Kidderminster National - May 12th + 13th 2007.

[Mrs oOple]

There's one week to go before round 2 of the national championship series, at Kidderminster Model Car Club, May 12th and 13th 2007.
Is everyone prepared? I think the tyre debate has calmed down now, so what else to discuss? Who's looking hot on the track (I'm thinking Yardy is heading for a good result, among other top competitors of course)?
Once again lets hope the weather is kind to us like it was at Tivvy, made a nice change not to be freezing our socks off.
Is everyone sorted out for travel plans? And are many people still awaiting confirmation of race entry?

[Kopite]

I take it most people are camping for this one?

[Mrs oOple]

I'm not sure... has anyone found any decent room rates at hotels nearby?

[Wraggy]

well im still currently 8th res 2wd and 5th in 4wd so may not be in this one ...:(
im going for a 4wd S4 win with Doughty on this one....
and Cragg or Martin 2wd...

[Kopite]

I'm not sure... has anyone found any decent room rates at hotels nearby?

Why? Chickening out on the camping? :D

[losixxx]

weather doesnt look too good

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/7days.asp

rain rain and more rain.....spare room with double bed available at my house to highest bidder's :D :D

[emzy]

weather.co.uk says -

Friday - cloudy (high of 15C)
Saturday - showers (high of 16C)
Sunday - scattered showers (high of 17C)

Brrrr. :(

Ready to get beaten again Chris?! :D

[Kopite]

yeah, i heard that it's going to rain as well, although it is still a week away. Suppose we've had a lot of good weather recently, we are due a rainy one!!

[Wraggy]

RAIN !!!! seperates the Men from the Boys ......
or in your case em Womem from the girlzzz :p

[losixxx]

bring it on em:D

[emzy]

Rain.... makes Em miserable, and things muddy, and soggy.

[ashleyb4]

Ive got to make my sandwiches, put all my guff in the volvo then buy some tyres.

A

[neiloliver]

rain + kiddy = :(

I bet i will get the marshall point at the top of a hill so i can slide down and break my back...

That field is also very small.. took me 3 hours to get out last year because i was not racing sunday and wanted to go home...

Still a great track though, cant wait. Always love kiddy

N

[Wraggy]

Ive got to make my sandwiches, put all my guff in the volvo then buy some tyres.

A
your still on the reserve list arnt you ash ...

[millzy]

I like kiddy in the rain, its easyer i find, to much sun and all that rubber = megga traction on the bottom right sections and grip roll and rolls.

the x5 is ready, did that the monday after the marsdon mid west regional as i knew i couldnt make the next 4wd regional

2wd ive got the new top shaft sorter ackerman ball stud and ally shock bushings to fit ,and then shes done

[Bathy]

Rain??? Bugga, where's the Travelodge number...

[emzy]

Rain??? Bugga, where's the Travelodge number...

WUSS.

[Bathy]

WUSS.

You have to pay in advance now at Travelodge!!! BOO, I will check the weather next week, but tents and rain don't mix... ever!

[neiloliver]

Can anyone help me with a set-up for Kiddy? I said I like it there but that is more to do with the organisation and the venue.. i always have problems setting the car up, especially getting it into a straight line as you come onto the straight, whatever the weather i end up fish tailing it down the main straight, it cant just be my application of power...

Help !? Stan?

N

[Wraggy]

try this if its raining or even if its dry ???
http://www.cmldistribution.co.uk/product/B4FT/setups/Neil_Cragg_Kiddy_Wet.pdf

[losixxx]

interesting to see he was using pink spike's!

don't think we will be able to use bb front spike 2wd as there discontinued so will have to be green schue if its wet

[millzy]

thats the set up i started on at the last winter round and the set up i will start next weekend on

as for the entry issue, im the same i find very little steering is needed untill you hit the loop and then gun it hard and add steering and drift almost near or on the grass

there is better ways

[millzy]

interesting to see he was using pink spike's!

yeah i think most the top guys did at the start of the last winter, i think it was lawson who went to yellows frist and then every one followed

JUST TO ADD

remember its 4wd fronts they where runnig as BB dont make 2wd fronts
and the brca rules state tyres must be commercially available so 2wd front BB spikes I believe will not be aloud.

I mounted my BB 4wd fronts the same as we did the losi 4wd front @ tivy on my 2wd

[Kopite]

What are u asking me for? I'm shit at Kiddy!!

However, fishtailing on the straight is pretty easy to do Neil, so yeah, you've gotta feed the power really smoothly!

The link that Wraggy just posted will probably do the trick as well

[Wraggy]

i dont think ive ever fishtailed down there and my thumbs made of lead !!!! :D :D

[Wraggy]

I mounted my BB 4wd fronts the same as we did the losi 4wd front @ tivy on my 2wd

oohhh what a clever boy ... :D :D ;)

[bigred5765]

I'm not sure... has anyone found any decent room rates at hotels nearby?

try the innkeepers lodge about 5-6 miles away £45 a nigh and free breakfast cant beet that for value,
http://www.innkeeperslodge.com/lodgedetailsmall.asp?INNID=SUMK

hope it helps

[Mrs oOple]

Thanks for that Carl. I usually look out for the travelodge deals, 15 or 26 pounds per night, although they do have to be booked quite far in advance to get the best deals, and don't include breakfast, although many places don't start serving breakfast until after we have to set off to the track.

[Chrislong]

Me and Greenwood are booked into the Hartlebury Travellodge, its where we stayed last year. But if forecast is wrong and weather appears to be dry, we are both tempted to camp.

Im ready for Kidderminster now, have both cars setup rather well for Bury which should be a good setup to start at Kiddy on, and I have plenty of Schumacher Yellows if dry.... I won't buy BB tires til required, I hate it when I gamble and get it wrong. I have enough 1 run BB (old compound) green spikes to start the day on anyway.

Chris

[Stu]

remember its 4wd fronts they where runnig as BB dont make 2wd fronts
and the brca rules state tyres must be commercially available so 2wd front BB spikes I believe will not be aloud.


Chris dude, surely any front is allowed, as long as it's not a cut & shut?
Or do I need to re-check my rule book (again)?

Or is it, like, as-in Girls Aloud?

[Northy]

Or is it, like, as-in Girls Aloud?

What? You would do any of them but the ginger one? :confused: :confused:

G

[Stu]

Rule 23.7 - Hmm, looks like the Welsh Spelling Champion may be correct.

As for the ginger one - oh yes.

[losixxx]

stu bb 2wd front will NOT be allowed according to the rule's of being commercially available

[Kopite]

What? You would do any of them but the ginger one? :confused: :confused:

Can't be that fussy in this day and age!!;)

[Stu]

I quite like gingers. I thought that ginger was second best spice.

[Northy]

I quite like gingers. I thought that ginger was second best spice.

I bet you thought Baby Spice was "bestest Spice I'd like to hunker hunker...." didn't you? ;)

G

[bigred5765]

Gingers you say,
hmm
and whats wrong with gingers, even though I'm going white, round the sides

[jimmy]

I read that commercially available thing as ONCE were commercially available.

[Chrislong]

(Quoted exactly from the handbook)

Page 40, rule 23.7
Wheels and tyres must conform as follows:-

No form of metal or plastic spike, tubes or anything similar to be attached to the tyres. Maximum diameter allowed is 90mm front and rear. Only commercially available wheels and tyres may be used.


This wording is not past tense, its talking current by the grammar although it doesn't specifically state "Currently Commercially Available" or "...Available on 1st April 2007" or anything to that effect.

This discussion needs to be confirmed by Paul Worsley or Phil Truman before anybody presumes wrongly.

Chris

[PaulRotheram]

Any shops going to be there with pleanty of tyres in stock? this forecast is all crazeh, id prefer to buy tyres on the weekend if possible.

[Northy]

Will Paul or Phil also be able to confirm which really was the bestest Spice girl too? :confused: :confused:

G

[Chrislong]

Will Paul or Phil also be able to confirm which really was the bestest Spice girl too? :confused: :confused:

G

Well it is important, i'll check the handbook.

