stronger nose cone, X-6

[xx4-nutter]

has anyone got one to sell ? who will be at batley regional next week end ?

Garry.

[super__dan]

Comtact Lesro models, they have had the new one in a while I believe!

[Chequered Flag Racing]

has anyone got one to sell ? who will be at batley regional next week end ?


should have mine fitted for the weekend & I may even have a spare with me ;)

[xx4-nutter]

righty hoe !,

shall have to come finda ya.. will be contacting lesro too shortly to order a few.. had a nasty snap at teeside the other week, ripped the full from end of my x-6 :D , snapped the nose cone in 3 pieces lol

[Chrislong]

The new one is far far far stronger, so don't go crazy - id recommend having 2, 1 for the car and 1 spare, but you are very unlikely to snap the new one.

Infact, please can everyone reading this take note. Id like to know who is the first person to manage to break one on the track, and pictures of the carnage (including what it hit, as thats likely to be broken too ;) ). :D

Chris

[Paul_Sinclair]

The new one is far far far stronger, so don't go crazy - id recommend having 2, 1 for the car and 1 spare, but you are very unlikely to snap the new one.

Infact, please can everyone reading this take note. Id like to know who is the first person to manage to break one on the track, and pictures of the carnage (including what it hit, as thats likely to be broken too ;) ). :D

Chris

Agreed! I'm still running my one from back in early May, that I slammed into a curb side full punched to see if it would break! I don't recommend doing that, but the new pieces are tough customers.

[Lee]

Do the stronger nose cones come with the new kits? or is it an aftermarket hop up

[Chrislong]

The new nose cones are now included with new kits, it is not a part upgrade, more a part supercede.

Regarding kits shipped over the last few weeks or so, there may have been a couple of kits slipped through the net and have old nose cones in, if this is the case then a simple email to Chazz and a new one will be sent out. Although asof from now, all is fine and this won't happen.

Chris

[Lee]

Cheers chris;)

Is it also worth getting the short camber link mod or is it possible to do it with the std kit and a bit of time?

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Cheers chris;)

Is it also worth getting the short camber link mod or is it possible to do it with the std kit and a bit of time?

Ran them @ Batley outdoors a week back but didn't run without to do back to back test so not to sure what the feel is with or without them.

New camber link mods are £12 from Lesro or you could make a pair. I paid as I couldn't spare the time to knock some up.

[Lee]

Is it just a piece of carbon with some extra holes?

I have never seen the mod, if anyone has a pic it would be appreciated;)

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Is it just a piece of carbon with some extra holes?

I have never seen the mod, if anyone has a pic it would be appreciated;)

Rear Camber Link Mod (http://www.xfactoryrc.com/storeESpeed.htm)

[Lee]

Thanks, that helps a lot

[Chequered Flag Racing]

these should help you even more :)

1st ones the prototype they tried and the other 2 are on my car

and check this out (http://www.one-ten-rcforums.com/2wdrc/viewtopic.php?id=258)

[Chrislong]

Cheers chris;)

Is it also worth getting the short camber link mod or is it possible to do it with the std kit and a bit of time?

No problem Lee,
The camber link brackets are definately worthwhile. They make the car pivot faster and then square up much better on corner exit. Initially Ellis advised they are best on high grip, but I have found them to be a big improvement on low grip aswell as high grip - in my opinion, a must have!

Chris

[jimarea51]

Lee,

I'm i to presume that you've purchased an x-6?;)

It's a good car, far easier to drive that the B4....

See ya soon

JIm

[Lee]

Placing the order tomorrow, just finding out whats hot and whats not.

[super__dan]

BK2 outer cvd axles are hot
Losi shocks with that setup i sent you are hot (oils and pistons and springs)
camber link hangers and alloy motor clamp are hot

Britich summer, not hot!

[super__dan]

Oh and moving the wing as far forward on the stock mounts is hot!!!

[Lee]

What does moving the wing forward do?

Thanks for the help;)

[super__dan]

Jumps much better that way. I run the rear wing with just a little vertical guerney. When you move it forward the front edge goes over the rear tower so you either need to remove a little for where the tips of the tower want to stick through like Ellis http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/southportnational2007/2wd/imagepages/NO5E1308.html , or cut out a section of the front wing like I do http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/southportnational2007/2wd/imagepages/NO5E1237.html

What speedo/motor you oing to run?

