madrat weight?

[saintnitro]

hi all i just wondering how much peoples rats weigh (with and without lipo).as i got 160g in and round the servo and its still popping wheelies:confused: i've undone the slipper so much now the bolt is nearly falling of and still it wants to lift. so now i'm at a loss,do i add anymore weight to the front or is there something else i'm missing.
all help greatfully recived:thumbsup:

Ginge

[Paulmay79]

my pro is 1820g with a nimh

[stampede vxlboy]

it will not pull wheelies on a track i got rb5 gearbox and spur gear slipper pads it will not stop wheelies at all my does the same my weight with a lipo battery 1550 grams and off the start if you hit full power it will do the same in any 2 wd buggy my slipper is set half a turn back from fully tightened but i use all rb5 parts on my rat and put weight all over the car not just at the front battery tray put weight and some at the rear end of the car like at the back of the gearbox at the back of the shock tower . turn the punch and the timing down and it mite help . BUT IT WILL NOT WHEELIE ON A TRACK AT ALL MY DOES WHEN MESSING AT HOME WITH IT IT DOES BUT NOT AT A TRACK GET ITS WEIGHT UP NTO ABOUT 1550 AND WILL STOP IT BETTER HEAVY THAN LESS WEIGHTS

[Nick Goodall]

If it's still pulling a wheely with the Slipper backed right off, the slipper obviously isn't working right so i'd look at the B4 one - DCM said that it's pretty easy to fit a B4 slipper on there so i'd get that done and try again....

[stampede vxlboy]

IT ONLY DOES IT WITH THE RAT NOT MY B4

[saintnitro]

it was trying to wheelie at all throttle range's and it was on a astro track and it was even doing it on grass:mad: but will try a b4 slipper and see what happens.
mine wheighs in at 1500g with a 5000mah core lipo, do you think i need some more weight?

Ginge

[stampede vxlboy]

the b4 stuff does not kit it? get a rb5 spur gear 78 spur and slipper pads they fit on dms racing sell them in stock as well

[mikeyscott]

Hi,

What motor are you running and yes I'd say more weight required. My XXCR is heaving than that with Tekin RS Pro, LRP 7.5 and a Trakpower 3600 LIPO.

Also what happened to your XX? They rock at our track given the right set-up.

PM DCM about the B4 slipper etc. as they are good. Shaun's mate I thought ran a Madrat too (haven't seen him for a while) and I don't remember his having the problem?

[saintnitro]

hi mike i am shauns mate:woot: the xx is going through a mot at the moment:thumbsup: i'm running a 9t ez-run at the moment but still looking for something else, as i see paul is running around 1800g i think i might add some more weight can someone plz take a photo of where they have added the weight as i said i got 160g around the servo but dont know where to add anymore to keep it balanced

Cheers Ginge

[stampede vxlboy]

put some were the battery goes and some at the back of the shock tower rear and some on top of the gearbox. and some on the chassis at the rear in the little side bit of the chassis as well

[mikeyscott]

put some were the battery goes and some at the back of the shock tower rear and some on top of the gearbox. and some on the chassis at the rear in the little side bit of the chassis as well

That's going to add more weight to the rear, he's got a problem with the front lifting, so the last thing you want is more weight at the rear. :wtf:

Ginge, Shaun had another chap who came down with a Madrat, haven't seen him for a while.

What FDR do you have on the Madrat?

[stampede vxlboy]

balance the weight out on the chassis then the battery bit and the side bit s:woot:

[Paulmay79]

If you set your diff and slipper up correctly you dont need to add weight. Mine only weighs that much cos of all the mods ive done with the t and titanium bits. plus its a pro so the shocks and other bits are alloy as standard.

[Battle_axe]

mine is 1600g with battery and 1200 without im running gp 3600mah atm

[jim76]

firstly, don't listen to a single word Stampede has said, he is simply a basher and can't built a car right to save his life.

The kit spring on the madrat is fairly strong so even when backed off completely it still puts a lot of pressure on the slipper. One trick is to lock the slipper up fully and leave it for a few days when you aren't using the car. When you take the car back out, back the slipper off and you will find that the spring has compressed slightly, giving you more adjustment range.
No need to change the slipper, the madrat one will work ok if set correctly.

As for weight, my Rat weighed in at around 1700g with a lipo. I have arounf 200g at the front end, under steering rack, on servo etc. I also have a bit more weight in the chassis side pods, and the steel t plate adds extra weight too.

If you are running at 1500g with a lipo and brushless then you will probably wheelie on high grip.

What motor/gearing are you running? you may be able to go up a tooth or two to take away some punch. Also reduce your speedo punch setting to a lower one if it has one?

