Schumacher Cougar SV 2WD Buggy

[jimmy]

Schumacher have at last confirmed the rumours of a new 2WD buggy with a stealthily photoshopped shilouette of the new 'Cougar SV'. The picture doesn't give away much but with the buggy doing the rounds in secret testing recently rumour is that it might make a debut at the Petit race in the UK this coming weekend.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/news/cougarsv.jpg

Schumacher: Schumacher have brought you a tradition of Performance technology, with a pedigree second to none, the Cougar SV is no exception! Engineered by some of the most respected design guru’s in the R/C industry, the Cougar SV retains the same Schumacher ethos, yet uses a fresh approach to modern technology.


http://www.racing-cars.com/scp/news/products.asp?partno=news969

[mikeyscott]

When and how much :D

Hope to see it at Petit!!!

[Ben Turner]

Still has the rubber band wing mounts hehe! Looking forward to seeing this....

[/tobys]

I for one am looking forward to more information being released....

:)

[mark christopher]

no motor out the back!

[hide]

I heard around £200

[mikeyscott]

I heard around £200

Not bad at all

[poopers]

Looks very nice so far, there's something almost retro about that image too.

[telboy]

You're right Mark, the spur gear has a moulding in the bodyshell. So its obviously mid motored.

Looks like a classic retro designed shell, very cool looking.

[hide]

I've also heard stickpack down the middle, not sure on how reliable that it.

[Chrislong]

I hear it is awesome, and that was after wet track testing. So guys - defo keep eye on this one!! :thumbsup:

[CODMAN]

I hope it was designed around Lipos... and not Cells this time...:p

[jim76]

has a hint of "XLS" about it in that pic. looks good

[MikePimlott]

cant wait to see this in the flesh. :thumbsup:

[Garry Driffill]

Is it me or does it look kinda retro! :wub

[David Church]

I heard it has a turbo and independent rear wheel braking for more mid corner pivot!!!:p

[dancoog]

I hope they bring back the viscous drive!! jk:woot:

[mw02veg]

hahahahah dc. unfortunatly in wont make an apperence at the petit. the cars are on a plane going somewhere :p

[David Church]

hahahahah dc. unfortunatly in wont make an apperence at the petit. the cars are on a plane going somewhere :p


Oi don't bust my bubble!!!! Hahahaha:p

[stegger]

They look like BIG bore shocks on it, are they ?

[brookie]

hahahahah dc. unfortunatly in wont make an apperence at the petit. the cars are on a plane going somewhere :p

somewhere in Germany?

[David Church]

somewhere in Germany?


But the Petit race is not there???:confused:

[mikeyscott]

Toy fair place then. More details next week then. Unless they have a show one for Petit

[David Church]

Toy fair place then. More details next week then. Unless they have a show one for Petit


Don't spoil it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

[coolcars782]

Toy fair place then. More details next week then. Unless they have a show one for Petit

Nuremberg toy fair you mean?

[mikeyscott]

Don't spoil it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

For the record I haven't heard anything. Just guessing....

If they wanted a surprise they should have kept quiet until the toy fair or petit or whatever it is

[David Church]

For the record I haven't heard anything. Just guessing....

If they wanted a surprise they should have kept quiet until the toy fair or petit or whatever it is


I am guessing this will do!!!

[mikeyscott]

Either way I'll be saving for one / asking for a pay rise at work!

I wish them luck with the launch and the car etc. :)

[Jonesy]

As a team driver I can honestly say that I REALLY REALLY REALLY can't wait to get my hands on this car. My current 2wd did me fantastic in the 2009 Nationals but based on the rumours I've heard I honestly feel this will help to improve my results further.

I'm kind of glad it's not at the Petit as well as I'm not there!!

Looking forward to seeing Mossy, Grant or Tommy C with it shortly :thumbsup:

[mikeyscott]

As a team driver I can honestly say that I REALLY REALLY REALLY can't wait to get my hands on this car. My current 2wd did me fantastic in the 2009 Nationals but based on the rumours I've heard I honestly feel this will help to improve my results further.

I'm kind of glad it's not at the Petit as well as I'm not there!!

Looking forward to seeing Mossy, Grant or Tommy C with it shortly :thumbsup:

Shame you're not a Petit

[Jonesy]

Shame you're not a Petit

Aye, just one weekend too much unfortunately mate. Pregnant missus and the weekend away at the BRCA Open Meeting in 2 weeks coupled with a number of club races plus the 240 mile journey to get there.

