changing the B4

[RLGfx]

opinions needed...

ok, what do people think would make the B4 a better car?

I'm looking at doing a bit of work on one, namely starting with a new chassis layout, possibly saddle pack design in a similar layout to a Durango (and retaining the ability to shift the batts forward and back a little), and trying to get the weight low down and as central as possible.

I personally don't think the suspension geometry needs changing, at least not as it is as standard. I just fancy something a bit different!

[Nick Goodall]

"ok, what do people think would make the B4 a better car?"

If more people left it alone and raced the thing :D

Sorry, no offence but if it ain't broke then don't fix it - i just raced my B4 for the first time and it was superb, couldn't fault the car in any way, just my little errors cost me through still being a bit rusty.

There's no "better" 2wd car out there so i don't really think it needs changing to be honest, the best driver in the worlds won with one so it's obviously good enough to do anything as long as you are?

[BenG]

opinions needed...

ok, what do people think would make the B4 a better car?

I'm looking at doing a bit of work on one, namely starting with a new chassis layout, possibly saddle pack design in a similar layout to a Durango (and retaining the ability to shift the batts forward and back a little), and trying to get the weight low down and as central as possible.

I personally don't think the suspension geometry needs changing, at least not as it is as standard. I just fancy something a bit different!

A new shell, a very nice durango/ aero style one ;)

[_sleigh_]

Even the best of a particular product type can be improved. Just because a car is winning, doesn't mean development should stop or you could be caught on the back foot if a.n.other manufacturer releases a new car.

[BenG]

opinions needed...

ok, what do people think would make the B4 a better car?

I'm looking at doing a bit of work on one, namely starting with a new chassis layout, possibly saddle pack design in a similar layout to a Durango (and retaining the ability to shift the batts forward and back a little), and trying to get the weight low down and as central as possible.

I personally don't think the suspension geometry needs changing, at least not as it is as standard. I just fancy something a bit different!

Speaking from experience, I can tell you it will cost alot (I have modded my B4)

Once done, It will have cost me around £500 plus the price of the car on top:o

When I start molding the carbon fiber chassis, that will cost me around £180 for the first chassis (all the equipment e.t.c) then about 90 afterwards :o

But, I am tapped:p, plus I save a whopping £4 per shell, as its made from vimto over a body filler mold, and i get to drink the vimto, Schlurple the purple :D

[RLGfx]

it doesn't have to cost a lot, basicall all i'm planning (at the moment) is a twin deck CF chassis, narrowed down from the standard, with an alternate interior layout. If possible I'm going to make it a box chassis, bonded together, rather than moulding one. At the moment I'm just in the ideas stage, there'll probably be a scrap B4 chassis bought and chopped up in the near future, and then some card templates to fold up and play with!

[Lee]

Rob,

Sounds good and after looking at Northys G2 at the weekend i was super impressed at what can be done.

But

With the B4, you find people use the plastic chassis to make it easier to drive and setup doesn`t have to be spot on to get the same times etc.
If you have a twin deck CF chassis then i assume there will be very little flex so this may make it a little more erratic over the bumpy stuff, but having said that Northys car looked stunning yesterday.

[PaulRotheram]

more steering, yes i said it.. i want MORE

[RLGfx]

lee,

that was one thing that's been playing on my mind a little, i might do away with the 'box' design for the chassis, and instead just have a twin deck, possibly with a bit of o-ring trickery to allow a bit of flex. I did this with an old touring car that had a 2-piece top deck and it let things move just that little bit.

It's all just pictures in my head at the moment, but I'm certainly tempted to make it happen!

[RLGfx]

paul,

me too! more mid corner is what i'm after! Maybe i'm just still a 4wd driver at heart!

[BenG]

lee,

that was one thing that's been playing on my mind a little, i might do away with the 'box' design for the chassis, and instead just have a twin deck, possibly with a bit of o-ring trickery to allow a bit of flex. I did this with an old touring car that had a 2-piece top deck and it let things move just that little bit.

It's all just pictures in my head at the moment, but I'm certainly tempted to make it happen!

I thought bout that. I had an FT TC4 and an XRAY T2 chassis flex could be changed, and it was a very effective set-up ability, mostly when you wanted more grip, or steering.

