£76,500 Metro For Sale!!!

[gaza121]

Could anyone lend me £76,000 for a low mileage MG Metro???:woot:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MG-METRO-6R4-GROUP-B-RALLY-CAR-147-MILES-FROM-NEW_W0QQitemZ230425520013QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item35a66e678d

This to me is better than any Aston, Lotus or exotic supercar!

One owner, Williams F1!!!

[peetbee]

:drool:
:drool:
:drool:
:drool:

One of these has been at the top of my list of cars to buy after winning the lottery, ever since the lottery started!!

[purpletimbo]

I would rather have an Alfa
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ALFA-ROMEO-BENETTON-185T-F1-GRAND-PRIX-CAR-EX-PATRESE_W0QQitemZ230425227556QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item35a669f12 4
:woot:

[RudeTony]

Anyone that pays £76K fo a Metro needs a doctor .........

[MALLET]

I see he put them 2 up on the free listings day yesterday :D

How much would Ebay have took off him for them starting prices or what they are going to take off of him for selling them.:o:o

[Nick Goodall]

Can't get on Ebay at work - is it a 6R4? £70k is surely CHEAP for a 6R4??

Still love them!

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_597/car_photo_298561_25.jpg

[purpletimbo]

Frank Williams personal 174 mile 6R4
and petreses alfa F1 for 110,000

[mark christopher]

Anyone that pays £76K fo a Metro needs a doctor .........
awww come on tony, you would never get a better metro!

[poopers]

I'd say that's a bargin! Want, want badly :drool:

[gaza121]

If you have ever seen one of these in action then you will see why it a decent asking price.

google promenade stages new brighton and watch it destroying ex wrc subaru's etc!

The only other car that comes close each year is a darian

[Rich D]

Not sure if i have posted this before but here is my brothers mates 6R4 - its awesome but almost undriveable on the road i am told.
Hes got a mint mk1 Escort thats worth similar money too :drool:

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs053.snc1/4481_87310553709_632878709_1864513_2741919_n.jpg

[T4miy4 Guy]

Wasn`t as good as this 1000 bhp rocket :thumbsup:

... Suzuki escudo pikes peak :wub
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h31/logandadi/199620Suzuki20Escudo20Pikes20Peak.jpg

Andy

[Team No Idea]

Oh yes!! 6R4's Propper cars!, ive just wet myself with exitment!..........:cry: if i had a dream garage id have one of those in it parked up next to a ford RS200. YUM YUM

[CHEVY]

TEAM NO IDEA

i agree with you 6r4 /rs200/ audi quatro s1:thumbsup:
any day

[Si Coe]

Oh please - There was only ever one really great group B car, the one that was so fast it got them all banned!
http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11606/05LanciaDeltaS4_GoodwoodFoS2005-L.jpg

[johnnygibbon]

mk2 escort.does something to me. dunno why. but mmmmmmmm:wub
and the pug 205 ti 16. wild
group b rip

[saintnitro]

theres at least five of them in the sunseeker rally every year in bournemouth. you want to see them go through bournemouth gardens at night with lights blazing ,engine roaring its the only reason i go to watch:drool::drool: that and the pug 306 cosworth:thumbsup:


Ginge

[saintnitro]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2288990509_04eae06f23.jpg?v=0

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[pat*1]

theres at least five of them in the sunseeker rally every year in bournemouth. you want to see them go through bournemouth gardens at night with lights blazing ,engine roaring its the only reason i go to watch:drool::drool: that and the pug 306 cosworth:thumbsup:


Ginge
I came down to watch that last year,it was a fantstic event very well organised and some great cars there aswell.
6R4 in my dream garage and the Delta S4,i had to sell my integrale at the start of last year worse day of my life...:(

[reg]

i had to sell my integrale at the start of last year worse day of my life...:(

i thought you were married:woot:

[Glenn]

I love vintage stuff like this. :wub It has to be the most unlikely platform for a rally car you can think of, especially in the monster power era. They sound like nothing else. I'd have it. Can anyone lend me the money. I'll pay you back, honest.:thumbsup:

[pat*1]

i thought you were married:woot:
Ok second worse day of my life...:woot: hope she never reads this..:wub

[mole2k]

<3 Group B cars

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2123487706_6f718651e9.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2027/2123490120_1d08f67852.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2113/2123498816_1a99656a63.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3336/3499103102_ecaea49aa2.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3634/3500708318_b3f9b1bfb9.jpg

[kitesurfer73]

http://image.off-roadweb.com/f/17153389/0903or_06_z+2008_baja_1000_race+vw_bug.jpg

this is vintage old skool

Rusty doors and flat fours rule.....Man i love my vdubs :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Glenn]

Oh man, that is sooo cool. The Renault 5 turbo is one of my all time fav cars. The baja VW's were great, the inspiration for the Tamiya Sand Scocher and that is just about the coolest vintage RC car.