Maybe next time, I heard amazing things about it.

Back onto the Cougar SV though, I still can't wait!!

[Matisse]

ticks off 2wd list,

ae - check
Losi - check
Kyosho - Check
Schumacher - check
Tamyia - next?

good to have the cougar back, looking forward to some more info.

[Cooper]

wwhohooooooo bring me that schumy!!
byebye X6

[bigred5765]

so anyone making a trip over to the toy fair just in case it makes a appearance??

[Sebastian]

ticks off 2wd list,

ae - check
X Factory - check
Losi - check
Atomic Carbon - check
Kyosho - Check
Schumacher - check
Tamyia - next?

good to have the cougar back, looking forward to some more info.

....

[chris_smith]

ok iv seen enough, where do i sign up for one :thumbsup:

[budgio]

ticks off 2wd list,

ae - check
Losi - check
Kyosho - Check
Schumacher - check
Tamyia - next?

good to have the cougar back, looking forward to some more info.

Hey you forgot the Madrat :thumbsup:

[frogger]

so anyone making a trip over to the toy fair just in case it makes a appearance??

If I can get my boss to pay for the plane ticket then I'll be there :thumbsup:

[bbq]

Nürnber toy fair is 4-9th next month

[Rookie]

i think ill phone up n put a deposit down on 1, if they allow it.

[ulrich]

They look like BIG bore shocks on it, are they ?

For me it seems to be the normal shocks.


Jim76:
has a hint of "XLS" about it in that pic. looks good


Sorry but I can´t find it.. please help !!!!!! :-)

[ryanlownie]

Mmm this thing is going to be good, I think I'll hold out buying a 2WD until this is released :p

Does anybody know which day(s) of the Toy Fair that the big names actually unveil all their newest products such as the Cougar (if they do) and the DNX408 e.t.c.. I happen to be in Germany a day before the fair starts so might be worth trying to get along for photos!

[B4 Sloth]

I Need one. I now need to bring my birthday forward by several months.

[Smartalec]

I heard it has a turbo and independent rear wheel braking for more mid corner pivot!!!:p
Nathan will be pleased then ;)

[stical]

Maybe a bizarre question but I'm going to ask it anyhow.

What does the "SV" in Cougar SV stand for ?

Erik

[ulrich]

Maybe a bizarre question but I'm going to ask it anyhow.

What does the "SV" in Cougar SV stand for ?

Erik

what does "SX" in CAT SX stand for? :)

[stical]

what does "SX" in CAT SX stand for? :)

I don't have a clue, sorry I'm from back in the days when the first CAT came out, been on a break for the past 18 years :blush:

[mikeyscott]

Maybe a bizarre question but I'm going to ask it anyhow.

What does the "SV" in Cougar SV stand for ?

Erik

Maybe someone at Schumacher has a Lambo tucked away somewhere!

[Cruise]

@Ry @ JE Spares:be aware that the toy fair is not open public.You need an invitation as dealer (I suppose you are) or you have to prove that you are press.

Cruise

[Lowie]

They look like BIG bore shocks on it, are they ?wishfull thinking ;):woot::woot:

[bigred5765]

is it really wishfull thinking or not?i think they look like big bores on that picture,

[mikeyscott]

Seriously are big bores needed on a 2WD car and depends what they define as big bores?

Team Losi and Associated shocks are bigger than the current Schumacher shocks so does that mean they are big bore shocks?

[bigred5765]

go watch the vid jimmy posted, then you can come back and edit your post lol

[Darren Boyle]

Maybe a bizarre question but I'm going to ask it anyhow.

What does the "SV" in Cougar SV stand for ?

Erik

I could be totally wrong here..... but my guess is the Cat SX was the tenth (or so) generation of the "Cat" hence the roman numeral "X" for 10 and this will be the fifth generation of Cougar, hence "V" for 5....... :confused:

[bigred5765]

hay not bad there darren,i have no idea what they mean ill have to ask,

[stical]

I could be totally wrong here..... but my guess is the Cat SX was the tenth (or so) generation of the "Cat" hence the roman numeral "X" for 10 and this will be the fifth generation of Cougar, hence "V" for 5....... :confused:

That's what I thought but the S made me doubt it hence my question.