[BenG]

Speaking of custom cars and all, I am starting up my new website soon, air-speed.eu dedicated to custom RC cars. ;)

[millzy]

Im with Nick that the b4 is good as it is, but it dose need fine tuning to the driver and the little mods allways help and are fun

[RLGfx]

i agree that the b4 is a great car, and it does go well as per the kit. I'm just interested to see what I can do, and how (and if) i can make any improvements

[philly]

Speaking of custom cars and all, I am starting up my new website soon, air-speed.eu dedicated to custom RC cars. ;)

Still waiting to see you last project out on the track...and now you're moving on to the next! Youth of today. :)

[BenG]

Still waiting to see you last project out on the track...and now you're moving on to the next! Youth of today. :)


I have 2 projects on the go.

My car, and the E-project

The car will be tested next week at batley :D:D;)

[MK999]

Steering linkages, only thing I have a problem with so far on the car, is the play in that and the fact it can go over center, just fiddled with that and went "ew" :p

[Richard Lowe]

I'm still not convinced of this 'flex is good' theory. I've been running a plastic car recently and arn't too keen on it, it feels really inconsistent to me :o

Then again I also seem to be one of the few who use in-line axles everywhere too :wtf:

[rich_cree]

:D I'm still not convinced of this 'flex is good' theory. I've been running a plastic car recently and arn't too keen on it, it feels really inconsistent to me :o

Then again I also seem to be one of the few who use in-line axles everywhere too :wtf:

This one seems to be thinking for himself, hmm.....scary...

[PaulRotheram]

ive started to use inlines.. ive tried it at about 3 different tracks now and it seems ok.. but i seriously need more steering, or loosen up the rear end..

I've no extra lead in the car at all.. i assume this could help if i add some?

any one is welcome to try my b4 at bury this sunday.. i'm open to suggestions what to do.

[franki]

We Rob, one thing i know you will make a good job of it thats for sure.

Good luck with that bud

Regards


Frank

[elvo]

:D

This one seems to be thinking for himself, hmm.....scary...


In the AE camp!?? Surely this must be a mistake :rolleyes:

[OldTimer]

The motor hanging out the back is so retro ;) there is a lot more you can do with B4 parts:p

[Northy]

but i seriously need more steering..

But what type of steering as Elvo would say? ;)

[Northy]

The motor hanging out the back is so retro ;) there is a lot more you can do with B4 parts:p

This man speaks the truth. :D :D :D :D

G

[elvo]

;) there is a lot more you can do with B4 parts:p


Yes! You can build Broken Parts Monsters, and make BQ ornaments ;)

[annie_himself]

All most people want is a change, the perfoemance is excellent from the cars out now so a change is what most people are looking for. Stuff like, new chassis, lower CG, smoother tranny, laydown shocks, just different from the normal layout or current design.

[PaulRotheram]

But what type of steering as Elvo would say? ;)

some that will make my car go around the corner :o

[MK999]

put slicks on the back, looooads of steering then, oversteer in fact, lots of it :D

[Ron Burgundy]

what is it with you guys taking a world champion car and having the illusion that your "homemade yet professional" job is going to make it better...

Dont bother, instead of wasting your time butchering a car, go have a john bull and get the excitement out of your system..

These companies have tried these things and a car just doesnt get built by AE or Team Losi as a "hit and hope" style thing where they are all sitting around thinking "shite I hope this thing can get round a track quick", they put years into building a car....

that goes for all you mid mounted clowns as well! :)

[RLGfx]

what is it with you guys taking a world champion car and having the illusion that your "homemade yet professional" job is going to make it better...

Dont bother, instead of wasting your time butchering a car, go have a john bull and get the excitement out of your system..

These companies have tried these things and a car just doesnt get built by AE or Team Losi as a "hit and hope" style thing where they are all sitting around thinking "shite I hope this thing can get round a track quick", they put years into building a car....

that goes for all you mid mounted clowns as well! :)


well thats constructive...

[BenG]

well thats constructive...

That is true though.

I think AE will have covered the Mid-Motor idea, and Losi Definitely have.

