Team Losi Racing '22'- New 2WD buggy

[jimmy]

Team Losi is dead, long live Team Losi Racing. This all-new 2WD buggy came from nowhere and broke cover only from diligent eyes spotting it on their TLR website - a day before the official press release got sent round.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/news/2201x.jpg


LOSI:
Twenty Two Competition 2 Wheel Drive Buggy Kit:

The all-new TLR “22” 1:10 Electric 2WD Racing buggy redefines the norm and raises thestandard that all 1:10 electric off road racing buggies will be marked by.

For the past few months, the TLR team have quietly been gathering data, testing prototypes andaccruing information about the 1:10 off-road global race scene. The 22 is the result of manymonths of hard work and countless hours and thousands of laps of testing. Testing in the hotsunny climate of Southern California and the wet and often uncompromising weather of the UK,the TLR design team have encouraged and supported input from our global team drivers in thequest to deliver the most complete competition buggy in the world.

Specification:
Type:Electric Race Buggy
Scale:1/10
Length:389mm (15.125")
Width:250mm (9.875")
Wheelbase:284mm-288mm (11.81" - 11.33")
Chassis:2.5mm 7075 T-6 Aluminum
Suspension:Independent
Shock Type:Oil Filled with Bladder Compensation
Drivetrain:3 Gear and 4 Gear Transmission Ball Differential
Wheel Type:Dish
Wheel Diameter:2.2" (55.9mm)
Wheel Width:Rear 38.1mm (1.5"), Front 24.8mm (.980")
Tyre Compound:No tyres included
Spur Gear:76
Gear Pitch:48
Internal Ratio:2.43:1
Kit or RTR: Kit

Features:
01. Mid- and Rear-Motor Option
02. 2.5mm Hard Anodised Aluminium Chassis
03. Adjustable Caster via the Spindle (0, 3, 5, 10°)
04. 12mm Big Bore Aluminium Shock with Bladder Compensator
05. Adjustable Front Kick via Shims
06. All-Metric Hardware
07. Adjustable Spindle Carrier (Inline or Trailing)
08. Gull Wing Suspension Arm Design (Front and Rear)
09. Wide Range or Rear Toe Adjustability
10. Optimised Motor Placement for Balance
11. Simple Repair Bolt-On Camber Blocks
12. Innovative Steering Rack Design
13. 3.5mm Heavy-Duty Turnbuckles
14. Long-Life Titanium Nitrated Hinge Pins
15. Vertical Mounted Ball Studs
16. Optimised Battery Tray to Use Future Battery Technology
17. Dual Disk Slipper Clutch
18. Secure Battery Straps

TLR0022
“Twenty Two” 2 Wheel Drive Race Buggy
£214.99 (RRP in the UK)

http://www.horizonhobby.co.uk/autoonline/j29_tlr/j29_kits/j29_tlr0022_twentytwo/j29_twentytwo.html

[jimmy]

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/news/2201.jpg
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/news/2202.jpg
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/news/2203.jpg

[Nick Goodall]

Great to hear, and that actually looks very cool imo! :thumbsup:

[BenStephenson]

Cool:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Any idea of release date.:D

[Nige]

Looks v.nice, but in mid-motor configuration looks very tight for electrics.

I can see it accepts saddle and stick batteries, anybody know if it accepts 6 cell nimh packs?

:)

[Cooper]

YELLOW WHEELS :woot:

[Reevsey]

Looks v.nice, but in mid-motor configuration looks very tight for electrics.

I can see it accepts saddle and stick batteries, anybody know if it accepts 6 cell nimh packs?

:)

There is space for electrics in mid motor all behind the servo if you use a short stubby servo such as Spektrum/Savox etc. Assuming 6 cell nimh packs are the same size as Lipo stick then in arear motor configuration yes they would fit

Si

[NitroArgi]

:woot:

Sexy...very sexy...me like...me like a lot!

[jasonrcb]

Very nice:thumbsup:

[/tobys]

Have you run one yet Si?

[Reevsey]

Have you run one yet Si?

Was supposed to at EPR on Sunday but i think the snow will put that on hold, may have to do a few laps of the kitchen instead ; - )

[Dunc]

That is a neat looking car.

Does this mean we should expect a new 4wd at some point too...?

[Northy]

Was supposed to at EPR on Sunday but i think the snow will put that on hold, may have to do a few laps of the kitchen instead ; - )

Get an EBOR 24 team sorted quick, that'll test it! :woot:

G

[MHeadling]

Thats looks ace! :thumbsup: Nice to see Losi going back to their roots, not maknig bloody RTR's all the time!

Looks like the took inspiration from the SMR B4 but mid motor!

[GRIFF55]

VERY NICE!!! dear santa............:lol:

[hansie]

Hello all,

What a beautiful car, are all the options needed for both motor positions included in the box?
Are those big bore shocks?
i think I just found my new 2 wd car for next season......

Greetings

Hans

[Body Paint]

That is a neat looking car.

Does this mean we should expect a new 4wd at some point too...?

If you look closely at the front wishbones and front hubs there appears to be room for driveshafts :cool:

It's nice to see Losi back in the game :thumbsup:

[/tobys]

Yes your're right - a bit like the B44...

[area52]

YELLOW WHEELS :woot:

Sexy Wheels! :woot:

:D

[Cooper]

That is a neat looking car.

Does this mean we should expect a new 4wd at some point too...?

No that probably still is property of Durango :D.

[Reevsey]

Hello all,

What a beautiful car, are all the options needed for both motor positions included in the box?
Are those big bore shocks?
i think I just found my new 2 wd car for next season......

Greetings

Hans

Yes all parts are in the kit you need to run either inboard or out board, Shocks are also big boar shocks
Si

[Gayo]

Velcro straps FTW :thumbsup:

[Chrislong]

Thats looks fecking bang on, like it.

[daz]

There will be alot of cougars coming up for sale me thinks:lol:

[MHeadling]

Those shocks will go nicely on my X6!

[russmini]

Due out just around when i'll be looking for a new car. And it looks sexy as hell ! Shame to run both configurations, you'd have to have saddle packs, but i'll be looking for a new LiPo as well, so all Good :D

[Delves]

HHUK Promotional video link, hope you all like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drhoRBh2BGw

[blue_pinky]

Have to say that looks pretty nice!

Does have some hints of Durango in it...and hints of Thomas P's slim B4 in it too...goes to show nothing is truely original these days ;)

Anyway, whoever has been involved in it, good work Losi for putting it out there!

I've lost count of how many brand new cars (rather than updates) have been let loose on us in the last couple of years...has 10th offroad always been this prolific?

EDIT: One thing I have just noticed is that steering rack...not convinced about that one yet...but will happily be convinced if it proves to be any good.

