All Day Meeting 2nd May 2010

[mikeyscott]

Hi,

We are currently in the process of planning an all day meeting for the first bank holiday in May.

I know it clashes with EPR, but we've got to get on and run an all day meeting.

We have a few things to sort out first, but who is interested in this?

We'll have limited Gazebo pit space.

Looking at a no later than 16:00 finish

Pending numbers a raffle too.

[super gripper]

Yep...., get my vote. the club is indeed in need of an all day well, day....

[mikeyscott]

Good.

Day....??

[Randall34]

Yes, I'm in Mike, (both Classes??)

[mikeyscott]

Yes, I'm in Mike, (both Classes??)

Cool

I'll prob only do one class as it'll be Steve and myself running the meeting. Julian is away that weekend. I imagine I'd run the Cougar SV (pending spares)

Need to get my mesh probs sorted on the Cat (spolied my day yesterday)..

[Randall34]

Both classes would depend on numbers (more than 2 heats in each class), but i may do alternate qualifying rounds and then both finals.

[wylie]

I know me and Cameron are away that weekend off to Herts for a two day nitro event, sorry guys.
Sunday the 9th May is good

[mikeyscott]

I know me and Cameron are away that weekend off to Herts for a two day nitro event, sorry guys.
Sunday the 9th May is good

Shame :(

I suppose you've got a busy season coming up now?

[mikeyscott]

Following last weekends meeting and asking the members this is a go. We'll post finer details later this week.

Shame Cammers and Tony will be deserting us! ;)

[simoncrabb]

Ace, I'm in, 4wd please.

How many rounds and finals? 4 rounds 3 finals should be easily doable!

[mikeyscott]

Cool, cheers Simon. Any of the other RC Lazy crew coming ;)

If people haven't been to TORCH before please send me their details such as freq, class, PT and F rating etc.

[dibble34]

I'm in too please. 2wd and 4wd if poss :thumbsup:

[wylie]

I hope you have a good meeting and that the weather is fine.
The date clashes with the first round of the Truggy Nats which is a two day event.
Will this be the first round of a championship series?

[dibble34]

Can't believe you won't be there wylie, i'll have no competition for last place :)

[Crazy L]

Count me in:thumbsup:

4WD for me please.:D

[wylie]

I thought I would give you a chance for last place Dibble, by not turning up :thumbsup:.
It's OK you wont be last Crazy L has booked in :lol:

[Crazy L]

It's OK you wont be last, Crazy L has booked in :lol:

The bloody cheek of it, I wont be last, if Showtime attends :D:D

[Randall34]

Mike / Steve,
Will barbecues be allowed at the track? (disposable type)
I was thinking of doing some hotdogs or burgers for lunchtime.

Neil

[mikeyscott]

Mike / Steve,
Will barbecues be allowed at the track? (disposable type)
I was thinking of doing some hotdogs or burgers for lunchtime.

Neil

The committeee will discuss this on Sunday and check with the farmer etc.


Is anyone interested in SC racing as we "may" do 2WD, 4WD and SC, just a thought. I'm only racing 4WD or my SV if it turns up.

[mikeyscott]

Ok we will cater for SC Trucks if there are enough.

So the all day meeting will cater for 2WD, 4WD & truck.

[mikeyscott]

BBQ will be allowed, but be mindful of others.

We will be doing prizes for 1st place in each final.

Pm me or steveb for further questions. Pass the word round.

[super gripper]

Mike / Steve,
Will barbecues be allowed at the track? (disposable type)
I was thinking of doing some hotdogs or burgers for lunchtime.

Neil

Excellent :thumbsup: I shall bring some sausages. Rolls too. large pack to go round

[jkonline]

Is there going to be an allocated lunch break or just in between races?

Thanks

[Randall34]

I guess it would depend on the number of heats, rounds and finals we need to fit in.
Mike, did you say you wanted it over by 4pm.
If so what is the start time?

