General WRCA / AGM thoughts...

[blue_pinky]

So, the thread about pricing has brought up a number of other good discussions. I thought maybe we could have a thread for more general discussion, and leave the pricing thread for pricing!

From what I've seen the WRCA region suffers from a lack of people/turnout, both in terms of organising and racing. We seem to have a few more people being vocal on the electric side at the moment, so maybe we should see what ideas everyone has?

Up to now the lower numbers have meant that the nitro and electric sections are both being run by a small group of people who have taken their own time try and do the best they can for both.

Those people have mostly come from the more popular nitro side, so naturally, some decisions have been made to better suit the more supported class, which I can totally understand!

For a time this has been a benefit to both sections on a number of levels, as we have at least had events and races and reasonable turnout's in total, but the trade off has been the inevitable compromises that are made by both classes to accomodate it...event schedules, race costs, marshalling, etc, etc.

It seems to me that with electric interest possibly rising a little this year, or at least a few more people having opinions that they are willing to voice that maybe the time has come to think about voicing them properly (via AGM!?!) and trying to remove those compromises the best we can.

With the nature of the tracks/facilities we have available in the region, the link between nitro and electric has to be there on some level though.

Without the nitro tracks we have in the area, the electric series could look more like a club series, so we still need their support! Am I right in thinking the only completely non nitro track in the series this year is Caldicot? And that's not even a permenant facility. I know Cobra could be another, but I don't know of any others?

So, after all this waffle...

Who is the Electric offroad head on the WRCA currently? It was Craig in 2009, but it's not this year as far I know?!?! I guess that's the person we should talk to about this stuff ultimately!

[blue_pinky]

So...

What about the possiblily of running nitro and electric on separate days? I think it might help with the logistics of noise curfew's and everyones expectations of a race day schedule, both on the nitro and electric front?

I don't think we need full national standard rules, with scrutineering, tx compounds, electrics rules, etc. Our turnout is too small and consequently the racing is not as close as the bigger regions. If it was bigger and we had more equally skilled drivers challenging for points it would be more important, but right now, I think we just need to keep the racing as open and accessible as we can and encourage as many people as we can to join in, but take on board the important safety aspects that we need.

I do think we should make sure each race day is run to good time, and to a consistent race format at every event. Maybe we could try and agree and provide a race schedule for all the clubs to try and adhere to, so we all get to know the format. Hopefully all the venues are able to support that?

At the first 2 rounds, although the clubs did their best at the time, and we have essentially run to a consistent format which has been ok, it's felt a little adhoc at times. A little more structure to that could help everyone, clubs included.

I also like Craigs idea on the other thread about running a separate electric meeting at the AGM, and then something combined to agree the calender for the year and anything else that is common ground. If it promoted a better AGM turnout for the good of the electric races the that must be a good thing!

At the end of the day it should all be about making the racing competitive, safe and most of all fun, lets make sure eveything we do has that as the goal!

Right I'll stop now!

[Dyna]

Some good points there Andy. I agree that doing Nitro/Electric together this year is a compromise, but tbh we electrics have to admit it wouldve been silly doing them on our own as the turnout isnt there... at the moment that is. What did we have at GNR ? 13 or so in 2wd ? less in 4wd ? As im sure we are all away money is important for clubs, atm it looks for 2010 it really is the only way with the present numbers.

On the other hand, ive literally just got back from an absolutely belting days racing at COBRA. 18 or 19 2wd drivers. A dozen or so 4wds. The meeting ran smoothly from the off. Booking in was quick and easy. Track was great. The PA was clear and you could hear it right at the end of the pits. The rounds ran absolutely on the dot when they were meant to. Results were posted immediately after the round. There were constant friendly reminders on the PA for marshalling and volunteer marshals for finals. No confusion at all. It ended pretty much when it was meant to. Driving standards were mostly good. I have to say, it has been my most enjoyable days racing this year. All for 5 quid !!! The best 2010 Regional meeting that wasnt... :lol:

My main point is, if COBRA can do it for a club day, why the hell cant we do that for all the Regionals ?? The COBRA entry today for electric was more than the GNR Regional. Now is this something to do with the fact that there were no Nitros or people just dont like doing Regionals...or they dont like paying a tenner when they can get a better days racing at a club for half the cost ?