[Garry]

New logo, new car, is TLR the same Losi that is making RTR cars, or a new racing division (like how HPI have Hot Bodies for racing)?

[sosidge]

New logo, new car, is TLR the same Losi that is making RTR cars, or a new racing division (like how HPI have Hot Bodies for racing)?

Something is definitely afoot... might be a while before we find out what it is though!

[Chrislong]

Theyve really thought about this, I was curious as just by turning the gearbox the motor rotation would be wrong - like the early 3 gear X-6. But Losi state it has 3 gear gearbox for rear-motor and 4 gear gearbox for when mid-motor, so this is optimized for both configurations - all parts included in the kit too.... I hope im reading it right, but if so, great work TL!! :thumbsup:

[Delves]

New logo, new car, is TLR the same Losi that is making RTR cars, or a new racing division (like how HPI have Hot Bodies for racing)?

Losi is the RTR devision and TLR (Team Losi Racing) is as the name suggest the racing side of the company.

[niggs98]

Was supposed to at EPR on Sunday but i think the snow will put that on hold, may have to do a few laps of the kitchen instead ; - )

indoors at silverstone on sat if interested m8. with the weather at the mo it is the best i can sudgest ;)

[Dunc]

Well spotted!

If you look closely at the front wishbones and front hubs there appears to be room for driveshafts :cool:

[area52]

That is a neat looking car.

Does this mean we should expect a new 4wd at some point too...?

I am quite sure they have a (Durango-ish?) 4WD car in the making as the the historic XX-4 and not-less-historic XXX-4 are no options anymore.

[GRIFF55]

Superb video on youtube there guys, nice work losi:thumbsup:
Pre order done!!!!

[jameswilkinson7]

Another vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_YxKA06P24

[Reevsey]

indoors at silverstone on sat if interested m8. with the weather at the mo it is the best i can sudgest ;)

Can't make i am afraid as the full size car is going in for a service on saturday!! but some where on Sunday would be good if i can find some where with no snow :woot:

[feniks]

let it be a all new XX4 than with stronger wichbones and drive train.

[area52]

let it be a all new XX4 than with stronger wichbones and drive train.

The 22's front wishbones look very 1/8-scale-ish!

http://www.area52.cc/images/stories/autos/content2010/content122010/content02122010/complete-kit.jpg
(http://www.area52.cc/images/stories/autos/content2010/content122010/content02122010/complete-kit.jpg)

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Thats my 2wd sorted for next year that looks the dogs.:thumbsup:

[slow bob]

:drool: My pre order is in already

[FloFlo]

Hi

Price for the - Losi 22 will be 269 $ .

Best wishes .

[styleone]

My head is gonna pop!! well done Losi...looks the nuts...mid motor and rear mounted? briiliant....what will Atomic Carbon supply as a conversion? who knows what will happen....:woot:

[area52]

what will Atomic Carbon supply as a conversion? who knows what will happen....:woot:

Front wheel, front motor conversion. :D

[/tobys]

Can't make i am afraid as the full size car is going in for a service on saturday!! but some where on Sunday would be good if i can find some where with no snow :woot:

Broxtowe is scheduled to be on...

[basey]

Has thir been any news of a 4wd yet defo getting a order in 4the 2wd it looks the nuts

[Somerwil]

I just pre-ordered! Great news!

I still race my Losi XX4 and i think it's still a very good car. If Losi decides to come up with a new 4WD car I hope it'll be like a more durable and bullet proof XX4 with some slight improvements in handling.

M

[Rebelrc]

New bench mark set!:thumbsup:
up another level all other manufacturers lol:woot:
It looks ace TLR

[Garry]

DMS have the first batch listed for £190.95.

[Darren Boyle]

To clarify Garry, that price is for every batch (including those beyond our first delivery) in case anyone gets confused, this will also remain our price when the VAT goes up to 20%.

Before anyone says, yes we do charge postage (£6.50 by Next Day UPS) but that still keeps us keenly priced, plus if you collect from our store you pay no postage anyway :thumbsup:

We have the full spares and parts list in hand and expect this to be online shortly in the next day or two also so people can gauge what they may or may not require to go with the car

[ashleyb4]

All this waiting has paid off when you got them coming in darren???


A

[Rebelrc]

I have an Andys RC10 conversion for the old gold tub from the late 80s that uses a similar steering rack and it still works perfectly now:thumbsup:...does anyone remember that car? it is ultra rare

[mark christopher]

fully metric too.......

[ashleyb4]

Im also suprises its metric.

A

[mrspeedy]

I have an Andys RC10 conversion for the old gold tub from the late 80s that uses a similar steering rack and it still works perfectly now:thumbsup:...does anyone remember that car? it is ultra rare

Got mine in the attic awaiting a re-build :thumbsup: obviously with a Hydra-drive ... ;)

I was gonna say the last time I had a Losi buggy was the JRX2 !! seems about time I bought another :thumbsup:

[Rebelrc]

I thought the andys car was pre hydra drive and used the asso 6 gear tranny ...mine did

[mikeyscott]

I'll be getting my XXCR Kinwald back out with brushless and custom rude bits battery brace :) again

Just need to source some Trakpower 3600 LIPOs :)

[GRIFF55]

another cool vid here.
www.rccaraction.com (http://www.rccaraction.com)

[Darren Boyle]

All this waiting has paid off when you got them coming in darren???


A

Taking pre-orders now mate (they have been flooding in all day)

First batch is expected in the UK in February :thumbsup:

[burniburn]

Ahhhh..........noooooohhhh.......February only...???

Anyway: on sale the below 2WD article now.

[Spoolio]

It's not fair, I'm trying to give up spending money on "toys", but so much temptation. I. Don't. Know. How. Long. I. Can. Resist. Must look away. NOW. Nah, sod it, I'm havin' one.

On another note, is this related to the stillborn Hot Bodies D2 at all, noting the ally chassis and plastic sidepods etc?

[Body Paint]

Has anyone else thought how awesome that will look with a carbon tub on it.... COUGH... Jonathan.... COUGH :lol:

[mikeyscott]

Hopefully they'll have some decent team support as currently I reckon the X Factory and Schumacher brands are prob the best for trackside assistance etc.

[Chrislong]

DMS have the first batch listed for £190.95.

JEspares listing it at £189.99. :thumbsup: Main thing is, support the UK shops! :thumbsup:

[DCM]

whens the release date?

[Chrislong]

February is stated, so they must be confident of it.

[c0sie]

Nice looking Durang-osi :)

[Col]

Did I see the vid correctly? Hex fitment on the rear wheels?

[Gnarly Old Dog]

Yup - it might be a bit of a departure and thus a shock but at least they'll be no more wrecked rims when the rim isn't seated properly on the drive pin...