[Lee]

Well i was going to run my brushless, but it went puff on its 6th run:(

I will probably use my trusty nosram evo and the good old checkpoint 10x2

[Chrislong]

When the wing is back, the car wants to jump and dump its ass on the descent - like a shuttlecock. It generates so much downforce. Moving it forward makes it jump and land nice and flat.

Using B4 servo posts to hold servo down (as far back as possible) is hot.

Glueing up the servo saver is hot (even the strongest spring is too weak for the X-6).

Chris

[PaulRotheram]

hot :eh?:

[mattym0310]

lee sed he was tryin to find out wots hot, and wots not, so people are takin the whol ehot thing to the extreme :D

chris, using b4 servo posts, im guessin you gotts drill a hole in the chassis for them.. what does this actually help with?

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Placing the order tomorrow, just finding out whats hot and whats not.

these are well hot (http://www.oople.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26536&postcount=1) ;)

[Chrislong]

chris, using b4 servo posts, im guessin you gotts drill a hole in the chassis for them.. what does this actually help with?

Hey Matty,
When using a KO servo and the intended mounts, there is some dremel action required on the chassis otherwise it won't it.

With the B4 mounts the servo can be mounted about 3mm further back, and no dremel actual required - oh, except fot removing the raised section where the holes are for the original servo posts.

Yep, just got to drill and countersink the chassis, the servo will never come loose either (not that it did before tho) - bullet proof.

Chris

[mattym0310]

o right, sounds like a good plan, cos these losi style ones get on my nerves, lol. and yeh i no i had to dremel mine out, took a while to get right, but its finally done. thanks a lot :D

[super__dan]

Defo on the B4 posts, just 2 secs to trim off the raised section on the chassis.

Those carbon shims are certainly pretty warm ;)

[MikePimlott]

Any chance of a pic of your servo mounted B4 Stylie

[super__dan]

promised loads of people pics , must remember to borrow camera from work, Will be wednesday at earliest though!

[MikePimlott]

:( no pics Dan :(

[super__dan]

Already packed the allen driver s can't take the brace off the top of the servo but I'm sure you get the idea from this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/super__dan/IMG_0899.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/super__dan/IMG_0900.jpg

Some other pics of my car since I have the camera

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/super__dan/IMG_0894.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/super__dan/IMG_0895.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/super__dan/IMG_0896.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/super__dan/IMG_0897.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/super__dan/IMG_0898.jpg

[millzy]

you not runnig the Kinwald rear tower dan?

[super__dan]

Those were one off's made by Brian.

There is a new carbon fibre rear tower and associated new lower section in the pipeline but I've not got them yet.

[millzy]

i thought the b4 was brains tower or is that the xxx4 one?

not in the loop but noticed your car with a stock one and thought id ask

[Paul_Sinclair]

Running a CF rear tower on the back of an X - 6 has been done by quite a few people, mostly independant of each other. I know the first person I heard/saw doing it was a family member from SRS; the more we thought about his modification the more we realized it was an excellent idea. We started the design process on the new base and tower back in May, and the first production parts are very nearly done. In the meantime, a few other family members including Brian made up their own versions, utilizing lots of different parts and techniques. You should see the first prodcution-prototype parts on an X - 6 near you very soon.

[mattym0310]

You should see the first prodcution-prototype parts on an X - 6 near you very soon.

can't wait :)

[Lee]

Thanks boys your tips are HOT:D


I am just hoping i have a car to run at the f2`s next week

[Northy]

yg;iiligig

[SpeedyDad]

The B4 tower idea was mine. I'm proud to say it was the genesis of the design of the new X-Factory tower. I did it for a couple reasons. One was so I could have more tuning options. We (my son Alex is the racer) could run either a T4 tower which was equivalent to the X-6 tower with regard to upper shock hole positions, or the B4 tower which was narrower. Here is a pic of the B4 tower on Alex's X-6.

[/URL]http://homepage.mac.com/rv6a/Images/rc/B4tower.jpg (http://homepage.mac.com/rv6a/Images/rc/B4tower.jpg)

We then went to a carbon tower that was much narrower than even the B4 tower. Handling for our track got even better.

http://homepage.mac.com/rv6a/Images/rc/IMG_0260.jpg (http://homepage.mac.com/rv6a/Images/rc/IMG_0260.jpg)

The week we had it finished, we met up with Kinwald and found that the inner holes on his carbon tower were the same as ours. Great minds think alike, I guess. :D

Here is a progression of my tower widths. The top is the factory tower. Second down is the B4 tower, and third down is my new carbon tower.

