Off Road Moto Arena

[mattybucks]

If the motor arena had on indoor off road track Astro or Carpet would you attend on a regular basis? Midweek and weekends?

If no then please post you reasons.

Thanks

Matt

[Col]

I think you'll struggle to get more than a handfull to attend on a regular basis...
Assuming that I'm correct it's not really worth them building it, because (despite what some think) if you build it they still might not come.

[mattybucks]

I think you'll struggle to get more than a handfull to attend on a regular basis...
Assuming that I'm correct it's not really worth them building it, because (despite what some think) if you build it they still might not come.

Why? PDA had a regular good attendance.

[Gonky]

Would there be much to build? lay some carpet/astro, couple of jumps... i'm sure there'd be some demand for local-ish indoor racing at some point during the week, especially with winter on its way!

[Col]

And in summer?

[Col]

Why? PDA had a regular good attendance.

I've asked this question in several threads and never recieved an answer.... If PDA was as great as most seem to think, why did it close?

[Darren Boyle]

They lost the venue......

[Col]

Thanks Daz

[ukbish]

If the motor arena had on indoor off road track Astro or Carpet would you attend on a regular basis? Midweek and weekends?

If no then please post you reasons.

Thanks

Matt
Which days exactly?

[Gonky]

And in summer?

I guess there's two options in the summer...

A) continue to run with an indoor set-up

B) make use of the out door track.

Having not seen the outdoor track or know what plans they have for it then i'm not sure how viable that option is.

[JCJC]

Would attend sometimes, we don't get out much these days:cry:

Carpet & some sort of jumps & bumps, you possibly missed this sort of thing from Newbury (now all TC I believe). But a few years ago had very much loved offroad meetings. (with crossovers:woot:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o0GUqXv3X8



(sorry cannot see astro working inside)

[mattybucks]

Which days exactly?

It's a hypothetical question. I've not even spoke to the motor arena yet. I'm just gauging interest.

[PaulUpton]

Was there last nigt with SmartAlec and speaking to a guy who worked there basically said that off-road was a no go as there was no one to maintain the track, switching between on/off road etc. Cant see a issue myself but that is what he said.

We (SRCMCC) were approached by Moto Arena to run indoor off road meetings, we were very interested in doing this, however i left contact details with them and even took trips over to see them, but had no contact from them and still nothing has come of this. Im not sure its something they want to persue as Alec says it dosent fit in with the 'image' of the full size circuit.

If its something they want to happen then im sure as a club we could maybe work something out, but as i said to MKRCTC 'they need you more than you need them'

[budgio]

There were a few of us who went to the Moto Arena straight after the Big Weekender Silverstone meet.The guy in charge (Grant?) was ok with buggies going around the track at the time and i must say it was good fun drifting around on my turf rippers alongside the touring cars.

It could be good if it happens.

The ball is in their court,im sure if they really wanted it to happen they would be talking to SRCMCC

[James]

Why? PDA had a regular good attendance.


Just curious, what was the average attendance and how much did it cost to race?

[PaulUpton]

on a good night think there was about 30 people (PTRU correct me if i wrong), and it was £8 to race (again PTRU, if im wrong)

[mk2kompressor]

Was there last nigt with SmartAlec and speaking to a guy who worked there basically said that off-road was a no go as there was no one to maintain the track, switching between on/off road etc. Cant see a issue myself but that is what he said.

We (SRCMCC) were approached by Moto Arena to run indoor off road meetings, we were very interested in doing this, however i left contact details with them and even took trips over to see them, but had no contact from them and still nothing has come of this. Im not sure its something they want to persue as Alec says it dosent fit in with the 'image' of the full size circuit.

