Rule Change Idea - 'Numbers'

[Chris Doughty]

I would like your feedback on a rule I am thinking of proposing.

I am thinking everything would 'look' better and still provide the same function if the following rule was relaxed or changed a little

22.6 At BRCA Sanctioned events all cars must display 3 full sized BRCA issue numbers with one facing to the front and with one on each side in an upright position.

based on this rule

22.1 Cars entered for Off Road competitions will be reasonable representations of full size cars generally accepted as being suitable for Rallycross, Rallying, Trail and Desert races.

I would like to see cars with better looking race numbers on them, we don't see full size cars with numbers flapping and falling off them, or even covering the drivers window?

so I would like peoples feedback if the rule was relaxed to allow any type of number, or any type of number from a decided (or homologated) list

BRCA number would still be available for racers not wanting to use their own numbers

your thoughts please....

[ashleyb4]

It would be nice as i have to stick my numbers over my name i would like a small area where i could stick my own numbers but currently brca numbers are to big i think there should be a rule about minimum size numbers but i agree we should be able to use other numbers.

If you want to put it forward chris ill second it.


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[Chris Doughty]

I think it is important that the numbers are still clear to read for the ref's

that is why I thought about the idea of a list of aceptable numbers, homologation list of a sorts.

for example

BRCA
Proline
UpGradeRC
RACER

[ashleyb4]

I would preffer to get my own made in my own style not like funny font or unreadable colours but ones that would say something on them like xx4we on the bottom in small writing etc. Like there should be a rule where the lettering must be a certain size and of a colour that is readable like black dark blue dark red. Colours that wouldnt be aloud would be like yellow and light green etc.

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[Chrislong]

I agree Chris,
I think if we cut the current numbers down to a rectangle within the circular sticker they become a more sensible size, and still readable, so cutting (to a determined minimum size) should be allowed.

I also think the placement should not be over the windows, perhaps centre of wing and one on each side of the shell?

Fair enough, sponsors want the stickers there, but we could soon adapt our sponsor sticker placement to be suitable too?

So many of us now have our own colours, that the refs know who the car belongs to before the number is seen. The only confusing time is when somebody other than Jonesy has an Orange shell... :D :D

[ashleyb4]

Like before they are run they should be checked by paul worsley.

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[DCM]

Stickers on the wings end plates is easily identifiable I guess!! I don't like the big blob stickers but understand the need for identifiable numbers, I really used to like the old Corally ones, they were ace!!

[Lee]

Like before they are run they should be checked my paul worsley.

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Are you sure he is yours ash?

I agree on this one, the numbers are so far off scale right now they go up onto the roof of the cars:o

[emzy]

In 12th scale, its the norm to "mutilate" numbers, purely because they won't FIT on the shells.

Rectangles sound good to me - as long as there's a BIT of white background so the number is clearly distinguishable?

[jasonrcb]

how about using the numbers that oswestry had at this years regional still round but fitted easily onto the shell they have them made so why cant the brca have there numbers made by the same company problem solved :)

[bigred5765]

or give veryone a aloted number for the year with there new license, and then chance to get it painted on some were nice in agreed places

[ashleyb4]

yea jason they were alot smaller and a more suitable size but i would still like to see aftermarket numbers being aloud but i would preffer to cut the brca ones down but currently where not aloud to.

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[losixxx]

IMHO just leave it as it is, if everyones running diff style numbers it could be a nightmare for the ref or timekeep trying to count missed laps if transponder goes down.
unless you have ''another'' homologation list for numbers (which i think is crazy) then people could run any old tat. system as it works fine and if it aint broke dont fix it:D

[AndyM]

or give veryone a aloted number for the year with there new license, and then chance to get it painted on some were nice in agreed places


i like that idea carl, like they do in F1, have a certain number determined by the posistion you qualified in the last year or sumthing.

just a thought

[Chris Doughty]

IMHO just leave it as it is, if everyones running diff style numbers it could be a nightmare for the ref or timekeep trying to count missed laps if transponder goes down.
unless you have ''another'' homologation list for numbers (which i think is crazy) then people could run any old tat. system as it works fine and if it aint broke dont fix it:D

playing devils advocate here,

but numbers falling off when wet and/or not sticking to shells is 'broke'

I don't really see why we can't have a homologation list for numbers, it allows people that take pride in their car to use good numbers on it. and it also stops people using any old tat.

simply have 1 of each example of the numbers stuck next to the scales or box. if the numbers are not 'allowed' then slap on some big BRCA ones as would normally done with cars with the 'wrong' number on them.