[mikeyscott]

Steve and I will be at the track from about 08:30, booking in to be finished by 09:30 and practice till 09:50

Racing starting at 10am is what I was thinking. Neeed to see if Mr B the chairman agrees.

I'll be getting all the details together later for Jimmy to do a post in the news / events section :)

We will also prob be doing round by round to level the field a bit more for the newer guys who don't know the track.

PM SteveB for questions too

[mikeyscott]

Having spoke to our chairman last night the qualifying format (FTD/RBR) will be decided on the day by the drivers at race breifing.

Steve is also looking for someone to challenge is record.

[simoncrabb]

Hmm, that reminds me, I must clean and straighten my barbie after the Taly fire shenanigans...

Sounds good, any idea of number of rounds / finals yet?

4 quallies and 2 leg finals please!

[super gripper]

Hmm, that reminds me, I must clean and straighten my barbie after the Taly fire shenanigans...

Sounds good, any idea of number of rounds / finals yet?

4 quallies and 2 leg finals please!

We are used to 5 rounds and a final between 09:30 and 13:00.

So if we are going from 10:00 til 16:00 then we should be aiming at 6 rounds and 2 leg finals.............?

Whats the thought on this ?

[mikeyscott]

We are used to 5 rounds and a final between 09:30 and 13:00.

So if we are going from 10:00 til 16:00 then we should be aiming at 6 rounds and 2 leg finals.............?

Whats the thought on this ?

All depends on the turnout. If we suddenly had 40 drivers turn up for example then that would change the number of rounds etc.

I have no idea what the turnout may be. I'm not expecting massive numbers due to EPR Regional taking place. If it wasn't on the same weekend I think we could have expected DC, Nathan and maybe the Williams crew.

I have asked DMS etc. if they know anyone interested in this. For our potential next one I'll be arranging some A5 flyers to give out to racers in the weeks before. I am in the process of writing some text for Jimmy to post in the news section

I am anticipaiting having 6 cars in the heats for 2WD and 4WD and if we have any trucks we'll go from there.

[simoncrabb]

We are used to 5 rounds and a final between 09:30 and 13:00.

So if we are going from 10:00 til 16:00 then we should be aiming at 6 rounds and 2 leg finals.............?

Whats the thought on this ?

I think TORCH is VERY unusual at banging in 5 rounds and a final in 3.5 hours...

Most club's meetings are approx one race every 45-60 minutes, except perhaps evening meetings which are a little quicker.

I think most clubs do all day meetings as it's more relaxed, gives more time for working on cars, and also allows more track time - open track for practice when there's no heats on is ideal.

I guess it's all about TORCH growing into a 'normal' club and working in similar ways to 99% of other clubs!

I think this first all day meeting is an excellent way of organically allowing TORCH to change.

[mikeyscott]

Weather is looking pretty good :thumbsup:

[super gripper]

I think TORCH is VERY unusual at banging in 5 rounds and a final in 3.5 hours...

Most club's meetings are approx one race every 45-60 minutes, except perhaps evening meetings which are a little quicker.

I think most clubs do all day meetings as it's more relaxed, gives more time for working on cars, and also allows more track time - open track for practice when there's no heats on is ideal.

I guess it's all about TORCH growing into a 'normal' club and working in similar ways to 99% of other clubs!

I think this first all day meeting is an excellent way of organically allowing TORCH to change.

I am seeing peoples points here, I was hoping as we would have more time to get more racing in.

You are right Simon TORCH is unique in getting a lot of racing done in a short space of time.

At bigger meetings and regionals it is very frustrating being sat around for so long for your next race.

It is one of the reasons I like TORCH so much is that we get the racing done and not sat around for no reason and they are very good at getting the racing sorted quickly.

I go racing to race, not sit around.

Lets hope we can all come to an agreement here but I am not travelling all that way to spend more time at the track but only do the same amount of racing.

[mikeyscott]

I can't say how many rounds we are doing until we know what the numbers are going to be.