My other thoughts were that we need to make the WRCA website more of a HUB for the WRCA clubs, update it a bit more often, get the forums going and us all actually USE it for the purpose its there for - a one-stop site for all the Welsh clubs rather than o0ple here, UK Micro there, COBRA there etc etc We as electric clubs and a Region, are far too splintered atm. We need to work together a wee bit more i think... And i mean Nitro as well.

Thread like this are good. I think once the date of the AGM is announced, we go back over these threads, take the best points and talk about them at the AGM and try to start moving forward again. I for one want to see the Welsh Region become a little more of a force than it is now... get more kids involved especially as without them we are going to struggle in the coming years.

There, thats a few more things to talk about :lol:

[DCM]

Thank you for your kind words from todays COBRA race day, we do try our hardest to keep it reasonably relaxed but to also get the racing in, it isn't easy, we do have to work at it, but I think it shows, that if you provide good fun racing, at a reasonable cost, people are more than willing to turn up, pay, and have fun. And a regional should be that, but on a larger scale, it is do-able.

Maybe the WRCA should have a word with Balders, and have a portal based website, so it isn't reliant on one person to keep the site up to date, clubs could contribute to.

[ant west 71]

COBRA, COBRA, COBRA. for a good days racing get yourself to cobra every sunday. very relaxed fun day. keep it up guys.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Jamie.T]

I really do agree with Steve in his post above. A new and improved WRCA website with up-to-date information would help massively along with a newer forum. There is nothing wrong with posting on oOple but not everybody goes on here, and the first place to look for info about the WRCA site should surely be its own webiste.

Recently i missed the first round of the WRCA series because the date wasn't on the WRCA website. I know it was on oOple, and i am a regualr member on here, but i went on to the WRCA site because i presumed that's where id find the official dates.

I now work from home as a web developer, and am hereby offering my services free of charge to aid in any way possible to a newer WRCA website to be constructed. I am doing this because i think in Wales we have the opportunity to have a great regional section. We have great clubs, and a lot of excellent active racers, just need to bring it all together.

I will try and attend the WRCA agm this year and help contribute further. But if the current WRCA webmaster wishes for me to aid in the website development, please p.m me.

Jamie........

[axeman]

Have Cobra paid there WRCA affiliation yet ?? and cleared there arrears from last year???

[Roy]

Have Cobra paid there WRCA affiliation yet ?? and cleared there arrears from last year???

Surely as the "WRCA Racing God" you would know :p

If not I'm sure the WRCA Treasurer will be in contact with the Club

[DCM]

Nope, they have been informed... once or twice..

[peetbee]

One thing we've got to ask is what do the clubs need in terms of entries to make hosting a round viable? If one of the ideas is for nitro & electric to have seperate rounds, then would clubs want to host 2 WRCA events a year, even if the number of drivers were down on numbers from combined meetings?

This is bound to have an impact on the entry fees, race day formats & any other ideas we have for improving the WRCA events.

And just to give some ideas of numbers, I've done some rough calcs based on the results from the WRCA website, for the 1st 2 rounds this season.
64 different drivers took part in the 1st 2 rounds (with a fairly even split between electic and nitro). 14 of those drivers entered two classes, of which 9 did two electric classes, 3 did two nitro classes and 2 did one nitro and one electric class

In terms of Welsh clubs and the classes that they as a club run outdoors, I believe that the following list is correct:
Caldicot - 1/10 Electric only
Cobra - 1/10 Electric only
GNR - 1/8 nitro & 1/10 Electric
Talywain - 1/8 nitro only
Swansea - 1/8 nitro & 1/10 Electric
Saundersfoot - 1/8 nitro & 1/10 electric
Midwalesnitro - not holding a round but website says 1/8 nitro & 10 electric?
Carmarthen - no longer racing?
Any others???

With the website wouldn't the WRCA have a space on the new BRCA site? In terms of forum, this WRCA section on oOple has had more posts in the last day than the WRCA forum has had in a year!
In the interim why not decommision the WRCA forum and have the website direct people here?

We could add some stickies at the top for club info (with links to club sites), a link back to the WRCA site, regional info, etc.
Apologies for my ramblings! :woot:

[minimatto]

I totally agree about the website, so anyone who wishes to take control of it pm me and I will send you the server details and password.

