Lightweight "Thin4" | RC10B4 FT

[Thomas P]

Nothing special, but i got kind of bored..so i took some parts that i have here in the hoby room :thumbsup: some spare chassis,arms,electronics so on..

See how low light i can get this "Thin4", no plans to race, since it is waaay to light..i hope :D

Heaviest of the El will be the Xerun60A sensor and Novak 380 - 8.5T
Rest will be mini servo
Hardcase CS 1900lipo can handle 114A burst..

I will use Orion 26mm lightweight El touring rims, with dito rally/pin from schumi

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[rcjunky]

you'll need quite the mini servo, I'd think a low pro servo would be much better, even though you don't plan on racing it, you'll still want it to steer

[Jaune]

now you should try to mount a durango body on this!

[Thomas P]

ISC949 Ko servo i think..

Il make a cab forward i think :)


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[Thomas P]

Some progress...



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[Thomas P]

Only a lid left..

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[Thomas P]

Done...little sad...the weight is exactly 1101gr rtr...with Schumi tires it will losse some more...im running the Limited Edition CM26 motor insted..the novak felt great but i will not roast it


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[Thomas P]

4th and almost final lid for the Thin4 car...sad i rushed this one, and the heat did some small damage on the lid, a new one will be ready sunday..

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[Timee80]

Looks good. How well does it get round a track tho?

[Thomas P]

the feeling was awsome...not sure if il be sticking with the CM26 , il going to test 1/10th el..

[nitrokillah]

hey MR.P
Looks Like fun .

if your going to put a 1/10th motor . maybe a one cell lipo could do the trick .

ie : 4200mAh 3.7V Carbon LiPo battery, for 1/12-scale cars
http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Orion1S4200.jpg

[JensK]

Car looks ace :thumbsup:

Will first test be at "green hill" ??

[warped]

hey MR.P
Looks Like fun .

if your going to put a 1/10th motor . maybe a one cell lipo could do the trick .

ie : 4200mAh 3.7V Carbon LiPo battery, for 1/12-scale cars
http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Orion1S4200.jpg


Tried this myself, and using a 1 cell lipo with a 3.5t motor gives reasonable power in a car on the weight limit, but imo isn't worth the trouble.

If you go this route you need a receiver pack. - The 1/12 style regulators don't give enough oomph.

But the main drawback is the amount of time to charge as the lower voltage means you take a lot more out of the pack than with 2s. You can't get away with one battery unless you are running at a very large meeting.

A 2s micro pack like the one pictured in the car, or low capacity full size 2s pack such as orions 2400 which only weighs 150g is a better option. But it will depend on your local rules as to what you can do.

[Thomas P]

First test will be at GreenHill...i will order some 2200 45c packs...i will not run the 1/10th system in this...it was never made for it...but it can be done, i have done it...it looks good :)

[OldTimer]

Looking good thomas :thumbsup:

[mrspeedy]

Awesome Thomas :D

How about 4wd front tyres on the back to loose a little more weight ?

and for motor, how about using something like Dan has in his Chunk, its 400 size so can use stock 48dp pinions too :thumbsup:

or maybe shorten the chassis, change the wishbones and call it a Micro !!

[davidmog99]

nice input wayne.
i can tell you will be a valued member of this forum.

[Thomas P]

Awesome Thomas :D

How about 4wd front tyres on the back to loose a little more weight ?

and for motor, how about using something like Dan has in his Chunk, its 400 size so can use stock 48dp pinions too :thumbsup:

or maybe shorten the chassis, change the wishbones and call it a Micro !!

Thanks Si, na wouldnt dare to to do tha, shorten it..i have the chunk, and it have no competition what so ever :thumbsup:

4wd rears..thats a plan.

The motor, yes, now i have to look in to that, i know that Feigao have a real nice 380c cklass, with inbuilt zink in the can..that can to be a killa

[Thomas P]

Si..here it is..im down at 1090gram now..sad i think it will go up little..will go for the 380c motor and 2200 packs

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[turbosimi]

Hello
I´m very interested in your project!
But can you tell us how long the runtime ist with that lipo?
thanks a lot!
Simon

[JensK]

Looks shit to me, a four year old could off done a better shell than that:thumbdown:

I think you go under the category as A##holes
cheers

[adam lancia]

Looks real cool Thomas! I'm really curious as to what kind of run time and power you'll get form the 380 size setup. Keep us posted :thumbsup:







Looks shit to me, a four year old could off done a better shell than that:thumbdown:

And that four year old would be you.....? :yawn: If you don't have anything constructive to say, keep your trap shut.

[peetbee]

Just cos you're not a kiss arse doesn't mean you have to be a http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/peetbee/censored.gif

[Chris Doughty]

I think the cab needs to be bigger and go slightly further down the car.

get a 540 motor in there, I can easily kill a 380 or 400 motor in an 18th scale car.