If 15 people turn up then it'll be x number of rounds however if 40 people turn it of course is going to be less.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Also got to take into account that people will need time to charge batteries, particularly racers still running NIMHs

[simoncrabb]

I can see we don't see eye to eye on this Lee!

Personally I like plenty of time to fix, change, adjust, fettle, charge, the car, and plenty of time to eat, chat, watch other racing etc.

It was amusing, we were at Taly, and had a time table with an hour and a half between each run, and we were saying how nice it was! Loads of time to fix the car, strip it down, change something, get it sorted before the next run, it was ace!

I think it's down to a mindset where you either go racing to get track time, or you go racing for the whole experience, and that includes a lot of time working on the cars.

[jamiekerr14]

From my experience.. a mix of both is nice.. having 3 mins between your own heats is bit crazy.. but having 25-30 mins is nice.. charge tweak clean chat ect.. Prefer to have a mixed day. Not rushing round like a loon.. but not sitting on your hands for hours.. getting a mix is the ideal way. I personally prefer a day at the track, and at a comfortable pace... not 4 hrs... and cant even stand still until you marshalling or racing again.. thats my view.. plus you dont get much if any time to change tweak-Fix things if broken too...

I MAY be down sunday not sure.. depends on my work load!

[mikeyscott]

We are used to 5 rounds and a final between 09:30 and 13:00.

So if we are going from 10:00 til 16:00 then we should be aiming at 6 rounds and 2 leg finals.............?

Whats the thought on this ?

Ace, I'm in, 4wd please.

How many rounds and finals? 4 rounds 3 finals should be easily doable!

Guys you are not too far apart.....

People will need time to do set-up changes and of course eat..

Please don't let the number of rounds be the issue here. I am sure there will be enough racing to meeting everyones needs!

[simoncrabb]

Guys you are too far apart.....

NOT too far apart!

Exactly, we'll be fine and dandy.

[mikeyscott]

NOT too far apart!

Exactly, we'll be fine and dandy.

Beaten me to my correction!!

[mikeyscott]

From my experience.. a mix of both is nice.. having 3 mins between your own heats is bit crazy.. but having 25-30 mins is nice.. charge tweak clean chat ect.. Prefer to have a mixed day. Not rushing round like a loon.. but not sitting on your hands for hours.. getting a mix is the ideal way. I personally prefer a day at the track, and at a comfortable pace... not 4 hrs... and cant even stand still until you marshalling or racing again.. thats my view.. plus you dont get much if any time to change tweak-Fix things if broken too...

I MAY be down sunday not sure.. depends on my work load!

You've got the whole weekend to do course work ;) I wing'd mine over a week in the final year (prob explains a lot...)

So get down to TORCH for racing, more track time and you'll beat Tony! LOL Fribben and anyone else coming from the nitro world?

:thumbsup:

[jamiekerr14]

haha maybe will see.. Um not sure tbh.. Not sure if grant is planning on going down or not.. cammers and tony are Herts.. not sure.. tbh

[mikeyscott]

haha maybe will see.. Um not sure tbh.. Not sure if grant is planning on going down or not.. cammers and tony are kent.. not sure.. tbh

Could be a very good day for the 4WD boys, even if my SV turns up it could be left on the side for this weekend :thumbsup:

[dibble34]

Really hope we have good weather. Lee if you are worried about the number of rounds, why not enter 2wd as well? You can't expect too much detail until the day and number of entrants are known. Sunday is also about attracting new members and having more competition. You can be sure Mike and co will get the most racing they can in :thumbsup:

[Crazy L]

No more 1/8th boys as far as I'm aware, Fribbers is on holiday, and cammers and Tony RC are doing the Truggy Nats. Just me then.

As for the lay out of the day, I don't mind, I'm gonna be there because for the last 16 years I've been going to Torch on and off, they've never done an all dayer. Now I'll be there to do the following: Race, Chat, Eat, socialise, and take photos:thumbsup:.

Though that said, I'd like to echo what JamieKerr said, a mix is good, no rushing but no sat on thumbs either.

