There was a place that the bottom floors of the building were electronics shops, the 2nd floor was tattoo shops and the top 2 floors were bars and "massage parlors" We called it the four floors of whores. Pretty much all the bars were packed with little singapore men dressed up as women. Right up your guys' alley!

The city is gorgeous and made me want to buy a Silvia or at least convert a 240 into one. The rules they have are insane too. Really good public transportation system and it was funny to see swastikas all over the place. However, you would be walking and as clean as it was, get pretty much clotheslined by a rancid smell of fish and curry.:cry:

Ahh i see you've been to Orchard Towers...No straight men would really wanna go there..:lol: It's has a reputation for trannies over there that need their diff balls greased...swastikas all over the place? Hope you're not tripping mate...Fish and curry, you must have been to Little India...:thumbsup:

Let's get back on topic...

[David Church]

Ahh i see you've been to Orchard Towers...No straight men would really wanna go there..:lol: It's has a reputation for trannies over there that need their diff balls greased...swastikas all over the place? Hope you're not tripping mate...Fish and curry, you must have been to Little India...:thumbsup:

Let's get back on topic...


Hahahahaha.....Busted! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Funkymojo]

Hahahahaha.....Busted! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Strange even tourists that visit Singapore are warned by locals not to go to Orchard Towers unless they have certain preferences... :D

[David Church]

well he must have gone as he has gone quiet!!!!!!!1

[wayboarder]

Sorry, I had to get in my pickup truck and let another culture know that they are inferior to my own.

Ya i went there, I got a tattoo and bought a new camera. But thats it! I Swear!!!

Anyone know about 4wd yet?

[isobarik]

EFRA in 2011, ROAR in 2013, FEMCA in 2015 and FAMAR in 2017

So then in 2017 we will be back in SA :thumbsup:

In 1/8 scale the track has only to be 50% natura.....can it the be 50 % artificial also...:woot:

mvh isobarik

[bodgit]

[quote=wayboarder;296718]Sorry, I had to get in my pickup truck and let another culture know that they are inferior to my own.

Ya i went there, I got a tattoo and bought a new camera. But thats it! I Swear!!!


You yanks are so gullable. Remember Borat you took him for real. Even the horse fell over laughing

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=770_1189777102 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=770_1189777102)

sorry youtube cencored the singing but this lot did,nt

[Welshy40]

Lets see how many of your "stars" can keep up with Cragg, Martin or Stafford etc if they came over here to race on our style of tracks, I'd put money on no more then one of the names you list getting in the A final at one of our Nationals;)

The only reason American drivers have done okish at the Worlds, is because it's held on the same sort of tracks they race on all of the time, surely a "World Championship", should be held on different sorts of tracks, bit like Tennis, you have the guys who can play on grass courts, or clay, etc, but the top guys can play well on all sorts of courts.

Anyway, back on subject, any news of how 4wd is going?


To put it bluntly, they cannot compete at our level. After the basildon worlds the top twenty attended the southend GP and the the WC Kinwald only just managed to keep third place and was three quarters of a lap behind kevin moore. Ben stunham also showed everyone how a cougar 2000 can go by the best of the best with it and he was not the best uk 2wd racer so the ifmar surface rules do need to be updated to nowadays. Its called a worlds for the best racers so different countries have different environments and weather so of couse different racing surfaces to cope with that and as they are the best they shouldnt find it hard to set up to the conditions

[JohnM]

Is there any news about 4wd yet?

[Orange]

I hope you all don't base your opinions of Americans off the 3 people that post on here. I would bet that most here feel the same as you. Everyone wishes the race to be in their backyard.

As far as top racers not attending, most are paid drivers and their sponsors or employers pay their way to go. If our own embassy says its a bad idea to go there and they are sent anyway, think of the liabilities should something happen had they sent them there. Its not that its an excuse, the drivers all wanted to go. Simply a business decision.

ROAR is US and Canada... There are a couple of reasons the race is always in the US when it comes to ROAR bloc... Up untill the past few years, there haven't really been many if any tracks in Canada. With few tracks the chance of one capable to hold a worlds is not very likely. Also, 99 percent of ROAR members are in the US.

Also I may be wrong, but I think your perceptions of how the worlds are chosen are incorrect. The Blocs choose the host, not IFMAR. so if it is in ROAR for example, ROAR accepts bids from tracks within ROAR and then The committee for ROAR chooses the best one suitable for the event. In FAMAR, really it was their turn in the rotation, how can the deciding people deny their members to have the race? All of you wish that it was in your backyard, don't you think the members of FAMAR feel the same way?