Save me doing it.:thumbsup:

[blue_pinky]

Balders and myself have on more than one occasion thought we'd like to help out with the website as well, Balders is a web developer, I do graphic design, and we've talked about putting together a joomla type content managed site so that more people are able to manage it, helping to take the load off just one person!

Maybe between a few of us we can sort it out!

Jamie, are you coming down to the Caldicot round? Maybe the 3 of us and Matt can all have a chat about it then?

[DCM]

Funnily, I pm'd Balders about that very subject earlier. Ideally, a portal with a forum feeding the portal would be the easiest, as once the site is set up, then it is only maintenance, the actual 'info' can be posted by the clubs and committee?

[Balders]

No problems, I have been busy pm'ing people already so will get a little team together of a few of us and come up with a few ideas around the site before putting them to popular vote.

:)

[madcrazybonkers]

A new website is the way to go with more info for new comers or people returning after a long time away.

Had a little thought with all the chat about entry costs and run time, well have a read and see what everyone thinks good or bad.

5 min heats has been the norm since way before i started racing electric with small mah batts compared to what is being used today and still only running 5 min heats.
So what im thinking is with lipo's why not make it 7 min heats and 10 min finals or run as the nationals 3 leg finals as mentioned in another post.
But i like the thought of longer heats as 5 mins goes to quick lol who knows longer heats mite catch on.

[DCM]

currently, with the low numbers, we could increase heat timing, as runng 360s + 2mins split we are nowhere near the hour minimum you need per round, although I am not entirely convinced with the 3 leg finals, unless you mean everyone, but we don't have the time.

[dorris]

So what im thinking is with lipo's why not make it 7 min heatsI have tried 7 min heats but it threw up a few problems. The established racers with newish gear and LiPo cells had no problems but it was the newbies and juniors that struggled to make the time. We would start with 7 or 8 drivers at the start of the heat but by 7 mins there would only be 2 or 3 left.

10 min finals or run as the nationals 3 leg finals as mentioned in another post.There are time constraints and battery charging that could make this difficult to achieve as well.

In theory it is a great idea but in practice I feel there would be a number of problems.

[Dyna]

I agree that the longer heat times might be an issue with batteries & charging and possibly over heating on a hot day - it would be interesting to see what people thought of it who attended the o0ple race where i think they they ran longer heats ( Craig, Griff & Dave i know attended ) but at least one region are doing 3 leg finals in their regionals as i said in another post - Scotland for example.

If the electrics were to run seperately from Nitros in the future i think that would be an excellent justification for a £10.00 entry and give the meeting a 'bigger' feel. :)

[peetbee]

I believe that the date has been set for the AGM now - 7th November down in Swansea.
AGM in the morning with racing in the afternoon!

[axeman]

Put me and Reg down!!!!

[dorris]

AGM in the morning with racing in the afternoon!Been there, done that..... waste of time!!!

You might get some extra attendance because of the racing..... but it is the racing that always take precedence and the meeting will be over in an hour with eff all of any use decided for anyone.

If that is the planned format... I shall go fishing. The WRCA regularly falls foul of poorly considered decisions hustled through voting by very interested minorities.... it will be even worse when everyone's eyes are on racing.

Everyone reading this will have been to the 'work party then racing' event... what happens????

One to two hours of half-hearted or half an hour of frantic poorly performed work followed by a nearly full day of racing.... is this true or is this true!!!

So where is the sense in trying to hold a Region AGM in the same format.:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[Jamie.T]

Andy (Dorris) is 100% right, the WRCA has seen many issues this season with a lot of arguments as a consequence. The agm should NOT be on the morning of a race meeting as decisions will be quickly passes to continue with the days racing.

Please can the WRCA re-consider this decision and possibly move the agm to an outside venue one evening, otherwise we may as well do what Andy's doing, and go fishing.

[DCM]

I shall post details of the AGM and how to make proposals later today, on behalf of the Chairman.

[big dave]

The reason, the WRCA AGM is on a race day. Is because when they hold it on a week night, they have a very small turn out, as x ammount can't make it that night, some work, some are not alloud out after dark etc.
so the thought was to hold it in the middle of the m4 corridor on a sunday where the majority of the WRCA members can make it.