See you all sunday.:thumbsup:

[simoncrabb]

As for the lay out of the day, I don't mind, I'm gonna be there because for the last 16 years I've been going to Torch on and off, they've never done an all dayer. Now I'll be there to do the following: Race, Chat, Eat, socialise, and take photos:thumbsup:.


Wow, TORCH has been around a LONG time, I didn't know that!

And never an all dayer! Wows!

[Randall34]

Not strictly true, TORCH always used to do alldayers on bank holiday mondays when i used to race (at Titchfield Community Centre), we also used to do special events like demos at model exhibitions and away days at places like Victoria Country Park. Plus we did an inter club championships with Basingstoke, Southampton, Romsey and Us, which was 4 allday meetings, one at each club during the summer.

Simon - the club has been going for more like 25 years, and been at 5 locations over the years, and has enjoyed a very healthy membership in the past.

So hopefully this is a good step to reaching and surpassing TORCH's former glory.

Let's race...............

[super gripper]

I can see we don't see eye to eye on this Lee!

Personally I like plenty of time to fix, change, adjust, fettle, charge, the car, and plenty of time to eat, chat, watch other racing etc.

It was amusing, we were at Taly, and had a time table with an hour and a half between each run, and we were saying how nice it was! Loads of time to fix the car, strip it down, change something, get it sorted before the next run, it was ace!

I think it's down to a mindset where you either go racing to get track time, or you go racing for the whole experience, and that includes a lot of time working on the cars.

Simon its just me mate, I itch to race. Can't get enough of it.

Everyone is right in their own way. We do need a good mix and all that. I am just a impatient so n so.

I would like to do 2wd aswell and I will when I get my hands on the Tamiya TRF201.

Just like Mike I am waiting on a 2wd marvel.

It should be a good day, I might run my Lunchbox in the truck race if we have one for a laugh!

If you have all looked at the weather reports its not looking good so far, lets just hope the weather prediction improves.

[mikeyscott]

Weather reports I have looked at have forecast it to be dry.

[super gripper]

Weather reports I have looked at have forecast it to be dry.

I always look here

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/dayforecast.asp?zipcode=so32&day=5

[Crazy L]

Not strictly true, TORCH always used to do alldayers on bank holiday mondays when i used to race (at Titchfield Community Centre), we also used to do special events like demos at model exhibitions and away days at places like Victoria Country Park. Plus we did an inter club championships with Basingstoke, Southampton, Romsey and Us, which was 4 allday meetings, one at each club during the summer.

Simon - the club has been going for more like 25 years, and been at 5 locations over the years, and has enjoyed a very healthy membership in the past.

So hopefully this is a good step to reaching and surpassing TORCH's former glory.

Let's race...............

Never said they had never:eh?:. I started in 93/94, when we out the back of Funtley Garden Centre, I used to turn up on my motorbike in the early days if my dad wouldn't give me a lift. I'm aware of the interclub thing too, and the couple of times before I started when they did the demos at the Modelville show at Crookhorn school for a couple of years.

Alas, even back in the days of the garden centre did we have around 30 drivers for a sunday morning, and a break in the middle:), but I never experienced an all dayer with them. AND....AND, even then, it was Brown Jnr and Waldo who were always the quick ones.

Anyway, roll on sunday:thumbsup:

[mikeyscott]

Brown Jnr... No change there and he's even better now !

I remember doing all day meetings at the place before the garden nursery!

Mum use to take me to the garden nursey in our white volvo. I raced a Cougar 2000 and then a Losi XX. Used to pit with Gerald Page and co. Jason Moggy used to help me out etc

I quit racing around 96 I think due to getting a job at Tesco working Saturday and Sunday was double time. I then sold my gear for beer money for Uni. Wish I hadn't done that. Used to have the bright yellow Losi XX. I was crap back then.

Did a meeting at Basingstoke with Tony E running it.

[SteveB]

I am seeing peoples points here, I was hoping as we would have more time to get more racing in.

