doesn´t sound good to me...

[lud]

Statement aus einem anderen Forum


ich habe gerade mit GERD, Mr. Durango himself telefoniert!!!!

er hat nichts damit zu tun! Ein Fahrer hatte einfach einen durango vom gerd
bekommen und ist die letzten 3 jahre für ihn gefahren!

jetzt hätte die familie beschlossen das auto unter anderem namen zu bauen,
ohne gerd darüber zu informieren!
die haben das projekt einfach von gerd gestohlen!!!!

in dem prototypen auto sind sogar noch viele teile, die schwer zu fertigen sind vom
ursprünglichen durango verbaut: gerd hat sofort seine handarbeit wiedererkannt!
lenkung, motorträger, slipper, kardans, radträger....

sehr lächerlich das ganze - gerd hat aber schon rechtliche schritte eingeleitet!!!!!!


I don´t know if that is the truth, but defenitaly sounds curious.

[philly]

My german isn't awesome but the gist is...
Somebody has found a post on another forum saying that they have been in conversation on the phonw with 'Gerd' (who built the Durango I think) and that Gerd said that a driver he had working for him for 3 years took away (stole) some prototypes and is looking to sell the resultant product.
Apparently the steering and suspension are easilly recognisable along with some other parts that I can't translate!
I#m not commenting on this, I just thought the translation might be interesting.:wtf:

[Teddy truman]

Statement out of one of other forum

I have just spoke with GERD, Mr. Durango himself on the telephone!!!!

It has nothing there with to do! A driver had got simply got a durango of gerd and has driven it for the last 3 years!

Now the family have concluded to construct the car among other things name, without informing gerd about that! Thay stole the
project simply of gerd!!!!

In the prototype car, even yet many are would divide built in to make that heavily of the original durango: gerd recognized immediately its handwork! Control, motor carrier, slipper, kardans, wheel carrier
...

Very laughably the entire - however already legal has would step initiated gerd!!

almost a good translation.
what forum is it from?

[lud]

from rcweb.de and offroad cult.

we will see.

[lud]

from rcweb.de and offroad cult.

we will see.

[Bathy]

Bit odd, no idea if any of this is correct but based on what’s been said (If I put my ‘business’ hat on for a second), unless Gerd has patents in place then there is little you can do, that’s the harsh reality of the world.

Edit: Font was tiny!

[Mrs oOple]

This is the official statement from Gerd:

http://www.redrc.net/2007/04/gerd-strenge-official-statement/

[Nick Goodall]

I have no idea what the truth is in all of this, but I bet he wishes he had released it now, someone was bound to duplicate it as some point as so many people wanted to run this car!

[dave g]

from neo-buggy,just saw it this morning.

http://www.neobuggy.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2148

[JCJC]

:eh?: Drive it like you stole it !!:eh?:

[rich_cree]

oh dear

[Teddy truman]

how is it be stolen? have they not just made there own version????:confused: they have stressed its not a durango......:eh?:

[Nick Goodall]

Whether it is or isn't "stolen" or copied, as Bathy said the only thing that matters is if Mr Durango patented the design or not - if he didn't then this is all nonsence anyway and i'm sure a lot of people will still be happy to run this car.

[rich_cree]

not really, if they are using his name and company to endorse/promote their product then thats very illegal I believe...

[Nick Goodall]

Yeah i have to agree that if they've used his name anywhere to promote it then that is something they'll have to back track on but surely the physical design of the car can be copied by anyone unless he did patent that alone?

[Wraggy]

we are all speculating here of whats going on , but until we here form Mr aero himself we only know one side of the story ..
it may well be that Gerd did agree to things but has now realised how popular this car is going to be and wants some recompense for it??? ..
im sure time will tell .
be interested in what lee has to say on the matter though ..

[Teddy truman]

im just intrested to find out who it was that gerd sold up to then? might have been aero under a different name/ person??? because he did say in that interview thing he sold or summit in jan 2007, and aero claim thats when they got it????

[Nick Goodall]

I've told Lee about it, he'll be on shortly i'm sure.