The WRCA have the day at Swansea. Its up to them if they want to run racing, they can play badmington if they want. the WRCA can hold the meeting untill 5pm if they want. Basically the hall is there's for the day.

[dorris]

when they hold it on a week night, they have a very small turn out....and if they hold it on a race day with no racing.... they will have a very small turnout as well!!! ....because everyone will be racing elsewhere.

If there is racing then all eyes will be on that and not on an important meeting.

The issue is that for every 10 racers only one or two are actually bothered with anything other than racing their car..... anything pertaining to organisational work passes over most racers heads at 40,000 feet.

Perhaps affiliation to the WRCA be conditional on the executive committee of every member club (ie chairman, secretary and treasurer) attending the AGM. There are many various federations and associations who hold this as fundamental to affiliation.

Those who come out of the woodwork to start moaning and complaining about something or other usually couldn't be bothered when the issues were originally being discussed but as soon as they realise that the decision directly impacts on their racing then they want something done!!!

It seems to me that the whole structure and organisation of the WRCA needs updating as does the way the affiliation structure works... but I doubt whether that will happen because one 'respected long time member' will object and the whole idea will get dumped and the bad old ways will continue.

[DCM]

It seems to me that the whole structure and organisation of the WRCA needs updating as does the way the affiliation structure works... but I doubt whether that will happen because one 'respected long time member' will object and the whole idea will get dumped and the bad old ways will continue.

Thats a very bold and sweeping statement to be made!

The WRCA can't please everyone can we, if we hold it on a week night, people moan, we hold it on a race day, people complain, tell you what, we run it as a dictatorship, then at least there will be a 100% solidarity, as EVERYONE will hate it then!

[big dave]

i might be missing something here. but if everyone turns up at 9am, they bring a chair into the hall they sit down, and for the following hour or so there is an AGM. An AGM will have an agender so it can only finish, when everything has been delt with. so how can the racing affect this. As the racing would be after the AGM is finished. If we start the meeting at 9.30am we would be booked in and ready for round 1 by 12.30pm so we have 3 and half hours of racing and we also get a good turn out to the AGM. even if there is a subject that takes longer to settle, then the times will change, I wouldn't expect it to be practice, 3 heats and 2 finals. more like 2 heats and a final. Surly it beats, turning up at 7pm in the evening after you have rushed from work, getting to a venue, hungry as you get no time for tea, start late as some are stuck in traffic etc, then less than 20 members from over 150 turn up, get the meeting done, get home by mid night. then read or hear moans and complaints over the next 12 months as some members couldn't make it, and they don't agree with changes etc.

[DCM]

Spot on Big Dave :thumbsup:

[hywel]

well said Dave that was the idea behind it but it seems that some people have missed that perhaps we should all go fishing[lol]instead

[peetbee]

What's your problem Dorris? surely it's the members fault if they choose not to get involved then they have to accept the decisions made in their absence. (and make sure they attend the next year!)

An interesting idea that every executive committee member should attend, now what are the chances of all 18+ people being able to make it on the same day, and are you saying that 'normal' members then shouldn't attend as they are represented by their club?

PS Sorry but we've all got lives and they don't all revolve around racing!

I also can't work out how 1 member can outvote all the others there. I thought all the decisions were made based on the majority vote system.

I thought that giving as much notice as possible would ensure that you got the best turnout, apologies if I was a little naive there.

And no I'm not on the WRCA committee in any official capacity.

[peetbee]

Come on everyone get your proposals in, or are you happy for everythign to continue as is?

[millzy]

is it still gay 3 qualifying 2 finals for indoors still in place.

if that rule is still there id like it dropped with the new winter indoor championship starting and the tcs not running I don’t see the point

a rostrum height rule put in place so you are stood more than 2ft off the floor

I cant remember if there is a rule in place for track width indoors, I know micros race but really it still needs to be wide enough for the 10ths to get around.. and this should also be infoced with the outdoors.

Round by round should be enforced, you will never get the young f3s and f2s ready for the big regional’s and nationals by having them race FTd .


i cant think off anything else not getting into Tyre war

[peetbee]

No idea about indoor rules - but I'd prefer 4 rounds and a final

With rostrum height I reckon you'd need to propose a minimum as a start point, it could then be debated at the AGM.

