Control tyre in your country

[flipside]

Hi all,

I'm interested in what all you guys use as control tyre(s) in your country for national races. Also if it is 1 choice per track, or 1 (or several) choices for a complete season.

Looking for rules in France, Germany, Austria, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Italy, ...

Also please tell me if you're happy with your rules, what could be improved, is tyre availability any good, etc...

Cheers

wouter

ps: talking about 1/10th offroad electric

[Chequered Flag Racing]

BRCA Control Tyres:

The 2010 National Championship permits only two types of tyre for the rear axle at each venue. Compound and quantity used is not restricted. Front tyres are a free choice. The permitted rear tyres at all venues in the 2010 BRCA Off-Road National Championship are :- Schumacher Mini-Spike (Original & Mk.2) and Ballistic Buggy Mini-Spike.

As for compounds I'm sure one of the national drivers will respond

[flipside]

Thanks, especially interested in other countries too, even more if you have both dirt and astro tracks to race on.

[MiCk B.]

Ireland, grass track(s) only so it Schumacher mini-spikes & ballistic spikes.

MiCk B. :-)

[peetbee]

As for compounds I'm sure one of the national drivers will respond

As a general rule of thumb the majority of drivers, whether on a grass or astro track, use Schuey mini spikes in yellow compound in the dry and Ballistic Greens in the wet.

[flipside]

Yes I know :-)

Reason for asking is in fact cause we want to maybe change our control tyres in belgium. But therefore I'm looking for other countries (with dirt tracks also). Especially interested in dirt tyre, would be best to choose a tyre that is used in other countries too, regarding availability this is better than something exotic.

[Jan Larsen]

Non here, no need. Everyone uses minipins anyway. For dirt I'd go for the new(ish) holeshot 2.0 since its what they use at the Euros. Supply should be good.

[Body Paint]

We used to use the ballisitic buggy minipin at Tiverton (hard packed dirt) but this tyre was only good when it was warm and hard, if it was cold or loose we would run proline step pin.

The ballistic buggy spike was actually ok on the loose stuff at tiverton but not to great on the hard packed bits.

We tried many times to find something that was not the "exotic" hard to get tyres but always ended up back with them.

In the UK Nationals Tiverton would always have it's own control tyres (PL step pin, BB minipin) even when the entire rest of the series ran Schumacher minispike and ballistic spike.

[Ema]

For the Italian National we generally have 1 tyre choice per track and only two set of them are allowed for each race; but this only for the rear axle of the car, the front tyres are not restricted in both 2wd and 4wd classes.

Usually the tyre brand and the patter is chosed among the one we know it works on that particular track (and obviously that can be easily available).

For example this year we used (and still use) the Schumacher Mini Pins yellow for the indoor National and the Losi Big Shot Red for the outdoor ones.

Bye
Ema

[flipside]

In Belgium we have schum spikes for astro, and bigshot for dirt. But we are not happy with bigshots anymore, as the quality is really bad the last 2 years. New tyres look like the pins are already worn. Sometimes you get a new tyre with +-20 pins missing... There are even pretty big grip differences between different sets of tyres. On top of that, availability isn't great either.

Thanks for all info so far, keep it coming :-) (france, germany!)

[Gayo]

In France, our control tyres are :

Grass :
2wd rear and 4wd : Mini Spike Schumacher

Astro and indoor (carpet and tartan) :
2wd rear and 4wd : Minipin Schumacher

Dirt :
2wd rear : Bow Tie PL
4wd : Ifmar stud TL

Don't know about trucks, sorry.
Compound is not controlled.
The club decides which kind of tyres you have to run. If a grass track becomes a dirt track, you can't switch to dirt tyres.

There is a rumour saying that Proline has stopped production of the 1/10th Bow Ties. Dunno if it's true but we would be forced to change. I would really like to see the same tyres for both 2wd and 4wd rears.

I also don't really like our current choice of dirt tyres. Bow Ties are at their best only 1 or 2 runs, and Ifmar Studs are inconsistent and really hard on the track surface.

[flipside]

Not a rumour, bowtie isn't listed on their site anymore. For the euro's they make a new batch...

Do you like the bowties? I really find it a horrible tyre. Grip isn't great, ribs on the sidewall make it difficult to glue, inside webbing eats inserts,...

[Gayo]

Not a rumour, bowtie isn't listed on their site anymore. For the euro's they make a new batch...

Do you like the bowties? I really find it a horrible tyre. Grip isn't great, ribs on the sidewall make it difficult to glue, inside webbing eats inserts,...

