4wd inserts

[mark christopher]

im runing yelllow/green mini spikes what inserts do i need
snee blue or grey? which is a safe bet as an all rounder?

[Southwell]

I run snee blue exclusively.

[Welshy40]

I prefer proline or losi, fronts are cut down rear inserts, and fit well. Schumacher have never made an insert that can last for a long time.

[ulrich]

I prefer proline or losi, fronts are cut down rear inserts, and fit well. Schumacher have never made an insert that can last for a long time.

Where can I find Proline firm and super firm inserts?

Ulrich

[Col]

Most of mine are snee blue, but lets be honest - you could cut up a bath sponge and I wouldn't be able to tell any difference

[jcb]

Mr 'O' Racing Soft,
or
Mr 'O' Racing Hard

I run the soft ones all the time, which are similar to the snee ones but not the same.


Don't ask me why cause I can't remember but I used to run firmer inserts in green mini spikes compared to yellow minispikes. Something to do with side bite if I remember rightly :confused:

[Welshy40]

Well personally if your racing carpet buggy or grass/astro then the losi white standard insert that comes with the 2wd buggy is best. I used on my 4wd and my 2wd and are noticable. Any Losi supplier model shop will sell them or get them. They are similar to proline anyway.

You can also tell the difference as with the schumachers tend to loose their bounce and means the tires dont dig in so well on hard cornering, and on carpet it can loose you several places in qualifying. Its almost like having a deflated tire with worn or crappy inserts.

I guess the best way is to buy a set of each and decide for yourself.

[super__dan]

Mark, in usual outdoor conditions I also use Snee (or now Mtroniks) inserts exclusivley. I hear those Mr O ones are good but I have so many Snee's it's a no brainer for me.

In Mini spikes I think a full Losi or Proline insert is too big so an already firm insert becomes condensed and even harder. In a minipin it's not the same as the tyre shape is more like an american tyre.

What 4wd have you got, are you doing regionals (I missed last weekends :( )?

[Welshy40]

Dan,

Hows things mate, im gonna argue with you on the Losi tires mate as when i was racing you way back in the Welsh champs they were pukka.

After all on my Lazer hint hint they were perfect with mini pins and mini spikes, and indoors are still in my opinion the best. Heck I only used them and Proline inserts.

I see you have improved dramatially, so i expect you will now be lapping me now eh?

Im gonna try and see if i can qualify for the indoor 4wd champs. Odds on that with a 1993 Lazer?

[Chris Doughty]

with Losi and Proline making softer tires and discontinuing their harder tires their foams have become bigger and harder and the 'good' 'cloud' foams that Losi do aren't available anymore :(

Losi 'firm' foams are OK if you want to pack out your tire, Proline don't do anything that works in 'UK' tires.

with regard to 4WD fronts, best thing is to put the same in the front as you do in the rear, just trim them to the width of the tire, not the wheel.

[super__dan]

James,

There is no way anyone crowbarring references to Lazers into every thread they reply to could be anyone other than you. I'm just waiting till you try to get somone to try your B2 indoor setup from 95 onto any other car ;)

After reading Chris post above, I would think you are referring to the Losi foams of 10 years ago, not the ones now. Current soft tyres from Losi and Proline hardly hold their shape under their own weight, never mind that of the car so the foams are bigger and harder. A full rear Losi foam would super pack out a rear mini spike, you've only ever run on the middle section of the rounded tyre profile.

I think you'll be lucky to find any buggy racing in Wales (if that's where you still live) in the winter, so qualifying for the indoor finals is usually a formality, only Harris and Milzy come so they'll have 8 spare places. Equally, if they are up north, then hardly anyone from down south comes so again you won't have any issues.

The outdoor nationals are currently more popular than ever before, in part cos it's great, in part cos regional series are not what they once were in most parts of the country. I remember having to send my entry off the same day i got it in wales just to get a regional place. However the indoor finals don't have the draw they used to.

Good luck though, see you in March.

Dan

PS I look forward to disagreeing with you over loads of things on here now, just like old times ;)

PPS Do you know Belsten made a come back at nationals a couple of years ago with Justin pitting for him. Didn't go too well unfortunatly and I've not seen him since.