And yet they still make a rear mounted motor? :D

However, this is not to say you couldnt make a new chassis, play with the battery posistion and overall geometry.

I have done this with my B4. Will be making it a mid mounted next week. :D

[RLGfx]

the motor is staying out at the back, I'm basically making the chassis narrower and (hopefully) stiffer (i know all about the reasons for having a flexi plastic chassis and how we're all going back to plastic cars :rolleyes: ) and trying to get the weight more central.

At the end of the day, if it doesn't work, at least I'll have tried and i can always go back to the standard chassis, as i'll only be butchering an old chassis, and little or nothing else will need to be changed.

[BenG]

the motor is staying out at the back, I'm basically making the chassis narrower and (hopefully) stiffer (i know all about the reasons for having a flexi plastic chassis and how we're all going back to plastic cars :rolleyes: ) and trying to get the weight more central.

At the end of the day, if it doesn't work, at least I'll have tried and i can always go back to the standard chassis, as i'll only be butchering an old chassis, and little or nothing else will need to be changed.

For the sake of a few £'s have fun mate.

All I need to make my car back to a B4 is the chassis and the B4 towers e.t.c

I have made my own of pretty much everything, without the need to kill a B4.;)

[jimmy]

I fancy making a B4 based version of my brass frame buggy - maybe with steel or ally tubing / rod though - Don't suppose anyone knows how to join aluminium rod do they? weld? I'm not cool enough do to that.

The brass beast didn't last too long - a combination of 1979 parts and soft brass tubing didn't have what it took to handle 14 winds of brute force.

[Northy]

That is true though.

I think AE will have covered the Mid-Motor idea, and Losi Definitely have.

And yet they still make a rear mounted motor? :D



What makes you say Losi have tried it? A couple of guys tried it on thier own, but it was never a true Losi development. I'm affraid to say that Losi are not really interested in the racing cars any more so I don't think they will invest in even trying it officially, let alone moulding new parts.

G

[Wraggy]

What makes you say Losi have tried it? G
maybe this pic my mean thay have tried it G ??
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/midlosi/bigimages/midlosi02.jpg

[OldTimer]

What people seem to forget is that the B4 has evolved over the last 23 years since the original RC10, so it is very very refined design with the motor out the back. On the other hand i have only been running mid motor prototypes for just under a year, and x factory around the same with the X6.

It will be a bold move for a large manufacture to produce a mid motor car, but it could be the start of a big shift in 2wd design.

[Northy]

maybe this pic my mean thay have tried it G ??
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/midlosi/bigimages/midlosi02.jpg

"A couple of guys tried it on thier own, but it was never a true Losi development."
G

[Wraggy]

i will stand corrected and stand in the corner ..:(
im over here if anyone wants me :rolleyes:

[Chris Doughty]

what car am I running now? :p

[Nick Goodall]

The X-6, and other mid-motor cars are still yet to prove anything though, there's not been any sort of result or convincing performance and yet i see it as quite a major change on a 2wd buggy.

What i'm basically saying is it's certainly not any Better is it? It may be a bit different, and may work ok at certain tracks but a car needs to work at all tracks which from what i've seen results wise the B4 does perfectly no?

I didn't want to be as harsh as the other guy, but to be honest that's basically what i was trying to say - i wish people would just try and concentrate on racing and doing well at it rather then attempting to be clever and make a car that's won everything going, and still winning everything "better" by doing mods that just don't seem to make any sense?

The guys in the US just race the cars, yet over here there seems to be a whole new phase of home improvement style mods and i personally just don't see the point (but obviously it's a matter of personal opinion, i'm just explaining mine) :D

What happened to just getting as good as you can at the sticks/wheel?? You're not going to "cheat" your way to victory by moving the motor about or making it stiffer here and there - the standard XXX CR or B4 are more then capable IF YOU ARE ;)

[OldTimer]

So your basically saying i am wasting my time developing the S4 & S2, and i should accept what manufactures produce as the best there is ;)

[BenG]

The X-6, and other mid-motor cars are still yet to prove anything though, there's not been any sort of result or convincing performance and yet i see it as quite a major change on a 2wd buggy.