[MrWolf808]

just watched most of the videos listed here, it does look good. i think for over here the mid mounted motor is going too work well, but even looking at it rear mounted it looks stable, chassis made of aluminium keeping the c of g low.
well thought out design too, shame about having too change too saddles too run it mid mounted though.
but saying that, it does look good. i like the idea of being able too have a complete rear end set up and just change from one too the other. indoor and outdoor setup anyone. :thumbsup:
never run a losi before, always disliked the idea of having too change too imperial so this looks like a superb option. always on the lookout for something new, and a little different, so it looks like its time for the cougar too go too the great zoo and be replaced. roll on february.
and one more thing, slowbob, i cant believe your thinking of dumping the x6 already, it barely turned a wheel. lol :p

[Chrislong]

The rear hex can be removed and add a washer to use conventional pinned wheels - thats what one of the vids said. Front wheels though are unique to the car and different offset to current XXX-CR - new wheels for this car.... again I could have missunderstood something, thats how I understood it.

[wes j.]

I suppose this explains why there's so many cr2's popping up for sale. I can't get over the price seems to good to be true, and a good looking buggy :wub:thumbsup:.

[pat*1]

Well im going to get one as i cant seem to get on with my new cougar....

[Danosborne6661]

Anyone want to buy a cougar? :D

[mro_racing aka Doorbell]

Nice looking Durang-osi :)

indeed it does

[MRD]

It does look too good to be true, so versatile and a bit of a looker too. Only two things concern me tho, One is the steering rack and the other is circlips on the hinge pins, but if its been tested and it all works great then I think I can forgive them :thumbsup:.

I recon by next year all new RC products will be metric so its good to see Losi is starting the push.

[mikeyscott]

Darren Bloomfield for 1/10th next year?

[Holeshot]

Wow, didnt expect this from Losi, that is beautiful. 1st decent thing to come out frpm Losi since Horizon took over.

[Holeshot]

Nice looking Durang-osi :)

Durango dont have a 2wd buggy.

[mof]

Durango dont have a 2wd buggy.

Except of course the prototype.

[Rebelrc]

PrototypeS!:thumbsup:
slider steering racks are ace and no bother...nothing to be worried about there.:)

[Delves]

In all the testing Andy and David have done with the car (and trust me they have done a fair few laps) the steering rack has worked perfectly :)

[nsr250_repsol]

Very Nice! All Metric is a BIG plus. The Alloy chassis is very nice also. It should keep the CG low and minimize the need for tons of lead weights. I have been an AE guy for almost 15yrs now but this is reason enough to jump ship. I do hope AE will come up with something to compair.

[blue_pinky]

:woot:Has anyone else thought how awesome that will look with a carbon tub on it.... COUGH... Jonathan.... COUGH :lol:

Yep! Was about my 3rd thought, right after...that looks pretty awesome actually, can't beleive it's a losi...and...what's that steering rack thingy about?

I must have been hanging around with all you Atomic Carbon types for too long! Would look even more awesomer (I know that's not a word but you get the idea) :thumbsup:

[Nick Goodall]

Very Nice! All Metric is a BIG plus. The Alloy chassis is very nice also. It should keep the CG low and minimize the need for tons of lead weights. I have been an AE guy for almost 15yrs now but this is reason enough to jump ship. I do hope AE will come up with something to compair.

I'm sure if it starts beating the B4 they will have something up their sleeve, but they would have probably been working on it for a few years with the luxuary of not having to rush it - Sure they'll bring out something quickly if it's needed :D

[MHeadling]

From Todd Hodge on Rc Tech:

Unfortunately and Jr. left the company before we started on this design of the new 2wd car. I wish he was at TLR to be a part of it as he was great to work with and I truly miss those days. The 22 was designed from the ground up with input from myself, Dan Hissam, Jukka Steenari, Mike Truhe, Billy Fischer, Matt Chambers, Dustin Evans, and a few others. Dan Hissam was the man behind the PC doing all the CAD work with input from Brent Redlin, Jukka Steenari and myself as he created this masterpiece. As a team, I feel we have done an impressive job with the design of the 22 and I am excited to see it in the hands of the consumer.

2/22/11 sounds like a good release date. http://www.rctech.net/forum/classic_images/smilies/sneaky.gif We are working diligently on getting the car to market and it will be out in the 1st quarter of 2011.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

Its cool Steenari has been working on it, should be ace! :thumbsup:<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Jamie.T]

I'm sure if it starts beating the B4 they will have something up their sleeve, but they would have probably been working on it for a few years with the luxuary of not having to rush it - Sure they'll bring out something quickly if it's needed :D

Over in the US there is massive talks and speculation of an Associated B5. Apparently its due out before the Losi 22 ??

I asked Ryan Maifield last month whilst at the SRS raceway in AZ, and although he didnt confirm anything, he didnt deny it either.

We shall wait and see.

[OldTimer]

Has anyone else thought how awesome that will look with a carbon tub on it.... COUGH... Jonathan.... COUGH :lol:

Maybe ;) need to get my hands on a 22 1st to have a good look over it.

Would be nice to go with the other new tubbed car.

[Twister]

LOSI BIG BORES!:drool::drool::thumbsup:

[Jamie.T]

Ooooh Jonathan, you tease. lol

Im assuming tub chassis Rango, am i close??

[Twister]

Maybe ;) need to get my hands on a 22 1st to have a good look over it.

Would be nice to go with the other new tubbed car.

Carbon is gold.. get to work oldtimer.. and ill rob the atm. :thumbsup:

[blue_pinky]

Over in the US there is massive talks and speculation of an Associated B5. Apparently its due out before the Losi 22 ??

I asked Ryan Maifield last month whilst at the SRS raceway in AZ, and although he didnt confirm anything, he didnt deny it either.

We shall wait and see.

Although I know nothing about AE's plans, I'd say a 'B5', whatever stage of development it's at, is a fair way from being released right now.

The B4.1 and B44.1 are just released, and by the looks of the few parts I've seen, they've invested in a fair amount of money and time in developing those recently. The development/manufacturing/marketing push needed for the B5 will surely not happen this close to the release of those...strategically that'd be a complete waste...unless the new parts are common?

My guess would be Associated are at a different point in their development cycle...the .1's are an intermediate release to keep things moving along, but I suspect that a better time to keep an eye open for a B5 would be this time next year! That way they aren't competing with the release of the Losi which will reduce their immediate selling potential...they'll have had time to sus out the competition and see how it's gone for losi.

That way we'll all be selling '22's' and buying B5's instead!

I could be completely wrong mind you...maybe AE have money to burn, time on their hands and a B5 waiting to launch at any moment ;)

[GRIFF55]

I think 1/1/11 would be an awesome release date (22!!)
Mmmmmmmmm, carbon tub goodness!!:thumbsup:

[reg]

i think 1/12/2010 would have been better:thumbsup:

[peetbee]

The B4.1 and B44.1 are just released, and by the looks of the few parts I've seen, they've invested in a fair amount of money and time in developing those recently. The development/manufacturing/marketing push needed for the B5 will surely not happen this close to the release of those...strategically that'd be a complete waste...unless the new parts are common?