I think Bob's the only one that can really explain but i can imagine in this sort of situation people have to be careful what is said.

I'm sure it'll all get resolved anyway, let's see what happens!

[Lee Martin]

hi all,

im afriad i have not a clue whats going on..............................

i have woken up to read this.

all i can say is that bob is a very good business man and is very above bored when it comes to deals, i was even told Gerd phoned him after tiverton to send congrats. so until everything is sorted through them i dunno....

if its a nasty rumour or someone becoming jealous i feel sorry for aero, as it has already intailed a bad name???

lee

[Nick Goodall]

I'm sure everything will all be fine dude, wait for Bob to confirm i guess?

Still, if the car was no good it wouldn't raise so much interest (no publicity is bad remember) :cool:

Fingers crossed anyway, i'm sure it'll be fine.

[Teddy truman]

Lee you should not have said that.:o




now everyone knows what time you get up lol lazy boy!!!!:cool::D

[DCM]

Man, this smacks of sour grapes to be honest, he did sell the concept in January 2007, but not to Aero...s o who did he sell it to? Was it under patent or patent pending?

And they have stated that the car ISNT a Durango, and a new car, so they ain't exactly using the Durango name to sell it, merely to point out that it isn't one.

[Nick Goodall]

Lee you should not have said that.:o




now everyone knows what time you get up lol lazy boy!!!!:cool::D

And it was only because i woke him up :D

[Teddy truman]

you woke the beast aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


i think this should all be settled with school yard rules lol ;)


:Dfight fight fight fight fight :D

[Lee Martin]

fight fight fight!

[Nick Goodall]

you woke the beast aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


i think this should all be settled with school yard rules lol ;)


:Dfight fight fight fight fight :D

Sod that - Buunnndddlllllleee

[Oscar]

Quote" Gerd Strenge states, that he has actually sold the Durango project to another company at the start of 2007"

If this is correct, are we to believe the "Durango" will be marketed officially by someone else :confused:

Where does that leave Aero ??

[Teddy truman]

Sod that - Buunnndddlllllleee


who do we bundle? lol lol :D

[SPRCIAL AGENT]

Even if they did copy the car (not saying that they have) its not like it have never been done before Lots of companies take other cars, run them, make parts for them and make it better. Then make a car and sell it. Don't you think that the HB looks a little like the Jconcepts car. The yokomo also has a stunt double out there...

The Fact is that Aero know what is going on and so will Gerd.

[Elliott Hopkins]

I've had a think about this situation. For starters it's a horrible situation. But how secret would the Aero group have to be for Mr. Durango to not notice that an 'homage' to his design was being designed, built and tested in the next country over. Surely given how competitive it is, it would need a lot of testing at tracks in front of people who would surely have got off a few 'spy shots' that would be on the innernet in hours. Or at the very least rumour and 'buzz' would be generated about the car. Why has he chosen now to release the statement?

Elliott.

[loose]

And it was only because i woke him up :D

Did he steal the duvet or something? ;)

Just how close are you 2? Is he your special friend.?

(dutch voice) he ish my partner, AND my lover.

:D

[Garry]

Its not only the design thats close (or the same as) the Durango, its the fact that Aero are saying that it has full backing from Gerd when clearly, it hasn't.

As stated previously, thats very illegal, if I was Aero I'd be on the phone to some very good solicitors ASAP.

[Nick Goodall]

Did he steal the duvet or something? ;)

Just how close are you 2? Is he your special friend.?

(dutch voice) he ish my partner, AND my lover.

:D

Sorry to crush your little fantasy but i actually called him to let him know (just to clear it up) :D

[Nick Goodall]

Its not only the design thats close (or the same as) the Durango, its the fact that Aero are saying that it has full backing from Gerd when clearly, it hasn't.

As stated previously, thats very illegal, if I was Aero I'd be on the phone to some very good solicitors ASAP.

"if" that's true of course...... until Bob / Aero explain it's all speculation really.

[spenner]

It would be great for someone at Aero to comment on all this, i only say that as i have looked at pre order list and im pretty sure by the name thats on there this will end up becoming stupid!!!
It has taken long time for all this to come out ???