[saintnitro]

cheers for everyones help.
jim76 i'm running stock spur gear and 21tooth pion with 9t ez-run i've got the punch set at 60% at the moment but will try the spring idea first if that don't work i will turn the punch down.

once again i'm very gratefull for all your help

Ginge

[stampede vxlboy]

keep your comment to yourself jim76:(

[bigred5765]

its a open forum he has a right to comment, the only person thats gets to say no to a comment appearing is Mr oople,and you are not in a good enough position to give out advice, you ask more advice on here than any one else, so are not good enough to hand it out,sorry don't take this as a insult just stating the obvious,
O and you dont race you are a basher

[Paulmay79]

its a open forum he has a right to comment, the only person thats gets to say no to a comment appearing is Mr oople,and you are not in a good enough position to give out advice, you ask more advice on here than any one else, so are not good enough to hand it out,sorry don't take this as a insult just stating the obvious,
O and you dot race you are a basher


I bash too does that also mean that my input is not valid??

[bigred5765]

do you ask loads of question don't take the advice given, then try to hand out advice?? try reading my post properly????

[Paulmay79]

I did mate just give the guy a break, yes he doesnt listen and asks the most stupid of quetions. Then when he trys to pass on info that he himself will have been told at some time by some one on here he gets ripped for it. just leave him alone. And i would think about your attitude when answering folks as i dont know you and i just think your an arrogant tool. Its only a forum about rc not brain dynamics!

[saintnitro]

cough!cough!;)

Ginge

[Paulmay79]

yeah sorry dude it just needed to be said!

[saintnitro]

no worries:D:thumbsup:

Ginge

[Paulmay79]

Hows the t holding up??

[saintnitro]

sweet as a nut mate i'm loving it cheers mate:thumbsup:

Ginge

[migsy]

Hows the t holding up??

cracking bit of kit paul. ;)

1 very happy rat-boy.:thumbsup:

[bigred5765]

I did mate just give the guy a break, yes he doesnt listen and asks the most stupid of quetions. Then when he trys to pass on info that he himself will have been told at some time by some one on here he gets ripped for it. just leave him alone. And i would think about your attitude when answering folks as i dont know you and i just think your an arrogant tool. Its only a forum about rc not brain dynamics!

no one was picking on him read my original post i did say don't take offense im not picking on you,i have given him loads of advice myself,what he is doing was giving out bad advice that going to cost someone money or time or both thats wrong,if your unsure or don't know what your talking about don't say out,and let the people that know for sure answer for you,im not a arrogant tool if you had read my post properly which you obviously didn't, you would have realized i Said to him he shouldn't comment thats all,the guy asking the question was talking about car weight and racing,and the guys old enough to defend him self if he needs to,which he does quiet well :thumbsup:

[saintnitro]

are we wondering of the garden path again~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:woot:
sorry could'nt help myself:woot:

Ginge

[bigred5765]

sorry back on track mad rat/xpro ideal weight???

[stampede vxlboy]

this is stampedes mrs do ya know as far as i was concerned this site was about giving n taking advice and about racing also he doesnt just bash he does race he just doesnt big himself up about it like so many ppl on here do yawn zzzzzzz
he was trying to offer advice so dont rip him yh this is an open forum so i got a right to my opinion too YEAH
for a long time little boy racer wannabes have been taking the rip out of simon for everything he says ive read it its like been back in playground again
oh and by the way half of the time hes asking for advice for my 14 year old son on his behalf sometimes my son writes it
plus i have built a car from a kit myself and do repairs etc
im sure half of you lot werent clued up at first and took advice made mistakes etc
SO BACK OFF LEAVE THE LAD ALONE GET A GRIP AND PICK ON SOME ONE ELSE YEAH
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE THE FEW IM ON ABOUT
MY 5 YEAR OLD NO IN FACT MY 2 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER ACTS MORE GROWN UP LOL :lol::lol:
and if you all was that good you would own a rc shop and none of you do so you cant be that good too

[saintnitro]

Garden path~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:confused: where did it go i know its around here some where:confused:



GINGE

[stampede vxlboy]

what are you on :woot:

[saintnitro]

well i ask for some adivce and and a couple of people have been helpful by bring some advice and coming to my aid:thumbsup:
Then there's others that just want to bitch and winge and just take the piss:mad: if you lot want to argue and bitch slap each other pm each other and stop doing it on peoples threads.......

i'm sorry for having ago its not in my nature have ago but every time i see someone as added to the thread i think its some helpful adivce not BITCHING:mad:

Ginge

[stampede vxlboy]

i did not start it like the other did, if you have a look i was telling you what people told me that all ,if they was telling you that i dont know about buggy. a got all my info off this site so they must all be wrong too then

[ConceptRacing]

Im going sell the telly, this is better than any soap any day, wheres me biscuits and tea? mmm comfy settee settle back and watch the new soap Oople street!!! or should it be Oople-enders

[mikeyscott]

Running a model shop, err no thanks doesn't pay enough..

The only thing I would like everyone to do on this forum..

Check your spelling and use of English before posting as some of the misunderstandings are down to poor English. (Yes I know I'm quilty of this at times). Some of the English here is shocking!

Im going sell the telly, this is better than any soap any day, wheres me biscuits and tea? mmm comfy settee settle back and watch the new soap Oople street!!! or should it be Oople-enders

LOL

Anyway back on topic in getting Ginge's slipper clutch sorted as it looked like a handful last weekend.

