Trx-1 - back to the track!

[Lonestar]

Hi guys

I'm painstakingly restoring a trx-1 with parts coming from all over the world... but this one will be a runner - better than this, it will be a racer! I will race it in the vintage class in the last of the SIORC (Swiss Indoor Off Road Championship) on March 20th, with period electronics, and I want it to be a class act... the issue is, those cars were released loooong before the internet was born, and setup sheets and things to look for when building it as a racecar are scarce on the web... and I believe I don't have the stock shock springs, so that makes it a bit of a pain to know where to start from...

Any senior racer from the good ole days willing to help with tips'n tricks please? Setup sheets?

Thanks!:thumbsup:

Paul

[Dyna]

I still have three TRX1's and race one of them occasionally at our clubs Vintage series. A fine buggy still. Make sure you have the optional metal layshaft gear and the metal U/J gearbox outdrives though if your running any serious torque through that gearbox. I also added a beefier front bulkhead brace and a hingepin brace also, with lead inbetween the L & R front bulkheads and some more up front. I used Ballistic Buggy Losi 5-spoke wheels, with the rears slightly modified to take the axel nut inside the wheel rim and keep the right width.

For set-ups, luckily Craig Harris runs at my club so i just copied his :D He used to run the TRX1's and 3's back in the early 90's and is here on o0ple, so if your very lucky he might see this and help you out... And Stu Wood was another famous TRX driver and i believe he's still on here too.

[Welshy40]

Craig and Stu were the two team drivers, Craig dominated carpet racing in the 90's including taking tq at the indoor finals championships and Stu won a national with the TRX3 and was a close race against Craig Drescher. These guys know their stuff.

[Body Paint]

Yes I did spot it ;)

Hi Lonestar, I have some setups in my little black book and in fact I have been running a TRX1 fairly recently in a vintage race so I know the setup is still good, even with 7.5 brushless and lipo :o:).

What tyres will you be running? Period or new?

[Lonestar]

Wonderful :)

Thanks guys.

I will be running modern tires, but I have to tap into a box of mid-90's sets I still have in my workshop. That means some kind of schum yellows at the rear and some kind of studs at the front. Modern B4/Losi wheels seem to be a proper fit as long as the hole is re-bored to 5mm, I also have some 2.2 Kyosho wheels that would work too. Up front I will be using B3 wheels, 850's are a tight fit for the 5mm axle but it works.

We'll be running on a mix of carpet and linoleum, with ridiculous jumps. Tight and demanding tracks... very technical, I usually run my B4 with 8.5T BL mills, which is already quite a bit too much so HP isn't an issue... Check out one of the previous rounds here for instance:

http://www.overrc.com/courses/courses2010/siorc23012010/siorc23012010.html

(I'm the guy wearing the vintage RC10 shirt btw :wub )

I was planning on using the plastic yokes as I have a bunch... but not sure anymore now. I have dumped quite a bit of cash in that project already, might as well spend the extra $20 to make it bombproof.

Metal top gear is a PITA to find, even stock 21T top gears are a main hassle to source. Idler gear is much easier, even in alloy, as it's still used (or a very similar one) for modern designs. May I ask which one you call "layshaft"? The car also will have a brand spanking new diff and slipper assembly.

I will be running lipos as I'm short of proper SC's with the right watts, but some kind of 411P/G or HPC speedo (gotta check which one I have in stock...) and some kind of 15T or so mill to propel that baby.

Only parts non new on the car are:
- shock bodies/pistons/shafts
- tranny case , top gear + rear batt box
- both shock towers
- steering bellcrank

I'm really looking forward to that race and I'm counting the days till the 20th... thanks for any help you might have!

:thumbsup:

Paul

[Dyna]

Ahhh glad Craig saw this, he'll sort you out with set-ups ;)

Ive been going through my car today and remembered a couple of things that might or might not help - hey, its always useful to have a reference anyway :woot:

The metal layshaft gear i was talking about is the optional Metal Top Gear ( Layshaft gear - the gear on the other end of the shaft which also has the spur on ) 21 tooth HD Steel Replacement part number 2794.

