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discostu
05-03-2010, 11:01 PM
hey fellas

What are peoples thoughts on driver grading to sort heats other than previous week qualifying and random heats.

stu

Garry Spice
06-03-2010, 07:09 AM
but the theres always going to be someone in the wrong heat.with so many new and returning drivers to the club how do you grade everyone?
leave it as it is...if you have a good week then your in with the right people,but if you have a sh*tter then its tough.it the same rule for everybody.


ps,12293:thumbsup:

discostu
06-03-2010, 10:27 AM
yeah but its not just the one or two people in the wrong heats last wednesday we had two heats thats 8 drivers just randomly stuck together yes i would agree the drivers would need to be graded and every body always say they are better than they are but after the first weeks racing the results would show the drivers ability and also if they they couldn't make it for a month lets say when they return that person would be in the correct heat for his/her talent.

stu

crewie
06-03-2010, 11:09 AM
With that system your saying that I can race every week, finish in say 5th place every week but one week 3 random drivers turn up who at some point in a 15 week championship came 4th make me drop down to the lower heats. That then spoils my nights racing and I go home a tad miffed. How has that rewarded my loyalty to the club. At a quick glance at the last championship 40 odd drivers did 11 rounds:woot: but 95 percent of them would have to relinquish their place for a 'random' driver which isn't very fair in my opinion.
No system is perfect including ours and sometimes people will feel they are in the wrong heat but its impossible to please everybody so surely the emphasis should be on the regular club racers.

Dave

Hog
06-03-2010, 12:20 PM
Suggestions such as this are all very welcome (and we always welcome suggestions to improve the club) but you do have to bear in mind one major point Stu........

Someone has to sit down and sort it all out every week. We all have jobs and families. As it works at present it's pretty self evaluating. And as Crewie rightfully says, the current system rewards commitment to the club.

When I miss a week, I know I'm not going to be in the top heat. I fully accept that and welcome the challenge of trying to get back to the top end from a lower heat.

I think the system works well as is. Yes there's the odd mismatch, but the booking in procedure and Alan's knowledge does put people in a heat pretty well matched to their ability already.

discostu
06-03-2010, 06:46 PM
With that system your saying that I can race every week, finish in say 5th place every week but one week 3 random drivers turn up who at some point in a 15 week championship came 4th make me drop down to the lower heats. That then spoils my nights racing and I go home a tad miffed. How has that rewarded my loyalty to the club. At a quick glance at the last championship 40 odd drivers did 11 rounds:woot: but 95 percent of them would have to relinquish their place for a 'random' driver which isn't very fair in my opinion.
No system is perfect including ours and sometimes people will feel they are in the wrong heat but its impossible to please everybody so surely the emphasis should be on the regular club racers.

Dave

yes i can see your point the regular club members are the most important thing but what do we all go there for every week that is to race and race with drivers of simular ability not to lap 2sec a lap faster than the other 7 cars in your heat not only does it get boring but it gets a tad frustrating for the faster driver and the other 7 who are forever moving out the way, now thats not racing. i apreciate what you are saying having a driver turn up who previusly beat you he would be graded higher but do you not feel you would want to beat them and become a better driver,

stu

A qualifying final format would get aronud the problem your feeling dave for the reason if you are graded slightly lower than you think you should be the q result would put you in the correct final to maintain the 5th position ect.

discostu
06-03-2010, 07:00 PM
Suggestions such as this are all very welcome (and we always welcome suggestions to improve the club) but you do have to bear in mind one major point Stu........

Someone has to sit down and sort it all out every week. We all have jobs and families. As it works at present it's pretty self evaluating. And as Crewie rightfully says, the current system rewards commitment to the club.

When I miss a week, I know I'm not going to be in the top heat. I fully accept that and welcome the challenge of trying to get back to the top end from a lower heat.

I think the system works well as is. Yes there's the odd mismatch, but the booking in procedure and Alan's knowledge does put people in a heat pretty well matched to their ability already.

hey dave

im not saying the system doesnt work (its proven) but it could be more efficent you say some one needs to sit down and do this actualy you would but it wouldn't take any longer to do than booking in if the booking in was done straight into the computer what the systemk does as you book in it gives a drop down box to enter driver ability 0-15 you simply ad the number the driver is booked in and a ability level is created then you would click on the create heat button a job done 9 heats made from ability sorted in the correct order as it stands at present alan takes a list he ticks the drivers he then sits down with john and calls the names john then manualy enters the drivers in the pc then the pc prints the heats out. this takes twice as long to do.

again qualify format does the same it sorts the finals out just need to click to create after q is done.

dave doesn't it frustrate you that you are lapping drivers every other lap when you miss a week.

im not saying alan doesn't do a great job but we did have two random heats last wednesday and 1 the week before.