[stampede vxlboy]

Im going sell the telly, this is better than any soap any day, wheres me biscuits and tea? mmm comfy settee settle back and watch the new soap Oople street!!! or should it be Oople-enders at your price for the kit and alloy parts why are you dearer than anybody else that sell ansmann kit and parts etc :confused:

[saintnitro]

Running a model shop, err no thanks doesn't pay enough..

The only thing I would like everyone to do on this forum..

Check your spelling and use of English before posting as some of the misunderstandings are down to poor English. (Yes I know I'm quilty of this at times). Some of the English here is shocking!



LOL

Anyway back on topic in getting Ginge's slipper clutch sorted as it looked like a handful last weekend.


cheers mike

[Dazzler]

Running a model shop, err no thanks doesn't pay enough..

The only thing I would like everyone to do on this forum..

Check your spelling and use of English before posting as some of the misunderstandings are down to poor English. (Yes I know I'm quilty of this at times). Some of the English here is shocking!



LOL

Anyway back on topic in getting Ginge's slipper clutch sorted as it looked like a handful last weekend.


Classic...:woot: you've got to laugh, given the topic you were writing about.. :thumbsup:

Ginge,

I don't have a madrat, but I have looked at the manual. There's a diagram showing that when the slipper is assembled, there is an 18mm (Approximate) distance from the outer face of the slipper to the end of the layshaft. (Pg 9 on the copy I have)

Have you checked to see if the protrusion of your layshaft, is infact around this length? If it isn't, then you may be unable to slacken the slipper sufficiently without it all falling to pieces.

Just something for you to check out incase there is a quality issue here with the parts, could easily happen.

Another thing to check, would be that the slipper pads located in the spur are protruding above the moulding of the spur gear, thus ensuring the slipper pads are the only part in contact with the 'Slipper Hubs' as called in the manual.

The slipper is such a simple assembly, it's hard to see how it could be assembled incorrectly hence my two suggestions.

[jim76]

its a open forum he has a right to comment, the only person thats gets to say no to a comment appearing is Mr oople,and you are not in a good enough position to give out advice, you ask more advice on here than any one else, so are not good enough to hand it out,sorry don't take this as a insult just stating the obvious,
O and you dont race you are a basher

Spot on Carl, and practically word for word what i put in a PM to him. Bad advice can lead beginners to give up on the hobby so it is important they are pointed in the right direction.

Ginge, try the spring trick see if it helps. If not then i think you can move up to a 22/23 pinion as i run a 20/21 on a 6.5
That might help dull the initial take off. Add a few more grams around the front and middle so your car is up around the 1600g mark.
If none of that helps then start reducing the punch on your speedo in 5 or 10% increments. I haven't used your model of speedo so i'm not sure what a typical setting is.

[stampede vxlboy]

been funny all the time .i am new to buggy s and you was naste to me. boyracers like you never pointed me the right way at all mate you just took the p---

[Col]

been funny all the time .i am new to buggy s and you was naste to me. boyracers like you never pointed me the right way at all mate you just took the p---

That's exactly why your advise should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[mikeyscott]

Exacty. And please check your spelling etc. before posting.

Anyway I am checking out of this thread.

Ginge if you are racing on the 7th pop over.

[jim76]

Stampy, read back through all your early threads and i think you will see I offered plenty of useful advice. Sadly you took none of it and in fact did the opposite in many cases. That is why I (and most others) have lost interest in helping you.

Do us all a favour and take your car to a track or shop next time you have a problem and let people SHOW you what is wrong instead of trying to describe it in words.

[bodgit]

I would say about 75% of the time its far better to get actual hands on advice at the track or shop. Sometimes by just asking advice on a forum you may not give all the relevent details needed for a cure or be able to fully understand the advice given.
If someone experienced can physically show you then you will have 1000% better understanding of what to do in the future plus any other errors you may not have noticed would be picked up on.

[stampede vxlboy]

there not that hard once you no how to fix them at all .there just diffrent to work on to my trucks that all , and i fix the madrat from a kit and my b4 took it all to bits and started it from scratch and that running like a dream

[sparrow.2]

and i fix the madrat from a kit and my b4 took it all to bits and started it from scratch and that running like a dream

The madrat you hated, then bought a B4 which doesn't brake and whose diff slips incessantly, then started saying the madrat was the best...

At least be consistent :D

As long as they run like a dream :thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

i sorted them out mate its was just nowing how to fix them and its easy now i no how to fix them and both buggy run like a dream smooth as hell and nice to drive

[saintnitro]

Spot on Carl, and practically word for word what i put in a PM to him. Bad advice can lead beginners to give up on the hobby so it is important they are pointed in the right direction.

Ginge, try the spring trick see if it helps. If not then i think you can move up to a 22/23 pinion as i run a 20/21 on a 6.5
That might help dull the initial take off. Add a few more grams around the front and middle so your car is up around the 1600g mark.
If none of that helps then start reducing the punch on your speedo in 5 or 10% increments. I haven't used your model of speedo so i'm not sure what a typical setting is.

cheers mate i will give that a go thanks:thumbsup:
mike i will see you on the 7th

cheers all (Well not all:woot:)

Ginge