[millzy]

James you got no chance :):)







on being lapped by dan hahahaha

[mark christopher]

Mark, in usual outdoor conditions I also use Snee (or now Mtroniks) inserts exclusivley. I hear those Mr O ones are good but I have so many Snee's it's a no brainer for me.

In Mini spikes I think a full Losi or Proline insert is too big so an already firm insert becomes condensed and even harder. In a minipin it's not the same as the tyre shape is more like an american tyre.

What 4wd have you got, are you doing regionals (I missed last weekends :( )?
got a HB D4 that im rewiewing;)

[DCM]

With IB42's now the rage... James will have to find new excuses for not taking FTD... heeheee

[Welshy40]

Dan,

I have only ever tqd one event, and Craig and Dave had to help me off the rostrum as i was almost having a fit.

I have won events mostly from 7th and 10th position, and my B2 setup worked for me as i tried hard to get it to handle like a 4wd in and out of corners. It was twitch city, besides the last time i raced 2wd, even Craig said it was on the edge, (not bad considering i was a lap down on the 2nd lap) but i won and that annoyed Nickys dad as he had to give me the trophy hehehehe. That setup got me 11th in the indoor regional finals as well. Heck im not much of a fan of 2wd but the B2 suited my driving style well.

Mmm I used the Losi inserts roughly one year ago and they were new. Well I guess a lot has changed, but heck at least I wont dump any more hehehe as the cells are much better. Im not betting with Dave anymore with 1400scrs hehehe. Im just here to have fun and see if i can still do it indoors with an old pile of junk. Im not so bothered about the nationals as i did five years of it in 2wd and 4wd.

I prefer carpet racing so i dont have to clean the car and at least i wont get wet. Maybe a few regionals outside if the weather is nice. Racing isnt as fun to me as it used to be.

Also what motors can you recommend now that would be able to handle being overgeared and still have plenty of torque?

Millzy - I rekon i would get lapped easily by everyone, but at least I wont get angry or throw my car across the pit area anymore. Ive mellowed big time. I just need to get away from work and relax and enjoy myself a bit. 7 years away from it im gonna be terrible on the track. Itll be fun tho.

The Last time Belsten raced he beat the third in europe racer (unsure who it was) at tiverton. Anyway he lost his license for 3 years and thats what stopped him. He now has got a tamiya and he still has Justin doing all the work. He has built a track behind his house and is pretty good. It took a while to get the material (plastic grass or whatever its called) up there but he has somewhere to practice. He may decide to come back into it, you never know. At least I can go there and have a blat when I can get away from London.

[Gayo]

Forgive me if I'm too curious, but... are you James Instone of RC10B4.com ?

[DCM]

he is, indeed... watch out, watch out, there is a James about....

[Welshy40]

Yup thats me. Should be fun trying to see if i can actually make the Z final, hehehe as a lot has changed in a couple of years. Well at least i wont dump so something good has come out of this.

[Richard Lowe]

Also what motors can you recommend now that would be able to handle being overgeared and still have plenty of torque?
None, no matter what it is if it's geared wrong it'll be rubbish ;)

With today's cells overgear too much and everything will just melt.

[GRIFF55]

I used to race the wbl and rrc series ten years ago and before, been in toch wit belsten lately and his track looks prety good!! Shame there's nothing 1/10th offroad in wales, as i now have to do the mid west regionals(closest for me) and tiverton summer series now and again. Craig did say there was gona be a few welsh, just waiting on the dates!!
Good to hear someone else getting back into racing after years off, don't feel so lonely now:D

[DCM]

I stopped in 97, came back in 2004 in the WRCA (WBL) and really, the racing has dissapeared, shame really, although some of the clubs are trying to make a comeback, but we have lost Neath (cracking tracks) and Abergavenny.

[GRIFF55]

do you remember tivyside??? Oh what a venue and track!!;)

[DCM]

Yeah, I remember Teifiside, I remember a certain Mr Instone being chucked into the pond there too.... heehee

[GRIFF55]

that bloody stunk!!!
Do you know when Jody Denner gave up? And the lane brothers, they were quick.
Have to sort out a welsh meeting(Craig?)