Again no idea of track width rules indoors, agree with it in principle, what do other regions do?

FTD v RBR - I can see your point, but I thought the reason for RBR was to make it fairer should track conditions detiorate/improve - in theory not so much of an issue indoors. I'm happy with either.


As was mentioned earlier in this topic, what are the committee positions and who's currently filling them?
Should there be Electric offroad rep, Nitro rep, TC rep, Micro, etc, etc?? And who'd be willing to fill those positions?

I may be wrong but think it's: Chairman (H), Secretary (Steve C-R), Treasurer (Paul Knight?) & Website/Results gatherer (Matt)

[DCM]

Got to remember that it isn't just indoors that you guys got to think about.

How much do you guys want to pay for your days racing for starter.

Club affiliation?

Sections within the WRCA

Multi class meetings?

Track condition/design/length/features etc.

Then when you thought about it, are these proposals then acheivable, there is no point proposing a rule that only one club can achieve etc.

[millzy]

Steve

Fully with you on that the rules should consider the club

Personally I don’t care about price or tyre gate

I have a few things id like to amend or put forward, I have notice a slight clash on rules that I feel should be delt with before the indoor championship starts

Micro rule on track width and brca class for a start, personally I think an agreed track width between the two needs to be made around 2.2 min width

[peetbee]

How much do you guys want to pay for your days racing for starter.
Club affiliation?
Sections within the WRCA
Multi class meetings?
Track condition/design/length/features etc.


I think people need to know for definite what the current situation is on these things before they should propose any changes. Can these sort of details be posted somewhere? (not on this topic)

[millzy]

wrca webstie with all the rules would be nice

[blue_pinky]

2m min track width rule would be lovely...that's how wide carpet is isn't it? And how wide we lay ours at Caldicot...if it went any wider we'd struggle with layout and track building options in our small hall...then there would only be 2 indoor venues in wales!!! :thumbsup:

And I agree...seeing the current rules would be handy to anyone proposing changes ;-)

[millzy]

2.4 the brca says it should be for anything but nationals

it dosnt have to be the carpet thats 2.4 remeber just the lane width, nothing wrong with putting down a 2mter line of carpet and have 0.4 meters of polished floor off line.

[peetbee]

wrca webstie with all the rules would be nice
You propose it and I'll 2nd it!

[blue_pinky]

it dosnt have to be the carpet thats 2.4 remeber just the lane width, nothing wrong with putting down a 2mter line of carpet and have 0.4 meters of polished floor off line.

That's true, but I'd be a little concerned by how much more of our floor that track width would eat up...it'd shorten our already short tracks a fair bit.

Our hall is basically 12m wide, which gives us 6 track widths across it if we need it. At 2.2 we'd loose 1 track width...which would be doable, for sure, but we already have laptimes around the 11-12 seconds mark on our simple layouts! I reckon we could take another second or two of those at that track width....which might be fine...but you see what I mean?!

I do agree though that a little more track width is better for 1/10ths at a regional level...it's just that we'd struggle a little with it at Caldi :(

[millzy]

With all the "love" threads started over the way the WRCA is run i would have thought the Steve would have been drowned in AGM proposals.

Yet reading his post in another thread there has only been one email sent- just one

If there is nothing new proposed at the AGM the WRCA will stay how it is, price , tyres, venues the lot. Dont start bithcing if you cant be bothered to Email your ideas in

[DCM]

don't forget, they need a seconder as well.

[peetbee]

As was mentioned earlier in this topic, what are the committee positions and who's currently filling them?
Should there be Electric offroad rep, Nitro rep, TC rep, Micro, etc, etc?? And who'd be willing to fill those positions?

I may be wrong but think it's: Chairman (H), Secretary (Steve C-R), Treasurer (Paul Knight?) & Website/Results gatherer (Matt)

DCM, can you elaborate on this and whether there are any other positions currently unfilled?

[DCM]

All positions are filled currently, thats Chairman(H), Treasurer(Paul), Secretary(me), PRO(Matt). But as with every AGM, these positions are up for renewal at each AGM.

There was no support at the last AGM for nitro or electric sections, so no 'heads' were appointed. What sections do you guys want, would it be simpler to place a nitro and electric section, do we need micro, tc, off-road, 8th nitro, electric etc. But currently only one set of proposals have been sent (and not been done correctly, no seconder).