You are right Simon TORCH is unique in getting a lot of racing done in a short space of time.

At bigger meetings and regionals it is very frustrating being sat around for so long for your next race.

It is one of the reasons I like TORCH so much is that we get the racing done and not sat around for no reason and they are very good at getting the racing sorted quickly.

I go racing to race, not sit around.

Lets hope we can all come to an agreement here but I am not travelling all that way to spend more time at the track but only do the same amount of racing.

I can see we don't see eye to eye on this Lee!

Personally I like plenty of time to fix, change, adjust, fettle, charge, the car, and plenty of time to eat, chat, watch other racing etc.

It was amusing, we were at Taly, and had a time table with an hour and a half between each run, and we were saying how nice it was! Loads of time to fix the car, strip it down, change something, get it sorted before the next run, it was ace!

I think it's down to a mindset where you either go racing to get track time, or you go racing for the whole experience, and that includes a lot of time working on the cars.

From my experience.. a mix of both is nice.. having 3 mins between your own heats is bit crazy.. but having 25-30 mins is nice.. charge tweak clean chat ect.. Prefer to have a mixed day. Not rushing round like a loon.. but not sitting on your hands for hours.. getting a mix is the ideal way. I personally prefer a day at the track, and at a comfortable pace... not 4 hrs... and cant even stand still until you marshalling or racing again.. thats my view.. plus you dont get much if any time to change tweak-Fix things if broken too...

I MAY be down sunday not sure.. depends on my work load!

Really hope we have good weather. Lee if you are worried about the number of rounds, why not enter 2wd as well? You can't expect too much detail until the day and number of entrants are known. Sunday is also about attracting new members and having more competition. You can be sure Mike and co will get the most racing they can in :thumbsup:

Guys you are not too far apart.....

People will need time to do set-up changes and of course eat..

Please don't let the number of rounds be the issue here. I am sure there will be enough racing to meeting everyones needs!

I can't say how many rounds we are doing until we know what the numbers are going to be.

If 15 people turn up then it'll be x number of rounds however if 40 people turn it of course is going to be less.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Also got to take into account that people will need time to charge batteries, particularly racers still running NIMHs


I ve been racing for 25 years all told (on and off), 5 years sponsored and travelled with racing to Australia, Florida, Belgium, Holland, France, Portugal etc etc. So my experience of formats is fairly good with
"IC racing"!
When I participated in 2 world championships the most frustrating part of the 2 weeks was there was very little run time. Qualifiing being 3 days only with 2 qualifiers per day. This was a staggering total of 60 mins on track for 3 days, you were waiting to up to 3 - 4 hrs between runs depending on what heat order was running:thumbdown:. So in relation to the Torch setup you have huge differences. Tbh off the point to a degree.

Lets bullet point the positives of fast turnaround vs negative:

Positive

1. Value for Money
2. More racing
3. More fun/challenging?

Negatives

1. Wear Rate of car increases,
2. No chat time/socialising
3. No helping others
4. No fixing/breakage/improvement time
5. Less racing
6. Less time to reflect, pressurised racing

Add ons:

1. 3.5 hrs half day meetings create limitations?
2. Best fit senario to meet new and old racers to Torch?
3. More all day meets (based on success/support of ones planned)?
4. Sponsored Support from businesses like RW/Schumacher (Local RC shop)?
5. Needs of the many outway the needs of the few?
6. Voting (Membership Meeting)
7. Developing/Evolving
8. Commitment from commitee and members to support/change?
9. Track readiness for larger meetings
10. Acheving the longer term goals of the club?

Keeping everyone motivated to come back and join in with "our" club.

I believe less racing is right to enable the support factor to struggling racers, who need advice and basic help, to make sure they stay motivated to come back. I tell u one thing if I was getting my arse kicked, I would want lots more set up time to make my car faster. We need to set the rule no matter what the numbers we aim to turn the heat around at a minimum of 45 minutes. This would mean we could cater for 40 drivers comfortably and get 4 rounds and 1 final in or 3 rounds and 2 finals.