I had a problem that this fixed... took some time to work it out though :blush: Basically after 4-5 laps i would lose drive. Get back to the pits, play with the gearbox, cant see or feel anything wrong. Rebuild the diff, check tightness, replace slipper, re-adjust etc etc Same problem, 4-5 laps and drive would go. Back to the pits, mysteriously fixed itself :eh?:

Then i eventually checked the layshaft gear ( which was brand new ) the resin had deteriorated so after 4-5 laps it would heat up and melt over the layshaft pin losing its grip on the pin, spinning the gear around the shaft losing drive. Once left to cool down ( walking to the pits, swearing ) it would harden around the pin again just enough so it seemed it had fixed itself at the pit table.... And this was with an old 15 brushed double on 2400 ni-cads - imagine what brushless & lipo will do to a bad resin top gear :o

So luckily i found a old-stock optional TRX1 metal gear which went in one, and i used a modified TRX3 metal one in the other runner. It is just slightly wider though, binding the TRX1 gearbox. You can either play around with shims & ballraces ( not perfect ) or turn the gear down on a lathe about 0.75mm, which is what i did and is the better bet.

I never found the 30 tooth idler gear in plastic to be a problem, so i wouldnt worry about that one though. And the diff was and is a good 'un, great bit of kit that, tough as old boots :)

Again the resin gearbox U/J joints fail around the grubscrews, even new white ones fail quickly. Black resin ones are much better though, so if they are black use them. But another reason for the metal U/J gearbox joints though is it takes just a little bit of backlash out of the sliders, stopping just a little bit of 'wind-up' in them as you accelerate and decelerate. If you can find some, complete TCP metal U/J's are the best. Rare as though.

The main problem which affected both myself and Craig last year though was the resin parts deterioration. In the last race we both ran our TRX1's at we broke just about every suspension part there is in very minor knocks - we were both swapping spares just to keep them running... :bored: Problem is the old white Traxxas resin doesent seem to have aged well - the later black parts are still fine though.

I hate to say it, but dont be suprised if even those new white parts of yours break at minor knocks, especially if its cold. The Traxxas TRX1 & 3 were known years ago for being the toughest cars on the track - now sadly that isnt the case :( It depends how they have been stored and used. If they have been in the sun a lot they probably wont be much good. If they have been in a box somewhere sealed up they might be fine still.

The other things we used were the optional front 25 degree castor blocks instead of the 30 degrees to get some steering, and on my original TRX1 in the early 90's i modified the chassis to shorten the rear wheelbase on tighter tracks. Traxxas themselves also released a optional short wheelbase TRX1 chassis, i cant remember if it was any good or not though for the top drivers. I think Craig might have run one, i'm sure he'll tell you if he did.

Wheels are Ballistic Buggy Losi rears, with the outer middle machined to allow the nut to fit inside the rim, and slightly bored out if i remember rightly. And i used Ballistic Buggy Tamiya fronts as a perfect straight-on fit.

For the front brace i machined a couple of mm away from both the front arms to allow a brace to be fitted in 1.5mm carbon on the hinge pins. Together with a beefier bulkhead brace this worked a treat for the front end :)

Suspension towers i used Graphite Design ones in 4mm Carbon fibre, much better than the cardboard ones of standard ! If you need any, Fibre Lyte still do the shock towers for the TRX1 & 3.

I used the original 6- pin slipper then and now, as frankly im not a very good driver and just steering causes me trouble :D Lots of other people used the Losi slipper or Hydradrive as you could get optional layshafts for them. Craig i know was hunting for one last year as he used to use one back in the day i think ?

If you can get it reliable resin parts wise, and with some minor mods it wont let you down and you just might be suprised at how capable it still is, especially on rough tracks.

Good luck - and try to post up some pics of it ?

[Lonestar]

WOW this is an awesome post :thumbsup: thanks a lot!

2794 - normally if everything goes fine I have a couple coming from the US in a few days... probably one of the toughest parts to find ;) Worst case I have a plastic one but your story is very interesting.

Plastics - I have already nicknamed my car "the black widow"... white plastics are for my other shelfer :D Black plastics rule, additionnally a lot of the parts are still available in that colour, so all black my car is.

Yokes - got it... will get steel ones, end of story. As I'm also racing 2WD I can't afford to have one car breaking down otherwise I screw both classes up :blush: Thanks for the advice :

25deg castor blocks - were the default option given our tracks' layouts as you probably noticed haha - good to know I made the right choice though!

I'll try to snap a couple of pics of the build as I go... right now it's very very early, but hopefully this will gather some interest as we go :)

Setups would now be very very welcome :thumbsup:

thanks a lot guys...:wub

Paul

[woOdy]

I am running mine at the moment and hoping to do so at the Nats this year. Made a few changes though:woot: Some have seen it at Bury this winter but as spares are limited I dont want to waste the spares I have.

[Lonestar]

Cool - wanna share tips about these "few changes"? ;)

Still waiting for setups... I'm about to start the shocks, would like to know whether I should use limiters :eh?:

Thanks!