Thanks for confirming and clarifying.
Erik

[Darren Boyle]

I assumed the S was for "Schumacher" or "Series" maybe....

[jimmy]

I think most manufacturers make up some letters that sound cool (usually containing a number or the letter X) and then sometimes try to make up a reason for it.

[Lowie]

Someone mentioned £200 as a selling price.
Is that a valid presumption? Or very unlickely?

[_sleigh_]

That's what I thought but the S made me doubt it hence my question.

Thanks for confirming and clarifying.
Erik

I'd agree, "S" is normally a roman letter for 1/2.

So that'd be Cat 5 and Cougar 2.5 :confused:

[hide]

Someone mentioned £200 as a selling price.
Is that a valid presumption? Or very unlickely?

Thats what I heard when the car was first announced, guess only time will tell.

[Chris Ashton]

I could be totally wrong here..... but my guess is the Cat SX was the tenth (or so) generation of the "Cat" hence the roman numeral "X" for 10 and this will be the fifth generation of Cougar, hence "V" for 5....... :confused:

Bugger rumbled!

Smart cookie that man from DMS! :thumbsup: ;)

[Darren Boyle]

:thumbsup: :woot:

[SHY]

This is gonna be a best seller!!! :thumbsup:

[Danosborne6661]

Anyone know when these will be available? I WANT

[mrspeedy]

With what money exactly ?? :p

BTW I want too :)

[gaffer]

Yes i think i will be getting one of these, will take me back to the days of the top cat only better.

[blitzboy]

i can se im going to be busy again well at least it ll make a change from durangos hahahahahahahahahahaha i would guess that the big bores that have been on cat sx s at worksop would be an obvious choice ,, mid motor , it ll need to be in the current climate and stick pack down the middle would be an obvious chioce but mmmm it ll be tight if its got all that ,, i bet i could give it a propper testing like the cat i broke more time s than i could mention at the plyaers rematch ,,,, think ill stick my x 6 squared i like the way it handles

[lochness42]

Well G' you broke your Cat a lot, but you're animal :D

[mark-rc]

Hmmmmmm! Got me thinking about racing electric again!!

[Stevo]

£299 is the price we have been told, but we will wait and see.

[pizzaman]

£299 then around £100 worth of spares needed .ouch!!! thats seems abit steep for a 2wd,looks like i have to stick with the car ive got :(

[leon morrell]

i think thats a very sensible retail price if its as good as it looks then its well worth the money ..... and at least with schumacher you always have the backup from the factory with parts and massive support from all the team ..


considering the price of other competative 2wd cars its mega cheap!!!!

[DCM]

£299 is the price we have been told, but we will wait and see.

haa haa... they got to of had that wrong... I mean, I B4FT is less than £200....

[jimmy]

A B4 non-factory team was 240 quid when released

[DCM]

what is it's RRP now though, £189?? at £299, I know people would buy it, but I think it would put a lot off...

[poopers]

£299? That's only a tenner cheaper than the SX, and doesn't make too much sense to me. I'm gonna go with £239, a nice middle ground.

[Matt-h]

£180 from MK Racing (B4 FT)

Must admit, £250 and i may have been keen

[Lowie]

...

considering the price of other competative 2wd cars its mega cheap!!!!

euh???
The RC10B4 was and still is a VERY competitive car and is available for under £200 afaik!!

[stical]

I've also heard stickpack down the middle, not sure on how reliable that it.

Can any of the prototype testers confirm wether it would be stickpack/hardcase lipo or saddlepack lipo ?

I got both and want to sell the one that I can't use (to raise money to buy the Cougar SV :D ).

Erik

[Stevo]

The info we have been given is it will be lipo down the centre.

[Welshy40]

Well Robin told me yesterday that if all goes well it should be put on the market in March. Kindof handy just before the season starts.

[Gibbon666]

haa haa... they got to of had that wrong... I mean, I B4FT is less than £200....

If it is £299 then it's still a cheaper way to go mid motor 2WD than a B4 + X6 conversion plus I like the fact that you are buying a 2WD mid, not a 2WD + a conversion kit. I'd guess that's where they aimed their price - to compete with the X6. That's IF it is £299.

But if your happy with a B4 FT then why change? I've got a B4 FT and I'm happy with it, but this new Cougar is still interesting and very, very tempting. Just waiting to see more details before making a decision.

[mikeyscott]

B4 still won at Petit...