Or..... Thunder Tiger could use the B4.1 instead of the Phoenix and we can all have a B5 soon :wub

[c0sie]

The 22 has to prove itself against the B4.1 yet (UK and overseas).....
Dont write AE off just yet.

[MikePimlott]

:thumbsup: something else for me to try :woot:

[MatJohnson]

You not ordered on yet Mike or does none of us from Oz need a car off you yet :)

[Chrislong]

Mike, you should autograph and number each car!! They'll be collectible :D

[Dave Dodd]

Well im going to get one as i cant seem to get on with my new cougar....

you just let me know if you decide to get one :D

[wouter.z]

Anybody noticed the steering rack system??? Its a slide system, looks like dirt can enter it and maybe even jamm it. At least there will be a lot of wear.

[MHeadling]

Yes Wouter the steering rack has been discussed on this thread, it seems people are liking the system and from what I have read on RC tech the Losi guys have been testing on dusty 8th tracks and no problems with dirt etc binding steering.

If you look in Rc car action website photos of the 22 they have put small slots in the rack to allow dirt/dust to come out.

I'm sure Losi have got this well thought out!

[Gnarly Old Dog]

Wouter,
I'll admit that they were similar thoughts when I first saw the prototype a while back but it hasn't been a problem in testing to date.
The rack materials have been carefully chosen and the rack features grooves that are designed to help clear it of any debris.

The testing we've done over here has certainly not shown it to be an issue - that area of the car remains fairly clean anyway.

[mikeyscott]

Wouter,
I'll admit that they were similar thoughts when I first saw the prototype a while back but it hasn't been a problem in testing to date.
The rack materials have been carefully chosen and the rack features grooves that are designed to help clear it of any debris.

The testing we've done over here has certainly not shown it to be an issue - that area of the car remains fairly clean anyway.

So who has the testing team been? ;)

[Darren Boyle]

It says further back in the thread, Andy Carter (Gnarly Old Dog) and Dave Spashett over "here" on top of 5 or 6 of the US team over "there"

[mikeyscott]

It says further back in the thread, Andy Carter (Gnarly Old Dog) and Dave Spashett over "here" on top of 5 or 6 of the US team over "there"

Heard Spashett mentioned, but didn't know Gnarly Old Dog is Andy Carter...

Wonder who else will be signed up

[spindles69]

You've obviously not met Andy face to face, you would know why he is called "Gnarly old dog":p

[Darren Boyle]

Heard Spashett mentioned, but didn't know Gnarly Old Dog is Andy Carter...

Wonder who else will be signed up

You asked who had been testing it, as far as who has "signed up", Bloomy will be campaigning the car hard as well as Si Reeves too, plus of course any other recruites they pick up and obtain as they go along too.......

[mikeyscott]

Sounds great. So both for 1/10th nationals in 2011. Fingers crossed, once again hopefully another great year for 1/10th off road

[Gnarly Old Dog]

Whilst it's true that we (the TLR Horizon UK 1:10 off-road team) lost some of our high profile and long serving team drivers at the end of the 2010 national season to other teams (and to which we have always wished them well in their future endeavours), contrary to popular belief we did manage to retain some of our drivers and even recruited some newer members to the team - even before the announcement of the TLR22. Details of the team can be found on the team pages of our website www.horizonhobby.co.uk
I am confident that we have a good basis of young (apart from me that is:woot:), talented drivers who will ensure good support and helpful advice to anyone driving a TLR product in 2011.

What is often overlooked sometimes is that we also have a very talented group of ex 1:10 drivers who have been concentrating on the company's 1:8 program in recent years and so it is more than possible that any of our drivers may enjoy driving more than one discipline should calendars and priorities allow.
Darren (Bloomfield) is one such driver who I have enormous respect for and will enjoy working with should the opportunity arise.

[Holeshot]

Very Nice! All Metric is a BIG plus. The Alloy chassis is very nice also. It should keep the CG low and minimize the need for tons of lead weights. I have been an AE guy for almost 15yrs now but this is reason enough to jump ship. I do hope AE will come up with something to compair.

It took AE that long just to bring out a 4WD buggy and yet had to get someone else to do it for them :p

[Holeshot]

From Todd Hodge on Rc Tech:

Unfortunately and Jr. left the company before we started on this design of the new 2wd car. I wish he was at TLR to be a part of it as he was great to work with and I truly miss those days. The 22 was designed from the ground up with input from myself, Dan Hissam, Jukka Steenari, Mike Truhe, Billy Fischer, Matt Chambers, Dustin Evans, and a few others. Dan Hissam was the man behind the PC doing all the CAD work with input from Brent Redlin, Jukka Steenari and myself as he created this masterpiece. As a team, I feel we have done an impressive job with the design of the 22 and I am excited to see it in the hands of the consumer.

2/22/11 sounds like a good release date. http://www.rctech.net/forum/classic_images/smilies/sneaky.gif We are working diligently on getting the car to market and it will be out in the 1st quarter of 2011.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

Its cool Steenari has been working on it, should be ace! :thumbsup:<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Sweet, nice to see Jukka still in there. Hopefully he is helping with a new 4WD aswell. Got an email from LPH saying ETA Feb

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[Nige]

I've not read any mention of a servo saver, so is this thing going to break servos on a regular basis? :eh?:

[Gnarly Old Dog]

There are a lot of people who already run cars either without servo savers or with them glued up. The 22 won't break servos any faster than any other install that uses a direct steering link. Besides, the steering horn is composite - with the holding torque of most digital servos, I think you're more likely to damage the spline in the horn before you chew the gears or worse in the servo.

All the testing we've done over here has been with the new Spektrum S6070 low profile servo and we've not damaged the servos to date.
I won't say that it can't or won't happen - but it's no different to many B4 owners who have glued up their servo saver since day 1.

[Ross]

A vid of one racing in the states, you cant see much....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBoWb6RlJH0&feature=player_embedded#!

[mikeyscott]

Indeed, I haven't broken servos in my SV or SX, just horns with savox 1257/1258 servos. Not too often thankfully.

Never had a prob either with my glued saver when I had a b4

Will be ordering one of those spektrum servos after Christmas.

[sly]

Spektrum S6070 low profile servo.

Not bad specs on that servo that the team is using.

My Question to the team is when is Horizon and spektrum going to make a stick transmitter for cars?

[Gnarly Old Dog]

The guys in the states have been using full sized spektrum servos but we were able to obtain a couple of early samples of the new servo and wanted to prove that we could get all the radio install onto the chassis plate ahead of the cells.