Paul

[Lonestar]

I felt a lot of love early on... all gone now???:eh?:

[woOdy]

I felt a lot of love early on... all gone now???:eh?:

Sorry, Really busy. Do not put limiters in. Put roughly 35 wt in front and 30 in rear and losi red springs all round, If I can remember. I am running AE springs right now but these are not right so when it gets a little better outside then I will have a propper play.

[MikePimlott]

http://www.oople.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=242&pictureid=1334

heres yours Stu, at Bury earlier last year. :thumbsup: :wub:

[Dyna]

Sorry im not ignoring you but im not going to offer my set-ups on the TRX1 when you have both Craig and Stu here offering theirs... im quite happy to help with parts or car mods but set-ups ill leave to the experts :lol:

Tbh im also intrigued in what Stu has done to his TRX1 as well, so im also watching this thread with interest...

[Northy]

Ooooohhhh, I have two TRX-1's hung on the garage wall, this makes me want to make a runner out of one of them :D

G

[dave g]

i sold jimmi a beauty one last year i think,carbon chassis on it too :)

[Northy]

i sold jimmi a beauty one last year i think,carbon chassis on it too :)

That now lives on my garage wall ;)

The chassis is odd though, narrow at the front :eh?:

G

[Cobra]

If any of you guy,s want a good repo body and undertray let me know

[Lonestar]

Sorry, Really busy. Do not put limiters in. Put roughly 35 wt in front and 30 in rear and losi red springs all round, If I can remember. I am running AE springs right now but these are not right so when it gets a little better outside then I will have a propper play.

35F, 30R, losi reds alround, got it - AW springs don't fit that right indeed... I have some TRX shock collars on my RC10T and indeed the dimensions arent't that great :)

Thanks!

Paul

[Lonestar]

I did spend quite a bit of time in the last 48hrs trying to get the front right, knowing that I'm not always using stock parts... the steering assembly is pretty much home-designed, at least that's some shelf engineering.

Will post pics tomorrow - KO PS713 included :wub

Paul

[Lonestar]

As promised, here's a little build report as well as a few pics...

Basically this car started as a pile-o-junk bought on a US forum... it was supposed to be a runner, but no proper modeller in their righ mind would have run this in that shape. Actually, the diff wasn't diffing any more, most of the tranny was shot, the shocks were stuck, there was a mix of screws, rust, TONS of slop, and so on so forth. The chassis had a couple of dings but was ok, the motor plate was straight, the tranny case so-so, the bellcrank was missing the posts, blah blah blah you get the picture. It slept in a box for a couple of years.

This winter, we run a vintage series locally, and I do fare quite well there, with a Fire Dragon (as amazing as it sounds). It isn't very competitive, but I'm an ok driver, so I can pretty much drive it a full heat and main without making mistakes, I don't run the fastest laps but I do win thanks to consistency. However, the occasional mechanical failure lets me down, as the FD is anything but a well thought-out racer... For the last round end of march, I thought it would be the perfect pretext to rebuild the TRX-1. That's when I pulled it apart and found out its true condition... I started scouting the web, and part after part, I came to having way too much money invested in parts stashed in a box labelled "Traxxas" :o But now, I can build the ultimate TRX-1, which should be as reliable as a modern racer, just a tad less performant I hope:thumbsup:

Here are the pics. I will post new ones as I go.

Some of the parts:
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0002.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0002.jpg)

Front end partially assembled, rear end basics bolted on chassis:
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0001.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0001.jpg)

Front end almost done, still some stuff to fine-tune:
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0005.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0005.jpg)

Front end completely done, top view:
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0007.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0007.jpg)

Side View (with brand new period PS713):
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0006.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0006.jpg)[/URL]

A pic of the mess I work on (won't show you what the floor looks like... :o):
[URL="http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0008.jpg"]http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0008.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0007.jpg)

And some eye candy... brand new Blue Eagle tranny :wub (I have one of these to restore too):
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0003.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0003.jpg)

More pics to come as the build goes on!

Comments welcome :)

Paul

PS: Thanks to all those who helped, especially Mark in the US if he reads this, who DONATED parts :wub

[woOdy]

As promised, here's a little build report as well as a few pics...

Basically this car started as a pile-o-junk bought on a US forum... it was supposed to be a runner, but no proper modeller in their righ mind would have run this in that shape. Actually, the diff wasn't diffing any more, most of the tranny was shot, the shocks were stuck, there was a mix of screws, rust, TONS of slop, and so on so forth. The chassis had a couple of dings but was ok, the motor plate was straight, the tranny case so-so, the bellcrank was missing the posts, blah blah blah you get the picture. It slept in a box for a couple of years.