[Mrs oOple]

I'm sure they will be able to Northy, either a reply in this thread or perhaps e-mail the question to them? I'd say ask both of them, just for most accuracy.

[Northy]

Message to Mrs oOple......

**Puts on best Lard (as in Mark and Lard - genius ex Radio 1 double act....)**

"GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!!"

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[jimmy]

Yeah I know Chris :D But is says commercially available, doesn't mention production. My assumption is that it's to stop people (top drivers) running 'special' one-off tyres that only that team has access to.
I don't assume it is to stop people using up old tyres.

[Northy]

My assumption is that it's to stop people (top drivers) running 'special' one-off tyres that only that team has access to.

Like the front Losi studs they all used to use in the wet that were never on a parts list? :confused: :confused: :o :o :eh?: :eh?:

G

[Mrs oOple]

"GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!!"

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Thanks Northy, I needed that little reminder.
*concentrating mode ON*

[Chrislong]

Good point Jimmy.

I was forgetting the fact that commercially available does not necessaryilyly mean still being made. It could mean 1 shop has bought 100 pairs - and therefore commercially available beyond the end of the production run. BUt there is no mention of quantity in 23.7, so a shop could attend with 1 pair = that 1 pair is commercially available is it not?

This rule 23.7 seems to be a black hole, I think the only tyres I would be certain of not being able to use are cut and shuts and prototype tyre only made available to that manufacturers team drivers.... :wtf:

(very) :confused: So, if this rule did get tweaked to become specific, it would be a nightmare to police it!

[jimmy]

Never mind tyres, think about all those illegal wheels at Tiverton ! ;) Mentioning no names of course! hehe

[modelimages]

i will be there with tyres and everything else, any body wanting stuff bringing let me know
john

[Stu]

I have asked the question on email.

It's a hazy area.

I suspect the anwer will come back as,

1 - Baby
2 - Ginger
Joint 5th - The two mingers and the lezza one.

[super__dan]

Whilst I agree this is an area Paul/Phil will have to confirm, people were running 2wd front BB spikes (pink I assume) at Tiverton so by precedent (if that counts) they should be allowed???

[Stu]

I've not got a reply yet, but we can only assune that Baby will be #1.

There may be a chance that Paul is more of a Shirley Bassey type however, maybe Sandy Shaw would be in with a chance.

Lulu?

[Chrislong]

Stu, step away from the beer.

[Oscar]

Also to consider, with this now being very much a global sport, if a tyre is sold and readily available in one country, but not neccessarily here in the UK, it is "commercially available" but would it be accepted as legal?

I think essentially if one shop still has stock of a tyre freely for sale to the general public it constitutes "commercially available", however how can this be policed?

[Kopite]

any update on the fittest spice girl?

...and the tyres?

[matdodd]

To you mate its got to be Ginger spice! Maybe with one bad eye :D

[andy reeves]

Looking forward to racing Sunday. I always like racing at Kiddy. I am hoping it is going to be dry so can run shumachar yellows but will by others on the day if the rain does decide to fall.

Car is vertually ready just got to rebuild the front end as had some sort of binding at Oswestry in the final and the front diff now sounds a bit gritty :o

[neiloliver]

Weather forecast looks mixed for the weekend.. sun and showers... might mix things up a bit....

Phil Channon in the A again? :)

N

[emzy]

Please don't rain.

[millzy]

Id rather rain than the snow you guys had.

[Doomanic]

Any shops going to be there with pleanty of tyres in stock? this forecast is all crazeh, id prefer to buy tyres on the weekend if possible.

Yes, DCRacing will be there with a full range of tyres.

[Southwell]

What tyres for 2wd in wet, pink bb's all round? You got the full selection then Dom? :)

[losixxx]

BB green spikes rear schu green spike front for 2wd

[Southwell]

BB green spikes rear schu green spike front for 2wd

Cheers Chris, what about 4wd?

[SPRCIAL AGENT]

Never mind tyres, think about all those illegal wheels at Tiverton ! ;) Mentioning no names of course! hehe
What do you mean by illedal wheels. I know that some people cut the inside gruve off but is that not ok???

[SPRCIAL AGENT]

Also you should be ok to run the bb 2wd tire as some people could run losi 6 row step in at tiv and I ran proline m3 stubbies on the 4wd andthat was ok by Paul. I think that the rule is to stop odd and special compounds coming out to the team drivers.

[andy05]

Are the bb greens people have in stock the old (good) compound or new(bad) or is there a new(good)batch:o

[jimmy]

Thanks for that info mr Barton - just as I'd imagined.

[Doomanic]

According to CML (the current distributor for BB) 2WD fronts are discontinued.

[jimmy]

Good job I have a few pairs then! Having said that, they have far too much grip for me anyway :D

[ashleyb4]

IM anonyed i ordered schumacher yellows on saterday now it rains the day they arrive:(

A

[jimmy]

I ran yellows last year, right laugh in the rain. :eh?:

[Rob]

Doesn't look too bad for Saturday now, looks like chance of just some small showers with sunshine inbetween, getting better throughout the day.

Sunday looks like rain in the afternoon.

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?zipcode=kidderminster

[PaulRotheram]

I need some good directions to the track, theres no postcode..the one on the site is apparently not the track and my tom tom wont accept the map refference.

Or using the postcode.. can anyone tell me where to go after ive arrived?

the info page supplied with my nat entry is very vague on directions.. not too good.

[emzy]

the info page supplied with my nat entry is very vague on directions.. not too good.

You big wuss, buy a map... we've managed on a map with the given directions for years! The only bit that used to catch us out was the dual carriageway at the end... I think we went up and down about 5 times the first year!

[PaulRotheram]

a map is a distraction for my driving, id end up in a hedge :D id prefer mr-t shouting at me to go which way.. much more fun.

i pitty the fool, turn around!

[Southwell]

You big wuss, buy a map... we've managed on a map with the given directions for years! The only bit that used to catch us out was the dual carriageway at the end... I think we went up and down about 5 times the first year!

Thats not why it takes so long then? ;)

[Stu]

The instruction sheet supplied this year seems to be an cut-down version.
Has anyone got a preivious years version, the one with the blurb about the bend in the road.
I suspect it will help Paul.

[emzy]

Road? Bend? Eh?!

I haven't even seen this year's info... it "vanished" just before Tiverton...!

[losixxx]

just don't use google's new map service for direction's

1. Go to www.google.co.uk

2. Click on 'maps'.

3. Click on 'get directions'.

4. Go from " Atlanta " to " Paris , France ".

5. Scroll down in the directions to number 22.:o

[emzy]

That just made me literally laugh out loud... LOUDLY! :D

[Chrislong]

Erm, I have been trying to find a map online, doesn't seem to be one for it. I had previously had it saved in my favourites in Tom Tom but I have upgraded software and lost it now.

BUT, i have saved the location for Hartlebury Travelodge and know the way to the track from there.

The entry stuff states it is on the A451..... soooo, if you go to Travellodge website and view the Multimap for the location, then all you need to do is drive 5 miles to the A451 and turn right on to it, then the track is on the left.

Aaaaaah, also, there is a Fitness First Gym accross the carriageway from the track, if you can find the address for that on the website and put it in your Sat Nav - Hey presto!!!

Chris

[Chrislong]

Kidderminster Fitness First
Foley Grove
Foley Park, Stourport Road
Kidderminster
DY11 7PT

http://www.multimap.com/maps/#t=l&map=52.35707,-2.27224|16|4&loc=GB:52.36191:-2.26497:16|dy11%207pt|DY11%207PT

Right, following this link (Multimap.com search for DY11 7PT). Zoom in on the map, on the A451 from the circle for Fitness First, head South and just as the carriageway split into two lanes is approx where the track is (use Aerial view and you can just about make out the track here). OK, so in a car from there, you'll need to drive south from there on the A451 and you'll see a lane fork off from the carriageway for a chance to turn around - so go back and head north again up the A451 as the track will then be on your left.