Tough task - especially as we were packaging the Castle Mamba Max Pro ESC which is not known for its small footprint - but we managed it :)

[David Church]

Just looked at the team drivers for 1/10, nigel buck's photo is awesome:D

[mikeyscott]

The guys in the states have been using full sized spektrum servos but we were able to obtain a couple of early samples of the new servo and wanted to prove that we could get all the radio install onto the chassis plate ahead of the cells.

Tough task - especially as we were packaging the Castle Mamba Max Pro ESC which is not known for its small footprint - but we managed it :)

Any pics of your machine ;)

[Southwell]

Late christmas present me thinks. :drool:

[LRP]

i think im going to be pre-ordering 1 , wish it was already avialable could do with treating myself for xmass

[mikeyscott]

Seriously tempted to sell my SV now and take the XXCR Kinwald to Petit, just a question of whether it'll be strong enough!

Failing that the SV will go after Petit I think...

[Holeshot]

I've not read any mention of a servo saver, so is this thing going to break servos on a regular basis? :eh?:

From Todd Hodge
This car will not have a servo saver included. It is a pure bred race vehicle and with today's high end servos we are confident that this is fine. During all of our testing with many drivers we never failed a servo or broke a steering arm or rack. Many racers lock their servo savers down anyways.

[Darren Boyle]

Unless the description is wrong, there is one in the parts list...

[Holeshot]

Hope alot of testing has been done with the servo's. Servo's & Losi haven't gone to well to together. How many servo's did the Losi 8IGHT chew through? (although that wasn't a servo saver problem)

[davidka]

Spektrum S6070 low profile servo.

Not bad specs on that servo that the team is using.

My Question to the team is when is Horizon and spektrum going to make a stick transmitter for cars?

Still can't figure out how guys use stick radios. It's a car, turn a wheel. :p I know, to each their own.

I'm not crazy about the no servo saver thing either. There are a variety of on-servo savers, I just hope they'll fit. The car is looking really good at the Spektrum race in Wisconsin, US.

Maybe with this, we Yanks will figure out how to get a mid-motor car to work for us. It's a superior format and for some reason we're stuck on the VW bug format.

[HyperFX]

Spektrum Championships

(After 4 rounds of quals)

Mod Buggy, TQ, Evans, TLR 22.
Mod SC, TQ, Evans, XXX SCT.
Mod Truck, TQ, Chambers, XXXT CR.

Mains start at 7am.

Watch at LiveRC.com

[Slimboyfat]

Steel turnbuckles, or am I seeing things? I'd kill those just doing my Uri Geller impression let alone in race situation.

But for me - Im a Losi guy, My lucky number is 22 (no joke) and if the release date is to be believed at this point 22/2/11....that would be my birthday......SOLD.

[Southwell]

But for me - Im a Losi guy, My lucky number is 22.

Haha, so is mine!

[R666REW]

Seriously tempted to sell my SV now and take the XXCR Kinwald to Petit, just a question of whether it'll be strong enough!

Failing that the SV will go after Petit I think...

does ur misses know how many cars u buy mikey, the newest car out doesnt mean it gonna be the best it the driver that maters :woot:

[mikeyscott]

does ur misses know how many cars u buy mikey, the newest car out doesnt mean it gonna be the best it the driver that maters :woot:

Yes she does :)

It's not out until Feb, so we'll see. Always loved Losi though, but that is down to have a XX years ago with hydra drive etc.

[Apricot Slice]

Awesome!
Cant wait to see what they come up with for a 4WD.

does this mean that yellow wheels are slightly less gay now?

[David Church]

[QUOTE=

does this mean that yellow wheels are slightly less gay now?[/QUOTE]


In a word "NO" !!!!!!

[reg]

yellow wheels are the way forward:p

[David Church]

yellow wheels are the way forward:p

"GAY"

[Gnarly Old Dog]

I have it on good authority (and not Welsh Authority I may add) that yellow wheels are race wheels and white wheels are practice ones.

This newfound revelation may explain why I'm so slow these days:cry:

[Holeshot]

Awesome!
Cant wait to see what they come up with for a 4WD.

does this mean that yellow wheels are slightly less gay now?

lol, until they bring out a special kit with blue or red or someother color.

[GRIFF55]

Hey DC, you know yellow is the way to win! thats the welsh authority right there gnarly!! lol
So Glad it will be coming with two sets, this way i might get a load cheap off peeps who will only run the white:p

(i might be changing to white soon....shhhhhhhhh)

[reg]

"GAY"


:woot:"turd":woot:

[Origineelreclamebord]

Nice car, but it seems to me as though they are heavily inspired by the Durango DEX210 (and perhaps the Durango brand/designs as a whole too). The aluminum plate and the side pods, the front kick up in the plate and the varying depth of the plate (DNX408 style), the reversible gearbox design, the centered saddle pack layout, front shock tower (cross/x-shape), mounting of the front upper arms, and I bet if you give me a manual you'd see many details in the structure sort of referring to other cars they took the ideas from.

You could say it's a rip off - and in a way that's a bit sad - But every brand does it. However, to me there's not much wrong with that unless it's to such an extent that manufacturers get of course, get blinded and stop innovating (because they are afraid to do something radical and new).

I think it's a clever move of Losi to pick up the ideas of the DEX210 quickly - as they are great ideas :)

[GRIFF55]

myself looking at it think it looks inspired by the losi 8? (chassis wise)
either way, sexy car!

[Chrislong]

It's a superior format and for some reason we're stuck on the VW bug format.

Think of Porsche 911 vs Porsche Cayman, thats more the mid vs rear comparison id use. In which case 911 wins for me.

[Si Coe]

All the ideas on this car have appeared before somewhere else (ie not the DEX210).
The chassis may be a lot like Durango's, but its also like virtually every single 1/8th from a long time before the Durango.
You could get switchable mid/rear gearbox conversions for RC10's in the late '80's.
So it need not be a copy of the Durango. And even if it is, who's fault is that? If a company chooses to show off its prototypes years before it puts them into production they shouldn't be surprised if someone else gets there first!

[Holeshot]

Nice car, but it seems to me as though they are heavily inspired by the Durango DEX210 (and perhaps the Durango brand/designs as a whole too). The aluminum plate and the side pods, the front kick up in the plate and the varying depth of the plate (DNX408 style), the reversible gearbox design, the centered saddle pack layout, front shock tower (cross/x-shape), mounting of the front upper arms, and I bet if you give me a manual you'd see many details in the structure sort of referring to other cars they took the ideas from.

You could say it's a rip off - and in a way that's a bit sad - But every brand does it. However, to me there's not much wrong with that unless it's to such an extent that manufacturers get of course, get blinded and stop innovating (because they are afraid to do something radical and new).