What i'm basically saying is it's certainly not any Better is it? It may be a bit different, and may work ok at certain tracks but a car needs to work at all tracks which from what i've seen results wise the B4 does perfectly no?

I didn't want to be as harsh as the other guy, but to be honest that's basically what i was trying to say - i wish people would just try and concentrate on racing and doing well at it rather then attempting to be clever and make a car that's won everything going, and still winning everything "better" by doing mods that just don't seem to make any sense?

The guys in the US just race the cars, yet over here there seems to be a whole new phase of home improvement style mods and i personally just don't see the point (but obviously it's a matter of personal opinion, i'm just explaining mine) :D

What happened to just getting as good as you can at the sticks/wheel?? You're not going to "cheat" your way to victory by moving the motor about or making it stiffer here and there - the standard XXX CR or B4 are more then capable IF YOU ARE ;)

I personally don't do it solely to improve the car. I also do it for the satisfaction of having a car I made myself that doesn't run half bad ;)

Some people like racing, like me.

Others like building a kit, like me.

I combined them into a new interest of making hybrid, self-developed cars.
I can then race and develop the car all at once ;)

[RLGfx]

christ.... what have i started....

I'm really doing this as an experiment... I never said that i am making the B4 better, or the B4 is bad... I think it's a great car and considering how long I've been out of off road, i think i'm doing ok to make regional Bs (or top of C on a really bad day... like Oswestry) with it, and this is testimony to how easy the car is to drive.

I'm doing this just to see what I can do, It's not going to be a radical change from the B4, all i'm doing is moving the batteries! It'll probably never get past the GRP stage... but a carbon version would look sweet... I've got a basic outline for the cahssis with a rough radio/cells layout drawn up, and it's going to look fantastic... and that's the most important thing... :D

[Nick Goodall]

So your basically saying i am wasting my time developing the S4 & S2, and i should accept what manufactures produce as the best there is ;)

4wd is a different beast altogether as has been shown, and there's much more room for development there i agree, whereas 2wd i do believe there's not a lot to be achieved from playing with the current crop of B4's and XXX - Look at the new Kyosho, hardly radical is it? Just their own version of a B4 / XXX if you like really....... which again says to me that there isn't some magic formula out there to make a better 2wd car by moving the weight around a bit, especially when it's being done by mainly people in their garages/bedrooms - i think if you can run round behind the top of the field at a National doing similar lap times then yes you may see a need to change the car or try something new as you then MIGHT find yourself a tad quicker, but i just think the B4 is sorted and good enough to win anywhere and think people are more likely to get put off and go backwards with their racing if they keep messing about with the car as they will just get frustrated.

I'm taking this pretty light hearted and certainly don't want to offend anyone as it's all a matter of opinion - and from my own personal one, the cars are good enough if you are and i thought we all "raced" for the same reasons?? Enjoy anyway :cool:

[Kopite]

You really are missing the point, Rob wants to customise the car because he enjoys it, it's not only to try and improve the car. I totally understand where he's coming from. I do this hobby not only to race, but i love the technical side of things too. Yeah, the b4 is the class of the field (on most tracks), but if someone wants to make mods to it, then why the hell not!

[BenG]

You really are missing the point, Rob wants to customise the car because he enjoys it, it's not only to try and improve the car. I totally understand where he's coming from. I do this hobby not only to race, but i love the technical side of things too. Yeah, the b4 is the class of the field (on most tracks), but if someone wants to make mods to it, then why the hell not!

Yeah, thats what I feel like. I like racing. I like building. What problem does it cause anyone else? None. Unless you pull a me, and don't build anything for 3 years, till now. :D

[Wraggy]

but i love the technical side of things too. !

so what was it i heard you say when you came of the rostrum after your 1st final on sun when you broke your Bell Crank then stan ????:D :D ;)

[Kopite]

so what was it i heard you say when you came of the rostrum after your 1st final on sun when you broke your Bell Crank then stan ????:D :D ;)


it was 'excellent, a chance to rebuild the front end of the car again, i simply can't wait'

either that or 'BOLLOX BOLLOX BOLLOX', i can't remember which now:D

[Wraggy]

it was 'excellent, a chance to rebuild the front end of the car again, i simply can't wait'

either that or 'BOLLOX BOLLOX BOLLOX', i can't remember which now:D
not even close mate :D
i cant remember who picked your car up but they went up to you at the end and said you had broke your bell crank to which you responded "whats one of them " :eh?: .it was a classic moment ,,
you love the technical side so much lol ;) ..