[DCM]

I don't understand that philosophy, It is OK to be expensive, as it is cheaper than building an AC2 or an X-6, but, allegedly, far more expensive than a B4??

[Gibbon666]

B4 still won at Petit...

I did say "I've got a B4 FT and I'm happy with it". I haven't said that there's anything wrong with a B4, but if it's mid motor that someone wants then the Cougar looks tempting.

I don't understand that philosophy, It is OK to be expensive, as it is cheaper than building an AC2 or an X-6, but, allegedly, far more expensive than a B4??

I was trying to compare apples to apples - in this case mid motor competition 2WD to another mid motor Comp 2WD. Companies usually price to compete with something similar in the market. What else would Schumacher be aiming at than the X6?

[DCM]

Well, really, your not, if you want to compare like with like, then you have to compare new kit to new kit, not a conversion, so you have to compare it to the price of a B4, XXX, RB5 etc, as it don't matter where the weight is, it is a kit with no need to convert.

[jimmy]

I don't understand that philosophy, It is OK to be expensive, as it is cheaper than building an AC2 or an X-6, but, allegedly, far more expensive than a B4??

240 quid for a standard B4 - thats how much they were when released. Compare the Cougar 6 years down the line with it's rumoured price, maybe it'll be cheaper than the rc10B5 that comes out in 2016? ;)

[jimmy]

Well, really, your not, if you want to compare like with like, then you have to compare new kit to new kit, not a conversion, so you have to compare it to the price of a B4, XXX, RB5 etc, as it don't matter where the weight is, it is a kit with no need to convert.


Steve - you're contradicting yourself there. You just said compare like for like - but the Schumacher isn't the same as those plastic chassis' cars? If Schumacher invest more and pump them out in mass volume we can all get a cheaper plastic car I'm sure. They could even make it look the same as those other three you mention - wouldn't that be awesome!:thumbsup:

[DCM]

wasn't commenting on how they are constructed, Jimbo, more that it is a complete kit, that you buy, and build, not buy, buy a conversion, and mix the two together. We could mention that like for like is the BMax and the B44...

[Gibbon666]

Well, really, your not, if you want to compare like with like, then you have to compare new kit to new kit, not a conversion, so you have to compare it to the price of a B4, XXX, RB5 etc, as it don't matter where the weight is, it is a kit with no need to convert.

As I said - I was comparing mid motor comp 2wd to mid motor comp 2wd. If you'd like to name some other mid motor 2WD non-conversion comp buggies then we can compare the prices of those. Like I said - I compared it to what I believe Schumacher are aiming at.

With it being a competition buggy, is the price tag very relevant. As long as it's not way over (£400+) then the people who really want one will find the money some way. If people are on a budget then it might not be the way to go (but racing isn't easy on a budget anyway), but people who are racing a lot will be spending more on race fees, petrol and other stuff.

If it is £299 then the street price will be lower - say £265 to £270. But this is all speculation as the price isn't confirmed.

And of course - if it comes out and doesn't do well - it won't sell. If it wins everything then people will buy it.

[DCM]

so buy that argument, as long as it is cheaper than making a new X6 Ellis Edition, thats ok, don't matter if it is well overpriced against the most competitive buggy out there, the B4?

[Gibbon666]

Yes, that's pretty much my point.

People buy the X6 don't they?

Everyone has their own preference. I'm sticking with my B4 until I get a proper look at the Cougar. Then we'll see - I might still stick with the B4 - there just isn't enough info yet to make a decision.

I take it you don't want me to reserve a Cougar for you then :D

[Chris Doughty]

there are a lot of people out there that don't really care about the price, also people that buy multiple cars in one season because they fancy a change too.

I think 50 quid here or there on the price of a competition level kit isn't going to put people off.

people will claim to be put off, but I'm sure they will have one.

don't underestimate human desire.

one thing... I wonder what wheel fitting it will have on the front...

[DCM]

I Will wait till I see the street price, I am looking for a 2wd, but I am not paying stupid money for it.

