2wd buggy future predictions anyone?

[ttboyy2k]

Do you think we will see mid-engined 2wd buggies like the x-6 and S-2 buggies being designed for future releases from associated, losi/horizon, and kyosho?

[bigred5765]

who says there not already,
oops did i say that out loud
i heard jimmy had some b5 shots some were but it sworn to secrecy OMG i did it again,

[VintageRacer]

I was thinking we were due for a B5. The T5 was released recently and the B4 appears to be getting on a bit.

Another reason to hold off re-starting the hobby

[Scouser]

Expecting pictures of the HB 2wd any day now. There is already mention of it on their website.

[Gayo]

AE never takes risks with their designs. I don't see them changing their 2WD anytime soon unless
- they get beat at every major race by alternative designs (X-6, S2...)
- light lipo packs become race-legal and mainstream.

I don't have a clue for Tamiya and HB but they seem to like proven designs rather than innovative stuff.

VintageRacer : T5 :confused: Maybe you were refering to the TC5 (Touring car) ?
:)

[Col]

Didn't the B4 just win the worlds?
They might have a design on the go, but (as previously mentioned) can't see AE releasing a new car when the old one is still so good

[bigred5765]

but its never to late to make a good car better

[ashleyb4]

losi/horizon


!!!!!!!!! I never thought ide say this but I sorta have the felling losi dont have a future in 1/10th they dont realy care not enough money in it like 8th.

A

[Col]

but its never to late to make a good car better

True...

[telboy]

Expecting pictures of the HB 2wd any day now. There is already mention of it on their website.

Any links to this? can't seem to find it.

[VintageRacer]

VintageRacer : T5 :confused: Maybe you were refering to the TC5 (Touring car) ?
:)

You're right TC5 is what I meant. If I recall the magazine article correctly, AE changed from shaft to belt drive in this car so maybe they are open to changes? Or were they being beaten by belt drive cars?

[mark christopher]

You're right TC5 is what I meant. If I recall the magazine article correctly, AE changed from shaft to belt drive in this car so maybe they are open to changes? Or were they being beaten by belt drive cars?
tc shows torque steer more, just after going back to belt in a tc they released a shaft 4x4 buggy!!!

[burgie]

I "think" the team xtreme (formerly T.Tech) 2wd car will be a mid motor design...at least that is what Richard implied during a conversation we had about 4 months ago...

[xavi]

Will serpent design a new 2WD with Gerd? How many new 2WD (protos included) we will see next year?
I like to see too many manufacturers in 2WD A finals as 4WD.

Can we see them next year?

Academy
Asso B5?
RB5 upgrade?
X-6 Upgrade?
S2 production?
HB 2WD
TTech 2WD?
Serpent 2WD?
Aero 2WD? Will they think about it?
Tamiya 2WD? Hummm. They must offer more competition support.
Yokomo 2WD? Now asso has 4WD.

Seems to be a dream, but not imposible. Will lipo break electric market sales?

[Northy]

I think it's far easier to make a fast 4wd, rather than a fast 2wd, just look at the Schumacher blade :rolleyes:

G

[DCM]

I don't think you will see anything from the major player (AE) although I reckon there will be more 'conversions' and some new boys jumping on the wagon.

If AE do anything it will be to refine parts rather than a whole new car, the TC5 was needed as the TC4 was just not up to it. But the B4 is still at the top, so would you really change it unless you had something worthwhile to change it to?

academy is shipping there's this month. I don't think you will see something serious from Tamiya as yet.

[Nick Goodall]

Agree on that - the B4's still flying and winning most events out there, the Losi XXX hasn't "really" changed much since 1999 when it came out - just refinements like geometry changes etc, the basic chassis & layout is the same.

It's hard to see any massive improvement or big change to be honest as these mid motor designs obviously aren't a step forward, just an alternative.

I think the days of major changes are gone, the change from RC10 to RC10 B2 was massive and it won comfortably first time out.

Nowadays it seems to be more about refinement then big revolutionary changes (in 2wd at least)!

[Elliott Hopkins]

Only a huge change in track style will yield a change of car.

Although a narrower B4 chassis could be made. But that's nothing.

Elliott.

[rich_cree]

I think it's far easier to make a fast 4wd, rather than a fast 2wd, just look at the Schumacher blade :rolleyes:

G

I reckon its just easier to set up a 4wd than a 2wd.

[Northy]

I reckon its just easier to set up a 4wd than a 2wd.

Mmmm, maybe. :D

[RLGfx]

I reckon its just easier to set up a 4wd than a 2wd.

depends on the 4wd i reckon... the b4 is a very easy car to get a basic setup, but getting the best out of any car takes knowledge, experience and practice.

[mark christopher]

Serpent will make a 2wd car, as and when i carnt say yet

[jimmy]

The B4 needs to be replaced at some point, if only to reinvigorate the sales. If someone makes a car as good and supports it equally as well - then the B4 will lose out big time, since everyone wants the newest stuff.