[Nick Goodall]

You really are missing the point, Rob wants to customise the car because he enjoys it, it's not only to try and improve the car. I totally understand where he's coming from. I do this hobby not only to race, but i love the technical side of things too. Yeah, the b4 is the class of the field (on most tracks), but if someone wants to make mods to it, then why the hell not!

As I said it's only a personal opinion, PERSONALLY i don't see the point lol :D

[millzy]

what is a b4 bell crank? and how the hell did you brake one on the front?

[Kopite]

i like to call it 'the front end thingy', i'm a technical genius:wtf:

[Wraggy]

what is a b4 bell crank? and how the hell did you brake one on the front?
yeah it was Millzy :D

[millzy]

i like to call it 'the front end thingy', i'm a technical genius:wtf:



ah yeah ive got them on order with cml

they come in a pack of -12

[Kopite]

As I said it's only a personal opinion, PERSONALLY i don't see the point lol :D

well, i'm sure Robin really appreciates your help there :wtf:

[Nick Goodall]

Well everyone's entitled to an opinion, whether YOU think it's helping or not :D

He asked "ok, what do people think would make the B4 a better car? "

People have given answers, they don't all have to be to your liking :-)

[Lee Martin]

well, i'm sure Robin really appreciates your help there :wtf:

dont be sarky

nicks only making his opinion heard...

same as yourself.:yawn:

[OldTimer]

I'm taking this pretty light hearted and certainly don't want to offend anyone as it's all a matter of opinion - and from my own personal one, the cars are good enough if you are and i thought we all "raced" for the same reasons?? Enjoy anyway :cool:

No problem at all ;) this is a forum and the place to debate these things, i think the current 2wd cars can be improved upon, you don't :D:D

[Northy]

And there is also the fact that the 2 (or 3 now) main players have designed their cars to be fast on brown dirt....... ;) ;) ;)

I race on green dirt...... :D :D :D

G

[BenG]

And there is also the fact that the 2 (or 3 now) main players have designed their cars to be fast on brown dirt....... ;) ;) ;)

I race on green dirt...... :D :D :D

G

Thing is, if no-one pushes on with the mid-motor concept, then how do we know how good it is?

So Northy, keep developing sire, we need innovative and creative people like you to keep pushing foward.

When someone said: I am going to invent a hunk of metal, that rolls on bin lids, and is powered by small controlled explosions, people laughed. The result?
http://www.evo10.com/imgs/evo.jpg
The daddy of all cars

[tc2k]

Nice Bin lids

[ryan]

Wish my bin had lids like that, i could sell them for a fair amount lol:p

[PaulRotheram]

that car is offensive to my eyes.

[MK999]

that car is offensive to my eyes.

The harsh lines scare away all but the bravest and fearless petrolheads :D Personally I like most cars that don't look like the bubbles most manufacturers are producing.

[bigred5765]

there's a lot of jelly moulds out there,

[Ron Burgundy]

how many wins has an mid motor mounted car had as opposed to a rear mounted motor?

How much money are you guys going to waste before you go back to the rear mount... Atomic?????

PaulR - are you seriously suggesting in all your apparent knowledge that you know Team Losi have NEVER tried a mid mounted motor setup? Come on my friend, how long have you been involved with the running of Team Losi america and your afiliation with Gil Jnr and Snr? Long?

And are you also saying that Team Losi are no longer interested in Car racing at all? mate ring them, speak to a member of the R&D team and ask how their 8IGHT campaign is going... Your sarky thoughts and cutting down people cause of your "apparent knowledge" man is not stupid, its embarassing...