[pat*1]

I might upset a few people here but you cant have a thread about the greatest rally class and cars of all time....then put a bloody vw beetle in the conversation....scraping the barrel with ford escorts..

[kitesurfer73]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3096/3121318712_113dbbc0af.jpg


if i had to go all water cooled this would have to be the car group b audi
quattro s1
Was lucky enough to have seen one in full throttle in wales mad mad car and it sound's like a jumbo taking off!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[kitesurfer73]

I might upset a few people here but you cant have a thread about the greatest rally class and cars of all time....then put a bloody vw beetle in the conversation....scraping the barrel with ford escorts..


Vw"s have the biggest following ov any car that was made,forget your lancia owners club meets:p come down to a v dub event and see how many fans of the loud and proud classic there is...and they were built in 60's...
I left my dub rotting on the drive for 2 years..went to turn her over and fired up first time...vw are away off life some people get it some dont...i dont need speed me LOW AND SLOW.....

U can keep u bathtubs.....

[Rich D]

<3 Group B cars

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2123487706_6f718651e9.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2027/2123490120_1d08f67852.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2113/2123498816_1a99656a63.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3336/3499103102_ecaea49aa2.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3634/3500708318_b3f9b1bfb9.jpg


Fantastic shots mate :)

[Si Coe]

I actually had a chance to go in the passenger seat of one of these as a kid
http://www.infonews.co.nz/photos/600-peter_johnston_placed_second_in_his_group_b_ford_r s200_rally_car_at_the_ruakaka_street_sprint.jpg
as my Aunt was some marketing person at Ford and blagged me onto a press session at Borehamwood.
All I remember was it was hot, unbelievably noisy and then it broke down:cry:
We never went all that fast but you could certainly tell it was a beast. I've driven a Lancer Fq340 and been in Imprezzas and Escort Cosworths but they were nothing like that.

[MikePimlott]

:drool: 6R4 :drool: delta integrale :drool: MK1 Escorts :drool:

:wub

[purplenut]

Could anyone lend me £76,000 for a low mileage MG Metro???:woot:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MG-METRO-6R4-GROUP-B-RALLY-CAR-147-MILES-FROM-NEW_W0QQitemZ230425520013QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item35a66e678d

This to me is better than any Aston, Lotus or exotic supercar!

One owner, Williams F1!!!
OMG i always loved this car i went to 4/5 rac rallys and saw these things fly.
I owned one well a mg lol.
Awsome and very powerfull,great link.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Team No Idea]

I actually had a chance to go in the passenger seat of one of these as a kid
http://www.infonews.co.nz/photos/600-peter_johnston_placed_second_in_his_group_b_ford_r s200_rally_car_at_the_ruakaka_street_sprint.jpg
as my Aunt was some marketing person at Ford and blagged me onto a press session at Borehamwood.
All I remember was it was hot, unbelievably noisy and then it broke down:cry:
We never went all that fast but you could certainly tell it was a beast. I've driven a Lancer Fq340 and been in Imprezzas and Escort Cosworths but they were nothing like that.


Yup............that does it for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I belive that the rallycross leg-end Pat Doran's son is still using one in rallycross at the moment. Still an amazing car after all these years. I wonder if i take a hammer to my mondeo if i can beat it in to a similar shape.

[Si Coe]

To fully repeat the experience, take the silencers off the exhausts then shove the engine on the back seats. Remove the correct sized radiator and get a much smaller one from a Ka, then stick it to the roof just behind your head. Next remove all interior trim and stick 800 random (and completely unlabelled) knobs, dials and switches.
Then take the seats out, get one of those hard backed plastic chairs and bolt it directly to the floor.
Finally drive the whole thing off a cliff at insane speed and die
And there you have the Group B experience!