[URL="http://homepage.mac.com/rv6a/Images/rc/IMG_0257.jpg"]http://homepage.mac.com/rv6a/Images/rc/IMG_0257.jpg (http://homepage.mac.com/rv6a/Images/rc/IMG_0257.jpg)

The difference in the stock tower vs the B4 tower is actually a little more than it looks in the pic.

It is fun playing with new designs and seeing how they work

Chris

[Lee]

I am very very impressed!!!:cool:

[super__dan]

First run this weekend then Lee, how did you do?

Any pics of your car?

[Lee]

I dont have any pics yet Dan.

I collected the car on friday night, stayed up till 3am building it, ran it in practice, made a few changes and was 12th in rd 1 i was well chuffed with it, but i seemed to get nailed in every run by backmarkers as i was in the bottom F2 heat:(, i got knocked out of the B in rd4 and ended up C1, and on the virtually undriveable back section of the track a drive shaft popped out in the final, but overall i was very happy with the car, its so much more consistant than the B4;)

[super__dan]

a drive shaft popped out in the final,

You'll be wanting the BK2 outer CVD axles then ;)

[MHeadling]

does any one have a part no for the Bk2 axles? are they a straight bolt on to the b4 drive shafts? or do you use the whole losi drive shaft??

[_sleigh_]

This is a Losi part no. rather than a MIP.

A9986 - CVD Rear Axle (.200 Offset)

Think they come as individual items, so you'll need two. They are a straight swap for the standard B4 axles you have.

[MHeadling]

thanks for that Sleigh, will get some on order!

[bigred5765]

if anyone has the bk2 cvd axles ill join the que please

[MHeadling]

i have asked that shop in watford well known for losi products, ( not sure if we can mention shop names! ) and they are going to have a look and get back to me, will let you know if i get some.

[mattym0310]

i no it's easier to get bk2 axles but you dont actually need them. i just space my b4 axles out with the axle spacers so they dont fall out.

[_sleigh_]

By spacing you std B4 axles, I assume you've moved the axle shim from the outside, to the inner??

If thats the case then you could well have changed the track width of the car. But more importantly your rear wheels could be binding on the rear hub and bearing.

Just have a double check...

The BK2 axles are the best way to go as they increase the driveshaft length by a good amount.

[bigred5765]

and unless you use a shock spacer inside the shock it still falls out. i tried it
better of just getting the right axles

[mattym0310]

By spacing you std B4 axles, I assume you've moved the axle shim from the outside, to the inner??


ive removed the big spacer between the hub and the drive pin, and put spacers on both sides. i have carefully done it so there are enough spacers so that the drive shaft easily stays in the outdrive even without any shock limiters and so that my wheels are not binding on the hub or bearing. i did this because i couldnt find bk2 axles after looking around alot, and have had no problems since so havnt bothered with getting the axles :)

[Lee]

First run this weekend then Lee, how did you do?

Any pics of your car?


Pic from the f345`s last weekend courtesy of JCJC http://picasaweb.google.com/MickJackson2007/2WDF3F4F5S/photo?authkey=28uTEZDR_Zw#5112337109949473522

i will get some topless shots later:D

[super__dan]

Nice paint Lee, looks good, still liking the car?

[Lee]

the car was really good once i stopped the driveshaft popping out. i got knocked out the a on fastest time in rd4 i was gutted but went on to win the b by 9 secs and a time which would of put me 3rd overall:confused:
It was just too easy to drive.
i also have a set of losi shocks to put on it but the AE ones seem pretty good at the moment.
But i am really struggling to find some Bk2 akles:rolleyes:

[AndyM]

wot sort of set up r you running lee, with the ae shocks??

cheers

[Lee]

pm sent

ill post it in the setup bit also

[Lee]

Here`s a few pics as promised,

Its just like any other X6 really without the bling.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/13952844@N04/?saved=1

[super__dan]

Looks ace Lee, who does your paint?

[Lee]

Tel does it now.
He is a star!!!

I used to get it done by a fella in thailand but he wont do buggies i gave tel a pic of one of my tourers and he has done an awesome job.
I need to get my bj4 in that colour scheme now.

[mattym0310]

has any1 heard any more updates on when the 4gear box is being released???