If its something they want to happen then im sure as a club we could maybe work something out, but as i said to MKRCTC 'they need you more than you need them'


you beat me to our announcement;)
this will be posted on a new thread in the next couple of days, after our meeting the other day it was decided that MA will have an offroad indoor setup.
plans for this are already in motion and it should be ready to race on in as little as 4 weeks time.
planned days for use will be Tuesdays and Saturdays:thumbsup:
the staff on the doors have not yet been informed but will be shortly

[PaulUpton]

Good news, Who is involved in running this then?

I hope the jump that was on the track last night isnt the ones you are thinking of using.

[Smartalec]

you beat me to our announcement;)
this will be posted on a new thread in the next couple of days, after our meeting the other day it was decided that MA will have an offroad indoor setup.
plans for this are already in motion and it should be ready to race on in as little as 4 weeks time.
planned days for use will be Tuesdays and Saturdays:thumbsup:
the staff on the doors have not yet been informed but will be shortly
Good new indeed, if you need any help/advice i'm only 8 miles down the road and after our visit yesterday evening i'm sure (if asked) Paul and myself could give you a few ideas :thumbsup:
Please please please if you have no one actually experienced with making jumps can you ask the right people as that will be the biggest problem if it's not done right from the off.

[mattybucks]

you beat me to our announcement;)
this will be posted on a new thread in the next couple of days, after our meeting the other day it was decided that MA will have an offroad indoor setup.
plans for this are already in motion and it should be ready to race on in as little as 4 weeks time.
planned days for use will be Tuesdays and Saturdays:thumbsup:
the staff on the doors have not yet been informed but will be shortly


Come on Guys, lets get behind this. With a little assistance/advice we may end up with a very good indoor venue.

Let's hear your ideas?

Astro turf for me all the way. Some good jumps, a wall of death, and ladys fingers rumble sections for me.

[mattybucks]

Good new indeed, if you need any help/advice i'm only 8 miles down the road and after our visit yesterday evening i'm sure (if asked) Paul and myself could give you a few ideas :thumbsup:


Thanks Alec, and I thought were mates!!!

[Smartalec]

Thanks Alec, and I thought were mates!!!
Sorry, do I know you? :p

[Smartalec]

Come on Guys, lets get behind

Some good jumps, and ladys finger secs for me.
Really Matthew :D

[mattybucks]

Really Matthew :D

Mate, I reckon you could run your zimmer frame round the current track, nothing too complicated for the "supervet" as his eyesight is going!

[Smartalec]

Mate, I reckon you could run your zimmer frame round the current track, nothing too complicated for the "supervet" as his eyesight is going!
Sounds perfect for me and DC ............. Yeehaaa :thumbsup:

[simond001]

So is Moto Arena now competing with Silverstone off road club for the members?

[mk2kompressor]

guys, we want all the input we can possibly get so its right from the off:thumbsup: Matt, Paul and Alec id like to arrange a meeting with you guys, is that possible and when?
Matt has my number:)

[mk2kompressor]

So is Moto Arena now competing with Silverstone off road club for the members?


no, MA is hosting a winter series alongside Kyosho/Team Orion, we dont want to have the stuff to make an indoor offroad track and not use it for anything else;)
do Silverstone race on Tuesdays and Saturdays?

[DerbyDan]

Sounds like some positive decisions are being made by Moto Arena

The whole emmergence of this venue has been curious....

For me Moto Arena need to do the following in order to encourage people to support them & actually race there...


Set out a clear agenda of what classes they want to run & on what days/evenings, obviously some times will be set aside for corporate events, parties, arrive & drive etc (which will be required to get the necessary revenue for the up-keep of such a place)


I think MA need to take the 'bull by the horns' & run the regular meetings themselves... involving already established clubs I think complicates things - with conflicts of interests & membership fee issues. Obviously for large BRCA sanctioned events, the BRCA's input would be required.