Maybe im a little to compettive but we do it to race and be the best we can be if not whats the point.

stu

discostu
07-03-2010, 04:53 PM
i have to say so much for loyal club members 179 hits 3 replies it seems like everybody just wants to plod along:(:(!

gav4wd
07-03-2010, 05:25 PM
Talking with Ed in general conversation yes things are not always the way they should be but thats life:eh?:
There are only a few that are there all the time and a minor few that unless a major problem make the top heat every week the way it works i feel is ok, sometimes if you are missing one week or had a bad week Alan if a space is avaliable will bump you into the heat you should be in.
The club is not run for just the big fish as the club is only a small pond ;)for some getting in the top 5 is like winning overall and are chuffed. do not take that away from them.
So for me the previous weeks outcome should mean that the next week these people are good enough for there respective heat, yes!
Stu have you been missed place in the wrong heat, i have not
the only person that was out of the top heat was Ed but he had a crap week so was in the heat he qualified for now this week he is back in the top heat.
I am on holiday soon so will miss a week and understand that i will NOT BE IN THE TOP HEAT. THATS LIFE
maybe if we concentrate on better driving standards and eticate we all from the top to bottom will enjoy what we all go for RACING.

discostu
07-03-2010, 06:09 PM
Talking with Ed in general conversation yes things are not always the way they should be but thats life:eh?:
There are only a few that are there all the time and a minor few that unless a major problem make the top heat every week the way it works i feel is ok, sometimes if you are missing one week or had a bad week Alan if a space is avaliable will bump you into the heat you should be in.
The club is not run for just the big fish as the club is only a small pond ;)for some getting in the top 5 is like winning overall and are chuffed. do not take that away from them.
So for me the previous weeks outcome should mean that the next week these people are good enough for there respective heat, yes!
Stu have you been missed place in the wrong heat, i have not
the only person that was out of the top heat was Ed but he had a crap week so was in the heat he qualified for now this week he is back in the top heat.
I am on holiday soon so will miss a week and understand that i will NOT BE IN THE TOP HEAT. THATS LIFE
maybe if we concentrate on better driving standards and eticate we all from the top to bottom will enjoy what we all go for RACING.

fist thing first have a good holiday neil.

no i have never been missed placed in the wrong heat with the current system as you said neil the majorty are in the correct heat so a grading system will only improve the club as it will not effect regular racers it will mean if you do go on holiday or miss a week for any reason you will still be racing the drivers you should be racing with. and also you will encourage even more drivers to come and race as they will not feel they will be graded in the wrong heat.

I had a coversation with a old racing friend of mine and he said he would never race at forcc as he could only make it 1 week in 3 and he felt he would be graded wrong with current system which is a shame.

I appretiate what you say about qualifying in the top five but surly having a good race with an equal driver will out weigh that every time, i have many conversations over the years with you ed and numorouse euro and world class drivers and the answer is the same every time and that is it doesnt matter how good you are if its a close race thats all that matters.
and you cannot do this if the drivers are not equal.

stu

discostu
08-03-2010, 09:17 PM
im assuming as nobody is intrested in a grading system with reaction to this thread in my eyes thats a little disapointing from a club point of veiw i suppose we shall just plod along and await drivers not to be able to make race night to qualify for a better heat.:(:(:(

greasy mark
08-03-2010, 09:31 PM
hi here lol just been flat out as useual and still cant spell i like the idea stu not shure how well it would work tho .i might work beter i think it woud take a while for people to get the hang of it tho are u sujesting that there are finals or just q with the final score giving each driver there grading?

Hog
08-03-2010, 11:57 PM
im assuming as nobody is intrested in a grading system with reaction to this thread in my eyes thats a little disapointing from a club point of veiw i suppose we shall just plod along and await drivers not to be able to make race night to qualify for a better heat.:(:(:(

Erm....Stu - you're a bit quick to jump to conclusions there you know. We don't all spend every waking moment on Oople. It's only been 3 days since your original post.

Don't be so quick to belittle the hard work put in by the few for the many.

Perhaps we could address smaller issues first - such as say putting the track away and those who think it's below them and never help?

discostu
09-03-2010, 09:23 AM
hey mark i dont think a qulifying final format would ever happen as there doen't seem to be enough time on wednesday eve as for grading it would be worked out from judging your ability to other drivers for example neil and ed are the best so they would get a grading of 15 and so down the order.

you get me wrong dave im not belitling any body or the hard work put into the club evrybody who are involed does a great job.

but dont forget 286 hits on this thread and 25 club members have been on line since i first posted 3 days ago.