Easy.

[PaulRotheram]

thanks all, my chances of getting lost have been reduced. :p

[Rob]

So it's on the Northbound A451 just before Walter Nash Road West?

[Rob]

Well it's my first national, anything thats done different to regionals?

I gather cars are scruitineered before and after races, so before is it just a matter of it quickly being weighed and checked for width then after the race you leave it with them while you marshall the next race?

[Wraggy]

cars only get scruitineered before the race and after your race you just take it back with you, transmitters are held in a compound so you only have them when you race.
you get 2 practice sessions which are both 2 mins long ??? maybe 2 and half mins cant remember now .

[Rob]

So each heat gets a round of 2 / 2.5 minutes practise, then another round of the same, then straight into qualifying?

[Kopite]

just don't use google's new map service for direction's

1. Go to www.google.co.uk (http://www.google.co.uk)

2. Click on 'maps'.

3. Click on 'get directions'.

4. Go from " Atlanta " to " Paris , France ".

5. Scroll down in the directions to number 22.:o


that's just so funny!!:D

[Wraggy]

So each heat gets a round of 2 / 2.5 minutes practise, then another round of the same, then straight into qualifying?
Yeah thats right Rob ..

[ashleyb4]

Ive stayed in that hotel chris it was nice but you will have to turn the electric off before you go to bed as the exstractor fan in the bathroom goes all night and its really really loud.

A

[ashleyb4]

Today was ace we had a small amount of rain i qualified and finished 7th in the M final. I hd great fun wih everyone. Im trying to persuade mum and dad to take me back tommorow not for the racing but the atmopshere.

A

[_JP_]

any results?

Although I live 8miles away I cant get down at the moment :(

so who won, top 10....

[ashleyb4]

I didnt stay for all the finals so i know craggy one Leg 1 of the A but thats about it.

A

[banksy]

does anyone know the results from today. Please post if you know.

[_JP_]

Spoke to Butch

Craggy 1
Bloomers 2 (he was quick so I'm told, but impatient :) )
Yardy 3?
Bradders 4?
Big E 5?

That's all he could remember, not sure if there right
Mossy and Kieth Robertson in the A also.

[Bastos]

Somebody know or have seen something special on Cragg and Bradders yoke ?

I know they are trying something on tha car.

[Rob]

I was reasonbly happy with my first national but knew I could of done better, only doing 2WD.

Only got one decent run in all day. First run was soon after the shower and had no grip at all plus getting use to the track, second run was a lot better and got a decent 11 lapper in, third run was going decent but flipped and a rear top link came off ending the run. Fourth run tightened the slipper up as it was a bit loose before and put schumachers yellows on, car was pretty much uncontrollable and did worst then my first wet run. So that put me in the L final, made decent start but was hit from behind by a car at first bend and rear top link came off again (will have to replace it) so that was the end pretty much before it started.

Think we got lucky with the weather yesterday, forecast was for some really heavy showers, but they seemed to miss us, but looking at the weather radar today think they have had it bad.

Looking forward to Bury, my local club, yesterday was just getting use to some of the procedures and rules used in the nationals.

[PaulRotheram]

Moist was the word for todays national

[notlawnomis]

Any results??

How'd u do??

[spenner]

It's funny how the tyre situation at Kiddy was changed due to complaints about expense!!!!

2wd on saturday was the bomb even with dribbles of rain, no problem at all track was great as always.

My tyre bill for this weekend in total was over £300!!!!
Ok, so most will be used again as we use spikes mostly everywhere, So no problem.

But then along with about 50 others i now have one blown speedo.
All totals too nearly £500, thats not including everything else for the weekend!!

There was a few of us that couldn't believe round 2 was run, i thought the meeting should have been cancelled after the 1st round ??

To be honest i am quite p£#$%d off after today, and im sure there are many others. I know some people will gain from today and they will say it was the right decision, well i think that is crap!! When you watch and only see on average 4 cars finish each qualifying run that makes US look stupid. Ok, some will say you didn't have to go out there, but isn't this the British Nationals??

So i have some questions:

1. After Round 1 when it was very clear there was large puddles and plenty of standing water on the track, why was the meeting cancelled ???
(There was less standing water at previous Nationals and the meetings were cancelled)

2. What happens now to the 50 + people who have blown speedo's ???

3. Does Helger and CML have enough stock for people to purchase the various speedo's??

I have never moaned about anything from Nationals before but today was a very expensive and pointless day.


Rant over.

[spenner]

Double post

[jimmy]

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/kidsub.jpg

[David Church]

What a great pic!!!! Thats Joe Cockhill's car, and he finished the run, I think!?!?!?

[footey]

jimmy that looks mad cant wait to see the rest u tease

[notlawnomis]

OMG :o

http:// www .oople.com/rc/photos/misc/kid "sub".jpg

Like it!! \o/

[mattym0310]

that is toatlly crazy!

[NeilD]

Plain stupid running in those conditions.

[ashleyb4]

Water proofing????

Its amazing what you can use to waterproof speedo's and recievers etc.

A

[losidan]

blimey...i reckon the round the world yacht race doesnt even race in those conditions

[losidan]

blimey...i reckon the round the world yacht race doesnt even race in those conditions.....

£300 for the race....that would bankrupt me for the year

[PaulRotheram]

to be fair, the start of round two looked 'OK' after the water was brushed away. if the water was brushed after each heat then it'd of been better.. but the brca dont have a huge timescale to work with.

i watched the majority of round two, and the amount of people who ran absolutely no waterproofing was absolutely crazy.

one car stopped after 1 lap, i opened the car up to see no undertray and exposed elecs plastered in water.

I'll be honest, if i was in the heats towards the end of round two.. id of had seconds thoughts of racing.. but id of went ahead anyway as i made sure my car was leak proof!

tyres? i think pins would of worked better for the fact we would of knew what to run from practise one to the final.
I saw peoples pit tables with schumy greens, yellows, ballistic pinks and greens and a variety of 2wd/4wd tyres just for 2wd!
however, we were all in the same boat and it made for interesting racing with weather changes.

[KevLee]

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/kidsub.jpg (http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/kidsub.jpg)



Its about time you cleaned your car anyway joe !:D

[ashleyb4]

I dont think people have an exscuse about saying they had nothing to waterproof wit anyways th BRCA where giving out black bin backs yesterday for rubbish. Adn 90% of drivers have grease in there pit box and insulation tape.

A

[spenner]

Someone get a picture from any of the first 3 heats and show me where the water was brushed away ??? Yes they brushed the water into larger puddles off the racing line, and that was about 3 people for 2-3 mins tops!!!! I was in heat 3 and was standing watching heat 1 and 2, there were large puddles from the beginning!!
Also with regard brushing the track after each race, the BRCA rules don't allow the track to be touched till the end of the round.
Myself and a couple of others who had speedo's go all had water proofing on them or as much as you could, bottom line in my eyes we shouldn't have been running.
I think the puddle in Jimmy's pic say most of it.

[Stu]

That's the coolest thing I've ever seen.

Jimmy's got loads more of them to come, he's crazy.

http://www.northernracer.com/kiddy4.jpg

Mine are all a bit standard,


http://www.northernracer.com/kiddy1.jpg

[jimmy]

"all a bit standard" ------ bust out the magpie stu! :D

Stu got surrounded by 10 chavs on saturday night, threatening to take his camera and burn his negatives - whatever those are. Stu pulled of one of the slickest 'defusing' operations I've ever seen however, he bored them away.

:D:D:D

[strobe]

Saturdays 2wd meeting for me was the worst days racing i have had since i started. 1 good run all day. Thought it was the transmitter. Car would run for about 3 mins and then cut out (no power to anything). By the time the race had finished and i got to car it would be OK. 4wd car ran ok for the 2 heats that i raced in today.
So not sure what is wrong with it as it has occured in both cars prior to this weekend with different electrics in cars.