Set-out a clear pricing schedule - the three different pricing plans advertised on the website I think have completely scared people off, especially as it is not clear what you would be getting for each plan. For me Moto Arena should be THE CLUB & there would be annual membership fee - this would give you discounted on-the-day race fees & the option of joining the BRCA, if you're not already a member - a system used by most clubs in the UK. Maybe as the Arena settles and starts to attract members who race regularly (possibly more than once a week) Then they can offer annual subscriptions that allows the driver to race at any meeting without any additional race fees/free practice during allocated times + other privileges. The cost of the 'Gold' plan would be comparable to Golf Club membership - or a season ticket for the Northampton Saints... which some racers might - 'might' be interested in if they raced there enough. Most of us racers however don't just race at one venue - so with other club fees - the 'Gold' plan is way out of most racer's pockets. There should also be an option for non-members to race with a one-off on the day fee without any other membership commitments.


Get the advice from seasoned racers/BRCA organisers on each of the tracks & make the necessary alterations before running race meetings on them (sounds like this could happen for the possible off road meetings:)) - I went to have a look myself a couple of weekends ago, for me the outdoor on road track looked nice but rather too narrow generally (though raceable) - the rostrum was stuck too far down one end (especially considering the tracks width) & needs centralising (maybe it need moving to the otherside along the straight if there is room?). The outdoor off road track was obviously designed by someone who's never raced off-road - the area allocated is too small really, but the space could be much better utilised by not having the banked track dividers - which leaves very little room for the cars in the 'gulley' an in some areas must make the cars difficult to see? The indoor on-road track is obviously the centrepiece for the Arena and has the potential to be great (I can't think of another indoor tarmac track in the UK?) But the track markers would be much better if they were shaped concrete like the outdoor track - though I understand improvements are being made to the current plastic markers with the introduction of flappy corners etc. Generally for all tracks, for really big meetings there seems to be a lack of pitting areas & the tracks seemed to have been designed without consideration for marshal points.... but all these critisms can be sorted out in due course i'm sure.
The On-road genre suits the Area's location by the full-size track but unfortunately its come at a time when on-road racing is experiencing a bit of a down turn - though the number of drivers that have pre-booked for Ardent's winter series show that its still very popular. I think making the indoor track into a temporary off road track is a good idea but it needs to be done right.... on that tarmac floor with the rigid plastic markers there could be alot of people going home with broken cars :( Obviously in an ideal world there would be the room indoors for a full size permanent on-road tarmac track with a full size lime-clay dirt off road track alongside.... just like the Yatabe Arena in Japan - now that would be a popular venue in the UK!

[Smartalec]

Obviously in an ideal world there would be the room indoors for a full size permanent on-road tarmac track with a full size lime-clay dirt off road track alongside.... just like the Yatabe Arena in Japan - now that would be a popular venue in the UK!

:thumbsup:

[Dhami1]

Id race at an indoor off road track...!! :thumbsup:

there needs to be a permanent venue for indoor electric. There isn't anywhere to go and practice!?

Im sure numbers would build up as soon as the word gets out.

I used to go to PDA, that was an awsome set up.. a lot of 1/8 drivers brought a 1/10 just to race. This has got to be a good thing.

so i hope something will come out of this thread. good luck!

[David Church]

Sounds perfect for me and DC ............. Yeehaaa :thumbsup:

I like your style!!!:D

[Battle_axe]

I'm only 15 mins away and have said before I will provide help and input if you want

[learnerdriver]

no, MA is hosting a winter series alongside Kyosho/Team Orion, we dont want to have the stuff to make an indoor offroad track and not use it for anything else;)
do Silverstone race on Tuesdays and Saturdays?

will this offroad winter series be on sundays as most clubs in the area have / are setting their winter series dates !

do we presume that MA will have their own timing equipment ?

thanks in anticipation

[dbizzle5]

Tuesdays and Saturdays sound good to me! Mrs at work means no "pass" required!:thumbsup:

[mk2kompressor]

Dale from RC-Timing has supplied us with the software and we have our own decoder, just need handout pt's but i think some from MRT may be a better option:)
We will try not to clash with other clubs on dates, ill be looking at getting seperate calendars together for on and off road events from other places first before a decision is made on dates

[learnerdriver]

Dale from RC-Timing has supplied us with the software and we have our own decoder, just need handout pt's but i think some from MRT may be a better option:)
We will try not to clash with other clubs on dates, ill be looking at getting seperate calendars together for on and off road events from other places first before a decision is made on dates
any idea of surface for indoor offroad as yet ?