I like to see these away from the norm ideas :thumbsup:

[Richard Lowe]

This will be so agile!

How about lower towers, getting the front shocks on the rear and TC shocks on the front. Even lighter and lower CG :)

[Lonestar]

Looks abso-freakin-lutely ace!!! Make sure to add a lipo plate, eh???

(sorry.... couldn't resist :lol:)

[Razer]

Actually, that brings me to look through old pictures, you're not the first one to do this:)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2736/4474390134_79263b8a5e.jpg

Jupp, that's my buddys XXX-CR with it's sides cut of. It shall be said that this was run with regular race gear, although I don't think he ever weighted up to legal weight. Due to the cutaway sides, the flex caused extreme grip, so it would have become his wet race chassis, had he ever continued to use it.

Very cool project you got, so keep going!!

[Thomas P]

IL be going for some 1/10th electric this winter..and a 1s lipo. :)

[Thomas P]

Tested the car today..and what a cornerspeed :) sad it is not legal..app 300gr to light :D...Ordered a Novak Booster, so i can run the car properly :)

[Swalls]

This looks awesome Thomas, coming from TC you just don't see this kind of thing.

Really loving all the innovation here in offroad and this thin4 especially.

[SHY]

Very cool mod Thomas! :thumbsup:

But make a Durango (the prototype) shell instead, that's soooo cool!!! With cooling "shark gills" type of vents... :wub

Light cars on astro is BIG fun!!!

[Thomas P]

Thanks guys... My dream is a RebelB4 , but il be making my new Thin4.1 this weekend

[SHY]

RebelB4 - what would that be?

Btw I myself tried 4 cells NIMH and a 3,5 turn (in an X-6) a couple of seasons ago, before we had lipo... it was clear to me already then that a light car on astro is awesome!!!

Could you show us step-by-step how you make that body next time?

[Thomas P]

Yes il do that SHY. My 4wd is still just above the weight limit, dont belive in weight cars :)

[Thomas P]

So you know the car aint done yet but this is the Thin4.1 still cross my fingers that the MSR4 will be out
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[Thomas P]

Pics from the start..

Associated Thin4.1 by Tp-Parts...

Updates from yesterdays work

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Saddle config, for more weight

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Getting forward

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Thin4 vs Thin4.1

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Soon electrics

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[Thomas P]

Update - just fresh paint on new lid is left..

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No wheels

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Battery-tray

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[SHY]

Sweet! :-)

[Thomas P]

Thanks SHY, i have no setp by step about the lid, but some small pics that i taken during the work.

Thin4.1 lid - "skinny"

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Soon

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Thats it...

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[Thomas P]

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[SHY]

Very very impressive!!! :thumbsup:

Where do you get the lexan sheets from? Or do you use a bottle???

Oh, and how do you get those carbon plates engraved? Fibrelyte?

[Tom3012]

If you mean the side plates, its a sticker :)

Car looks awesome!

[Thomas P]

@ SHY: Thank you, the car perform very well!! real good actually :). Na, it is a Cola bottle 2L :D...Sticker, it is only Stickers

@ Tom: Yepp, stickers , thank you for all response

/T

[captainlip]

holy cow that looks funky!

[GRIFF55]

very nice!! try and get a video of so we can see it running:thumbsup:

[SHY]

Cool! So the bottles are real deal lexan? Which is better - Pepsi or Coke? :lol:

[Thomas P]

Coke..or Sprite 2L...Sprite are nice Greeeeeen ;)....

Hope i can get my AE shocks done...first Race ever for this one, will be in

WBC (Winter Buggy cup) 4 races over the season 2days, 2 and 4wd electric...

[discothesnake]

the guys a idioet lololololo

Why does'nt somebody just boot this guy? If you hav'nt got anything constructive to say just piss off!!

[SHY]

Agreed, ban the schmuck! :thumbsup:

[Thomas P]

Car is done..just waiting for a New Speedpassion ESC and a v3.0 6.5 motor... Shocks feeling ral nice..

[tsan]

VIDEO, VIDEO, VIDEO!

[Thomas P]

tsan, have to wait app 3-4 weeks :(...outdoor season is over, and the indoor one aint starting until app 3-4 weeks, but a movie will come up then

[till]

the cars look awsome !! i like it!!
what kind a glue did you use for the chassis, and what is the white stuff in the back of your 4.1 car ??

[Thomas P]

Loctites CA glue, instant.. The white stuff is Epoxy :D

Btw, thank you for thoose warm words, i cant wait to try it indoors now :)

/T

[turbosimi]

Hello
The car looks awsome:thumbsup:
I think that´s the glue!

edit: Ohh, you were faster!