All of you guys, tell me why if it such a HUGE advantage to have a mid mounted car, are you not winning on a grand scale (club meets not included at ma and pa's backyard bash) I guess Kyosho, Team Losi, AE, etc in no particular order, have got it wrong hey?

its light hearted until you make a brief, piss take of a comment champion :)

[Ron Burgundy]

And there is also the fact that the 2 (or 3 now) main players have designed their cars to be fast on brown dirt....... ;) ;) ;)

I race on green dirt...... :D :D :D

G


An even better reason to start actually racing on dirt, instead of pretending;)

[Lee Martin]

we cant race on dirt.....our climate says we cant....

if we only had dirt tracks we would never race....

we need a millionaire who will make lots of indoor venues like comp hobbies

[Northy]

An even better reason to start actually racing on dirt, instead of pretending;)

Have you ever visited England? :confused: I would love to race on dirt.

[BenG]

Most UK racers dream of dirt, and an indoor complex similar to the privileged US racers.

We have to face the biggest player of all. Mrs Weather. She don't half throw some ol' crap at us here in the UK. :D

[Northy]

I like the rain, especially whenit starts just after I've had a stonking clean qualifying run in the dry! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[Richard Lowe]

Rain assist, engage :D

[BenG]

lol.

My car is almost ready to run this weekend, whoop. Only, if aluminum gets wet, will it corrode?:o:p:):D

[MK999]

aluminium corrodes as soon as you cut it, it develops a small layer of aluminium oxide on the surface (iron oxide from iron is rust) which is inert, which is why it doesn't "corrode" properly at all :)

[Northy]

Rain assist, engage :D


:) :) oh, did I tq that round? ;) ;) :D :D :D :D :

[Teddy truman]

how many wins has an mid motor mounted car had as opposed to a rear mounted motor?

How much money are you guys going to waste before you go back to the rear mount... Atomic?????

PaulR - are you seriously suggesting in all your apparent knowledge that you know Team Losi have NEVER tried a mid mounted motor setup? Come on my friend, how long have you been involved with the running of Team Losi america and your afiliation with Gil Jnr and Snr? Long?

And are you also saying that Team Losi are no longer interested in Car racing at all? mate ring them, speak to a member of the R&D team and ask how their 8IGHT campaign is going... Your sarky thoughts and cutting down people cause of your "apparent knowledge" man is not stupid, its embarassing...

All of you guys, tell me why if it such a HUGE advantage to have a mid mounted car, are you not winning on a grand scale (club meets not included at ma and pa's backyard bash) I guess Kyosho, Team Losi, AE, etc in no particular order, have got it wrong hey?

its light hearted until you make a brief, piss take of a comment champion :)

your not on here to make friends are you?:o

[Cooper]

in Belgium and Holland we don't have more or less rain then you guys (that is what my geography teacher always told me)
and we have 3 dirt tracks :)

[jimmy]

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/kidderminsternational2007/kid130507/bigimages/OOP_6325.jpg (http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/kidderminsternational2007/kid130507/bigimages/OOP_6325.jpg)
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/bury190507/bigimages/OOP_6574.jpg (http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/bury190507/bigimages/OOP_6574.jpg)
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/telford260806/bigimages/elford2wd001.jpg

[RLGfx]

this appears to be turning in to a 'slag of the guys who are willing to try stuff' thread...

:rolleyes:

if nobody experimented with stuff we'd all be living in caves and eating raw meat, then what would we all do on a sunday?

[RLGfx]

how many wins has an mid motor mounted car had as opposed to a rear mounted motor?

How much money are you guys going to waste before you go back to the rear mount... Atomic?????

PaulR - are you seriously suggesting in all your apparent knowledge that you know Team Losi have NEVER tried a mid mounted motor setup? Come on my friend, how long have you been involved with the running of Team Losi america and your afiliation with Gil Jnr and Snr? Long?

And are you also saying that Team Losi are no longer interested in Car racing at all? mate ring them, speak to a member of the R&D team and ask how their 8IGHT campaign is going... Your sarky thoughts and cutting down people cause of your "apparent knowledge" man is not stupid, its embarassing...