[DCM]

The Lane brothers gave up in the mid 90's, Denner gave up inbetween 97 and 04.

[Welshy40]

Yes I remember that pond. Hehehe well it was a fun weekend so cant really grumble.

Neath has gone, blimey that was a good track and that jump was superb, and the straight. I liked Caerwent indoors circuit, i wonder if thats still going or it got sold. Abergavenny was good as well. What about Swansea, do they still race at that show?

Gutted. So how if you live in Wales can you qualify for the regional finals if there are no races? Isnt there one event that could be used?

Well when Whitney, Evans finished then the rest faded to. It just kept going downhill big time. I still enjoy racing and was bored so bought a few cars and gear and im back to have fun. Preferably indoor buggies only but may be convinced into a few regional events like the last one two years back when i sold my original buggy.

So are you saying that I will no longer be able to overgear like I used to ?

Heck that was so much easier than having to set the car up. Gutted and my esc is capable of so much more, so may have to see if i can do it, and hope the batts can handle it.

Bellends track is cool, and will give it a try with my buggy at the end of this month, as the nitro wasnt as good as id hoped, when i was last there, so am selling it to a chap from powys when im there. I havent a clue what this cars gonna go like, but if i can set it up on his track then i wont need much for the carpet.

Does schumacher still sell buggy shock springs? If i can get a set then my original setup will be fine for in and out.

Anyway back to inserts, as i said earlier I like Losi and Proline, the big soft white ones. What else is available now that could be in the same league as what used to be supplied with the standard Associated buggy? I wont use schumacher as the quality is never very good. So what is not spongey and not hard?

[GRIFF55]

edit inserts from mirage racing are good, better quality than shumacher

[Welshy40]

I used to race the wbl and rrc series ten years ago and before, been in toch wit belsten lately and his track looks prety good!! Shame there's nothing 1/10th offroad in wales, as i now have to do the mid west regionals(closest for me) and tiverton summer series now and again. Craig did say there was gona be a few welsh, just waiting on the dates!!
Good to hear someone else getting back into racing after years off, don't feel so lonely now:D

I see Dave sent you pictures, but you only saw the half done track. Now its covered and is as bumpy as the outdoor track that Sandra Harris ran down the road from Magor. Its a perfect set up track. I cant wait for the table top jump to be built. It was fun to practice on.

Me and Dave were trying to figure out who you are, sounds daft but only one face comes to mind but we are not certain if its you.

[niggs98]

have just started using the edit range of foams. am finding them very good indeed especially as they are a nice price. am personally using the medium (purple) ones but they are also available as a soft as well ;)

[millzy]

The Lane brothers gave up in the mid 90's, Denner gave up inbetween 97 and 04.

his sons 4 he gave up in 2002 as he never got a b4 and still has his b3 , chatted to him a month ago

[GRIFF55]

I see Dave sent you pictures, but you only saw the half done track. Now its covered and is as bumpy as the outdoor track that Sandra Harris ran down the road from Magor. Its a perfect set up track. I cant wait for the table top jump to be built. It was fun to practice on.

Me and Dave were trying to figure out who you are, sounds daft but only one face comes to mind but we are not certain if its you.


That face must be mine then!! Used to pit with leonard sometimes but mostly me and mike peat used to hang out,oh and i stayed at mathew williams house in oakdale alot too. i am from saundersfoot, parents had a white vw camper then a caravan which they used last at oakdale.
As for inserts, i use the same as niggs, purple edit ones. they seem real good!!

[Welshy40]

Yup that fits the bill, wasnt sure but now i am. Bang on. I loved winding Leonard up, I heard a rumour that he's locked up now, but cant confirm it. I know he got in a lot of trouble with a friend of his and was under house arrest about 7 years back.

Denner has been busy. Bang on!!!

Inserts are my big problem at the moment, so I am gonna try them all until I find one I like. I am tempted to stay with Proline as they dont seem to have changed, yes they have a few more ideas out but still the original is there.