[bigred5765]

so buy that argument, as long as it is cheaper than making a new X6 Ellis Edition, thats ok, don't matter if it is well overpriced against the most competitive buggy out there, the B4?

ste were have you been? the x6 is the most competative 2wd out there at the mo, look at the national results,well it will be till the new cougar is out,so yes its still cheaper than the best out there,:thumbsup:

[James]

Schumacher will fill an actual gap in the actual market; an off the shelf mid motored car at reasonable money that will definately be competitive, be available shortly and have good parts backup, what more could you ask for from them, good job i say :thumbsup:

[bigred5765]

agree with the man above well said james,

[Darren Boyle]

Schumacher will fill an actual gap in the actual market; an off the shelf mid motored car at reasonable money that will definately be competitive, be available shortly and have good parts backup, what more could you ask for from them, good job i say :thumbsup: Not quite sure, that there is the "gap" you emntion though James, "most" of that criteria is already filled and most of the rest that currently may not be is being worked on hard already.

The current crop of cars are reasonable value (and about to improve soon too), already have the great spares back up and are also available soon if not already (and I dont just mean an X6 before anyone says :p, B4, RB5, XXXCR all included too)

[bigred5765]

I think he was talking about a mid motored production car,thats the gap,

[Darren Boyle]

I think he was talking about a mid motored production car,thats the gap,
And soon there will be several!!! LOL :woot:

[James]

And soon there will be several!!! LOL :woot:


Point proven then, there was a gap in the market ;)

You don't have to defend the X6, the car suits me perfectly :thumbsup:

[Si Coe]

What Darren is hinting at is that X Factory will be releasing complete car kits rather than conversions. Which would address that isue too. And also cost as much as a Cougar as well.


End of the day, price is determined by the market. Durangos aren't cheap, but they sell very well despite the fact you can get equivalent performance from a B44 for half the price. People are willing to pay that sort of money.

As I've always said - if you want a £299 2wd car, thats fine. The issue comes when you need a £299 2wd car to be competitive.

[mikeyscott]

I'm going to watching the market and see what happens.

I'm running a B4, XXCR and Cat SX at the moment, but an X Factory or Cougar is appealing, but as others say it all depends on cost.

[Rocking Donkey]

So was this new Schumacher running at the Petit? Lots of speculation, but very little information. Given that Schumacher are not exactly the form team in 2WD, I'm surprised that they haven't done a bit more public testing before release. I don't think they had so much to hide. If anyone on this forum was going to design a 2WD car for British tracks at the moment it would be designed with the motor in the middle, able to take LiPo sticks and with a strong diff (possibly geared?) to take all the power. It's not rocket science :-)

[Mossy]

The new Schumacher wasnt running at Petit no, and although no public testing has been completed, I can assure everyone that plenty of private testing has been.

I dont really understand the statement that Schumacher arent the form team in 2wd? Yes, they havent had a car in the 2wd market for the best part of 6 years, but when the Fireblade Evo was released it was more than competitive with the current cars that were out then - I made many National A's and won A final legs at meetings with it. I think Schumachers pedigree speaks for itself.

Price wise Im sure it will be more than competive with the current 2wd cars out there. Please dont speculate high prices when nothing has even been mentioned from the team in a official capacity.

Testing has gone well over the winter, and the cars public race debut its planned very soon. Im sure everyone will be as impressed with its performance as i have been.

Si

[DCM]

I have to agree with Simon, the Cougar and the 'Blade were always fast in the right hands, and I really hope the price is right, as I must admit, I would be very tempted!!!!

Now, how about some more sneak pics!!

[David Church]

The new 2wd was not there, but it will make an appearance very soon!

As far as the price goes, I don't understand what all this talk is about.
Schumacher are not going to over price this new 2wd, they want to sell as many as possible, but of course it will be more to start off, they have invested loads in a new 2wd and need to recoupe their investment. If they sell millions of these kits I am sure the price would drop at some stage.
Like Chris said, £50 here or there ain't gonna make a difference!!!
Hows about waiting to see what the price is, then moan, and go buy it as well:thumbsup:

[bigred5765]

it wasn't at the petite RC, why would they do public testing i see no point what so ever in that,I have seen it go in private testing and was amazed at how well it went round,and i think everyone will be well please with the layout,spec and overall performance, and cant wait to see it make it first public appearance, and as Simon said it will be soon yeah, cant wait but how soon si???

[mikeyscott]

I really look forward to seeing it and seeing it's results.

[Kev B]

From what i have seen so far it looks awesome, just cant wait to see the rest of it. ;)

[ben]

[QUOTE=bigred5765;332594]I have seen it go in private testingQUOTE]

It wasnt that private :p!!!
Photographic evidence :eh?:

[JJC]

More info on the Schuie site. :thumbsup:

http://www.racing-cars.com/images/cougarSV_black_ftq_1000.jpg

[DCM]

looking good, but could someone explain the front wishbone angle?