The racing would need to start no later then 915am and would look like so

Round 1 915 - 1000
Round 2 1000 - 1045
Round 3 1045 - 1130
Round 4 1130 - 1215
Finals 1215 - 1300

No breaks but you would get about 30 - 35 mins between your race including your marshalling.

I beleive this is the way forward and would keep everyone to a degree happy. I always go with the majority.

I'm sure a regular all day meeting once per month would be welcome and embraced by all.

Now lets go racing Sunday and enjoy a slower paced meeting and I will help anyone who wants the support.

[Randall34]

Well said.

[simoncrabb]

Sounds good Steve! That sort of timetable for a half day meeting is spot on.

What will the weather be?

[mikeyscott]

Last time I look it was saying overcast with a light shower. Nothing to stop racing.

[mikeyscott]

Just showers forcasted at the moment, so no probs.

[mikeyscott]

Will we see any SVs this weekend at TORCH ?

[simoncrabb]

If I get it built :thumbsup:

[mikeyscott]

Not too bad :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/11?area=SO31

Maybe the 2WD will get a run.. I may just book into both and then make my mind up. Aka if the 2WD is rubbish fall back to 4WD!

[Crazy L]

Sorry guys :(

Will not be there tomorrow, and maybe not for while while I save to buy a new car:(

My girlfriend and I were in an accident last night, just us, but the A3s back end span out on a greasy roundabout and saw us career up the kirb and down a 30 foot embankment through some trees, backwards, no serious injuries, except for my girlfriend who is suffering whiplash. The car looks like a write off. So really don't know what to do except save for another:(

Hope to be back when I can:(

[mikeyscott]

Sorry guys :(

Will not be there tomorrow, and maybe not for while while I save to buy a new car:(

My girlfriend and I were in an accident last night, just us, but the A3s back end span out on a greasy roundabout and saw us career up the kirb and down a 30 foot embankment through some trees, backwards, no serious injuries, except for my girlfriend who is suffering whiplash. The car looks like a write off. So really don't know what to do except save for another:(

Hope to be back when I can:(

Hope you get things sorted and no lasting injuries.

[Crazy L]

Thanks mush

[Crazy L]

So......how did it go today?

[simoncrabb]

It was alright for a bit, and then it lashed it down!

Cougar's were ace, and the pub lunch wasn't that bad either, though they didn't serve me chips with my jacket spud.

[mikeyscott]

It was great and then it rained. Well worth the time anyway with the Cougar SV. We will be attempting another in a few weeks on the next BH. Will get some details together and an Oople post up in our section and events section

[bigred5765]

It was alright for a bit, and then it lashed it down!

Cougar's were ace, and the pub lunch wasn't that bad either, though they didn't serve me chips with my jacket spud.

haaa the good old runcorn mixed grill, mash spuds boiled spuds roast spuds potato waffles and chips on the side,:woot:

[Randall34]

Bit of a disappointment really, broke the XX4 in the first race, and went better in the rain than the dry with my X62.

Long way to go for 2.5 races. Lets hope you guys get some dry weather for the next few weekends.

I'm just bitter cos i won't be able to race for the next 4 weeks (which includes the 30th - next BH) due to my kids birthdays, party and my wedding anniversary.

Here's to a dry June.....................

[mikeyscott]

Bit of a disappointment really, broke the XX4 in the first race, and went better in the rain than the dry with my X62.

Long way to go for 2.5 races. Lets hope you guys get some dry weather for the next few weekends.

I'm just bitter cos i won't be able to race for the next 4 weeks (which includes the 30th - next BH) due to my kids birthdays, party and my wedding anniversary.

Here's to a dry June.....................

Have the party at the track ;)

[mikeyscott]

Many thanks guys for coming yesterday.

30th May will be the next all day meeting, which will be the bank holiday weekend again.

Dedicated post will be up this week.

Otherwise I'll see you lot in a couple of weeks as I'm not racing this weekend coming.