I think it's a clever move of Losi to pick up the ideas of the DEX210 quickly - as they are great ideas :)

Same thing happened with the bj4/b44 and whatever the hot bodies buggy was.

[Origineelreclamebord]

Same thing happened with the bj4/b44 and whatever the hot bodies buggy was.

I know, it happens pretty much everywhere :) And in case of the B44, one could say that the TRF502X is also 'a bit' like it.

To a certain degree it's good to use each others ideas. Actually, situations like these could speed up innovation a lot - Something that seems to happen in the 2WD scene. In the last few years, many brands (re-) entered the 2WD competition scene, which I really like (2WD rocks! :lol:) - some brands are trying pretty wild ideas compared to how the changes to these cars in the years before that - There is diversion, they are looking closely at developments of one another, and eventually the cars will become closer to each other in design. Some brands may disappear again - until someone turns up with an interesting prototype again, stirring up everything again :)

(Or at least - that's what I'm thinking right now - I haven't really woken up yet).

[Crazy L]

nice car, yellow wheels are gay

Short, but to the point methinks:)

[ryanlownie]

The speculations of this car being a Durango rip-off/copy are very very wild. Those thinking they've bought Durango's ideas, that's just funny!

Yeah, there are always going to be buggies with the same features on but it doesn't make them a rip-off.

I can tell you that the Xray 808, DNX408 and Agama buggies all have "copies" of the Losi 8IGHT front suspension parts, does that make them a rip off too?

[Nick Goodall]

Think of Porsche 911 vs Porsche Cayman, thats more the mid vs rear comparison id use. In which case 911 wins for me.

Yeah but if you gave both cars an LSD and took away all of the stupidly clever electronics keeping the 911 on the road, i think the Cayman would actually be quicker on track :D

[Garry]

The speculations of this car being a Durango rip-off/copy are very very wild. Those thinking they've bought Durango's ideas, that's just funny!



I don't even see a link to Durango. The last version of the Durango 2WD protoype I saw was a carbon fibre chassis rather than alloy.

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/DurangoDEX210-8.jpg

[Matt Trimmings]

Nice car, but it seems to me as though they are heavily inspired by the Durango DEX210 (and perhaps the Durango brand/designs as a whole too). The aluminum plate and the side pods, the front kick up in the plate and the varying depth of the plate (DNX408 style), the reversible gearbox design, the centered saddle pack layout, front shock tower (cross/x-shape), mounting of the front upper arms, and I bet if you give me a manual you'd see many details in the structure sort of referring to other cars they took the ideas from.

You could say it's a rip off - and in a way that's a bit sad - But every brand does it. However, to me there's not much wrong with that unless it's to such an extent that manufacturers get of course, get blinded and stop innovating (because they are afraid to do something radical and new).

I think it's a clever move of Losi to pick up the ideas of the DEX210 quickly - as they are great ideas :)

If you read more about the design aspect of this car and how long it has been worked on you will see that they started over 18 months ago, when you search 'Durango 2wd' one of the first links is from redrc.net showing prototype pictures of the durango, this was posted on January 15th 2010. In early to mid 2009 there were team drivers testing prototype front ends that incorporated many of the designs used in the 22 as well as a custom longer chassis. The lead designer on the 22, Dan Hissam, is one of the smartest guys in the industry when it comes to the design aspect. so to say that TLR is a copy of the durango is a bit stretched...The chassis design is taken from the 8ight, and there are many more design influences that have taken place in the last 18-24 months.

I know you are not the only one saying this but it gets old after a while.

[Matt Trimmings]

Also great first showing for the new car at the Spektrum Race in Wisconsin at Trackside Hobbies. TLR Team Driver Dustin Evans TQ'ing and Winning the first 2 A Mains over some of AE's heavy hitters.

[Origineelreclamebord]

If you read more about the design aspect of this car and how long it has been worked on you will see that they started over 18 months ago, when you search 'Durango 2wd' one of the first links is from redrc.net showing prototype pictures of the durango, this was posted on January 15th 2010. In early to mid 2009 there were team drivers testing prototype front ends that incorporated many of the designs used in the 22 as well as a custom longer chassis. The lead designer on the 22, Dan Hissam, is one of the smartest guys in the industry when it comes to the design aspect. so to say that TLR is a copy of the durango is a bit stretched...The chassis design is taken from the 8ight, and there are many more design influences that have taken place in the last 18-24 months.

I know you are not the only one saying this but it gets old after a while.

Thanks for the update, I didn´t know that :o I thought the XXX-CR was pretty recent, and never heard about prototypes and developments from Losi... I guess I should watch Oople a little more then :)

[Holeshot]

Thanks for the update, I didn´t know that :o I thought the XXX-CR was pretty recent, and never heard about prototypes and developments from Losi... I guess I should watch Oople a little more then :)

XXXCR been out for 4-5 years now I think. Losi himself was probably even there before he went to Kyosho. If Losi have been working on this buggy for the last 18 - 24 months then they have done a really good job keeping it hidden. A XXX-4 CR would of been nice a few years ago or some updates for the tied out XXX4.

[Holeshot]

For those after a laugh, check out this Report - http://www.bigsquidrc.com/the-cub-report-12-06-2010-version-hey-look-the-22-just-showed-up

[russmini]

What a top report.... Not.

Well, it does say, for Bashers at the top, so why would they even consider it any good... It's a race bred machine and thats where it'll be, at the Races...

:thumbsup:

[Holeshot]

I don't even see a link to Durango. The last version of the Durango 2WD protoype I saw was a carbon fibre chassis rather than alloy.

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/DurangoDEX210-8.jpg

I think it was due to the mid & rear motor mounting and when they saw the aluminum chassis everyone started thinking about the dex410 aluminum chassis and assumed the dex210 was/has an aluminum chassis aswell.

[Origineelreclamebord]

I think it was due to the mid & rear motor mounting and when they saw the aluminum chassis everyone started thinking about the dex410 aluminum chassis and assumed the dex210 was/has an aluminum chassis aswell.

Well, The Losi aluminum chassis is not in a flashy colour, which (although the Losi chassis don't seem to flashy) is a surprise to me. It´s colour reminded me a lot of the champagne colour of Durango, and it´s pretty close, though the Losi plate seems more gray.

Together with the mid+rear motor mounting, and shapes in the side pods and body shell just reminded me of some Durango design features a lot - even when the DEX210 has a carbon plate, and the DEX410 is 4WD :)

[Mr. Red]

The car to Catch....Catch 22;)

[sparrow.2]

I think the car looks fantastic right down to the yellow wheels!

As for the copycat discussion yes it does look like the developers have had some of the same ideas as the Durango developers but the cues are taken more from the 1/8th scale cars in both cases.
Concerning the colour of the anodizing there are only so many colours you can hard-anodize aluminium as the process dictates the colour as opposed to colour anodizing.