[Chris Doughty]

the front end looks the bollox! :thumbsup:

if the wishbone sweeps down (like a B4 rear wishbone - and these front wishbones) it gives the shock a relatively more 'layed down' angle than relative to horizontal, if the shocks are mounted on stand-off's (like the RC8) then the angle is less layed down compared to the horizontal.

[ashleyb4]

Hello im liking that....

A

[DCM]

the front end looks the bollox! :thumbsup:

if the wishbone sweeps down (like a B4 rear wishbone - and these front wishbones) it gives the shock a relatively more 'layed down' angle than relative to horizontal, if the shocks are mounted on stand-off's (like the RC8) then the angle is less layed down compared to the horizontal.

ta fella!!

[Yoldume]

wouldnt the front arm angle make ride height settings more difficult to get right by eye ?

as in arms level etc cos thwn they are level theres stil the bend in the arms

[IceMike]

Hello im liking that....

A


you cant losi boy!!

[mikeyscott]

I like it, but will see how it does on track.

[ashleyb4]

you cant losi boy!!

Im sticking to the CR2 but its diffrent for a change it isnt a copy of a b4 or a xxx.

A

[stical]

Tax refunds coming in End of March, tempting , very tempting :thumbsup:

[mikeyscott]

Tax refunds coming in End of March, tempting , very tempting :thumbsup:

I wish I've just been robbed by the tax man. I'm PAYE, they insist on a tax return and I owed them several hundreds pounds... They said a coding issue, yet they are the idiots who issue the codings.

I can't get off self assesment, yet am PAYE for a large company - w@nkers

The tax man has cost me a Cougar SV easily :cry:

As for mid motored I'm watchingit as it's been designed from the ground up

[mark christopher]

looking good, but could someone explain the front wishbone angle?
i would have said the obvious to me is you can mount the shocks lower and have a lower shock tower

[RogerM]

Interesting looking car, nice to see another challenger out there ... much better than when it was a choice of just 2 cars. Now 5 (official cars in the UK that is) straight out of the box and 2 well designed conversions, split rear / mid motored, 1/10th 2wd has never had it so good!!

Looking forward to seeing how this car goes world wide but it should be quick in the UK / Europe. Not enough to tempt me from the RB5 though.

One question ... how have they made the 2wd shell look nice when the SX shell is so odd looking? Are there 2 people designing shells at Schumacher?

[Chris Doughty]

One question ... how have they made the 2wd shell look nice when the SX shell is so odd looking? Are there 2 people designing shells at Schumacher?

I actually think it looks quite similar to the Cat SX shell and that by the nature of the chassis it doesn't taper away at the back and therefore looks 'better'

the cockpit shape looks very similar to the SX

[Al3xis007]

beauty is in eye of beholder, plus who cares if its awesome

[bigred5765]

i like both shells, there a lot nicer then some of the bloated shells out there,

[DCM]

The SV shell is more 'angular' than the SX, not a great fan of the SX, but it also depends on how you spray it!

[pat*1]

Im not a schumacher fan,but this does look quite nice.my question is...why would it be priced as high as an X6 kit and B4 together?.surely it would be about the same price as a B4 on its own as its one kit??????:confused:

[burgie]

has the price been announced anywhere yet?

[jono83]

£250+ is expected but nothing official yet but we are waiting to be pleasantly surprised

[bigred5765]

Im not a schumacher fan,but this does look quite nice.my question is...why would it be priced as high as an X6 kit and B4 together?.surely it would be about the same price as a B4 on its own as its one kit??????:confused:
and were has this price come from,?? please show us

[pat*1]

and were has this price come from,?? please show us
Just my reply to the 8 or 9 people that have said a figure of about £299 in the previous threads...OR am i not allowed to comment...:confused:

[mikeyscott]

I think we all just need to wait and see what the price comes out at and then decide what you want to do.

[stegger]

:p:p:p

For me it seems to be the normal shocks.