That said, I think a B4 evolution, or B4.5 is more likely than a whole new car.

[bigred5765]

i heard it was a b4x

[jimmy]

Could be right there Carl! :)

[bigred5765]

i seen something at someones house that i shouldnt have, but im sworn to secrecy, on pain of death,

[millzy]

ive seen some one naked i shouldnt have.....dose that count to any thing?

i think the b4 will be replaced soon, a few things now need up dating i think

[antnee]

will we get a losi xxxx?

[jimmy]

I'm not sure losi give enough of a XXXX to make a XXXX :p:p:p:p

[millzy]

xxxx is a beer so they cant call it that

the losi xxxx. good for putting on bbQ

[antnee]

i think xray should come into 10th offroad, just because you can drive a T2 into a wall and not break it!

[antnee]

also arent schuey supposed to be coming back?

[AndyM]

some1 told me schuey were unvailing their new car at worksop 2 weeks ago?? dno if this was true, or just one of those rumors...im guessing it woz rumours

[MikePimlott]

i seen something at someones house that i shouldnt have, but im sworn to secrecy, on pain of death, bigred5765

ive seen some one naked i shouldnt have.....dose that count to any thing?millzy

You both should have taken pictures. :D

[Northy]

some1 told me schuey were unvailing their new car at worksop 2 weeks ago?? dno if this was true, or just one of those rumors...im guessing it woz rumours

Maybe at the next one ;);)

G

[mattym0310]

X-6 Upgrade?


there is an x6 upgrade coming at the end of the year, hopefully november ive been told. if you read the x factory threads, there will be a 2peice carbon shock tower and the new gen.2 4gear box available aswell

[Northy]

there is an x6 upgrade coming at the end of the year, hopefully november ive been told. if you read the x factory threads, there will be a 2peice carbon shock tower and the new gen.2 4gear box available aswell

What about the new chassis? ;)

[mattym0310]

what new chassis? :confused::eh?:

[Northy]

what new chassis? :confused::eh?:

I've said far too much already..... ;)

[mattym0310]

c'mon northy, spit it out.. we all wonna no :D

[bigred5765]

the narrower tub stile one. yeah i heard about that Northy.

[AndyM]

ooo....whens this comin out??

piccys? :D

[Big E]

Yeah what new chassis?? I'd like to know about that one :o

We have the transmission and a new rear tower etc as stated earlier.

[bigred5765]

u mean u havent been told,

[super__dan]

Seemingly nor have I, I think this is a red herring G!

[MattW]

I actually think some compaines are probably "scared" to have a go at making 2wd cars. I mean if you look at it, basically AE have the market sewn up, as long as their quality doesn't take a massive down turn then they are basically laughing.

So to "break" this dominance is going to take a serious effort, and i'm not sure how much time people are going to put into that.

Also, if you look at 4wd, there are not so many new parts for some compaines to make. Strange idea, but think about it. If thesaid company makes touring cars, then a lot of transmission bits can be carried over.

Also, it's accepted that double deck carbon cars are fine for 4wd - where as 2wd it has alwasy been considdered that you need a mould a tub. I don't think the market is quite in a place where "many" companies have the confidence (see above) to make a new chassis mould. I know there are exeptions, but generally speaking i think this makes it easier for companies to get into 4wd.

[Chrislong]

Hmmm, new chassis? Dan, this smells more like bullpoo than fish.

I wonder.... could it be that AE believe they have peaked with the B4 design? and that Losi know that and have basically given up trying to beat it. Maybe what we'll see is some great innovations from braver companies (X-Factory/Atomic) and little will change from those who don't want to innovate and gamble. Who knows, it may be soon when the big brands realise mid-motor is better and then push the boat out trying to make up on lost time ;)

[bigred5765]

i think dan and chris know a lot more than there letting on

[jimmy]

The stronger they deny, the more there must be in it! :p

[DCM]

The stronger they deny, the more there must be in it! :p

like a double bluff lol

[bigred5765]

lol there no new chassis from x-factory at all,that is a red Herring,
supposed to be take light heartedly, like about 90% OF THIS PAGE

But you can buy the x6 knowing that it will be upto date with the latest available parts currently out there,and a bloody good buy it is to

[Danny McGee]

Who won the 2wd Championship this year.........................???

An how did that team do at the last national? I dont think its quite the end yet.

Danny

[mark christopher]

if mid mounted is better, they why dont i see that format winning everything? or am i not looking!
some one needs to send the conversion to rrci for review!

[Chris Doughty]

Who won the 2wd Championship this year.........................???


A B4 with HB shocks on it??? :eh?:

[andy05]

People keep saying associated wont change a car thats still wining. They have recently replaced the rc10 gt with the rc10 gt2. Dispite the fact that the origional gt was still wining US nationals and infact it had won every US national since it was released! It was a very old desigin much older than the B4 but they still changed a car that was still dominating.