In 4wd i taped up all the holes in shell and chassis and even after round 2 and the puddles the car was dry inside, Did not want any more expense and have to buy more electrics.

PS Has any one had to deal with Ripmax in returning Sanwa Radio gear. Will be sending transmitter back to see if they can find anything wrong with it.

[PaulRotheram]

LMAO maggie!!!!! :D

indeed, stu is one slick dude, it was as if it has happened before as he reacted so quickly haha.

[losixxx]

It's funny how the tyre situation at Kiddy was changed due to complaints about expense!!!!

2wd on saturday was the bomb even with dribbles of rain, no problem at all track was great as always.

My tyre bill for this weekend in total was over £300!!!!
Ok, so most will be used again as we use spikes mostly everywhere, So no problem.

But then along with about 50 others i now have one blown speedo.
All totals too nearly £500, thats not including everything else for the weekend!!

There was a few of us that couldn't believe round 2 was run, i thought the meeting should have been cancelled after the 1st round ??

To be honest i am quite p£#$%d off after today, and im sure there are many others. I know some people will gain from today and they will say it was the right decision, well i think that is crap!! When you watch and only see on average 4 cars finish each qualifying run that makes US look stupid. Ok, some will say you didn't have to go out there, but isn't this the British Nationals??

So i have some questions:

1. After Round 1 when it was very clear there was large puddles and plenty of standing water on the track, why was the meeting cancelled ???
(There was less standing water at previous Nationals and the meetings were cancelled)

2. What happens now to the 50 + people who have blown speedo's ???

3. Does Helger and CML have enough stock for people to purchase the various speedo's??

I have never moaned about anything from Nationals before but today was a very expensive and pointless day.


Rant over.

easy answer run a waterproof esc!
i did not a problem all weekend.
as for the meeting being cancelled after round 1, why the track was drivable the only issue with breaking down car's was esc, why penalise people who have equipment that can handle the british weather!!!. some people who did blow there's didnt even try to protect there non waterprrof esc, which is crazy. other like brian preddy who ran his lrp through the deapest puddle!!:D but because he had done something about waterproofing he finished round 2!

as for cml/horizon having the stock to replace the esc, probably in the next few weeks they will happily send you out a new esc after you've paid the £80 warrenty repair price for the water damage!

[neiloliver]

I only raced on Saturday. I qualifed 4th in the L and finished second. It was a great final for me although i wished i had made it into the K or even J. The competition is so tough! At least I improved on my qualifying time during the final. The tyre thing for me was part of making the day more interesting. I did not run the same combination on any two rounds. The organisation was great as it is always at Kiddy. Thought the buyyt van was a bit expensive though but compared to the price of tyres no real problem :)

I feel for you guys who raced today, Our cars ar 1/10th but the water is still full scale which makes life somewhat difficult!

N

[Barry Williams]

Moist was the word for todays national

Moist??? thats an understatement Paul, I saw you before we left & you looked like you had been swimming!!
Got home tonight at 18.42 which i believe was the time that the 3rd leg of todays A final was supposed to kick off! Rained all the way home except the last 5 miles, so i reckon next year that Durham should be the place for a national.
Got lucky today in respect that no damage was done to Gregs car but loads of waterproofing required.
Well done to Lee today & Neil for yesterday, racing was good to watch despite the conditions.

[Chrislong]

I think the rant about the weather/abandoning is hugely un-neccessary. The BRCA have a tough job, and whatever the decision then people will be unhappy.

Abandoning after round 1 would leave the meeting void, we need two complete rounds to make the meeting stand (as per Paul Worsley at drivers breifing)

Abandoning mid round 2 would leave the meeting void AND those in early heats who had run (and perhaps had blown electrics) very angry.

So perhaps it was a push to complete round 2, but it was worth doing it to make the meeting stand for championship points.

Who raced 4wd at Holbeach at the last national they had? That meetng was far worse for weather, and it was run to completion of finals! CRAZY! There was little in the way of standing water, but instead the mud renderred many complete cars fit for the bin.... it was horrible.

Chris

[PaulRotheram]

Moist??? thats an understatement Paul, I saw you before we left & you looked like you had been swimming!!


I do feel quite refreshed however :cool: good for your skin!

moist is a sarcastic statement.. it was ruddy torrential!

moist is the case!

[Lee Martin]

tyres were rubbish though...

pins all the way!!!

it was tyres wars and i found myself having to glue 3 different kinds to ensure i had the right ones...

and they were a set a run!

[Kopite]

Totally agree with the tyre thing. I had to buy pink ballistics, green ballistics, yellow and green schumachers...just in case! :mad:

[Lee Martin]

rubbish eh..

i told alot of peopel this on doughty ages ago....but alot of people wanted to run on them...so what can you do...

[bert digler]

nice just read my warranty form waterproof on out side of box says different inside thanks novak delboy springs to mind:D

[Northy]

Totally agree with the tyre thing. I had to buy pink ballistics, green ballistics, yellow and green schumachers...just in case! :mad:

Did you use all of the above tyres? :confused: If not you are more likely to use those again than pins in the UK imho, and that is why it was changed.

I had 2 1/2 sets on the 2wd yesterday (and got my best ever nat result) and 1 set on the 4 today. I was actually impressed how well the Ballistic spikes gripped after what everyone had been saying over the winter, and many people agreed with me. Green spike worked well for me in the wet and dry, which made them a very safe choice, you knew they would work. :confused: :confused:

G

[Kopite]

i didn't use the pinks, and i can't think of a track where i will run them again now. great! It's just that green pins would've worked in any condition, easy!!

...oh sod it, i'm just glad to be home out of the rain!!! :D

[Northy]

i didn't use the pinks, and i can't think of a track where i will run them again now.

Not even on wet grass? I have in the past.....

G

[bert digler]

until my car produced magic smoke it was mint on greens:D

[Chrislong]

I agree with you Northy. I didn't complicate my options with too many, I stuck to Green BB's for damp/wet/moist and Yellow Shoes for bone dry and didn't feel disadvantaged by it - I never had low grip for qualifying. I tried green schumachers in 4wd practice and they were a lot toss.

2wd the tires did seem to lose the edge after 1 run, but on a second run they felt fine too. 4wd I did too runs in the moist with BB Greenz and they looked new still, I put new on just cos I had them ready..... they'll all be able to be used elsewhere now, unlike pins.

Chris

[Kopite]

Not even on wet grass? I have in the past.....

G


fair do's, never knew that one!!:cool:

[Kash]

BB Spikes Green's/Yellow Schuy worked fine for me.. It was just my driving that needed a little approvement.

As for today my car survived fine. i bagged up reciever and speedo and they were bone dry after rnd 2 and i was in heat 10.

[modelimages]

amazing as it may seem joe's car completed the run after its swim, however dan didn't complete either run after water blew the speedo in r1 and water in the rx in r2, to say we didn't protect the cars is nonsense, joe had no protection except the undertray which is standard on the BX, on dans car we attempted to seal as much as possible but it didn't work, should we have run after round 1?, once the decision to carry on was made then the track should have been left alone, heat 9-12 had to race through some standing water but sweeping so round 1 could have a clearish track and then not doing it for the rest was unfair, yet again heat 9-12 raced in puddles, the advantage for the early heats was artificially created in round two and that is not right surely.

john

[spenner]

easy answer run a waterproof esc!
i did not a problem all weekend.
as for the meeting being cancelled after round 1, why the track was drivable the only issue with breaking down car's was esc, why penalise people who have equipment that can handle the british weather!!!. some people who did blow there's didnt even try to protect there non waterprrof esc, which is crazy. other like brian preddy who ran his lrp through the deapest puddle!!:D but because he had done something about waterproofing he finished round 2!

as for cml/horizon having the stock to replace the esc, probably in the next few weeks they will happily send you out a new esc after you've paid the £80 warrenty repair price for the water damage!