All of you guys, tell me why if it such a HUGE advantage to have a mid mounted car, are you not winning on a grand scale (club meets not included at ma and pa's backyard bash) I guess Kyosho, Team Losi, AE, etc in no particular order, have got it wrong hey?

its light hearted until you make a brief, piss take of a comment champion :)

erm, have you ever seen an AC S2 in the flesh? in my opinion this is simply the best looking 2wd on the market, and if i had the ready's i'd be running one myself... maybe next year!

[BenG]

this appears to be turning in to a 'slag of the guys who are willing to try stuff' thread...

:rolleyes:

if nobody experimented with stuff we'd all be living in caves and eating raw meat, then what would we all do on a sunday?

Ala Jeremy Clarkson. ;)

Yeah, we need to try stuff. If you want mate add me on msn tyrc@hotmail.co.uk and I can show you my custom B4 I have almost finished. Its innovative cos its long, and very, very thin.

[Kopite]

Ala Jeremy Clarkson. ;)

Yeah, we need to try stuff. If you want mate add me on msn tyrc@hotmail.co.uk and I can show you my custom B4 I have almost finished. Its innovative cos its long, and very, very thin.

are we still talking about the same thing here?:D

Rob, remember when Keiran Southern made those fiberglass wishbones? And his car just prolapsed when it hit a tyre?:D

[RLGfx]

that was most humorous... they weren't fibregalss though, they were acrylic... pink transparent acrylic... :o

[BenG]

that was most humorous... they weren't fibregalss though, they were acrylic... pink transparent acrylic... :o

oh dear, not the most versatile material :o:p

[Kopite]

oh dear, not the most versatile material :o:p

He was a *****!

[RLGfx]

that's just not nice... lol... :D

[Wraggy]

He was a *****!

how Rude !!!!:rolleyes:

[RLGfx]

rude, and not nice... but pretty accurate... :D :D :D

[Kopite]

So, what are you gonna do to the car then Rob? Do you wanna buy my b4 for parts to butcher? I'm selling mine now

[RLGfx]

basically all i'm doing is modding the chassis, a 3 piece carbon fibre job (eventually) with saddle pack cell arrangement, and a 2-piece lower deck, single piece upper. Narrower too, but i'm going to try to get all the radio on the lower plate if i can. May even have the ESC behind the cells on the chassis.

The graph paper sketches and stuff are looking pretty good, i've got a basic lower plate cut from thick 3mm acetate at the moment, but i think i'm just going to give the drawings to a friendly enginerr who has a better chance of cutting and drilling it accurately than i do!

The only part I'm struggling to get my head around is mounting the back end on to the flat chassis. I'm in the process of obtaining an old chassis to cut up and use for mounting, but I'm going to have a proper look over the weekend and see what else I can come up with.

[Kopite]

better not be saturday night son, we're out in Liverpool pulling orange birds

[BenG]

The only part I'm struggling to get my head around is mounting the back end on to the flat chassis. I'm in the process of obtaining an old chassis to cut up and use for mounting, but I'm going to have a proper look over the weekend and see what else I can come up with.

Use BJ4 pivot blocks, and some 6mm ali rod.

Or You could cut the whole end of the B4 off, like I did, chassis and all, and bolt it on.

Our cars will be layed out pretty much the same from what you described, will be nice to see yours. ;)

[RLGfx]

don't worry... saturday night has been seat aside for the wonderful tangerine ladies of liverpool...

at the moment it's looking lke i'm going to hack the back end of a chassis, and use this as a mounting plate. I'll have a proper look at how it all goes together first though!

[BenG]

don't worry... saturday night has been seat aside for the wonderful tangerine ladies of liverpool...

at the moment it's looking lke i'm going to hack the back end of a chassis, and use this as a mounting plate. I'll have a proper look at how it all goes together first though!

hehe, I can send you pics of my rear end :D:D:D:D (Airspeed AS2)

If you like?

[RLGfx]

erm... i really don't know how to reply to that! :o

[BenG]

hahaha. For reference, I did mean my AS2 ( My car's name) :D:D
erm... i really don't know how to reply to that! :o

[Kopite]

erm... i really don't know how to reply to that! :o

send him a naked picture of yourself. you two LURVE each other xxxxxx:D

[Lee Martin]

dear o dear.....

[Kopite]

dear o dear.....