[PTRU]

old man been let out again
Tis a slow day today

I am sure Aero is working very hard to sort the problem out indeed if there is one, It is a shame that the subject has been put in the public domain this sort of thing should happen behind closed doors, between the partys involved.

[Aero Racing]

To everyone who is interested,


This is a one time reaction on the multiple posts that have been spread today about the Aero Company. We were very surprised to see these kinds of accusations on the internet. As you all know the internet is a fantastic medium but it can also be abused in an awful way, this last thing is what happened today. As you probably saw there were accusations about stealing a car and abusing someone’s name as a designer. In the normal world it’s appropriate that you first find some prove and then accuse someone of something, but when you do this in a decent and civilized way you do this in front of a court, and not via the internet (were everybody can post what he/she wants).

We leave some questions open so that the people themselves can think about these:

This is a brand new company, it takes a lot of guts and a lot of thinking and studying to get something started in the real world (especially the r/c world). It also costs a lot of money! Would someone take the risk of losing all their invested money and their honour by stealing something and start a business on this basis?

This project is supported by a University; do you think a University approves a project in 5 minutes? Without checking how businesses and contracts are arranged? Don’t you think with this kind of projects you have to persuade a jury to get their support?

If you where in the shoes of the designer and (suppose) you saw your car that was being built by someone else (suppose: without an agreement) and winning a big race, would you wait 2 weeks until the pre-order list (with a lot of orders!) is online to react and claim it has been stolen?

We find this a very sad business that all the websites are making this public without checking out the information (which is very heavy accusations and trying to destroy a young and ambitious company).

We try to handle business in a way of decency and moral ethics. Accusations, lies and jealousy are not part of that; this kind of proper business seems to be odd to some. We also want to say that websites and reporters are due to have a moral code which involves a check and double check of their sources before making any news public, we hope every reporter has done this. Spreading news that isn’t true is also illegal. We hope everyone who spread the rumour will have the decency to put this letter online.

We know who put this onto the net and we wish them a lot of luck in the future. We can only say that this is not our way of doing business and we won’t participate in that low level of business. If someone is thinking they are in their rights they can always go to court, we on the other hand try to answer on the race track and building proper cars for serious racers.




Best regards,

Aero racing

[grumpy]

Aero company have replied to all you doubters
goes to show what a good company they will be to deal with in the future
and I wish them every success in their venture

[mattym0310]

there is one thing. on this forum you are adament that the car is not a durango and is completely different and developed yet on your website it said it is a durango but with a different name quoted.... "Actually nothing will change except the name. SAME CAR - DIFFERENT NAME" [that was before the text was changed] also you said you werent aloud to call it a durango because of the jeep car [also suggesting it is the same car just different name]. you say... "First of all it's not a dublicate! The concept idea is the same but the car will be in graphite with alu parts . Secondly we've made a lot of changes to the car, the steering is different, major changes to the geometrie (front and rear) etc..." even after saying it is the same car. its all very confusing.

then you also say.. to add to the arguement about buying rights or not buying rights.. "But we don't need to defend anything I guess, we bought the rights on the car and used the concept, quite simple
We talked about the idea with Gerd and if he was interested selling the designs, he agreed. That's how it all started..."

i also just noticed gerd's name is on the pre-order list :o [but im guessing someone is putting them on to start specualtion]

[Elliott Hopkins]

I'm not going to start a thread to say this but, crazy old day huh, I bet the site's server could barely cope with all the traffic. I may or may not have been glued to Oople.com all day at work.

All I know is that there is a cracking new car out there whoever owns it.

[philly]

I hope all is fine, the car looks awesome after all.

One question though. With all those potential pre orders looming, how can prospective buyers be sure of getting their kits, or even spares and warranty back up, should a long legal battle ensue.

Time will tell. But one thing is for sure, it's a bit more saucy than the usual 'which is better, Associated or Losi' debates!!!:D

[TRF_Tastic]

Jesus, Amen to the saucyness, this is right up there with extra hot horseradish with a side garnish of Scotch bonnets served on a bed of English mustard!!!

I just think the car looks cool and good luck to them.