Chris, are you saying that the products we have purchased aren't fit for the purpose ????????????

I think the rant about the weather/abandoning is hugely un-neccessary. The BRCA have a tough job, and whatever the decision then people will be unhappy.

Abandoning after round 1 would leave the meeting void, we need two complete rounds to make the meeting stand (as per Paul Worsley at drivers breifing)

Abandoning mid round 2 would leave the meeting void AND those in early heats who had run (and perhaps had blown electrics) very angry.

So perhaps it was a push to complete round 2, but it was worth doing it to make the meeting stand for championship points.

Who raced 4wd at Holbeach at the last national they had? That meetng was far worse for weather, and it was run to completion of finals! CRAZY! There was little in the way of standing water, but instead the mud renderred many complete cars fit for the bin.... it was horrible.

Chris, i agree the BRCA do a great job. But i also do a great job to pay for what i do, and basically for a decision that should have been made i now have to spend more money!!
You can look at both sides, yes if we had cancelled after round 1 it would have been a void meeting!! So ???
It would have saved people some money, the track was not drivable or SAFE for the beginning of round 2!!
I never said anything about abandoning mid round 2 as that was bit late!!
You also say it was good thing finishing end of round 2 for champ points, why is that good thing ?? Im pretty sure a few people will have there best result from todays meeting and they won't get near it all year. As i said, the people who gained something from today will say the right decision was made.
Just venting my anger at the p$%s poor decision's made today!!
If the BRCA can take all the compliments then they can take some constructive criticism.

[tc2k]

That weather looks pretty bad, I can imagine CML going bankrupt at this rate. TBH, I think people know that running in the rain is a risk, its whether your prepared to take it.
My day was far more eventful with the rain anyway, I had to run outside to get the washing off the line, while it was spitting! (I sound like my mum)

[losixxx]

easy answer run a waterproof esc!
i did not a problem all weekend.
as for the meeting being cancelled after round 1, why the track was drivable the only issue with breaking down car's was esc, why penalise people who have equipment that can handle the british weather!!!. some people who did blow there's didnt even try to protect there non waterprrof esc, which is crazy. other like brian preddy who ran his lrp through the deapest puddle!!:D but because he had done something about waterproofing he finished round 2!

as for cml/horizon having the stock to replace the esc, probably in the next few weeks they will happily send you out a new esc after you've paid the £80 warrenty repair price for the water damage!

Chris, are you saying that the products we have purchased aren't fit for the purpose ????????????

I think the rant about the weather/abandoning is hugely un-neccessary. The BRCA have a tough job, and whatever the decision then people will be unhappy.

Abandoning after round 1 would leave the meeting void, we need two complete rounds to make the meeting stand (as per Paul Worsley at drivers breifing)

Abandoning mid round 2 would leave the meeting void AND those in early heats who had run (and perhaps had blown electrics) very angry.

So perhaps it was a push to complete round 2, but it was worth doing it to make the meeting stand for championship points.

Who raced 4wd at Holbeach at the last national they had? That meetng was far worse for weather, and it was run to completion of finals! CRAZY! There was little in the way of standing water, but instead the mud renderred many complete cars fit for the bin.... it was horrible.

Chris, i agree the BRCA do a great job. But i also do a great job to pay for what i do, and basically for a decision that should have been made i now have to spend more money!!
You can look at both sides, yes if we had cancelled after round 1 it would have been a void meeting!! So ???
It would have saved people some money, the track was not drivable or SAFE for the beginning of round 2!!
I never said anything about abandoning mid round 2 as that was bit late!!
You also say it was good thing finishing end of round 2 for champ points, why is that good thing ?? Im pretty sure a few people will have there best result from todays meeting and they won't get near it all year. As i said, the people who gained something from today will say the right decision was made.
Just venting my anger at the p$%s poor decision's made today!!
If the BRCA can take all the compliments then they can take some constructive criticism.


no m8, what i said is if its raining run a waterproof esc!, if mine wasnt waterproof i wouldnt have gone out and raced,
i won't be going brushless until they produce 1 that is waterproof due to the british weather. i think most! of the problem's today were non waterproof esc.
all of us have experienced rain before some maybe not as much as today but rain all the same, if you want to run non waterproof equipment then you must expect to possibly have some issue's when it rain's.

[modelimages]

I dont think people have an exscuse about saying they had nothing to waterproof wit anyways th BRCA where giving out black bin backs yesterday for rubbish. Adn 90% of drivers have grease in there pit box and insulation tape.

A

i am lost for words, what were we supposed to do with that?, smother the cars in grease, insulating tape and run with a black bin bag as a makeshift jacket?.

bag the speedo's inside the bin bag, seal with tape, rub the grease on face in case the sun came out?

place all the blown speedo's in bin bag, seal with insulating tape and ? oh i give up, it is not blue peter you know.

[losixxx]

i am lost for words, what were we supposed to do with that?, smother the cars in grease, insulating tape and run with a black bin bag as a makeshift jacket?.

bag the speedo's inside the bin bag, seal with tape, rub the grease on face in case the sun came out?

place all the blown speedo's in bin bag, seal with insulating tape and ? oh i give up, it is not blue peter you know.


i take it you not a blue peter fan then!! :D :D ;)

[tc2k]

Heres one i made earlier

[modelimages]

my era was noakes,purves and singleton, they may have had some clue on how to make the best out of the bin bag,tape and grease

[Southwell]

I dont think people have an exscuse about saying they had nothing to waterproof wit anyways th BRCA where giving out black bin backs yesterday for rubbish. Adn 90% of drivers have grease in there pit box and insulation tape.

A

Haha, WTF! With the depth of those puddles and the speeds we were doing even a drip is likely to get in somewhere, it did in mine and Boulters, and im sure most others had the same problem.
In round one i ran my car with no protection at all and lasted no problem!

[modelimages]

actually thinking about it, valerie singleton,bin bag, tape and grease. the options are endless!!

[spenner]

Anyway, apart from the rain today it was another enjoyable weekend. Do we know if there is any entertainment for Bury Metro???

[Chrislong]

it is not blue peter you know.

Aye, but you have more chance of getting a badge on here :D

Its pretty difficult to waterproof something which gets hot, such as an ESC. So those that chose to, tried to block off any orrifices, and gambled on running.

I found putting screwed up tissue paper in places would soak up the water before it spread and damaged. But some cars are more difficult to protect than others.

[modelimages]

Anyway, apart from the rain today it was another enjoyable weekend. Do we know if there is any entertainment for Bury Metro???

valerie singleton,bin bag, tape and grease.

[Mrs oOple]

I think the organisers have a few ideas up their sleeves. Watch this space :D

[Chrislong]

valerie singleton,bin bag, tape and grease.

John, whoooo's she?

[modelimages]

http://65.214.37.88/ts?t=7202914409856802195

a bit like vicki butler henderson, but for the 70's

[modelimages]

must thank everybody who helped to take the big white tent down, lee, bob,bobdad,kim, cindy and trish.

quote of the day from bob (belgian aero manufacturer) "what does this cancelled meeting mean"

me "it means you have won"

bob "not really a win then"

[Jonesy]

On a perosnal note I raced Round 2 (Heat 11) but the car didn't go off the line. We identified the problem as receiver but not due to the weather!

From the National series point of view, the 2nd Round had to be run to ensure the meeting went ahead, the guys in the later heats knew what may have happened if they raced, their chose. I only went to race because I thought I you needed 2 rounds to count from 2, my knowledge of the rules is clearly wrong though as 1 round counted in the end.

Overall I really enjoyed the weekend, it was my first National since Telford in 2005 and it was great to see everyone again, it was topped off with a 53rd place on Saturday and 30th today.

Looking forward to Bury!

[Barry Williams]

http://65.214.37.88/ts?t=7202914409856802195

a bit like vicki butler henderson, but for the 70's
Ha ha thats one of the funniest comparisons I've heard, Cant say i remember seeing Val thrashing the tits off cars like Vicki does, but i might have missed the blue peter episode when she did that!!