Jim76:
has a hint of "XLS" about it in that pic. looks good


Sorry but I can´t find it.. please help !!!!!! :-)

[bigred5765]

Just my reply to the 8 or 9 people that have said a figure of about £299 in the previous threads...OR am i not allowed to comment...:confused:
of course your allowed to comment,:D
just you made it sound like you knew that for a fact, and not i heard its going to be around

[DCM]

A shop owner had stated that he had been told £299 from Schumacher (tentative), as I thought... bugger

[mikeyscott]

A shop owner had stated that he had been told £299 from Schumacher (tentative), as I thought... bugger

If that is the case I'll be running what I have for the moment and seeing how I go.

[DCM]

But I will wait and see what the RRP is, and what the street price actually is!

[bigred5765]

i hope it isn't that high,but we will still have one,but thats still cheaper than the current mid motored car out there,if you buy new.

[Welshy40]

Lets hope they go lower than associated and losi as after all there is no import duty seeing as they are in the uk, so should be a lot cheaper. If not then they wont be getting my business.

[mark christopher]

Lets hope they go lower than associated and losi as after all there is no import duty seeing as they are in the uk, so should be a lot cheaper. If not then they wont be getting my business.


so any parts etc they have made over seas are excempt from import duties?

[mikeyscott]

so any parts etc they have made over seas are excempt from import duties?

Indeed, but that's part of making a profit and getting the product costs right.

I'll be getting one, so B4 may become avaliable fairly soon. Bought it off the Williams' for Petit and that's it.

[ian h]

If the car works straight out of the box surely even the£299 price ain't bad. My x6 cost me far more and even my mates B4 with all the brass bulkheads and batt straps would be more! I am going to buy the cougar but just hope it doesn't need another small fortune in extras to have it as you need it!

[strobe]

If the price is right i might be temted to give Electric 1/10th off road another go.:p

[terry.sc]

Lets hope they go lower than associated and losi as after all there is no import duty seeing as they are in the uk, so should be a lot cheaper. If not then they wont be getting my business.Considering that the Losi and Associated kits and cars are mass produced in China and the 4% duty paid on them is based on the price the distributor pays to the factory, not the retail or shop price, I would be surprised if Schumacher could get anywhere near the same price as the only advantage they have is that they don't have to be shipped over here.

[GRIFF55]

If the price is right i might be temted to give Electric 1/10th off road another go.:p


Get booked into them again mate!!! you know you want to!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[mikeyscott]

http://www.rossmod.co.uk/store.php?product_id=22832

£280

Don't know where they got the price from, unless it's a guess etc.

[DCM]

:( out of my price range... will have to wait for the budget version!!

[mikeyscott]

I can't see how they can price it when it hasn't officially been released.

Either way that's bloody expensive, so I hope they are very wrong.

I'll have to sell my B4 and few XXs, BMAX-4

[pizzaman]

one of the big cheeses of schumacher was asked at worksop and his answer was £260 but even he said that wasnt a certanty as only them upstairs will know for now the price so i cant see how any model shop can price it..
come on schumacher get it below £250
I TELL YA WOT I WANT, WOT I REALLY REALLY WANT!!! A COUGAR SV

[mikeyscott]

That's still quite dear. However if that is the case the £240 at your local model shop. Which isn't too bad

saw a xxx go for £50 recently so add £200 for the CR2 and we are around the £250+ mark.

[cwp]

http://www.rossmod.co.uk/store.php?product_id=22832

£280

Don't know where they got the price from, unless it's a guess etc.

They will give a refund if it's cheaper.

[mikeyscott]

They will give a refund if it's cheaper.

I saw that too. I won't pre-order until I know the price so I can raise funds for it.

Will be ordering a new Speed Passion V3 8.5 with it at the same time.

[gps3300]

Paid £240 for my Associated RC10 B4 TEAM when they first came out, then the Factory Team came out a few years later and was actually cheaper.....:thumbdown:

Can't believe the amount of speculation & whinging about the price of a car that's unique, an entire kit not a conversion, and not even out yet!!! An extra £20 is insignificant compared to the cost of a years worth of racing, what with all the wheels, foams & tyres, professionally sprayed bodies, buying all those upgrades that don't make the car any better but look sooo nice...

[mikeyscott]

Paid £240 for my Associated RC10 B4 TEAM when they first came out, then the Factory Team came out a few years later and was actually cheaper.....:thumbdown:

Can't believe the amount of speculation & whinging about the price of a car that's unique, an entire kit not a conversion, and not even out yet!!! An extra £20 is insignificant compared to the cost of a years worth of racing, what with all the wheels, foams & tyres, professionally sprayed bodies, buying all those upgrades that don't make the car any better but look sooo nice...