Considering how much 'negativity' there was this year about a lot of things, I am surprised at the lack of emails received.

[millzy]

I always thought it was seconded if it was put in place not if it was proposed

[millzy]

as for the heads

I thought there where heads of nitro and 10th?? wasn’t it Craig 10th off road and Bob Williams nitro??

Personally i think there needs to be a head of each class that’s taking part in a regional championship, it would help the chairman with any future plans for the regional championships by having heads to discus the direction they want to take the class into

the heads would be able to discus with the drivers of theIR class any issues or amendments that need to be put in place or that have been suggested and then relayed back to the chairman in time for the next AGM.


I also feel a selected head should be a member of the WRCA who is able to keep in contact with the drivers of their given class attend most regional meetings of that class and has full knowledge of their class

[DCM]

They really have to be at the AGM to be a section head, get nominated etc.

No, proposals must be accompanied by someone willing to second it.

[millzy]

I will get my email re sent once i have a second on them all

would it be a good idea to post them online and people can pm if they would like to second any on the list??

[DCM]

you can post your ideas, but it will only be accepted via email mate.

[peetbee]

the advantages of posting them will be to gauge support and to refine them prior to submission.

the disadvantage of posting them will be the hissy fits from people who disgree strongly to your ideas!!

[millzy]

yes i know they will only be accepted if emailed in

and yes i know there will be hissy fit, there allways will

[GRIFF55]

i think its a good idea to gauge thoughts/ideas

[millzy]

**Amendment of rule for indoor winter championship

Giving that Off road/Micros will no longer race with TC indoors the current formula of 3 round Qualifying 2 finals should be dropped and changed back to 4 rounds of Qualifying and 1 final-

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**3 leg a finals where total entries enable charging and marshalling without delays to the timetable

as it says really


The BRCA has the following rule in place under

section 15. RACE PROCEDURES
GENERAL

15.31 All ‘A’ finals will run over three legs with the best results of two of the three legs to count. In terms of
penalties incurred, each leg of the A Final is considered to be a separate race.


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**Proposal height minimum for Rostrum for indoor championship to 1.5meters min

WRCA to enforce and have in place a minimum height on all rostrums for indoor and outdoor WRCA regional championships , a minimum height that is feasible for all clubs should be taken into account this will then allow for any clubs who do not have the clearance for height rostrums indoors backing and clear guidelines from the WRCA

take into account for disabled access to and from Rostrum with out height interfering with track visibility

The BRCA Micro section has the flowing rule in place


6. Track and Venue Specifications.

6.6. The rostrum must be positioned to minimise the risk of people obstructing the drivers view. The
distance from the rostrum to the edge of the track is to be 2m. The minimum length of the rostrum
must be 7.3 (24ft) metres between 0.75m (min) and 2.1m (max) high, and of a suitable width.
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**Proposal for FTD qualifying to be dropped and Round by Round to be the only method of qualifying both indoors and out door regional’s

This will bring the WRCA inline with all regional’s as well as the National championship, many racers struggle at there first BRCA 10th off meeting as they do not understand the qualifying system, This will also tie in both Micro and 10th off road at the indoor championship.

Taking into account clubs must also have there lap timing and qualifying systems set up for round by round

The BRCA stats round by round as the following under section 15. RACE PROCEDURES
GENERAL
.
15.25 The Round by Round qualifying method awards points for each competitor’s position in each qualifying round
individually. Highest qualifying position in each Round will score zero (0) points, second place will score two
(2) points, third place three (3) points and so on. (Regional events can amend this points system subject to
software compatibility). Weather/external circumstances may prevent all scheduled qualifying rounds being
completed, therefore points from each driver’s best qualifying rounds are added together to determine a final
qualifying position as follows :-
4 Rounds completed - Best 2 to count.
3 Rounds completed - Best 2 to count.
2 Rounds completed - Single best Round to count.
All other qualifying round scores will be discarded. Each Round has to be completed for any points to be
awarded. If two or more drivers achieve the same time in any Round, the same points will be awarded to
each driver and the next driver not tying will received points relative to his position in the Round. In the event
of a tie when the points from the ‘counting’ Rounds are totalled, the driver with the single best points within
the rounds that counted will be awarded the tie. If this comparison fails to break the tie then the laps and
times from the ‘tying drivers’ highest finishing positions will be compared. The driver with the fastest lap and
time total will be awarded the tie. In the case of a continuing tie then the second best scores will be
compared. In the unlikely event of a continuing tie at this point, the lap times from the heat that gave the
highest finishing