John, I think that worryingly you may have a bit of a Val Singleton fetish since you mentioned her in 3 or 4 posts! :D

[MattW]

Well, abandoning at the end of rd 1 surely wasn't required. I was in heat 5 and with just a little thought and use of gaffer tape and a foam insert car finished fine - and Si's was teh same in heat 6 with the same method. I didn't see many cars stop in those 2 heats.

However, that said it was looking a little rough toward the end of the round. I think the timing was fine, about as good as they were going to get - i have seen more than a few national meetings run on longer that this one did when people were blowing up. Telford last year? Holbeach a few years ago (as Mr long says) and Batley a few times 5 ish years ago. There was no real way of guessing exactly how much rain was going to fall during rd 2, and at the end of rd 1 the track was still driveable IMHO.

John, the AERO guys were real good at getting tents down and packed away!!! mucho thanks for their help putting ours down - despite Si being convinced it wasn't going to fit in the bag!!

[jimmy]

Woody had his crappest days racing ever but at least he let me get a nice photo! :)

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/kidmadness01.jpg



Well done lee! :D:D:D

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/kidmadness02.jpg

[woohaa19]

You guys take some wicked photos when are the rest goin to be posted from the weekend plus well done lee

mike :)

ps do you lot remember sat nite at all lol

[Stu]

"all a bit standard" ------ bust out the magpie stu! :D


:D:D:D


I'm afraid I have shit-out in amature style BIG time.

On saturday afternoon I dropped all the pics from from the camera onto the laptop, sensible, yes.
I then took some of the maddest cheese/dead magpie/bus-stop-climbing/eurovision song contest/chav pics - all well random stuff, some of you will know.
First thing Sunday moning I then proceeded to format the card, forgetting to drop the stuff from Saturday night onto the laptop first.

Big mistake.

:( - the frown is not big enough.

[woohaa19]

the chavs in the cars was hillarious :D

[Wraggy]

God am i glad i was on res list and didnt get in to race this one ... :p

[PaulRotheram]

my bus stop climb wont be shown? ah man!

[Body Paint]

What was the Chav thing about? I heard it from my bed, did they try to pinch your camera Stu?

[woohaa19]

i was still up so i come out to c what was going on all i saw was 3 cars at the entrance shouting stuff at i think stu not sure i know wot happend its nothing bad but its not my place to say:)

[PaulRotheram]

we kicked their ass.

[woohaa19]

paul was it you who took the picture of me trying to get my m8 in the marshell box lol

[PaulRotheram]

ya, i'll post it up after jimmy n stu get theirs up (oower). pictures officer!

[_JP_]

I'm afraid I have shit-out in amature style BIG time.

On saturday afternoon I dropped all the pics from from the camera onto the laptop, sensible, yes.
I then took some of the maddest cheese/dead magpie/bus-stop-climbing/eurovision song contest/chav pics - all well random stuff, some of you will know.
First thing Sunday moning I then proceeded to format the card, forgetting to drop the stuff from Saturday night onto the laptop first.

Big mistake.

:( - the frown is not big enough.

you know you might be able to undelete stuff if you aint used it :)

[ashleyb4]

Super poo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chavs you cant but laught.

Does that mean no cheese??????

A
I'm afraid I have shit-out in amature style BIG time.

On saturday afternoon I dropped all the pics from from the camera onto the laptop, sensible, yes.
I then took some of the maddest cheese/dead magpie/bus-stop-climbing/eurovision song contest/chav pics - all well random stuff, some of you will know.
First thing Sunday moning I then proceeded to format the card, forgetting to drop the stuff from Saturday night onto the laptop first.

Big mistake.

:( - the frown is not big enough.

[Chris Doughty]

http://www.northernracer.com/kiddy1.jpg

Sorry Lee! :(

[bigred5765]

Stu pm sent
file recovery after a light format or delete is still possible, i sent you a pm, but basically look on goggle for file recovery programs or look for these programs,
davory / winhex / or xway winhex all are trial versions that will recover deleted files up to 1mb ish . you may have to route for a patch or fix to unlock them or buy it

[Lee Martin]

thats ok chris u animal!!!

we were together all day anyway....only right you tried to hump my car!

RAPE!!!!!!!!!

hahaha

[Chris Doughty]

haha, I recon I could have watched your car and still been able to drive mine, I was following you all day long!

[Lee Martin]

yepo! was crazy!!!!

[super__dan]

For what it’s worth I thought the decisions were completely right. At the start of round 2 The track was fine and I was more than happy to carry on, I did waterproof my car with blue tack and paper and then it was fine including driving through some big off line puddles  I do agree though that maybe the track can be swept of puddles mid round to ensure consistency.

I saw an S4 in Woodies heat in round 2 go out with each of the (many) scoops on the S4 completely open = completely madness. I do feel sorry for anyone that tried their best to waterproof their car and it still got wet. I’d much rather race on a wet Kidderminster track than virtually any other in the country, bit of WD40 on everything and it was fine, didn’t need cleaning. I too remember Holbeach, A brand new car anf half of it had to be thrown away after 1 meeting.

Lastly I thought the tyres thing was ace. In 2wd I ran BB greens all day and liked then even in the dry. I used I set of net front and rear and then another already worn set for the rear which lasted 2 runs no bother. In 4wd I ran 1 set of pinks which look almost brand new after 2 runs. Personally I saved a fortune over my normal bill there and felt I was on the right tyre for me at all times. I do feel sorry for those that wanted 4wd front pinks and couldn’t get them but at least there were loads of greens available, better than the usual Proline/Losi stud fiasco.

[Kopite]

For what it’s worth I thought the decisions were completely right. At the start of round 2 The track was fine and I was more than happy to carry on, I did waterproof my car with blue tack and paper and then it was fine including driving through some big off line puddles  I do agree though that maybe the track can be swept of puddles mid round to ensure consistency.

I saw an S4 in Woodies heat in round 2 go out with each of the (many) scoops on the S4 completely open = completely madness. I do feel sorry for anyone that tried their best to waterproof their car and it still got wet. I’d much rather race on a wet Kidderminster track than virtually any other in the country, bit of WD40 on everything and it was fine, didn’t need cleaning. I too remember Holbeach, A brand new car anf half of it had to be thrown away after 1 meeting.

Lastly I thought the tyres thing was ace. In 2wd I ran BB greens all day and liked then even in the dry. I used I set of net front and rear and then another already worn set for the rear which lasted 2 runs no bother. In 4wd I ran 1 set of pinks which look almost brand new after 2 runs. Personally I saved a fortune over my normal bill there and felt I was on the right tyre for me at all times. I do feel sorry for those that wanted 4wd front pinks and couldn’t get them but at least there were loads of greens available, better than the usual Proline/Losi stud fiasco.

What happened at Holbeach?

[Doomanic]

What happened at Holbeach?
Mudbath!
As much rain as Kiddy, on a muddy field.:o

[Kopite]

Mudbath!
As much rain as Kiddy, on a muddy field.:o

Full spikes all round?

[Doomanic]

TR32s, if you could get a set as they had been discontinued about two years before the meeting.:rolleyes:

[Chris Doughty]

the mud was a little bit sandy so it was perfect grinding paste for hinge pins and every other moving part.

my new xxx4 was more worn out than my season old 'test' xxx4 :p

[modelimages]

the problem with tyres i think was due to the ever changing state of the track in 2wd, it started wet dried out and i was selling BB pinks followed by BB green and then Schuey yellows, in 4wd it was BB pinks or greens, i tried to take as much as possible. i had with me on friday afternoon, 100 sets of yellows, 90 sets of pink rears 40 pink fronts and 50 each of greens, including schuey greens etc i had 500 pairs with me, as it turned out i did not have enough front or rear pinks or rear greens to supply everyone, hopefully this will not be a problem for the other nationals as i now have a bit more of an idea on qtys required.