[PaulRotheram]

if mid mounted is better, they why dont i see that format winning everything? or am i not looking!
some one needs to send the conversion to rrci for review!

because no 'big' company (big as in associated.. losi.. etc) want to try a big change in design.

Hopefully they will click on after efforts from smaller companys shows what the mid motor design can do (like ellis has prooved this year showing great performances all round).

[Chrislong]

My average results in 2wd have been far better since changing to the X-6, and I have had my best result ever this year in 2wd. Also same since changing to the X-5 in 4wd but that has been nearly 3 years ago now for me.... so personally, speaking from experience (and honestly without any 'team driver' bias) I really can't justify changing to any of the more popular cars, it'd be foolish considering how much better my results have been since driving X-factory.

Chris

[AndyM]

My average results in 2wd have been far better since changing to the X-6,

ditto:D

[bigred5765]

we too have had are best ever results after changing to x-factory, so no complaints here,

[Danny McGee]

A B4 with HB shocks on it??? :eh?:

Mr Doughtyuk.net :)

You are quite aware about which championship im talking about BRCA.......... for those of you who dont. And to be fair Truhe did a pretty awesome job considering he didnt have that much support. I mean name another losi driver that was at the meeting (worlds) let alone a direct sponsored driver.

In my honest opinion i have tried all of the cars available and i do prefer the Losi, im assuming that it suits my driving style. The B4 was good especially at southport but i did a race with each and i was about 8 seconds quicker with my losi. I've driver an x6 and it felt ok, but it just wasnt my cup of tea. Never driver an S2 but i would imagin i would still prefer my losi. I mean i managed to win the first Schumacher Indoor meeting with it so it cant be that bad.

I know where ill be sticking.

Danny

[Chrislong]

Mr Doughtyuk.net :)

I know where ill be sticking.

Danny

To the Bar then? :D

[ashleyb4]

You tell them danny:D:D:D

I Sorta think Losi is a bit silly as they have the team to win the worlds and they have the car to win the worlds so if they put some effort in and won the worlds imagine the amount of cars they would have sold. but they aint doing anything there just sitting there consentratin on other stuff they need to forward paln to if they have great success with both 1/10th and 8th they will make lots of money which horrizon seems to like. They would have sent bloomers, tricky and danny would have had an ace result and yea truhe did do an ace job for a lone losi driver.

A
Mr Doughtyuk.net :)

You are quite aware about which championship im talking about BRCA.......... for those of you who dont. And to be fair Truhe did a pretty awesome job considering he didnt have that much support. I mean name another losi driver that was at the meeting (worlds) let alone a direct sponsored driver.

In my honest opinion i have tried all of the cars available and i do prefer the Losi, im assuming that it suits my driving style. The B4 was good especially at southport but i did a race with each and i was about 8 seconds quicker with my losi. I've driver an x6 and it felt ok, but it just wasnt my cup of tea. Never driver an S2 but i would imagin i would still prefer my losi. I mean i managed to win the first Schumacher Indoor meeting with it so it cant be that bad.

I know where ill be sticking.

Danny

[tc2k]

You tell them danny:D:D:D

I Sorta think Losi is a bit silly as they have the team to win the worlds and they have the car to win the worlds so if they put some effort in and won the worlds imagine the amount of cars they would have sold. but they aint doing anything there just sitting there consentratin on other stuff they need to forward paln to if they have great success with both 1/10th and 8th they will make lots of money which horrizon seems to like. They would have sent bloomers, tricky and danny would have had an ace result and yea truhe did do an ace job for a lone losi driver.

A

Im not sure how much itd cost to send a team to the worlds, but if it won, I dont think it would sell tons more kits, I wonder if theyd even sell enough due to the win to cover the costs of sending the team there

[Chris Doughty]

And to be fair Truhe did a pretty awesome job considering he didnt have that much support. I mean name another losi driver that was at the meeting (worlds) let alone a direct sponsored driver.

exactly!

there were quite a few drivers at the worlds that had completely free choice of 2WD car, some had factory 4WD rides and no 2WD, some were 'local' japanease drivers.

most ended up running a B4, Travis (who's paint job is on the box of the XXX-CR) had all 3 cars built and ready to run and ended up taking the B4 into the main.

for the record, I don't think there are any 'bad' competition level 2WD cars out there, some suit certain driving styles. I think the B4 is the most balanced car no matter what surface it runs on. minimal setup changes needed between tracks.

[MK999]

all of the innovative cars interest me, I think they're the way forward really, taking leaps and bounds into advancing, it's a risk that most larger companies won't take, since moulds, marketing etc cost a lot of money. So the smaller companies like Team Xtreme, Atomic Carbon, JConcepts, Aero etc are making some really interesting cars imo.

edit: obviously an inexperienced opinion to most, but I think a lot of the current cars from an engineering point of view are following an imperfect template, more weight than is needed, more spread out weight, etc etc.