[mk2kompressor]

initial thoughts are,

carpet jumps and landing section
tarmac straights
maybe some astro for corners or landing sections

ive asked a couple of guys from here to help out with whats best, it needs to be right from the off:)

[learnerdriver]

avoid the sand filled astro if you can, it is extremely heavy to move and could cause problems if you want to run an onroad event the next day ;)

offroad clubs in the area are coventry , silverstone and stotfold on sundays, think hinckley may run on saturdays ?

[learnerdriver]

initial thoughts are,

carpet jumps and landing section
tarmac straights
maybe some astro for corners or landing sections

ive asked a couple of guys from here to help out with whats best, it needs to be right from the off:)

there is a wealth of 1/10th offroad experience and knowledge of different tracks and surfaces in this area, a couple have already offered and i can think of a few more at least (it may be worth setting up a meeting for all interested drivers/parties ) :thumbsup:

[mk2kompressor]

monday pm seems to be the best meeting day if anyone wants to come down and give me some opinions:thumbsup:
it needs to be easily removed for onroad and use some of the materials we have already too (not sure if we have any "fingers" though:p)

[learnerdriver]

monday pm seems to be the best meeting day if anyone wants to come down and give me some opinions:thumbsup:
it needs to be easily removed for onroad and use some of the materials we have already too (not sure if we have any "fingers" though:p)

it might help matt if you added your full name to your sig so people know who to ask for ;)

[mk2kompressor]

just come down and ask for the MA rally simulator champion:woot:
Matt will do for now as im the only Matt there:drool:

[tellor]

initial thoughts are,

carpet jumps and landing section
tarmac straights
maybe some astro for corners or landing sections

ive asked a couple of guys from here to help out with whats best, it needs to be right from the off:)

Hi,
Ideally, you would'nt want any tarmac on the off road track.
The best off road tracks in the U.K do not have any tarmac.
It's a tyre killer. :cry:

The interest is alot greater for the off road section, the on road had hardly any advice.

Just convert to whole thing to indoor astro or dirt, it WILL be packed on tuesdays, and racedays.
Just look at PDA, a tiny dirt track no bigger than the rostrum at MA, and it had at least 30 people turn up weekly.


Tel

[Smartalec]

Hi,
Ideally, you would'nt want any tarmac on the off road track.
The best off road tracks in the U.K do not have any tarmac.
It's a tyre killer. :cry:

The interest is alot greater for the off road section, the on road had hardly any advice.

Just convert to whole thing to indoor astro or dirt, it WILL be packed on tuesdays, and racedays.
Just look at PDA, a tiny dirt track no bigger than the rostrum at MA, and it had at least 30 people turn up weekly.


TelYou are so right, the ideal would be a clay/dirt track but convincing them to dig up all that shiny new tarmac may be a bit difficult :)

[mattybucks]

Dale from RC-Timing has supplied us with the software and we have our own decoder, just need handout pt's but i think some from MRT may be a better option:)
We will try not to clash with other clubs on dates, ill be looking at getting seperate calendars together for on and off road events from other places first before a decision is made on dates

Alot of people run personal transponders, ideally you need an amb system.

Surface wise I think Alec has a good idea, so I'll let him discuss that.

[mk2kompressor]

we got an amb decoder:)

the offroad track has to be removable or it wont happen:(

[mattybucks]

we got an amb decoder:)

the offroad track has to be removable or it wont happen:(

try just the tarmac and some jumps first, and lets go from there. You can run any soft compound tyre according to Alec as the grip on the tarmac is really good.