Problem?:D

Rob, i have a spare chassis at home if you actually need one. It's a graphite one though, not sure if you want the plastic version.

[Lee Martin]

PROBLEM;

a state of difficulty that needs to be resolved; "she and her husband are having problems"; "it is always a job to contact him"; "urban problems such as traffic congestion and smog"

[Wraggy]

PROBLEM;

a state of difficulty that needs to be resolved; "she and her husband are having problems"; "it is always a job to contact him"; "urban problems such as traffic congestion and smog"

:D :D :D think hes got you there stan ..

[Kopite]

WTF??? :wtf:

[PaulRotheram]

better not be saturday night son, we're out in Liverpool pulling orange birds

where ya goin dude?

[Lee Martin]

WTF??? :wtf:

problem ? :D

[andy05]

better not be saturday night son, we're out in Liverpool pulling orange birds
You know when youve been tangoed:D

[BenG]

You know when youve been tangoed:D

Well, someone wil lrun upto to you and smack ya round the face, you you'll be velcroed to the roof, so I think you know when you have actually been tangoed...... ;)

[Northy]

I'm home alone this weekend, mi Julie is in Prague. :(

G

[Kopite]

probably start at slaters for some cheap booze, then move on to concert square. wouldn't say no to a bit of Reflex too....

mmm orange birds

[Ron Burgundy]

we cant race on dirt.....our climate says we cant....

if we only had dirt tracks we would never race....

we need a millionaire who will make lots of indoor venues like comp hobbies


ha for sure man, hey shame we couldnt see you boys in Cactus this year, was on the way with mole and griffo and paindoggs but work pulled the pin, you in for next year?

[Ron Burgundy]

Have you ever visited England? :confused: I would love to race on dirt.


Yah I have... come to Australia champion, flat track grass bites

[Ron Burgundy]

erm, have you ever seen an AC S2 in the flesh? in my opinion this is simply the best looking 2wd on the market, and if i had the ready's i'd be running one myself... maybe next year!


mate i didnt say once in the quote that it didnt look good, yeah a carbon firbe cricket bat would look good too, strap a motor to that and see how it goes....

you fellas keep wasting your time and money making a car that is slow, by all means. Ring up chazz and tell him he's onto a good thing too! a good thing making a sled maybe!:confused:

[RLGfx]

in all honesty, if you've got nothing constructive to say, why bother?

[BenG]

in all honesty, if you've got nothing constructive to say, why bother?

tell me about it.

New things dont just happen. They need time and work. I guess Rob would still be in caves, saying,mmm, this is nice, whilst we are climbing hills looking for a house :D:D:D

[Kopite]

in all honesty, if you've got nothing constructive to say, why bother?


Just don't get why someone would think that you started this thread for the sole reason of getting slagged off! it baffles me...

if u need a hug Rob, let me know :)

[RLGfx]

if i wanted to get slagged off, i'd start talking to you at the pub... :D :D :D

[PaulRotheram]

dug up from the depths...

noticed this on the worlds pics:

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/worldchampionships-2007/day2/OOP_6681.html

I've heard murmers around the track about this.. and seems its true. Different toe in blocks? wonder what they have settled with..

[elvo]

Yes, more toe-in. I have a whole range of those....

[Chris Doughty]

I would have thought another reason (or THE reason) for this is the weight?

looks like brass to me, saves you having to cram lead in there, its also lower down.

[Nick Goodall]

Trish made one of those for Lee........ not sure if it's his car though?

[Southwell]

Im pretty sure it is, not many people have those horrible blue receivers in their cars ;)

[Chris Doughty]

yes, looked like Lee's car when I saw it.

[Lee Martin]

it is indeed mine!!!

and yes...its all about the weight!!!!

contact me for purchase of this item from Trish Bits.....

[Kopite]

bloody good idea that.

[Nick Goodall]

Woody had a Front Bulkhead made for his RB-5 Didn't he? Similar sort of idea i guess but yeah definitely a good one.

Trish said he's going to try and make it so you can unscrew a section of it so that the weight can be adjusted too.

[Lee Martin]

its easy......i have told him how!

Pidge designs!

indeed!