Im just curiouse on peoples views.

stu

rc_penguin
09-03-2010, 04:25 PM
My view then lol:

I like this idea, but can only see it being used to certain extent, for example there are many good drivers now easly capable of making the top heat, but however say Kev Lee turns up again, he would obviously have a very high grade, but does this mean say one of the top usuals should be knocked down a heat to make space?
However i do agree there are still some issues with capable drivers being very low heats, take Ross for example, good driver and easly capable of making the top 5 but he has a bad few weeks due to tiny little problems, he is now stuck in a lower heats where is he is 2/3 secs a lap quicker it makes it difficult for him to get out these lower heats due consistantly lapping slower cars. This not only makes it frustrating for Ross but also to the lower drivers due to the pressure of consistantly trying to let this faster car lap without taking it out :eh?:.

As i remember when i started it was hard enough to keep the car on its wheels within that 1/2m gap between the ropes, without trying to get out the way of another car :p My 2 pence for Stu.... Done :D

discostu
09-03-2010, 04:37 PM
hey will you have just answerd your own question yes if kev turned up he would be racing with drivers with simular ability (ed, neil etc )and with this system ross wouldn't be in the heat racing drivers who are 2 second a lap slower than him his grade would put him in his rightfull heat and if you miss a week like you did the other week being ill you are not again racing drivers who are way slower you would also be in your heat of simular ability. the driver grading doesn't just effect the top 6 it would effect the hole 63 drivers who raced last week for the fact that the racing will be more compettive and closer from the top heat to abslute beginers now this must be good.

stu

rc_penguin
09-03-2010, 04:59 PM
Hmmm.. suppose i kind of did but for it to work properly i reckon a average score should be taken from say 4/5 weeks for each driver therefore giving them their individual grade with the top grade being 100, this could allow for people to improve there grades or drop grades etc. etc. Meaning everyone would be in there correct heat racing with the right speed people if that makes sense. It also means you have to work for your grade.
For one off drivers such as Kev im sure a little common sense can be used :p. But dont forget as Mr. Andrews says someone has to find the time to sit down and work out these grades :eh?:

Garry Spice
09-03-2010, 05:38 PM
but,would this system mean your racing the same people week after week?
wheres the incentive to improve?

discostu
09-03-2010, 08:33 PM
Hmmm.. suppose i kind of did but for it to work properly i reckon a average score should be taken from say 4/5 weeks for each driver therefore giving them their individual grade with the top grade being 100, this could allow for people to improve there grades or drop grades etc. etc. Meaning everyone would be in there correct heat racing with the right speed people if that makes sense. It also means you have to work for your grade.
For one off drivers such as Kev im sure a little common sense can be used :p. But dont forget as Mr. Andrews says someone has to find the time to sit down and work out these grades :eh?:

hey will

ok the reason the grading is done 1 to 15 the bbk programs takes this number into account and automaticly works out heat listing this way there alan wont have to sit down at the biggining of each week manualy calling out numbers to john and manualy cretaing heats. its all done automatic if booking in was done direct into the computer it would take even less time.

and like i said before if the grading was done on booking in it would only need to be done once and maybe a bit of tweeking as people improve.

also what you are forgetting if a new driver who is pretty good turns up at the club they have to account for the tyres used for example a set of new tyres will run at least 0.5-1.0 second a lap slower than a ready set and it would only be an extreamly good driver to have borrowed ready set and get the setup on a wednesday and still win the meeting its unlikly.

stu

discostu
09-03-2010, 08:38 PM
but,would this system mean your racing the same people week after week?
wheres the incentive to improve?


gary we race the same people week after week at the moment a grading system would make that much differnce to the heat listings what it would do it would make the racing closer and it would alow a driver to miss a week and not have to race in a heat were they would be lapping every lap now thats not racing that is just driving around getting frustrated with slower drivers are in the way and likewise slower drivers forever moving off line, how is that racing.

stu

discostu
04-04-2010, 07:51 PM
hey chaps

so its been a couple off weeks and no more veiws on the driver grading what do people think of the idea or is everybody still liking racing againts the wrong drivers.

stu

sfry61
10-05-2010, 05:07 PM
I can see why it would be a good idea. I used to be stuck in the wrong heat for several weeks and lapping slower cars is no fun and they dont always move over for you. As a result of this you get tangled up with the slower cars and then ruins your week and then you remain in the lower heats. There's nothing more frustrating:mad: and in my opinion thats not really racing.

Any sort of driver grading would be good (in my opinion) It would result in much closer racing and you wouldnt have the pressure of having to do well every race every week to remain in your heat:)

That's my view on the subject:thumbsup:
Steve

discostu
13-05-2010, 08:11 PM
hey everybody

I see again we had a random heat last night its a bit of a shame.

im assuming the views are still the same on this we are all still racing for next weeks positions.

maybe we could trial a grading system over a couple of championship what do people think about this.

stu

track and racing last night was pretty good good job