[telboy]

thing is, I'd end up spending all my time on the F1 Simulator!!:woot:

[Xizor]

Just a warning to Matt at MA. ;)

This forum is predominately for off-road drivers. Please don't get the impression that there is little interest in on-road touring cars, minis, etc. There are many clubs up and down the country running indoor on-road meetings every week. I would say they are the quiet majority.

By all means have a removable off-road track. If you get the right advice it will be great. You absolutely must get it spot-on though or nobody will be interested.

Don't forget the quiet majority though, will you?

Cheers :)

[Smartalec]

Just a warning to Matt at MA. ;)

This forum is predominately for off-road drivers. Please don't get the impression that there is little interest in on-road touring cars, minis, etc. There are many clubs up and down the country running indoor on-road meetings every week. I would say they are the quiet majority.

By all means have a removable off-road track. If you get the right advice it will be great. You absolutely must get it spot-on though or nobody will be interested.

Don't forget the quiet majority though, will you?

Cheers :)
You are absolutely correct, there are many clubs up and down the country running indoor on road meetings weekly and most of them have seen a steady decline in numbers over the last few years which is why this facility NEEDS BOTH for it to survive.

There are a few clubs that have built some jumps and run all the classes side by side each week, they work quite well and their numbers are up. I used to attend Aylesbury club on a Friday (AORRC) but touring cars with stock motors and tyres with no grip made it uninteresting for me (and others) and they said they weren't interested in running buggies on a regular basis, only as a filler class.

People assume that minipin tyres will ruin the expensive carpets that most club have, it's not buggies that ruin carpets, it's touring cars with screws sticking out the bottom that are run too low that make the holes. Sure, on a permanent track where the corners never change you will get wear with any form of car, not just buggies, but where the carpet is put away each week and re-laid with a different track layout, the corners are never in the same part of the carpet so there's no problem.

Moto Arena I doubt will never dig up the tarmac so that's there to stay, how many they get using it regularly I can't say but up until now it's not a lot. What I can say is that with the right input there can be a very good REMOVABLE off road indoor track that will eventually get a good following. I think the biggest problem at the Moto Arena will be the people in charge doing it half-measures (no insult to anyone intended) and wanting it to be full to the brim from day one. That won't happen, it will take weeks to build a base of people that will come regularly and of course it has to be right from the off (as said in the post above).

As for touring cars/minis etc being the silent majority, yes they are on this forum but ask your BRCA section chairman and he'll give you all the statistics that will tell you that the biggest growth class is off-road.

Clubs beware, make your tracks suitable for ALL classes of racing and you will flourish, stick to the flat stuff and your numbers will continue to fall :(

[Adam F]

Please god let them start an indoor off road series over winter....

I cant take much more shopping or visiting in-laws....

[mk2kompressor]

Don't worry, we got plenty in store for onroad,
think of the biggest island track system you have ever seen;)
even that has to be removable

[Xizor]

There are a few clubs that have built some jumps and run all the classes side by side each week, they work quite well and their numbers are up. I used to attend Aylesbury club on a Friday (AORRC) but touring cars with stock motors and tyres with no grip made it uninteresting for me (and others) and they said they weren't interested in running buggies on a regular basis, only as a filler class.



The Aylesbury club did have a thriving buggy scene (1/18) at one time, with sometimes 2 heats or more of them. They were great fun. However, all of a sudden, they went out of fashion and everybody stopped racing them. Why?
Through all that though, the touring cars and minis survived.

I totally agree that MA needs to support both on and off-road. They need to be careful though. I remember not too long ago when off-road racing almost died in this country. It's popular at the moment, but don't count on it lasting. Make the tracks flexible to accommodate changing fashions.

BTW, couldn't you have a track which incorporated an on-road circuit with some alternative off-road sections in the infield? Sort of like a rallycross track?