See my edited sentence below...
Bowties also don't have much lateral grip, something useful on 2wds...:lol:

[Battle_axe]

after running PL suburbs,bow ties and holeshots along with losi taper pins, and bk bars the best tire around is without a doubt the holeshot 2.0 you get up to 8 weeks of runs (3 heats and a final) from them the holeshot 1.0 was better when twisty but the 2.0 wasn't that far away

[flipside]

Any experience with PL Caliber? Or any of the Jconcepts tyres?

We also prefer a tyre with a decent pattern, cause clay tracks in belgium/holland rarely have blue groove :)

Tyres like X2000 and bkbars don't really work on the looser stuff. Holeshot 1.0 also has it's pins really close to each other.

[lochness42]

Any experience with PL Caliber? Or any of the Jconcepts tyres?

We also prefer a tyre with a decent pattern, cause clay tracks in belgium/holland rarely have blue groove :)

Tyres like X2000 and bkbars don't really work on the looser stuff. Holeshot 1.0 also has it's pins really close to each other.

I've ran Calibers here on dirt - they seemed to be best option for me for races.

anyway you asked for control tyres per country:
Slovakia - no control tyres
Austria - Holeshots for 4wd and Bowties for 2wd, as long as I know they've bought large batch of them for euros and their nationals.

[renejespersen]

In Denmark we dont have any rules of tyres..
You are allowed to use whatever and just as many tires as you want. We only have carpet tracks at the moment and mini-pin is the prefered tyre. But even back when we had dirt the tyres was free, and it works really well. usually people use one sets of tires per race.

[mace]

Control tires in Germany see below, I'm not kidding, in my opinion it's an overkill and no minispike at all for astro

2-WD front Stagger Rib Schumacher CS-Electronic 10,90 EUR
2-WD front Wide 4 Rib Pro-Line Thunder-Tiger 12,95 EUR
2-WD front PRO-175 Rille 2WD PL-8175 Pro-Line Roega 12,40 EUR
2-WD front Lynx T700 Panther MW RC-Cars 14,90 EUR
2-WD front Groovy J3004 JConcepts LRP electronic 11,99 EUR
2-WD front Double Blades Hot Bodies LRP electronic 14,99 EUR
2-WD front rib wide body LOSA7202 Team Losi Horizon Hobby 9,99 EUR


2-WD rear Minipin Rear Schumacher CS-Electronic 11,90 EUR
2-WD rear Hole Shot Pro-Line Thunder-Tiger 13,95 EUR
2-WD rear Puma T710 Panther MW RC-Cars 14,90 EUR
2-WD rear X-2000 LOSA7369 Team Losi Horizon Hobby 9,99 EUR
2-WD rear Goose Bumps J3018 JConcepts LRP electronic 12,99 EUR
2-WD rear Megabite Hot Bodies LRP electronic 15,99 EUR
2-WD rear Bow-Tie PL-8186 Pro-Line Roega 13,40 EUR


4-WD front Minipin Front Schumacher CS-Electronic 10,90 EUR
4-WD front Bobcat T720 Panther MW RC-Cars 14,90 EUR
4-WD front IFMAR Stud tire 4WD LOSA7283 Team Losi Horizon Hobby 9,99 EUR
4-WD front Double Dee's J3003 JConcepts LRP electronic 12,99 EUR
4-WD front Fullslot Hot Bodies LRP electronic 15,99 EUR
4-WD front Hole Shot 2.0 PL-8207 Pro-Line Roega 13,00 EUR
4-WD front Hole Shot 0309769 Pro-Line Thunder-Tiger 13,95 EUR


4-WD rear Minipin Rear Schumacher CS-Electronic 11,90 EUR
4-WD rear Hole Shot 309590 Pro-Line Thunder-Tiger 13,95 EUR
4-WD rear Puma T710 Panther MW RC-Cars 14,90 EUR
4-WD rear IFMAR Stud tire 4WD LOSA7364 Team Losi Horizon Hobby 9,99 EUR
4-WD rear Double Dee's J3002 JConcepts LRP electronic 12,99 EUR
4-WD rear Gigabite Hot Bodies LRP electronic 15,99 EUR
4-WD rear Hole Shot 2.0 PL-8206 Pro-Line Roega 14,20 EUR


Truck front Stagger Rib Truck Schumacher CS-Electronic 16,90 EUR
Truck front Carvers J3028 JConcepts LRP electronic 18,99 EUR
Truck front The Edge T Pro-Line Thunder-Tiger 18,90 EUR
Truck front The Edge T PL-8095 Pro-Line Roega 16,50 EUR
Truck front Directional Rib Truck LOSA7505 Team Losi Horizon Hobby 14,99 EUR