Very vaild point.

[DCM]

Can't believe the amount of speculation & whinging about the price of a car that's unique, an entire kit not a conversion, and not even out yet!!! An extra £20 is insignificant compared to the cost of a years worth of racing, what with all the wheels, foams & tyres, professionally sprayed bodies, buying all those upgrades that don't make the car any better but look sooo nice...

This isn't quite true, as it is different, £20 here, £30 there, than £189 for a B4 and £250 for the SV, as much as it is unique, it is still a KIT, and I am sure that the reason Losi never really got a hold, was the extra cost over the AE...

[David Church]

This isn't quite true, as it is different, £20 here, £30 there, than £189 for a B4 and £250 for the SV, as much as it is unique, it is still a KIT, and I am sure that the reason Losi never really got a hold, was the extra cost over the AE...


I disagree. There is no other mid motored kit avaliable for £250
You have to pay much more than that to have a mid motored car new!!!
The XXX CR didn't perform well in the UK, if it had you would still see loads of them about.
If the Cougar is good straight out the box, £250 will seem a bargain!!!

[MattW]

No, the main reason Losi "never really got hold" was the small fact that the B4 was faster. Simples!

I genuinely don't know what the price is likely to be, haven't asked the question. Everyone just needs to wait and see what the price is.

Let's not forget, a lot also depends on what the kit spec is - although again I don't know! Although, I don't think it's massively unreasonable to look at the Cat spec and assume that it is likely to be along a similar level - so we're talking Titanium Turnbuckles, Ceramic diff balls, carbon etc etc. So at the very least you have to look at FT Spec B4's before you start to compare.

I think GPS's point is also very valid - that was the price of the std B4 when it first came out, and as the product has matured, so it's price has dropped.

[DCM]

I only see it as a Kit, it don't really matter where the motor is, does it...

[cwp]

Iff this car is released so you don't need to by any hopups,at £250 to £300 it's
A bargin. I have just spent £300 on a b4 with all the brass b44 hubs yadi ya.
All new thou.

[mikeyscott]

Speculation is a great thing and I think we are all just going to have to wait until more details emerge

[DCM]

Iff this car is released so you don't need to by any hopups,at £250 to £300 it's
A bargin. I have just spent £300 on a b4 with all the brass b44 hubs yadi ya.
All new thou.

and the only reason you have had to, is that it is a car designed with NiMH cells in mind, the SV should of hopefully been designed, weight distribution and total, with LiPo in mind.

Also, just out of curiosity, if the motor was in the rear, you couldn't argue about it being the only mid motor kit, and although it is the first manufactured kit, with mid motor, it is still a NIB kit, not a conversion.

[Si Coe]

If it wins races (and it clearly does) people will buy it, whatever it costs. Thats how Durangos and TRF's sell - some people have very deep pockets and will pay whatever it costs to have the best car going.

I'm pretty sure if you produced a totally no expense spared, every piece hand made by stunning dusky maidens (with engineering degrees) at NASA super machine, which you then gave to Ellis Stafford (who promptly wins every round of the nationals with it) and then offered it for sale at £1000 you'd sell a lot more than you might first think.

But not to me cos I'm broke........

[Garry Driffill]

I cant beleive all of the moaning going on here about somthing you havnt seen yet?, Correct me if im wrong but are there any photos from under the shell?

Looking at the CAT SX it has bucket loads of alloy and carbon fibre which comes at a cost..

I agree, yea its just a kit but with price comes quality and clearly performance from the first outing? I dont mean to sound like a dooche saying this or mean for it to come accross awful or anything but ive not noticed Simon that high up in 2wd for a little while so the car clearly works very well. Watching the video of the car go round Robin Hood Raceway it actually seems to perform like no other 2wd ive ever seen moove around a track and i dont think its just hype of a new car, it actually looks VERY planted.

:thumbsup:

[hide]

Schumacher aren't the biggest company out there and machining costs on CNC machined parts, carbon composite, die's for injection molding are huge. What would you prefer, a cheap buggy now but no spare support and no products in the future?

[Gibbon666]

Details are up.

£269.99 RRP for the Kit.

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Car_Showroom/cougar_sv.html

[Garry Driffill]

Yes!