As for falling numbers, I think that's got more to do with the state of the economy than anything else. Don't start me off about banks!;)

Cheers

[DCM]

Tyre wear isn't an issue on Tarmac once you get your head out of the Schumacher Tyre bag..... You would have to start looking at the proline range...

One little suggestion, Matt, try and get a decent driver up there, get a supply of tyres in for them to test, the one that gives decent wear and grip, make it a control tyre, and can be purchased at the track for a discounted price ;)

[MatJohnson]

Might sound daft, but, why not use flat box sections like they do at large stadiums? you can wheel them in, lock the wheels in place and your chosen surface is there already, roll them out when finished and you have you tarmac area all sorted.

The only issue would be the joins between the crates, but I assume there is a big door somewhere, so larger crates would mean less joins.

[mattybucks]

Tyre wear isn't an issue on Tarmac once you get your head out of the Schumacher Tyre bag..... You would have to start looking at the proline range...

One little suggestion, Matt, try and get a decent driver up there, get a supply of tyres in for them to test, the one that gives decent wear and grip, make it a control tyre, and can be purchased at the track for a discounted price ;)


Or let people run what they want then you could use all your old tyres that are no good for asto or carpet.

[Smartalec]

Tyre wear isn't an issue on Tarmac once you get your head out of the Schumacher Tyre bag..... You would have to start looking at the proline range...

One little suggestion, Matt, try and get a decent driver up there, get a supply of tyres in for them to test, the one that gives decent wear and grip, make it a control tyre, and can be purchased at the track for a discounted price ;)
Excellent suggestion :thumbsup:

[RogerM]

How about a control tire for events and anything goes for practice days / club meetings... best of both!

The fastest tire will come to the fore and everybody will choose it for events anyway but you don't want to force the guys on a budget to buy specific tires just for a bit of "stick time" as they simply won't go!

[dale]

Personally, I wouldn't even consider putting time and effort into this until I'd got the on-road tracks up to world class level, and got some regular racing going on bringing in money and building interest in the facility.

At this stage, doing anything else is just a distraction. Surely if anyone at MA has any spare time it should be used to sort out the track markings, and get some on-road race events organised?

Ardent have shown this; they spent the first 6 months building up a great reputation as the best indoor track in the area, and as a result they now have 16 heats at their winter series, plus a reserve list. On-road is popular, if it's done well. Only now that the on-road side is well established are they branching out into off-road events as well.

While 90% of the Oople users may be off-roaders (who certainly won't agree with what I've just said), they don't represent 90% of the racing community, where the split is a lot more even.

[Xizor]

While 90% of the Oople users may be off-roaders (who certainly won't agree with what I've just said), they don't represent 90% of the racing community, where the split is a lot more even.

Hear, hear!

However, I don't see why they can't develop a top-class removable off-road circuit at the same time as sorting out the on-track.

They did have a regular, quite well attended, on-road series going until a few weeks ago. It was being run by the Milton Keynes club until there were a few problems. If they can be ironed out, hopefully they will restart.

[MiniKing]

Seems MKRCTC club haven't sorted their problems with MA as yet - check their forum.

[JCJC]

Seems MKRCTC club haven't sorted their problems with MA as yet - check their forum.

Cheers for that MiniKing, but to access the forum you have to register, I can see its Pete White's birthday, happy birthday Pete White :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I cannot be asked to register :bored::bored:

[mark christopher]

this on thier main page

MKRCTC Back At Mill Mead

Due to a combination of the next two Sunday's at Silverstone the traffic will be manic, feedback from the club members plus issues the club have raised with Moto Arena not being resolved to our satisfaction, with immediate effect the club will revert to racing at Mill Mead on Sunday mornings. Wednesday evening events will no longer take place.

Whilst Moto Arena has the potential to be a fantastic facility, the committee feel that the club is best served reverting back to Mill Mead Hall for the time being at least. It is possible that we will reconsider being based at Moto Arena in the future, once some of the issues we have highlighted have been addressed, we remain in regular contact with the management team.