The BRCA Micro have the flowing rule in place


section 7. Racing Procedures

7.6.
Qualifying will consist of 4 rounds of qualifying heats. Points will be awarded for each round.
Tied positions within a round will receive equal points. The points for subsequent positions will be
displaced by the number of tied drivers involved. A driver's best 2 scores will be added together to
give a qualifying position. Ties will be eliminated firstly by using discard points and secondly, by use
of the fastest overall time.
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**Proposal for track width for indoor championship./Amendment of current track width to 2.2 meters wide

As there is a slight clash with regards to the two rules, sugestion would be a middle ground for both classes

under section14. THE TRACK of the BRCA 10th off road handbook the following rule is in place
14.6 At Sanctioned events, other than Nationals, tracks must be a minimum of 2.4 metres wide.

under section 6. Track and Venue Specifications of the BRCA micro rules
6.3. Minimum track width is 2m and where the venue is not permanent the track must consist of at

Giving that the indoor championship will Mix Off road 10th and Micros it would be in the WRCA best interest to set a minimum track width for the indoor championship that will allow both scales to race with out compromise

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**WRCA to set minimum and maximum overall track length for regional electric outdoor meetings of 125 meters - 150meters overall

This will keep the size of regional tracks for the 10th electric to a constant level with out compromising the class.

At nitro and electric meetings the this will give clubs backing and clear guidelines to design layouts for both scales and classes.
At eclectic only meetings this will eliminate the issues with small grounds being used to host regional meetings

Many clubs now have large facilities that they are happy for other clubs to use for regional events, club not able to meet these rule will not be given a regional meeting

under section14. THE TRACK of the BRCA handbook the following rule is in place- there is only a minimum rule set in place for National meetings

14.5 At all National format events outdoors, tracks will be a minimum of 3 metres wide and minimum 130
metres in length.
14.6 At Sanctioned events, other than Nationals, tracks must be a minimum of 2.4 metres wide.
14.7 The straight for starting finals, will be a minimum of 20 metres long, with no obstructions, including any
form of jump, sudden rise or fall.

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[Belsten]

Totally 100% agree with 4 rounds of quali and it should deffo be round by round, FTD had its day almost 10 years ago
3 leg A's would be awesome if viable with timings, if not, 6 or 7 minute A's ?

Rostrum height & track length, sound ideas in principle although if existing venues are unable to facilitate this requiremet, I do not feel they should be excluded as venues in wales are few and far between nowadays. Venues that have the space & existing equipment then it just makes sense

Steve, email will be sent soon :thumbsup:

[DCM]

I can confirm that 6min heats and finals when run at COBRA didn't overwork the electrics and were good fun!

[hywel]

we do have a vice chairman too his name is Simon Lewis Lewie to most of you:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

[blue_pinky]

So my thoughts..

1) Track width, I'd be interested to hear what Cobra and Swansea do at their club meetings, do they run anything wider than 2m? I know at Caldicot we run 2m width every week, so we're used to running at that width.

Wider would obviously be better, but Caldicot would probably have to drop out of the WRCA series if that was the case as we simply don't have the space.

My thought would be an advised track width of 2.2m and a minimum of 2m. That way clubs with more space can run wide, and those space challenged clubs can run narrower where they need to. Caldicot for example could run 2m generally with wider sections where ever we could fit them in as a compromise.

2) Rostrum height, we're thinking about updating our rostrum in the very near future, so if there is going to be a ruling/change on this then we'd be better off knowing this now so we can account for it. Min height of 750mm would be fine for us I would guess.

3) New one...what are peoples thoughts on splitting the nitro and electric rounds to run on their own next year?

The Cobra and Caldicot rounds had a big enough turnout of electric to make a good days racing on their own, but some of the other rounds didn't get the same numbers.