I have been taking a bit of a break from RC lately but this thing really makes me want to give it another go! the shell looks fantastic and I bet you can get the speedo down lower too with a bit of ingenious tetris and wiring.

So nice to see that Losi is back with a vengeance!

[Chrislong]

Yeah but if you gave both cars an LSD and took away all of the stupidly clever electronics keeping the 911 on the road, i think the Cayman would actually be quicker on track :D

Horses for courses. Dry track probably close, Wet track 911 faster on traction, Cayman faster into and through apex..

Id prefer a Cayman, but my choice is based on looks.

[AndyG]

also, something not yet mentioned - you will need different 'cuts' of the shell to suit each config by the looks, as the mid motor config needs an extra cut out for the gear cover.

Guessing it doesn't come with 2 shells :p

[Mr. Red]

Get two cars. One for spares and two complete trannys for easy switching between mid/rear configuration. Never wrong to have a doble set och shocks either for testing new setups. Two different cut bodies and so on.
I Will get two cars anyway.

[Darren Boyle]

There is only the one body in the kit and yes it does require cutting differently for mid motor and rear motor layouts.

But to be fair to Losi the body and wing set for the car is very reasonably priced at just £13,99 and we have been informed they are hoping to have the bodies available before the car gets here so people can uy extras and have one sprayed up in time for when the car arrives.

The part number is TLR8057, we already hve them online for anyone who wishes to pre-order one.....

[Rebelrc]

The car is cheap enough to buy 2 kits and build them up accordingly ( mid/rear motor ):thumbsup:

[MHeadling]

Alright money bags! 1 car will do most people I'm sure! :p

Rebel you getting 2 x Kuga's as well??!!!!!

[Rebelrc]

LLol
Money bags! who me?;) I wish
Quote you : Heres your X10 back cause i cannot fit anymore rc cars in my Garage:thumbsup:

[Rebelrc]

Only Kuga ( Cougar ) i will ever buy Lol
Bring on the 22 ...Fantastic sensible design with an equally fantastic price tag:thumbsup:

[Rebelrc]

Just a quick question to anyone experienced with the new pre production/prototype 22's
I am led to believe that other mid cars try to get the motor as far back to the diff as possible and also buried over the rear wheels as much as possible? Now the mid motored config on the 22 is much more forward in the car compared to that of all the other manufacturers.
Why is this? is it beneficial or just slightly compromised to give both rear and mid configurations
Regards:)
Scott ( Rebel rc )

[Rebelrc]

Have i killed this thread?:eh?:

[Legacy555]

Just a quick question to anyone experienced with the new pre production/prototype 22's
I am led to believe that other mid cars try to get the motor as far back to the diff as possible and also buried over the rear wheels as much as possible? Now the mid motored config on the 22 is much more forward in the car compared to that of all the other manufacturers.
Why is this? is it beneficial or just slightly compromised to give both rear and mid configurations
Regards:)
Scott ( Rebel rc )

Hi Scott,
Don't know about the 22, but I can say that I have found the further forward the motor is in the CR2 the better. I bought a 4 gear gearbox that allows the motor to sit 8 - 10 mm further back - used it once and went straight back to the idler mod setup that pushes the motor as far forward as possible. The main difference that I noticed was that I could adjust the pitch of the car in the air much more easily with the motor mounted further forward. It is also better on slippy sections of the track with the motor further forward.
Hope you find this info useful.
Regards,
Will

[Reevsey]

I bet you can get the speedo down lower too with a bit of ingenious tetris and wiring.

Electrics install behind the servo is no issue, If you have a short stubby servo you can fit in a speedo/std receiver and pt on top of the servo so very similarto a CR2, If you use a very small receiver such as Spektrum you can even fit a Castle Mamba max in which has to be one of the biggest speedo's on the market so there are no issues

Si

[RogerM]

Hi Scott,
Don't know about the 22, but I can say that I have found the further forward the motor is in the CR2 the better. I bought a 4 gear gearbox that allows the motor to sit 8 - 10 mm further back - used it once and went straight back to the idler mod setup that pushes the motor as far forward as possible. The main difference that I noticed was that I could adjust the pitch of the car in the air much more easily with the motor mounted further forward. It is also better on slippy sections of the track with the motor further forward.
Hope you find this info useful.
Regards,
Will

The effect you noticed is very much there but it is NOT motor position it is to do with the relative rotations of the topshaft/slipper/spur assembly to the other heavy rotating components on the car, namely the wheels/diff/driveshafts and the motors rotor.

Some people prefer the 4 gear internal design (X6,MCS,SV,02C and now 22), others prefer the external idler design (CR2 and Scorpion) for this very reason! It was always my preference for the Scorpion design.

As with everything in this hobby it's all a matter of personal preferences.

[Chrislong]

Trial and error, and sometimes there is no difference - but the belief and the confidence is enough to go faster..

[RogerM]

Just a quick question to anyone experienced with the new pre production/prototype 22's
I am led to believe that other mid cars try to get the motor as far back to the diff as possible and also buried over the rear wheels as much as possible? Now the mid motored config on the 22 is much more forward in the car compared to that of all the other manufacturers.
Why is this? is it beneficial or just slightly compromised to give both rear and mid configurations
Regards:)
Scott ( Rebel rc )

It's not 100% necessary to have the motor further forward to give the option of switching between mid and rear but it does help!
Had to work really hard to get the Scorpion to be able to be built in both configurations with the motor as close to the diff line as it is on the original RB5.

So that will be 2 cars on the market that can run in both mid and rear motored configurations when the 22 comes out ... 3 when the Durango breaks cover.

My guess though is that the TLR design team found that the 4 gear internal transmission locked in the rear end of the car a little more than they wanted so moved the motor forward to combat that and aid rotaion.

Either way I doubt that it was the 'easy option' or an 'afterthought' as the car looks to be very well designed and it is obvious many many hours of thinking went in to it.

Interested to see how it goes

[triplesix]

Quote:
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But for me - Im a Losi guy, My lucky number is 22.
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Haha, so is mine!
I was born the 22nd of December, so I guess, it's a sign. :lol:

[Legacy555]

The effect you noticed is very much there but it is NOT motor position it is to do with the relative rotations of the topshaft/slipper/spur assembly to the other heavy rotating components on the car, namely the wheels/diff/driveshafts and the motors rotor.

Some people prefer the 4 gear internal design (X6,MCS,SV,02C and now 22), others prefer the external idler design (CR2 and Scorpion) for this very reason! It was always my preference for the Scorpion design.

As with everything in this hobby it's all a matter of personal preferences.