[losixxx]

playing devils advocate here,

but numbers falling off when wet and/or not sticking to shells is 'broke'

I don't really see why we can't have a homologation list for numbers, it allows people that take pride in their car to use good numbers on it. and it also stops people using any old tat.

simply have 1 of each example of the numbers stuck next to the scales or box. if the numbers are not 'allowed' then slap on some big BRCA ones as would normally done with cars with the 'wrong' number on them.
that could work but it just another job for someone to sort and more work for the scrutaneers!
think the falling of this year has been down to the change of supplier for the race number for the BRCA. never had problem with the old 3 in a line type. in fact sometimes the buggers were a nightmare to peel off :D
i think the main problem would be visibility for the ref. as now everyone car looks the same

[ashleyb4]

I would like to see it where there isnt a homolagation list as thats going to get to the point where we can only use numbers we can buy i want to cut the number off the brcaa ones and just put it on my own white background so i think we should change the rule to allow us to cut out the brca numbers and use after market number aswell is you wish to. I want to put a little white bit behind my window on both cars where i can just cut out the number and stick it on there.

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[woOdy]

Sorry guys for changing the rule but I have one I would like to change. ITs the one about leaving the rostrum before the race finishes. Right now they get a penelty for that round they have left the rostrum but if you think about it' why are they leaving the rostrum in the first place?' It should be off the FTD.

[Reevsey]

As Chris has mentioned

"I think if we cut the current numbers down to a rectangle within the circular sticker they become a more sensible size, and still readable, so cutting (to a determined minimum size) should be allowed."

May have a simple solution.......Why do we not just ask the BRCA to change the shape of the stickers to rectangle from round? If the number size stays the same would that not work?

[ashleyb4]

I think the driver should be able to leave the rostrum as i would preffer him out of the way as it puts me off with drivers walking about behind me. And them kicking the raillings when they break it lol

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[Kopite]

Sorry guys for changing the rule but I have one I would like to change. ITs the one about leaving the rostrum before the race finishes. Right now they get a penelty for that round they have left the rostrum but if you think about it' why are they leaving the rostrum in the first place?' It should be off the FTD.

with you all the way on that one mate, it's absolutely no punishment at all for them to lose that time if they've stopped racing!!

[Reevsey]

Woody - Totally agree.....

[AndyM]

sorry to be the one to repeat what others have sed, but totally agree woody!

[matdodd]

Me to :D

[Chris Doughty]

Si, reason I didn't suggest BRCA change their numbers is that they are used accross the whole BRCA, they also have stock.

my idea is that they are still can use up the stock, people can still get 'free' numbers if they want to.

its just that you have the OPTION to use other numbers.

with regard extra scrutineering, don't they 'check' the numbers on the cars anyway? if it looks obviously 'wrong' then they can pull it up

start a new topic on rostrum leave please... :wtf:

[Lew]

I think that we should just get a number, say brca number, And it has to be sprayed on the shell on each side, visible etc so that it can be seen either side.

Or, why dont you just get small square/rectangle numbers and stick them on either side of the wing, then it could be visible which number you are.

[ashleyb4]

I think we should defetly be able to cut he numbers out as long as we dont cut into the actual number. So what we want is......

To be able to use aftermarket numbers from companys such as proline etc
Be able cut the BRCA numbers so they fit better on the car.

You going to propose it chris???

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[losixxx]

I think we should defetly be able to cut he numbers out as long as we dont cut into the actual number. So what we want is......

To be able to use aftermarket numbers from companys such as proline etc
Be able cut the BRCA numbers so they fit better on the car.

You going to propose it chris???

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so what your saying ash is cut all the white away and just leave the black number?? what happens if your bodyshell is black! hows the ref supposed to see it?

[RLGfx]

how about 'number must be legible (sp?) when viewed from a distance, and a contrasting colour to the bodyshell where possible'... ?

That means you can cut the surround how you want, as long as you can still read it on-track.