I'm not sure about turnout on the Nitro side, it looked pretty good to me each time, and nitro doesn't suffer the charging time problem that electric has with lower turn outs.

My personal observation, at the 2 Talywain rounds the timings of the day were both compromised slightly by the classes running together (late running at the first round and no practice round at the second). Not that it was a big problem, the club made the best call it could each time which I understand fully, but it just wasn't quite the ideal situation for anyone.

GNR's combined round was fine as I remember, and I was unable to attend the Saundersfoot or Swansea rounds in the end so can't comment on those, but haven't heard any negative comments, so maybe that's not really an issue?

Is it too soon for the numbers we have?
Are the Nitro & electric clubs willing or able to put on 2 separate events rather than 1 combined one?
Would it make scheduling the rounds for each class easier to avoid clashes with other events within the same class?
Or does it actually make it harder to schedule as there would be twice the number of events to run for the combined clubs and the same people running those events whatever the class of racing?
Would running separate rounds mean getting more drivers at each class because the other isn't running, or do we think the combined races are still the best way to do it for next year?

Intersted to hear what everyone thinks on that one.

That's all from me.

[Big G]

I can confirm that 6min heats and finals when run at COBRA didn't overwork the electrics and were good fun!

we run 7 or 8 minutes indoors at Ludlow club in the finals and never had a problem with anyone's cars. Outdoors we do the same.

I know I hardly count as a WCRA attendee as I only went to the 2 talywain rounds, but it was so annoying having to wait 2 hours for our finals in round 1 that I went home early. Last sunday was a bit disappointing not to get a practice round also. We pay £10 so at least the practice should be there.

At a MAM event you get open practice for an hour and 4 rounds and a final for £5.

just my 2p

[DCM]

Some good points there Andy, at some point, the drivers of the region have to take responsibility to support the events if they really want to split nitro and electric meetings. Doing this would allow for easier scheduling of dates to, but the driver MUST support it.

[axeman]

tricky one splitting them up!

because of the combined rounds a lot of nitro guys have liked the look of the electric stuff, they have gone out a bought it. and have started attending the electric clubs as well as the nitro.

I think running it together really promotes RC racing in Wales..

It's given some of the electric guys a look into nitro, and I know quite a few have enjoed the odd heat in somones nitro car to try it out.

[blue_pinky]

Good point Steve...and every little helps at the moment...for both classes!

[Pops]

Although i do sympathise with the people who run elec and nitro, splitting them up would give us that extra time to run 3 leg finals/practice and even a lunch break! Also more people would travel further as we could start a little later..Not sure if we are quit there yet with numbers but i think its Garlic bread...The future!:)

[Body Paint]

Although i do sympathise with the people who run elec and nitro, splitting them up would give us that extra time to run 3 leg finals/practice and even a lunch break! Also more people would travel further as we could start a little later..Not sure if we are quit there yet with numbers but i think its Garlic bread...The future!:)

In my best Northern accent

"GARLIC!!!" "BREAD!!!" "GARLIC BREAD!!!!!!"

[Pops]

In my best Northern accent

"GARLIC!!!" "BREAD!!!" "GARLIC BREAD!!!!!!"

Two undred quid?...twoo zero zero?

[Body Paint]

"Ther's a guy over ther just got 10 grand"

[peetbee]

Got to remember that it isn't just indoors that you guys got to think about.
How much do you guys want to pay for your days racing for starter.
Club affiliation?
Sections within the WRCA
Multi class meetings?
Track condition/design/length/features etc.
Then when you thought about it, are these proposals then acheivable, there is no point proposing a rule that only one club can achieve etc.
I think people need to know for definite what the current situation is on these things before they should propose any changes. Can these sort of details be posted somewhere?
Any chance of knowing the current situation??

[DCM]

As I believe, there are no current sections, there was, but at the last AGM, no section heads were appointed.

Track design is as per the BRCA, although we can apply local rules.

[Jamie.T]

Ive sent my proposal in this evening for the 1/8 electric rules as written by "the racing god" himself last year. Ive only changed the soft cased lipo's bit to a mandatory hard case.

Now my only problem is that ill be in the U.S whilst the AGM is on, so the question is, do i have to be there to propose or not? If i do, then how do i get around this, could someone else propose it maybe, or just be there acting on my behalf?