So just to recap, starting with Sunday 19th September, MKRCTC will be racing at Mill Mead Hall at the usual start / finish times.

[PaulUpton]

MKRCTC are still in talks with MA about returning, nothing finalised yet.

[mk2kompressor]

Hear, hear!

However, I don't see why they can't develop a top-class removable off-road circuit at the same time as sorting out the on-track.



exactly whats going to happen, the on-road track will be built based on an island system and the off-road parts will be made removable.
i hope you guys have got some good ideas for monday:thumbsup:

[Xizor]

exactly whats going to happen, the on-road track will be built based on an island system and the off-road parts will be made removable.
i hope you guys have got some good ideas for monday:thumbsup:

Sounds promising. Can you explain what you mean by an 'island system', please.

Cheers

[Teddy truman]

If you guys want infomation at MA. Ask grant to give you my details.. i used to run PDA in Bicester just up the road.

We had the building taken away from us that is why we shut down to answer a previous question.

I have been there and got the T-shirt.

I work about 20Yards from the MA on the circuit and i live about 10mins away... so like i said you want advice, just ask..

Tony

[mk2kompressor]

Here until 7.30 guys :)

[Adam F]

Just a quick note to MA..

I for one used to drive for an hour every wednesday to race at PDA, yes it was small but well run and an awesome track. Probably the most welcoming venue I have ever raced at.

No disrespect to anyone else, but getting advice from people like Alec & Tony will give you a brilliant starting point, I just hope you dont expect them to do all the chasing.... its in your interest to make this venture work and these guys could not only help, but give you some credibility, which you really need :eh?:

[mk2kompressor]

A good mate of mine Mr Neil "Skully" Skull knocked up a track design in the end:thumbsup:
its not final but i am after feedback please


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[DaveG28]

Is most of the surface Tarmac?

Looks pretty good, couple of things I'd bear in mind in my view:

1. If jumps are sharp enough for a car to land upside down at speed, put the loose surface there too, a fat upside down crash into Tarmac sounds unhealthy for car and track!

2. Assume the rostrum is at the bottom?

3. With a long straight run up make the wall of death quite high, cos someone will ramp it flat anyway :woot:

4. Very small point, personally I wouldn't narrow up the mountain on the inside like that!

Like it though, would happily race that (tho I have no free weekends and live a few hours away!)

[Neil Skull]

I knocked this up super quick on a cad system not for track design, so apologies for few things not clear.

Matt was hoping to get some racers at the venue for input and ideas but no one came forward. A saw the basic sketch which a very flowing track which would have been on full power for approx 80% so i offered to start this with a cad drawing we can change and modify easy.

So a few points.

Yes the rostrum is at the bottom
The track is 4 meteres wide in most places going down to 3. So it is pretty big track.
The Mountain corner is reduced to 3 metres from 4 this is to make a space for a marshall, i figure most will be in the outer meter anyway.
Jumps can be moved easily and more added.
Oh and yes i agree wall of death needs to be quite high, thats hard to show in 2d :)
Maybe a hop or a rumble strip somewhere in the run up to stop people hitting too fast and landing in the rafters :)

As much input as possible please.

[liam]

More Jumps or even an underpass:thumbsup:

[PTRU]

Hi Neil
if Matt would have liked the imput of the racers or track builders he only had to ask the said people. this may sound strange but people will not come and give imput unless they are asked.

wish you well and the track looks interesting.

[PaulUpton]

There is a very good reason why we didnt turn up last night, im sure Matt is aware of the issue.

Design looks good though.

when is says mountain, i would be more inclined for a corner table top, unless thats what you had in mind anyway

Paul

[Neil Skull]

Hi Neil
if Matt would have liked the imput of the racers or track builders he only had to ask the said people. this may sound strange but people will not come and give imput unless they are asked.

wish you well and the track looks interesting.