[Doomanic]

I finished the meeting with 20 car sets of BB greens and 20 pairs of rear pinks, so there were (nearly) enough tyres to go round.
More pink fronts would have been nice, but anyone compaining they couldn't get green or pink rears wasn't trying very hard.

[matdodd]

Lastly I thought the tyres thing was ace. In 2wd I ran BB greens all day and liked then even in the dry. I used I set of net front and rear and then another already worn set for the rear which lasted 2 runs no bother.

Thats fine Dan but its not normaly that wet when we run pins, so tyre wear is higher. At a round of the winter series I ran 1 full set of green mini pins for a 15 min practise 4 rounds & the final and the car was ace. Pidge ran more sets than that & he ran spikes!

[Lee Martin]

and the car was rubbish then! lol

[wacattack]

I kept costs to a minimum by running 1 set of ballistic greens in both practice sessions, and all the qualifying rounds. It was only in the final I used some used (but not as bad a condition as what was already on it) ballistic greens.

Didnt too bad either, 35th in round 3 and 37th in round 4. Maybe I would have done better had I had newer tyres, who knows, but I was happy with that and qualified 8th in the E.

Think some people might have gone a little overboard with the tyre situation, moving from greens, to yellow and back. I (and so did my bro who qualified 6th in the B) stuck to greens all day.

Costs can be controlled if you really want to, and without that much of an impact on your performance

[MattADH]

I personally cant complain about a lack of grip as I snapped a belt in the second round!

First of all I thought that it was either the speedo/motor but then upon checking it, the middle belt had snalpped and took the edge of the spur gear with it during disintegration!!!

[ashleyb4]

Personally i found there was loads of grip in practise and in round 1 3 4 and the final. And in practise i ran yellows. I know im not that quick of a driver but i cant stand it when there is no grip. I also found tyre wear to be ok i ran greens all the rounds and the final except for practise and they still have bucket loads of life on them. I love kiddy and i think they should leave spikes as the control tyres.

A

[David Church]

I respect the officials that run these meetings, well, after the Euro's 2005 (France) say no more, our section is probably the best run section in the world!!!!!!!
But, "Question" Why was it so important to run the second round? I understand it made an official meeting, but the track was changed after round 1 and was getting more standing water on it all the time. I did not see them sweep any water off after round 1, and I was heat 12. So after only 2 rounds, which the track was different, only 1 score counted. Is this fair?
I am not angry at all. It was the BRCA's choice on what to do, well they had a vote, but why not call the meeting after round 1, or take an hour or 2 to see what the weather was going to do? Then either call the meeting or have another round of qualifing, and maybe even final if the weather improved?

[emzy]

I just wonder what the total cost of everything that got damaged / went pop is...

I'm not angry - officials did what they saw as best, but I'm rather irritated by the fact that people "around my level" who managed to finish a round now have a freakishly high score for the event, which I won't match in my wildest dreams at another National this year. But alas, all down to luck 'eh.

Looking at the picture of that car with its ass in the big puddle... no wonder my car died after going head first into that during round 1! I was taped up to the max in round 2, and still only managed a lap and a half before I stopped... only THREE people in my heat finished (heat 10). Ouch.

It better be sunny at Bury... I need a tan!

[losixxx]

I just wonder what the total cost of everything that got damaged / went pop is...

I'm not angry - officials did what they saw as best, but I'm rather irritated by the fact that people "around my level" who managed to finish a round now have a freakishly high score for the event, which I won't match in my wildest dreams at another National this year. But alas, all down to luck 'eh.



It better be sunny at Bury... I need a tan!


who do you mean em?? :D :D :D :D :D

[losixxx]

results are up on the brca site

[Chris Doughty]

I respect the officials that run these meetings, well, after the Euro's 2005 (France) say no more, our section is probably the best run section in the world!!!!!!!
But, "Question" Why was it so important to run the second round? I understand it made an official meeting, but the track was changed after round 1 and was getting more standing water on it all the time. I did not see them sweep any water off after round 1, and I was heat 12. So after only 2 rounds, which the track was different, only 1 score counted. Is this fair?
I am not angry at all. It was the BRCA's choice on what to do, well they had a vote, but why not call the meeting after round 1, or take an hour or 2 to see what the weather was going to do? Then either call the meeting or have another round of qualifing, and maybe even final if the weather improved?

with regards to 'timing' on the changed track. the time is only used for the 'split'

if you TQ'ed either round you CAN'T finish lower than 2nd if its best 1 from 2 to count.

Paul did say thats how it would work at the start of the day, he also said there was a very good chance on bad weather, I went out with the knowledge that round 2 was going to be 'the' round to get the result in.

regards the track conditions in round 2, and to a certain extent end of round 1, its a hard one to call, my car had a fair amount of water proofing but we didn't go crazy over-board with balloons and stuff. I did try and negotiate the dryest line where possible, the 'chute' straigt had a dryer section down the middle in my run, I know this might not have been the same for the later heats. and there were certainly some avoid at all costs sections of the track!!

problem is, if they call the meeting before it can 'count' then think of how many hotel bills would have been 'wasted'

I agree about some people getting abnormally good results out of the meeting just because they finished the round where 70% of cars dropped out

but....

it was physically possible to finish at worse 2nd in the meeting by only running in round1. Darren did just that pretty much, though he did race his last round, he didn't need to because his 1st from round1 was his counting score

I am just playing devils advocate here so don't beat me up about this.

[Northy]

results are up on the brca site

I don't see them :confused: :confused:

G

[losixxx]

second line down m8

http://www.brca.org/

[Bathy]

Kiddy National huh, I had a really good fun weekend bring on Bury!

Weather was a pain mind this weekend, 2wd I don’t really like, 4wd is the main reason I come to Nationals, managed 6 mins of racing in total on Sunday… not great really huh.

Problem with this water proofing gag is you seal the car up, water in those conditions is always going to find a way in and once it’s in, it stays in and builds up until ‘bang’. I have to say I was shocked when it came to my heat (8) round 2 I couldn’t even find a safe way to the start line, it was silly, and you might as well be driving the cars in a large pond!

Event was really well run, no one can help the weather it happens, I just hope the rules are followed the same for all Nationals ongoing, what would have happened if all the ‘top guys’ cars had the worst weather/track conditions and their cars all stopped… hmmm I wonder, the same deal yeah? We will never know!

I do feel that when the commentator is announcing that 50/60% of cars are not finishing their heats then maybe its time to announce the track unsafe/unusable... but hey its was only the crappy drivers left at the end of the day :D (I speak for myself on that one).

Video's done btw... music sucks I'm told, but hey so did the weather!

[notlawnomis]

Try refresh on the 10th off road page!!

[emzy]

Video's done btw... music sucks I'm told, but hey so did the weather![/COLOR][/FONT]

Oi! I didn't say it sucked!

You know when I was joking about a B*Witched song for the next one? They have the perfect song for Kiddy - Blame It On The Weatherman!! :D

[AndyM]

Video's done btw... music sucks I'm told, but hey so did the weather!


can we see it? :)

[Chris Doughty]

I bet its Travis and rain on me

[emzy]

It doesn't even have words to sing to! Pah.

Oh so many obvious options...!

[Chris Doughty]

I want to see the vid... I want to see the photos from Jimmy and Stu!

[Bathy]

I bet its Travis and rain on me

Now that's not a bad idea... hmmm I can't change it now really, way too lazy me lol

Plan (I think) is to put the video with Jimmy's ace photos and text; I seem to have added to the pressure for him to get this done now, oops... sorry! :rolleyes:

[ashleyb4]

The best thing about kiddy for me was to only having to go to the shop once and that was for tyres and wheels :) Also being random with jimmy and stu. And rugby tackerling Chris Long:D (Sorry for calling you that name you dont like chris:( ) And i also found out my nice new exspensive gazebo isnt waterproof.:(

But i did ok and i got some ok points:)

A:o

[ashleyb4]

Also i got to meet Chris Doughty.