Truck rear Microspike Truck Schumacher CS-Electronic 19,90 EUR
Truck rear Hole-Shot T Pro-Line Thunder-Tiger 18,90 EUR
Truck rear Double Dee's J3006 JConcepts LRP electronic 18,99 EUR
Truck rear Hole-Shot T PL-8192 Pro-Line Roega 19,50 EUR
Truck rear Kingpin Truck LOSA7637 Team Losi Horizon Hobby 14,99 EUR


Cheers:thumbsup:

[Foppa]

Sweden

The organising Club sets the Control tire if there is to be a control tire at the race which is also up to the Club

Maximum 3 pairs for each driven axle for qualifying and then 1 extra pair for finals

The problem with our rules is that there isn't always a good supply of tyres before the races as rhe club can announce the control tyre just weeks before the race, I would personally see 2 types of tyres maybe 3 to choose from over the season that would make it much easier both for racers and suppliers

[Foppa]

Any experience with PL Caliber? Or any of the Jconcepts tyres?

Havent tried the JC tires much but i Love the Calibers for our Swedish non bluegroove tracks

[Fatal1ty]

In switzerland is it as follow:

2WD:
Pro Line 8175-02 4-Rib Front Front
Pro Line 8184-02 Hole Shot Rear Rear
Pro Line 8186-02 Bow-Tie Rear Rear
Schumacher U6557 Mini Spike 2, yellow Front Front
Schumacher U6592 Stagger Rib Front Rear
Schumacher U6558 Mini Spike 2, yellow Rear Front
Schumacher U6608 Mini Pin Rear Rear
Team Losi LOS7204 FR XTRA-WIDE TIRES W/FOAM Front
Team Losi LOSA7205 2-RIB BK PRE-SCRUBBED Front
Team Losi LOS7368 BigShot Rear

Reifen für 4WD
Pro Line 8185-02 Hole shot Front Front
Pro Line 8186-02 Bow-Tie Rear Rear
Pro Line 8184-02 Hole Shot Rear Rear
Schumacher U6557 Mini Spike 2, yellow Front Front
Schumacher U6607 Mini Pin, yellow Front Front
Schumacher U6558 Mini Spike 2, yellow Rear Rear
Schumacher U6608 Mini Pin, yellow Rear Rear
Team Losi LOS7282 Blockhead Front
Team Losi LOS7368 BigShot Rear

Reifen für Monster Truck
Pro Line 8095-02 The Edge Front Front
Pro Line 8196-02 Bow-Tie Rear Rear
Pro Line 8192-02 Hole Shot Rear Rear
Schumacher U6508 Mini Spike Front Front
Schumacher U6542 Micro Spike Rear Rear
Team Losi LOS7505 Directional Rib Front
Team Losi LOS7638 Ifmar Pin Rear

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Also an overkill in my opinion, and unlimited pairs make it sometimes to material-wars :(

[PositivoNegativo]

In Spain our control tyres are :

Maximum 4 pairs for each driven axle

Astro
2wd rear: Schumacher Mini Spike 2
4wd front and rear: Schumacher Mini Spike 2

http://positivonegativo.smugmug.com/Competitions/SNS-2010-CRAEM-Madrid/P1010696/868726053_XgXNN-S.jpg

Indoor (carpet)
2wd rear: Schumacher Mini Pin
4wd front and rear: Schumacher Mini Pin

http://positivonegativo.smugmug.com/Competitions/Inter-Provincial-CostaBlanca/IMG1412/869691489_DCvru-S.jpg

Dirt (clay)
2wd rear: JConcepts Double Dees
4wd front and rear: JConcepts Double Dees

http://positivonegativo.smugmug.com/Competitions/Nacional-2009-RD4-las-gabias/P1010469/849976616_F2PJZ-S.jpg

In regional races is usually free.

[jaank]

Estonia: NONE.

[flipside]

Great thanks for all the info!

Funny to see that some lists are so long :-)

I now see that there is not really one dirt tyre that stands out, so in terms of availability that doesn't change much to choose a control tyre. If there was for example one tyre that many big countries used, that could influence our choice.

Some drivers tested a bunch of Jconcepts and proline tyres, and for now the caliber seemed to be the most popular one (wear vs grip etc...)

It will defintaly not be bowtie :)

[lochness42]

I belive that's way to go. Calibers really looks good.