[super__dan]

has any1 heard any more updates on when the 4gear box is being released???

http://www.one-ten-rcforums.com/2wdrc/viewtopic.php?pid=1942#p1942

[Lee]

What does the 4 gear box do apart from turn the motor round?

[Big E]

We all have the 2nd generation proto's coming to us as we speak to thrash around the track, if all is good then they won't be long away.

They make the car just a lot easier to drive to be honest, certainly faster still but more that they are easier. Better when you very first get on the throttle and you can also get the car in a slide and hold it where as with the 3 gear you couldn't really do that.

E.

[mattym0310]

thanks for the link dan! and the info. ellis. im looking forward to them coming out, any idea on a UK price?? cos it says $49 but converting it to £sterling is never wot shops sell them for. sorry for all the questions, lol. :D

[Lee]

Matty, i would say were looking at 40 - 50 quid.

Thanks for the info Ellis, i couldn`t imagine this car being easier to drive, its like its on rails as it is;)

I find the front end is super acurate and precise and the rear end just follows, its ace!!!:D

[mattym0310]

lee, yeh thts wot i guessed. your car looks great btw. you gna bling it up?? or leave it as is? i think ill buy the shock tower and gear box just to keep mine upto date although im sure it really needs it, it would be good to have. £40-50 sounds quite a lot tho :wtf:

[Lee]

Im waiting for the rear camber link hangers, i have the motor brace somewhere.
I think the 4 speed box will be beneficial after reading up on it. I really need some bk2 axles though at the moment.

[mattym0310]

i dont have them! ive lasted ever since i got my car, without them. as written above [somewhere :D] i just space them. but i spose they cud make things easier.

[Lee]

I built up a set of losi shocks before and i needed 16mm of spacers in each rear shock to stop the shafts falling out:o

I still have plenty of droop and the same amount of travel as an ae shock so im sure it will be fine.

[bigred5765]

we just got our rear hangers and gearbox mount, but haven't had time to test em out yet,how the hell can it get any better Matty is just simply loving his new car, if all these upgrades add tenths of a second we will be chancing down 4wd cars,its so easy to drive.

[MikePimlott]

Ive ran the rear camber extenders from the start and car has been planted. I too am waiting for the 4 gear, gearbox to see if traction improves as suggested. Other than that X6 is "the best"

[bigred5765]

cant say we have had any probs with traction grip or drive, the only difference we run the b4 shock, but cant see them making much a difference,the car is just planted

[MikePimlott]

Your right mate car is ace. I couldnt beleive the difference from CR / B4 for myself

[super__dan]

If you have a pillar drill and a vice or heavy clamp you can re-drill you current axles 2mm further out, do the hole at 90 deg to existing one. It's really worth doing this to get more droop (for outdoors) especially if you're running Losi shocks else half the advantage of running the Losi shocks is lost by having to limit them so much.

I've not ran my X6 in anger for ages now, think interclub is next likely meeting too.

[Lee]

If you have a pillar drill and a vice or heavy clamp you can re-drill you current axles 2mm further out, do the hole at 90 deg to existing one. It's really worth doing this to get more droop (for outdoors) especially if you're running Losi shocks else half the advantage of running the Losi shocks is lost by having to limit them so much.

I've not ran my X6 in anger for ages now, think interclub is next likely meeting too.

I will be doing this today, thanks dan

[Lee]

Dan, when you run the extra droop dont you find that the car rolls around a lot ?

[Northy]

It wollows around like a fat whore anyway Lee :D I think thats one of the things that makes it easy to drive, it does everything quite slowly.

[Lee]

my car felt like it cornered very flat but still very easy to drive, the back end didnt seem to collapse like on other 2wd`s i have driven, which is nice.

[bigred5765]

agreed lee,you saw ours going at coventry, cant say it wollowed or rolled at the back end but we have got rid of mosty of the droop, buy inseting 4mm of spacers inside the shocks

[Chrislong]

i dont have them! ive lasted ever since i got my car, without them. as written above [somewhere :D] i just space them. but i spose they cud make things easier.

Somebody has already mentioned to you, by doing what you have done does do as you want with the driveshaft and droop..... but you have made the rear of your car narrow, which isn't adviseable.