Matt did ask, check back in this thread.
A few guys offered to go but could not make it.

Im not really into track design but i was hoping by making a template you can give me pointers as to what we can do to improve the design as it stands.

[Neil Skull]

There is a very good reason why we didnt turn up last night, im sure Matt is aware of the issue.

Design looks good though.

when is says mountain, i would be more inclined for a corner table top, unless thats what you had in mind anyway

Paul

That could be my bad terminology.
its to be a tall corner top type mountain like at petit in maratime last year.

[GRIFF55]

would there be sunday meets with the possibility of a track covering? If the track is good, i would make the trip (as the trumans could vouch):thumbsup:

[blue_pinky]

4m wide sounds huge...and if my counting is any good you have a 40m straight in there too...I wish we had that much space at caldicot!!!

Is 4m based on something fixed in the track area? If not, maybe reduce the width to the same as nationals, not sure of the number (something like 2.5m minimum i think?!? Isn't 1/8th track width 3m?) but sure it's less than 4m, that could feel a little too open maybe?!? You could use the space better for a longer track with a few more turns then!

Keep it fast and flowing with just enough features and you'll be onto a winner!

[Smartalec]

Hi Matt, sorry i couldn't make Monday, as you know i've been in hospital (still there keying this on my iPhone).

Neil's plan looks good, when do you expect to start building jumps etc?

As Dave pointed out, the jumps have to be user friendly to the cars as they are landing on a very hard surface, you need long landing ramps to absorb the shock.

As soon as i escape from here i'll give you a call.

Alec

[mk2kompressor]

no probs Alec, i got the message:)
the track has to be designed for bikes too so the width has to be, we plan on making removable rumble strips and adding wider ones to give reduced width in the future.
this track may be the most flexible in the uk after all this:D

[liam]

just had a look at moto-arena vids on youtube and it looks like it could be an awsome place to run on or off road

its 120 miles from home so not to bad for a day out

[F1END]

Any development on this??

[LeeBurridge]

Was there the weekend before last to watch the pros testing the indoor track. My mate Tom invited me along and it's a great venue. I did overhear some talk about an offroad track - they have a small (overgrown) one out the front but an indoor one would be awesome.

It's only about 30 mins drive from me so I'd be there all the time as long as I could run my 1/8 buggy :)

In the mean time I need to get my TC sorted as the indoor circuit is awesome!

[mattybucks]

Any development on this??

Yeah I went up there on Wednesday night. It's currently being designed at the minute. They hope to get a track for mid November should things go to plan.

When your there you have to have a go on the Mini Z's.

I'm sure the moto arena will release something shortly.

[JCJC]

Just noticed that Taplow has the old jumps from Newbury, these are great indoor jumps and would be a good place to start from if you were thinking of knocking some up :):)

Video's on http://www.vimeo.com/user3419346/videos/sort:date

Banked corner, Crossover/Tabletop............. all come to bits for storage as well.

[Adam F]

Any updates on progress?

[mk2kompressor]

jumps and sections are being designed and built by monday pm

[Danny McGee]

Going back to the track design.

What's the footprint of the space you have for the track?

The drawing that you did looks to me like it may be too fast for off-road with many parts that would just be flat out or close to it.

If your going to be putting two table tops together make sure its NOT possible for people to do them in one. We've come a cropper at worksop building jumps and then when i try them they can be done in one, saving a shed load of time but leading to lots of bits at the end of the day.

Personally I would have a sweeping (ish) first corner, give people more chance in the final rather than just all piling into a hairpin/table top. Maybe put the table top thing as the start of the straight or have it after the first corner.

My two penny worth for now. Good luck with it all, look forward to having a go round.

Danny

[mk2kompressor]

thanks for the advice, im going a bit simpler than the design on this thread to start with,its got to fit in with what we already have

[spenner]

Can the Matt from Moto Arena contact me through PM asap.....

John Spencer

[dale]

More info in the other thread:

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56640&page=2