[Team No Idea]

To fully repeat the experience, take the silencers off the exhausts then shove the engine on the back seats. Remove the correct sized radiator and get a much smaller one from a Ka, then stick it to the roof just behind your head. Next remove all interior trim and stick 800 random (and completely unlabelled) knobs, dials and switches.
Then take the seats out, get one of those hard backed plastic chairs and bolt it directly to the floor.
Finally drive the whole thing off a cliff at insane speed and die
And there you have the Group B experience!


LOL:thumbsup: bring it on! now where did i put my tool box,
im off to play in the garage for a few hours, hold my hat for me while im gone, theres a good fellow!

[Hog]

I'm one of the start line marshals for the Lydden Hill rallycross meetings (I've done Brands Hatch too) - back in the Group B era when I was stood next to an 8 car grid of these monsters pushing out between 800 to 1000 bhp each - it leaves a lasting impression on you to say the least.

The modern rallycross cars just dont have the same appeal to me I'm afraid. The 6R4 just has a noise to die for, the RS200 is sleek and sexy, the 205T16E2 mentally quick, but the most brutal of them all were the Audi S1 pictured above and the Lancia Delta S4.

There was a Lancia raced by a chap call Jarmo Lahteenmaki - was both supercharged and turbocharged - totally and utterly mental.

God i could go on and on reminiscing lol.........

[Lee]

Its not the initial 75k outlay that scares me as its a fantastic car and an iconic one at that, but the full and i mean full rebuild after every event that put me off getting one, i can get 1500 miles out of my engine before it needs a rebuild and about the same for the box and diffs but could you imagine paying 5-10k every month or every event even if you didnt break it?

Still an awesome awesome car

And the lad who commented about the vw's, your wrong :woot:

[pat*1]

Im wrong? what the beetle does deserve to be included in a thread about GroupB classics....

[Lee]

Is it a group b car? No

[rich67]

Heres my favourite rally car driven by a legend

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff135/rich67_photos/Impreza-2.jpg

and heres my own

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff135/rich67_photos/My%20Scooby/SP_A0078.jpg

[emtee]

6r4's are da bomb... I'd love to just drive/shotgun one... they have gotta be the best car EVER for rally, they sound like 1000 banshees wailing the loss of the great god Odin... but are based on yer grannies shopping cart... sadly the closest I have ever got to owning one is the 2 I have in the loft...! OE 80's scalextric, figure eight layout c/w 1 blue 'n 1 red 6r4 that is...!!!

[Matt_N]

No thread about rally cars is complete without a Stratos and 037
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12662.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12683.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12684.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12664.jpg

And this is car porn imo
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12471.jpg

Few pics from goodwood
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12666.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12670.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12677.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12679.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12599.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12600.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12660.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q9/carmadmatt/Goodwood%202009/SDC12658.jpg

Matt

[big air]

Bring back Group B rallies i say!!! That will sort the men out from the poncy playstation generation boys and all there gadgets :thumbsup:

[mole2k]

A few more :D

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/850065/PICT1865_2.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/850065/_MG_8112.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/850065/PICT1628.jpg

[JohnM]

Im wrong? what the beetle does deserve to be included in a thread about GroupB classics....

The Beatle doesn't deserve to be included in any thread about great cars, just ones about garbage;)

[pat*1]

The Beatle doesn't deserve to be included in any thread about great cars, just ones about garbage;)
:thumbsup:

[emtee]

Bring back Group B rallies i say!!! That will sort the men out from the poncy playstation generation boys and all their gadgets :thumbsup:


:thumbsup: :D :thumbsup:

[Chequered Flag Racing]

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Think I'd have more fun driving it home :thumbsup:

[wezzer]

The Beatle doesn't deserve to be included in any thread about great cars, just ones about garbage;)

haha bit harsh me thinks, bugs aint garbage, no more than a fecking metro anyhow !!! and rally car aint just group b , surely Baja is rally, desert style, and aint this thread about a metro for sale any how

[Neil Skull]

Could anyone lend me £76,000 for a low mileage MG Metro???:woot:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MG-METRO-6R4-GROUP-B-RALLY-CAR-147-MILES-FROM-NEW_W0QQitemZ230425520013QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item35a66e678d

This to me is better than any Aston, Lotus or exotic supercar!

One owner, Williams F1!!!


Thats an amazing car but you are paying for the lineage and milage.

I remember when they was banned in rallying my local garage had one for about £35k in full rally colours it was there for a long time. Then a while later an RS200 now that was a proper car not just a mini with a huge V8 engine mounted in the boot.