Matty, if you can redrill your axles, that will work, or put BK2 axles on, the car needs its width. ;)

[Lee]

I drilled mine yesterday, its ace!!:D

Chris/dan/E, do you think you are slowing the car down by giving the car masses of droop and allowing the rear end to roll so much?
Im sure you boys have done testing with the droop but the car seems to have a HUGE amount of droop now? My point is, is it not better for the car to sit flatter during cornering and braking?

[bigred5765]

we removed a lot of the droop in our car and to us it seems easier to drive,i would say the droop helps on big air jumps,so no real need for loads in the UK, but what do i know

[super__dan]

I drilled mine yesterday, its ace!!:D

Chris/dan/E, do you think you are slowing the car down by giving the car masses of droop and allowing the rear end to roll so much?
Im sure you boys have done testing with the droop but the car seems to have a HUGE amount of droop now? My point is, is it not better for the car to sit flatter during cornering and braking?

From a theoretical point of view I see where you're going Lee, but I just don't feel it on track. What I do feel is that it rides over bumps, especially in traction zones much better. You're also never going to risk lifting the inside rear wheel going into the corner.

As I reply I am thinking mainly of cutting up grass track and just generally bumpy tracks here. On flat tracks you might well be right and indoors perhaps this is something I'll go back to playing with, but it's fair to say for the majority of outdoor tracks, extra droop that you get with stock AE shocks and stock axles is much better

I should add I much prefered the extra droop on a B4 though, I used to undo the bottom of the shocks 2 turns for more rear droop.

[Lee]

Cheers Dan,

I will definatley give it a try back to back, but like you say theory is ok but first hand experience is what counts. If it works it works.

Has anyone tried the losi rear hubs on the X6, this is something i was thinking about?

[Chrislong]

Hey Lee,
Me and Dan did a lot of running of the X-6 at Bury especially at the first stages of getting the car. We found with the shock limited that going down the fast straights the wheels were leaving the ground, made the car quite "on edge" in a straight line.

Then taking out the limiters and putting those tiny shims on the inside of the axle ment it rode the bumps far better, but then we both suffered with driveshafts coming out of outdrive - not regular, but just doing it once would chip the outdrive where it mattered.

Putting Losi shocks on means can get more droop, can always limit it, but ive never felt any need to reduce it.

Running BK2 or drilled axles means the bone is further in the outdrive, and i feel that even if no more droop is required, this can only be a good thing if it means you won't fail to finish any runs you start due to bone falling out of diff.... and its never happened again to me since changing to BK2 axles.

Chris

[Big E]

As the others say, the car is better on the majority of our tracks with the extra droop.

Perhaps on flat tracks less would be better but I don't honestly feel the rear rolls too much and I can put up with a little roll if it means better on the bumps.

[Lee]

furry muff, sounds good boys;)

[MHeadling]

Just to let you know, i have got the losi bk2 axles from Horizon uk through the Watford model shop well known for Losi parts ;) they only took about 2 weeks and that was getting them from the states, and £6.99 each so not too bad! Have not fitted them yet, do they just bolt straight in?? or do they need modifying?

[MikePimlott]

With the big spacers on the inside of the hub they kind of just replace the AE ones,like for like

[MHeadling]

Just put on losi bk2 rear axles, it seems that they need 2 x drive shaft ( silver 4mm wide ) per side to get the wheel pin sitting flush with bearing. Is this normal?? are these spacers an x factory part? i had a look in associated b4 manual and it seems the only spacer is the bearing spacer that goes in the hub.
Does any one have 2 x spacers? or is it an associated part? or will lesro have them??

[MHeadling]

edited post! have a few questions above, help!:confused:

[super__dan]

Mark have you read Chris write up here? http://www.2wdrc.com/tech_bk2_axles.html

You're right you do need spacers, xx4 front bearing spacers are exactly the right width, don't think they are as thick as 4mm, more like 2.5? It's basically making up the difference in the difference between where the roll pin is drilled relativly between the B4 axle and BK2 axle.

[MHeadling]

No Dan, I have not read that, will have a look now, thanks for the info, will get some of the spacers on order!

[MHeadling]

just had a look on microtechs website, last page on xx4 spares, is it a9941 i need? losi know how to charge for these odd little bits!:)

[super__dan]

Agreed, rediculous prices really, though their bearings really take the biscuit, diff bearings are scandalous.

You can shim it with whatever though.

[MHeadling]

ok thanks again Dan, will get them on order in the morning. cheers for all the help!