Just my $.02 (That btw is worth more than it did 2 years ago, Haha!)

[lochness42]

Is there any news about 4wd yet?

yeh http://www.buggy-pitstop.com/wordpress/2009/10/ep-worlds-2009-4wd/

[wayboarder]

I hope you all don't base your opinions of Americans off the 3 people that post on here.

Thanks Obama :p

[Orange]

I voted for McCain, I live in Arizona, duh!

[Cruise]

Looks like Martin just won also the 4WD title.

Cruise

[Alex H]

Looks like Martin just won also the 4WD title.

Cruise
Where what when? Where's that info?.

[savageracer1]

here: http://www.neobuggy.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7058 :thumbsup:

[JohnM]

Good on the lad, at least he had the balls to turn up:thumbsup:

[MrHeinz]

Congratulations for Martin. He was there and a deserved winner. We can all argue about this worlds but in 15 years there will only be 2 names remembered as they won the worlds in 2 and 4 wd the same year. And you are on the same list as Masami !!!

[gasjogi]

Congratulations to Martin! :thumbsup:

Here are the results:
http://www.trap.co.za/offroadep/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&id=4:ep-off-road-4wd-championship-results&Itemid=7

[GRIFF55]

Nice one Martin and Durango!:thumbsup:

[Highjumper]

Great Job Martin,! Now CS Electronic has the Wolrd best Speedcontroller!

Greets Kim

[PeterJ]

As a South African driver for more than 20 years, and a dad (machanic) to one of the participating drivers Rikus J van Vuuren, it was a pleasure to have met Martin and Stefan and Graig, and I congratulate him for the win, he deserved it, we would have loved to met more of the top drivers and Teams as we also support the sport and various teams (Kyosho, TEKIN, LRP)and have worked hard to qualify for this event and the host has spent a lot to prepare for this event.

[Cruise]

Now CS Electronic has the World best Speedcontroller!

@Jimmy that should remind you of something!

Cruise

[Lee Martin]

I think we are all being a bit harsh on our American friend.
As much as i dont like to say he is correct. They have a lot of racing and a lot of top racers. I can guess our national is much smaller than their regional series.
I was trying to remember how the UK boys did in Cactus cup!.
I think they was well off the pace?(someone please let me know)



You mean as far off the pace as myself qualifying 4th in 2wd and 4th in truck and Neil qualifying 3rd in 4wd????????????????

And dont forget about winning a A main leg in 2008 in 4wd for myself???

[c0sie]

Damn....pidge just pwnd your ass..

[chokoboy]

Congrats to Martin for takin' the double:thumbsup:
Weird to have a new 2wd world champion that did not make the a-main in 2wd at the euros

[Lee Martin]

or 4wd main.....

[Ben Turner]

Lee is OWNING this thread :woot:

[emzy]

Brazil, Costa Rica, Mexico, South Africa, Uruguay, Venezuela, Argentina

Uruguay would be awesome crack... as would Argentina. And they're both a LOT safer than South Africa - Uruguay is RIDICULOUSLY safe. Argentina is a hell of a lot bigger than SA and only had 4 British tourist deaths last year... SA had 48....! 871 stolen passports (SA) to 225 in Argentina...!

And GUYS, Venezuela has the highest number of Miss Universes IN THE WORLD. And you don't want to go there...?!!!

Mexico could be cool... and Costa Rica would be good for a joint-beach holiday...!

Chile should get its arse in gear and sign up - they have an AMAZING offroad nitro track in the capital (and pretty near to the airport).

[HyperFX]

I've seen only a couple photo's, and no video of the '09 Worlds. Was there no media coverage?
Could someone post a link to either, please? Thanks, much. :thumbsup:

[Wicked-Wayz]

As far as top racers not attending, most are paid drivers and their sponsors or employers pay their way to go. If our own embassy says its a bad idea to go there and they are sent anyway, think of the liabilities should something happen had they sent them there. Its not that its an excuse, the drivers all wanted to go. Simply a business decision.


Well I hate to burst your bubble Mr. Sanchez but your full of sh*t. Where the worlds was held is not even on our embassy's don't travel list. Kenya & Central African Republic are the only two listed that I see. Honestly and truthfully we b**ched out. The american companies didn't want to spend the money. Of course were not the only ones guilty. Maybe next time we can get our own heads out of our rears. By the way I included a link to the embassy's travel warning list. Have a look for yourself.

By the way a big congrats goes to Martin for taking the World Championships.

Peace Aaron(W-W)

[Wicked-Wayz]

Please delete this one.