This winter, we run a vintage series locally, and I do fare quite well there, with a Fire Dragon (as amazing as it sounds). It isn't very competitive, but I'm an ok driver, so I can pretty much drive it a full heat and main without making mistakes, I don't run the fastest laps but I do win thanks to consistency. However, the occasional mechanical failure lets me down, as the FD is anything but a well thought-out racer... For the last round end of march, I thought it would be the perfect pretext to rebuild the TRX-1. That's when I pulled it apart and found out its true condition... I started scouting the web, and part after part, I came to having way too much money invested in parts stashed in a box labelled "Traxxas" :o But now, I can build the ultimate TRX-1, which should be as reliable as a modern racer, just a tad less performant I hope:thumbsup:

Here are the pics. I will post new ones as I go.

Some of the parts:
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0002.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0002.jpg)

Front end partially assembled, rear end basics bolted on chassis:
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0001.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0001.jpg)

Front end almost done, still some stuff to fine-tune:
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0005.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0005.jpg)

Front end completely done, top view:
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0007.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0007.jpg)

Side View (with brand new period PS713):
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0006.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0006.jpg)

A pic of the mess I work on (won't show you what the floor looks like... :o):
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0008.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0008.jpg)

And some eye candy... brand new Blue Eagle tranny :wub (I have one of these to restore too):
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/th_DSC_0003.jpg (http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp83/UsernameALaCon/TRX-1%20TRX1/?action=view&current=DSC_0003.jpg)

More pics to come as the build goes on!

Comments welcome :)

Paul

PS: Thanks to all those who helped, especially Mark in the US if he reads this, who DONATED parts :wub

I dont know why but why are your front wishbones different?

[Lonestar]

I dont know why but why are your front wishbones different?


cuz they're black, maybe??? :woot:

Seriously, they're 1931's, ie true TRX-1 front arms... I just went downstairs as you made me nervous, and compared them with the stock battered parts that are in the junk bin, as well as with the white parts from my shelfer, and they're one and the same but the color.

What a sharpened eye will see though is that both the front and rear knuckles aren't TRX1 parts!

Paul

[Dyna]

Errr actually i agree with Woody.... they are not original shaped TRX1 front arms. Forgetting the colour for the moment of course....

I've gone up to the loft and checked all three of my TRX1's, my TRX3 & TCP and there's no match for the arms you have - and i have a brand new pack of white TRX1 arms and yours are definitely different.

I thought they could have been the shorter TRX3 arms but not them either. I'm thinking early Bandit arms ? And i presume the F & R knuckles are Bandit parts also ?

Dosent really matter, as just seeing the pics of the new-build is cool :)

Hell, i might even have to get my runner going again ;)

[BORMAC]

If any of you guy,s want a good repo body and undertray let me know

This isn't the first time ive seen you mention a repro TRX1 shell. Are these available yet? Do you have the repro undertay also?

Cheers- Jason. :D

[Cobra]

Yes both available now, pm me for details

[Northy]

Can I have details too?

G

[Cobra]

OK Northy send me a pm

[Lonestar]

Errr actually i agree with Woody.... they are not original shaped TRX1 front arms. Forgetting the colour for the moment of course....

I've gone up to the loft and checked all three of my TRX1's, my TRX3 & TCP and there's no match for the arms you have - and i have a brand new pack of white TRX1 arms and yours are definitely different.

I thought they could have been the shorter TRX3 arms but not them either. I'm thinking early Bandit arms ? And i presume the F & R knuckles are Bandit parts also ?

Dosent really matter, as just seeing the pics of the new-build is cool :)

Hell, i might even have to get my runner going again ;)


OK. I'll take pics of both white and black arms next to each other... the part # is the same anyway, 1931. I am 99.9% sure they're the same...

I have a few learnings from the shock build, I'll try to update the thead soon. Plus I did some open-heart surgery on my 411P and woohoo it works a charm :)

Wilco :)

Paul

[Lonestar]

99.9% sure wasn't enough I guess as they ARE different in the end, as you guys pointed out... There is some additional plastic on the black ones at the front of the arms next to the shock mount screw axles... prolly some kind of reinforcement scheme. They DO have the same part number though, that seems to be a running change.

I am slowly progressing on the build but I am desperately lacking time to update the thread with pics... every step takes WAY longer than I had planned. For instance, it took me about an hour yesterday to finally get the optional metal idler gear fit on its axle... they do mention in the instructions that the fit is "tight" but heck it was more than this as mounting it involved a vice, an brand new axle that was shot and went straight to the bin, a hammer, and the kitchen oven at 250degC...

Will post pics at some point, prolly after the race weekend :)

Paul