One thing i dont get it how to people at antional stay so clean when im usually so mucky before round 1

A

[OldTimer]

. only THREE people in my heat finished (heat 10). Ouch.


And i was one of them :p

[Northy]

It really was stupid however how many people went on with no hint of water proofing! :o :eh?: Two cars stopped in front of me and Brian while we were marshalling, both still had HUGE air holes open, and bare electrics :wtf: :rolleyes:

G

[Chris Doughty]

One thing i dont get it how to people at antional stay so clean when im usually so mucky before round 1


I keep as far away from my car as I can after its finished its race :p

its usually clean enough to touch about 20 minutes after the run is over... cheers Dad! :D

[emzy]

And i was one of them :p

Oh shush you!

You, Kash and Nic... "the lucky ones".

[OldTimer]

There was some very random lines to avoid the deep puddles, i guess my normal racing line then lol.

[ashleyb4]

I looked a right state walking around with my dirty t-shirt on i found half of oswestry's soil in my tyres that i had jusr riped off.

A
I keep as far away from my car as I can after its finished its race :p

its usually clean enough to touch about 20 minutes after the run is over... cheers Dad! :D

[losixxx]

Also i got to meat Chris Doughty.



A


really ash, didnt chris mind!!;) :D

[Kash]

Oh shush you!

You, Kash and Nic... "the lucky ones".


No luck with my run..lol:D

[Chris Doughty]

really ash, didnt chris mind!!;) :D

meat... haha

meet?

[emzy]

No luck with my run..lol:D

Just pure skill 'ay Kash! :p

[ashleyb4]

meat... haha

meet?


Leave me alone i cant help it i cant spell.

A

[neiloliver]

Ash, That has to go down in the Typo hall of fame! There are many racers I respect, but i have never wanted to do that to them, its not in my nature.

N:)

[ashleyb4]

Leave mealone im not very good at english i have always had difficulty Give me maths science IT im good at them.

And what do you mean neil:confused: :eh?:

A

[Bastos]

So, when the photos come ? jimmy ? :rolleyes:

[Stu]

Some 2wd as you are all getting impatient.

2wd (http://www.northernracer.com/kid07/2wd/gallery.htm)

Some more later.

[ashleyb4]

Stu the pics dont seem to be working here

Anyone else got a problem


A

[ashleyb4]

I must apoligise to chris that was the worst typo ever. And for the record im not into that type of thing.

A

[Southwell]

meat... haha

meet?

Iam the meat!! :p

[k£v!n]

All working fine for me, in firefox!

Great pics Stu!

Kev

[tc2k]

And for the record im not into that type of thing.
A

:D :D :D :D :D

[Stu]

4WD Pics (http://www.northernracer.com/kid07/4wd/gallery.htm)

I only spent a short while taking pics during 4wd - about 15 mins I think.
I didn't want to get too wet.

Jimmy on the other hand, being barking mad, stayed out till the end. Some of his rain shots are the best RC pics I've ever seen - and that was just viwed on his camera screen - be warned.

[Stu]

Jimmy will be the meat.

[ashleyb4]

YAY working

A

[Bathy]

Good pictures Stu, I think I saw you with the plate of cheese, I thought you'd gone mad, seeing it next to the RC car it now all makes sense... :wtf: !

[ashleyb4]

edited.

[PaulRotheram]

ashley, stus server is quite slow at the moment, please dont post pictures which are not links from his site as it slows both his site, and oople.... especially 3 pictures together.

[Northy]

Stu's report and also links to both galleries:

http://www.northernracer.com/kid07

Great as always. My camera never made it out of the tent :( Too much going on. :(

G

[bert digler]

Stu's report and also links to both galleries:

http://www.northernracer.com/kid07

Great as always. My camera never made it out of the tent :( Too much going on. :(

G

whens the photos going up mine is the 4wd with the huge plume of smoke lol:D

[jimmy]

Report. photos and bathys excellent video up here:

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/kidderminsternational2007/ (http://www.oople.com/forums/../rc/photos/kidderminsternational2007/)

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/kidderminsternational2007/header.jpg (http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/kidderminsternational2007/)

[Bathy]

Ace photos Jimmy, one of mine as well!!!!

Loving the 'wet' action, when you see the cars like that you realise why so many were breaking.

2wd, 69th in round 2 (hungover)... have it!

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/kidderminsternational2007/kid120507/imagepages/NO5E0974.html

2wd sucks co%* however huh... ha ha that's not my car honest :rolleyes:

[Chris Doughty]

Jimmys and Stu's pics are ace as always. love that 45 degree shot of my side-pod jimmy! just what I wanted :)

the vid is good David... how about you do some 'live' interviews for the next one?

[Bathy]

how about you do some 'live' interviews for the next one?

Sounds like a good idea, I'm sure Lee would be up for it, would you be happy to do one Chris?

I don't know so many of the other top guys to ask really, also I'll hold the camera maybe Vicky to ask questions... please?

Getting all a bit 'proper job' this, was only started as 'gag' I can see myself buying a proper video camera, mic etc... that's progression, tis all good.

[jimmy]

Slippery slope bathy! Slippery! :)

[Chris Doughty]

I don't mind doing a bit, all in the aid of fun :p

[Lee Martin]

ill do the nutter ones!!!!!

[Rossco_4]

I'm confused...... nothing new there but i'm looking at the results from 4wd at kidderminster. looking at the overall heat qualifying page on the BRCA Offroad index I'm listed as 33rd in the overall standings after 2 rounds of qualifying (43rd in round 1 and 36th in round 2). Then when i look at the national series results page for 4wd it list my score from kiddy as 85. Surely 85 points is less than i should have got? 130 - subtract either 33 (my placing after 2 rounds of qualifying) or 36 (my best round score) would be either 97 or 94....... can someone explain how that works? sorry if its dead obvious but i'm not seeing it.

[jimmy]

The 4WD went from your best time from the two rounds - not your position in either round or after both rounds.

I think.

[Chris Doughty]

the 'overall' results for the kiddy meeting are working on best 2 from 2

the official results are best single SCORE out of 2 rounds.

so, if 2 different people had 1's from rounds 1 and 2 they would be first and second, they would be sorted by count-back which is best race time.

if the person with a 1 broke in the other round and scored 120, they would be waaay down if it was 2 to count from 2 which is how the 'overall' results posted on the BRCA site are worked out.

basically, the 'meeting results' on the BRCA site are not exactly correct considering it is/was and abandand meeting.

[Chris Doughty]

The 4WD went from your best time from the two rounds - not your position in either round or after both rounds.

I think.

your wrong Jimmy, it was best single SCORE out of 2 rounds, time was only considered when it went to tied scores.

[jimmy]

Ok, I was misinformed - Must have been the overall winner, lee, that applied to then.

[Rossco_4]

your wrong Jimmy, it was best single SCORE out of 2 rounds, time was only considered when it went to tied scores.

Ok, if it was the best single score out of the 2 rounds that still doesn't make sense..... my best round finish was 36th. 130 subtract 36 is 94, but my score from kiddy on the nationals series page is 85

[Doomanic]

35 people were faster than you in that round, chances are that some people went faster in round 1 but dnf'd round 2 and so knocked you further down the order.

[_sleigh_]

Ok, if it was the best single score out of the 2 rounds that still doesn't make sense..... my best round finish was 36th. 130 subtract 36 is 94, but my score from kiddy on the nationals series page is 85


Some results do look a little wrong, as two people have exactly the same points from Kiddy in the 4WD overall results. The only normal way this can happen is if the TQ man finishes second (as they get an extra point for TQ)

[super__dan]

There are only 120 drivers in 4wd though so it's from 120 not 130 surely?

[Rossco_4]

120 would make sense, but the top guys were scoring up to 130

[Stu]

Blimey, when I said "lets pretend to give Chris a kicking" I didn't expect it to look quite that realistic.

If we do that stunt again I think it sould be 'toned down' a bit - :o

http://www.northernracer.com/pic.jpg

It looks terrible.