[isobarik]

Before they pulled the plug on the Group B rally cars Lancia Made the Lancia S4 R not super exact about the name.
The Lancia R
Had carbon rims and drive shafts,drivetrain ,chassi, body and carbon breaks. Rims where made in carbon with an alu center.
If my memory is correct the car had 80% made of carbon.
it was super light 800 kgs or so and had like 780 hp twin turbo charged.
Dont remember who test drove it but he said that it would be possible to win the F1 championship if had arrived earlier.

Dont know if it still exists but it stood in an corner at abarth/lancia factory.

mvh Isobarik

[Neil Skull]

Love those pictures,

Thanks Matt and Mole.

[Si Coe]

Before they pulled the plug on the Group B rally cars Lancia Made the Lancia S4 R not super exact about the name.
The Lancia R
Had carbon rims and drive shafts,drivetrain ,chassi, body and carbon breaks. Rims where made in carbon with an alu center.
If my memory is correct the car had 80% made of carbon.
it was super light 800 kgs or so and had like 780 hp twin turbo charged.
Dont remember who test drove it but he said that it would be possible to win the F1 championship if had arrived earlier.

Dont know if it still exists but it stood in an corner at abarth/lancia factory.

mvh Isobarik

Not twin turbo, supercharged and turbocharged. Supercharger for lower revs, turbo once it had spooled up.
Rumor has it Lancia themselves were concerned about the cars safety as on tight forest stages alternating between light and shade it could cover ground faster than the drivers eyes could focus on the next corner!

[traffman]

Ah but the Metro is exotic !

You surely remember what they did put that little v6 engine into, dont you?

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/traffman/jaguar-xj220.jpg


But my all time fave hot hatch has to be ...........

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/traffman/PICT0050.jpg

[Hog]

not just a mini with a huge V8 engine mounted in the boot.

Ahem - V6 - hence the "6"R4. Did come in various guises though - 2.8, 3.0, 3.6 and 3.8 litres. Then there were the likes of Will Gollop's 2.3 BiTurbo. Arne Rasmushaugen had a BiTurbo as well.

If you want fully Group B spectactular photos and info, go looking at some of the Rallycross websites. There's a plethora of stuff to wander through.

Think the 2 most insane Rallycross cars (not Group B) I've seen were Arild Martinsen's 4WD BMW M3 at Brands - which punched out 1000BHP and left black streaks from the start line to the first corner, and a Chevy Monza with a 3 speed semi auto drag race gearbox converted for a chap who'd been paralyzed in a rally crash. Epic machinery :thumbsup:

[JohnM]

Ah but the Metro is exotic !

You surely remember what they did put that little v6 engine into, dont you?

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/traffman/jaguar-xj220.jpg


But my all time fave hot hatch has to be ...........

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/traffman/PICT0050.jpg

Always wanted a Lotus Sunbeam, my first car was a 1.6s Sunbeam, great little car, although they forgot how to to teach it to drive straight, always looking out of the side windows in it:thumbsup:

[Nick Goodall]

It was the Lancia S4 that they ran a few laps round Estoril F1 Circuit, compared to the F1 laps they said it would have qualified 6th on the Grid, that is SCARY Fast! Straight line speed wouldn't have been as good but the mid corner and exit speed due to 4wd and crazy amounts of Torque would have literally pulled it round so fast.

[wezzer]

i would love to see a vid of that :D

[Si Coe]

It was the Lancia S4 that they ran a few laps round Estoril F1 Circuit, compared to the F1 laps they said it would have qualified 6th on the Grid, that is SCARY Fast! Straight line speed wouldn't have been as good but the mid corner and exit speed due to 4wd and crazy amounts of Torque would have literally pulled it round so fast.

Its even more scary than that because in those days F1 cars were also turbocharged and developed close to 1500bhp in qualifing trim!

[Neil Skull]

Ahem - V6 - hence the "6"R4. Did come in various guises though - 2.8, 3.0, 3.6 and 3.8 litres. Then there were the likes of Will Gollop's 2.3 BiTurbo. Arne Rasmushaugen had a BiTurbo as well.

If you want fully Group B spectactular photos and info, go looking at some of the Rallycross websites. There's a plethora of stuff to wander through.