[ashleyb4]

I said you can cut it if you want. You dont have to cut it i want to put two little white shapes behind my windows on my car to match the contors of the shells where i can stick the black numbers.

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[bert digler]

I think the driver should be able to leave the rostrum as i would preffer him out of the way as it puts me off with drivers walking about behind me. And them kicking the raillings when they break it lol

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i think the driver stayin on the rostrum is a crap idea
the driver should be able to leave if ok with other drivers ref and does not disturb the race in progress;)

[Lee Martin]

Cool Numbers needed!!!

[Reevsey]

Si, reason I didn't suggest BRCA change their numbers is that they are used accross the whole BRCA, they also have stock.

Good point Chris....;) i had not thought about other classes:wtf:

[Chris Doughty]

I am thinking of proposing it, but some of the talk in this thread about 'I want my own numbers' and 'let everyone be allowed to cut their numbers to NNxNN' is going over the top.

I will only put forward a rule that is similar to what we have now, just a little bit more relaxed with regard to the 'brands' of numbers allowed.

as Chris (LosiXXX) pointed out, the rule is not really broken, its just that the current number I think don't look that good and don't stick that well.

[Lee Martin]

ill second the rule

[The Monk]

Sliglty off topic but on rostums where the transmitter compound is on the rostum, why are the baskets all in heat order (eg lined up 1-2-3-4... etc).

I find it always causes a mass 'kafuffle' between heats with the heat comming off and heat going on returning/collecting their tranny's from the same location. Could the baskets not be be lined up as "1-3-5-7-9-11-2-4-6-8-10-12"?? seperating the people returning tranny's from those collecting.

[Nick Goodall]

Think it should go as a new topic really, but why not just have a Tranny box for No1, 2, 3 etc etc so you have all the people that are Car 1 in one box, or something? That would also work wouldn't it?

[ashleyb4]

I would like to put forward the rule that we are allowed to cut the std BRCA numbers down. Anyone want to second it??

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[MK999]

why not kill 2 birds with one stone and have your national finishing position (new F rating :p) as your number which is painted onto the car in a certain fashion, must be black on white background with stencil style templates supplied by the BRCA maybe?, all those without a finishing position cause a problem though, would have to have ridiculously high stick on numbers, like 100+. Noticed someone suggested putting numbers on the wings, problem is wings can and will come off :D

[ashleyb4]

That will be impossible what happen when you go to a smaller meeting or you go to a regional or you got to the euro's or the worlds it would mean even more work for jakie or the timekeeper at that particlular meeting. Also each year you would have to have a new shell done.


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[MK999]

possibly stick on numbers to the same effect then, but then you end up at square 1 again i guess :o

[Chris Doughty]

it would be nice to hear some feedback from people that have done some ref'in.

the only experience with 'finding' cars on the track during a race is a quick glance around the track while going down the straight, I can normally find numbers/cars easily enough.

[PaulRotheram]

I like the idea, but itd have to be done 'proper'. How about BRCA using one like you can get in racer mags? the big squares and you then put a number inside it. I do this for club racing and it looks nice, and easily big enough to see the number.

[telboy]

Also each year you would have to have a new shell done

Obviously, I wouldn't be complaining if this happened.:D ;)

How about a brca 'designated position' for the numbers?

That way you can leave a space on your shell, and not put any sponsor stickers there.

But I do think that the numbers should be a little smaller, after all, they are probably the smallest shells in RC...apart from the micro classes obviously.

[Body Paint]

The main reason for numbers is for the refs to see them. They HAVE to ba able to read the numbers from a great distance to be able to call people through the traffic. I ref'd the F2's and on several occasions found myself shout "Leeder with the red car on the straight" as I just couldn't see the number.

IMO It will only damage yourselves if you run a smaller number.

I don't see a problem with making the backing a bit smaller, the white bit. The numbers themselves need to be BIG.

CHRIS; If you want to prototype something to put forward to the BRCA give me a shout.

[PaulRotheram]

Thats why i suggested the ones like from the racer mag. They are of a good size, and easily viewable.. but look more professional instead of a white circle waving about.

[josh_smaxx]

If you make the backing smaller and the number the same, physcologically the number would look bigger :D

P.s. just realised, new smilies :D