Another question, how thick is the carbon plate?

Thanks!

[Thomas P]

The sides are 3mm or, maybe 1.5+2...not hundred%..thank you

=)

Edit: Not sure how much this one weights...i have dremeld off some plastic on each side, but added a thick CF "wall on each side...i have GHEA racing rear mount in brass, if it is to "light"...

[Thomas P]

Update..

Extra reinforcment...Epoxy filled the 2 holes that was not, and put a sunked skrew thru it, and a nut on the inside...think this one will hold..added a GHEA brass block to...

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[Thomas P]

Some small updatet, not, the new "CF on the left"..

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[Thomas P]

Sooo, finaly the car is done ??...New Electrics will arrive today :)

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[SHY]

Thomas, you should check out some stuff called "3M DP490", it's a bit like epoxy but more similar to carbon or graphite. Bonds really well and is very strong, very cool stuff! You can easily dremel it afterwards! Std. epoxy I find bonds less good, and it's not very good to dremel off when cured (too soft).

Olivier Langlet also uses this stuff, that's where I got the tip.

There's an übercool 3M dispenser for it also, with a "spiral mixturing solution"! Never seen the likes of it!

[Thomas P]

Thank you SHY, i just ordered some CF,and will look in to the 3M stuff :)

Just got my new SP stuff....FT Blue ones :D

[Thomas P]

So installed some new SpeedPassion stuff in the Thin4.1..

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[Thomas P]

Short update...took the Thin4.1 to a weight...

1484 grams without a transponder :)

[coolcars782]

whoopi-do what a idioet do u know if u use a diet cock bottle it will whey even lesser lolololololololololololololololsssss

Cock

[adam lancia]

Post reported (again) Wayne. I hope you loose the ability to give any type of input to a computer in the near future. Your posts suck, I'm sure they're a direct reflection of their author. Piss off.

[till]

where do you buy the carbon plates ??

[Thomas P]

till : fullforcerc.com or try fibre-lyte in uk

[Rebelrc]

Nice one Thomas...good work
i personaly like the fact that your shell looks different to the norm ...gives it identity
and the little man that we all have windows for will be able to see through the front shock tower easier:thumbsup:
nice work

[Thomas P]

Thank you maistro :D. I did my best, cant do it better...or i have some new ideas on the 3rd or hopefully the last version. Still waiting for a SMR4 :)..as long as it takes ;).

Ye, i think so to, love the lid, or you hate it...i think it is cool, cincider the material and the knowlege i have to do things like thaht

il be back asap i have test the car indoors...out door the car perform REAL good on astro)

[SHY]

SMR4 - what's that?

[Thomas P]

Sorry SHY wont say it :D.... ;)....it´s here on oople search and see if you can find it?...let me know if ya find it, and tell me what ya think about it..

Please do not take it wrong ;)...

[SHY]

Found it, thx! :thumbsup::woot:

[Thomas P]

What ya think SHY?

[till]

why such a mistery around that ??

[Thomas P]

Dont know, just...ähh, not sure :D...

ANyway, my car is 100% done now. New FT Shockmount for rear/front tower...New Race tires...we have to use Minipin/Spikes, down sanded....

[till]

ok, so you wanna play, then give a bit more advice =D

[Thomas P]

Offtopic.

This is the car...Mmmmm me like, me want!!





http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy114/headling/smrb4013.jpg


Back to Ontopic with the Thin4.1 :p

[SHY]

What ya think SHY?

Looks very nice! What's the cost for it?

Myself I've got way too many cars already... and too little time! :D

[fastinfastout]

Short update...took the Thin4.1 to a weight...

1484 grams without a transponder :)
whats going on here?

I thought the whole idea was to get this car down as light as possible.

now im pretty sure my standard b4 weighs much less than what you have at 1484grams. I remember adding at least 40grams to make min weight.

And I think your car is too front biased. Need more weight on rear, just my thoughts anyway. Do you know the weight distribution?

[Thomas P]

Yepp, that was the idea..but since i got my feelings for racing again, that car ended.

The car still have a lot weight on rear wheels..

If id use regular electronics this car will be way below weight limit :)

[jo90]

Awesome work

[Thomas P]

Thanks Mr, i hope i can do a last pack outdoor this weekend...around the 22/10-2010 we will have grand opening of the indoor track...cross my Fs for good result..if not, nothing to do..

[Thomas P]

Brrrrr...did a small testrun..+5 and "frost" at the shadow places on the track...the car was dialed...fullspeed corner on strait almost, the car was controlled on "drift"...so easy to drive...i hoe the car can work indoor.

[mx836]

Can you give me some insight on how you make the body from a bottle? Do you just use a heat gun to heat it and what is the best way to form it? Thanks in advance!