Think the 2 most insane Rallycross cars (not Group B) I've seen were Arild Martinsen's 4WD BMW M3 at Brands - which punched out 1000BHP and left black streaks from the start line to the first corner, and a Chevy Monza with a 3 speed semi auto drag race gearbox converted for a chap who'd been paralyzed in a rally crash. Epic machinery :thumbsup:

Ah yes it was a V6 but i rememberd they used the Rover V8 block!!

[Hog]

With 2 cylinders hacksawed off the end.............:cry:

[bodgit]

i would love to see a vid of that :D
orhVgxJljRM

[isobarik]

Should be an fairly correct pic...

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/823/823600/sega-rally-revo-20070928110113331.jpg

mvh Isobarik

[isobarik]

Not twin turbo, supercharged and turbocharged. Supercharger for lower revs, turbo once it had spooled up.
Rumor has it Lancia themselves were concerned about the cars safety as on tight forest stages alternating between light and shade it could cover ground faster than the drivers eyes could focus on the next corner!

here is an link of the ecv where they explaine the TWIN turbo charged engine ...and the name was ecv

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_ECV

mvh Isobarik

[Titch]

i thought you were married:woot:

Thats probably why he had to sell it :lol:

[traffman]

Will gollops 6r4 was featured in Autocar , they did a full bore start and it hit 60 in 2.1 seconds , they said it was more akin to launching your self off a cliff.

I used to love rally x , was it Martin something or other that had a nutty rs200 ??

[Hog]

Will gollops 6r4 was featured in Autocar , they did a full bore start and it hit 60 in 2.1 seconds , they said it was more akin to launching your self off a cliff.

I used to love rally x , was it Martin something or other that had a nutty rs200 ??

Martin Schanche - Mr Rallycross - a real character.

Group B rallycross cars were only geared to about 120mph, but it was the speed they reached it which was scary. As you say 0 - 60 was about 2 to 2.4 seconds - faster than an F1 car. Epic when you stand next to 8 of them when they launch as well :thumbsup:

[JohnM]

Martin Schanche - Mr Rallycross - a real character.



Wasn't he the guy that got took out on the first corner of a race, then stood in the middle of the track to shake his fist at who did it? think he was banned for a year or something for it.

[Hog]

Indeed he was. Stood in the middle of the track with his hands on his hips defiantly waiting for the cars to come round on lap 2.

I'm priviliged to have witnessed the best of the Group B era in rallycross. There's plenty of footage on Youtube - all very nostalgic for me lol :thumbsup:

[justleanitupabit]

Indeed he was. Stood in the middle of the track with his hands on his hips defiantly waiting for the cars to come round on lap 2.

I'm priviliged to have witnessed the best of the Group B era in rallycross. There's plenty of footage on Youtube - all very nostalgic for me lol :thumbsup:

Ah yes the Rallycross Grands Prix at Brands Hatch :woot: Martin Schanche, Will Gollop, John Welch (that x-trac Astra :o ) and so on.....

BBBRRRRRAAAAARRRPPP up through the pitlane, bang turn right down tumbledown hill, druids, across the knife- edge, hoppys drop.....

I'd forgotten just how awesome that was.

Will Gollop in that Metro though....he had to hope for rain in the end everytime as the tyres wouldn't stay on the rims.

[Hog]

Welch's Astra was an awesome machine. 800Bhp on tap from an ex Group B Opel Manta 400 if I recall correctly. And was just pure sex in the STP / Sphere Drake colours.

Brands was an epic track, but I've grown up with Lydden from a very early age, so to me it will always be "home" for rallycross.

[justleanitupabit]

Welch's Astra was an awesome machine. 800Bhp on tap from an ex Group B Opel Manta 400 if I recall correctly. And was just pure sex in the STP / Sphere Drake colours.

Brands was an epic track, but I've grown up with Lydden from a very early age, so to me it will always be "home" for rallycross.

Not been to Lydden Hill somehow! Sitting on top of paddock opposite tumbledown - I can't think of another view of a decent (IE not an oval) racetrack anywhere in the world that can better that one. (Admittedly I haven't been to every racetrack - in the World!)

Group B Rallycross >>>>>>> every other form of motorsport.

Edit

Just recalled an interview with Schanche once and he said something like "When I hit the brake pedal twice for a corner thats when I'll retire"

[cwilson]

i just found these on you tube. just turn up the volume!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Mag3kA2J8&NR=1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qefKc-SPR-I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtoXaLNi3zk&feature=related