Hi Roger, I completely agree with what you're saying. However, none of the drivetrain components that you mention were displaced from their "stock" positions except for 2 idlers. The idlers have such a small diameter and inertia that I'd dismiss these as rotational influences whilst the car is in the air. I'll have to go away and think about it more, but at the moment I'm fairly convinced that the difference in handling was completely motor position related..... we'll come back to this after I play a bit more at the weekend.

[RogerM]

Anybody know when the first public run is by the team? Will it be Petit / BWOC or not until the car is available?

I would really like to look over one, always liked the design solutions Losi use, very creative. Shame I have never got on with the handling of the cars but I do admire the "think outside of the box" designs.

[RogerM]

Hi Roger, I completely agree with what you're saying. However, none of the drivetrain components that you mention were displaced from their "stock" positions except for 2 idlers. The idlers have such a small diameter and inertia that I'd dismiss these as rotational influences whilst the car is in the air. I'll have to go away and think about it more, but at the moment I'm fairly convinced that the difference in handling was completely motor position related..... we'll come back to this after I play a bit more at the weekend.

Forget the idlers ... far too small in mass to have a major effect over the other components listed!

It is all about the rotation of the top shaft.

External idler

anticlockwise direction;

pinion, topshaft, diff/shafts/wheels

clockwise direction;

both idler gears

4 gear internal

anticlockwise direction;

pinion, 1st idler, diff/shafts/wheels

clockwise direction;

topshaft, 2nd idler


Quite a bit of mass in the topshaft assmebly ....

If it doesn't make sense draw a quick picture .... I will try to later if I can get it to upload.

[GRIFF55]

drill an extra hole in the cr2 chassis and thats another that will run rear motor configuration also!

[Legacy555]

Forget the idlers ... far too small in mass to have a major effect over the other components listed!

It is all about the rotation of the top shaft.

External idler

anticlockwise direction;

pinion, topshaft, diff/shafts/wheels

clockwise direction;

both idler gears

4 gear internal

anticlockwise direction;

pinion, 1st idler, diff/shafts/wheels

clockwise direction;

topshaft, 2nd idler


Quite a bit of mass in the topshaft assmebly ....

If it doesn't make sense draw a quick picture .... I will try to later if I can get it to upload.

Ahh yes!! So if we take the layshaft assembly and the diff as the major rotational components;

In the 4 gear gearbox setup their rotational moment is subtracted from each other - as the two assemblies are rotating in different directions.

In the idler setup, the rotational forces are added - as the two assemblies are roatating in the same direction.

Food for thought Roger! Thanks

[Delves]

Anybody know when the first public run is by the team? Will it be Petit / BWOC or not until the car is available?

I would really like to look over one, always liked the design solutions Losi use, very creative. Shame I have never got on with the handling of the cars but I do admire the "think outside of the box" designs.

First public run is this weekend at Taplow. Bit of a baptism of fire though as Si and Darren havent run the car nor has it been run on carpet! Fingers crossed it will go well for our guys.

The first showing in public was meant to be last weekend at EPR but the weather put pays to that!

[sly]

Any price list or ideas on prices of the spares yet?

[Rocking Donkey]

Check the DMS website, most of the spares and prices are already listed. The prices all seem pretty good to me.

Ben

[Holeshot]

Any price list or ideas on prices of the spares yet?

Go onto DMS http://www.dms-racing.com/ and search for twenty under Losi.

[Darren Boyle]

Go onto DMS http://www.dms-racing.com/ and search for twenty under Losi.

Or type "Twenty Two" in the search with no brand and any aftermarket parts as they come about will appear too from other brands

[Holeshot]

Or type "Twenty Two" in the search with no brand and any aftermarket parts as they come about will appear too from other brands

Didn't know aftermarket parts for it were out already. Kit still has a few months before it hits shelves.

[Darren Boyle]

Didn't know aftermarket parts for it were out already. Kit still has a few months before it hits shelves.

They're not yet, but some are already planned and in the making by several companies with more to follow I am sure and the search I mentioned will find ALL "22" parts rather than those just in our our Losi section

[Holeshot]

Check out this new lipo battery that will be out the same time the 22 is out.

Today’s race vehicles crave and desire all the power that you can throw at them but sometimes battery space on the chassis can be limited. Saddle packs can offer the flexibility to arrange your power source into different configurations but not always exactly what you need. Thanks to the size of this 7.4V 3800mAh 2S2P LiPo battery pack, chassis placement and tuning options are in your control. As the perfect power source for the Team Losi Racing 22 Buggy (TLR0022) in either rear-motor or mid-motor configuration, it will also be right at home in any 1/10-scale electric application. Chassis tuning can be obtained by positioning the battery either to the front or the back in a standard size battery tray with optional foam blocks to adjust the weight distribution.

Features

Unique size dimensions for multiple application types
60C continuous discharge rating
In-board 4mm gold bullet connectors
Pre-wired XH balance connector included
Allows for multiple mounting and configuration options

Product Specifications

Type:LiPo
Capacity:3800mAh
Voltage:7.4V
Number of Cells:2S
Weight:7.07oz (200.5g)
Configuration:2S2P
Length:95.9mm (3.78")
Width:46.9mm (1.85")
Height:24.7mm (0.97")
Maximum Continuous Discharge :60C
Maximum Continuous Current :228A

http://losi.com/Products/Features.aspx?ProdId=LOSB9880

[racingdwarf]

Looks good:thumbsup: $109 on special:woot:, my saddles may stay for a bit longer

[russmini]

Thats pretty cool :D

The only downside i can see is that it is longer than saddle's side by side and there looks like there definitely would not be any room in front of it for a speedo.

Think i'll stay with getting a new Saddle Pack when my 22 arrives :D

[brookie]

The only downside i can see is that it is longer than saddle's side by side and there looks like there definitely would not be any room in front of it for a speedo.


Sorry disagree, the saddles fit end-to-end so have and overall length of circa. 138mm, check out here:

http://domain3190026.sites.fasthosts.com/BRCA/elecboard/news/2010%20BRCA%202S%20Saddle%20LiPo%20List%20v1%20pdf 6.pdf

the new Losi pack is ONLY 95.9mm long! Having seen it in the 22 I can very definitely confirm that it will either give more chassis tuning opportunities with battery placement or much more space in front of the battery.

[Holeshot]

Sorry disagree, the saddles fit end-to-end so have and overall length of circa. 138mm, check out here:

http://domain3190026.sites.fasthosts.com/BRCA/elecboard/news/2010%20BRCA%202S%20Saddle%20LiPo%20List%20v1%20pdf 6.pdf

the new Losi pack is ONLY 95.9mm long! Having seen it in the 22 I can very definitely confirm that it will either give more chassis tuning opportunities with battery placement or much more space in front of the battery.

http://losi.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB9880_a1.jpg

http://losi.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB9880_a2.jpg

http://losi.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB9880_a3.jpg

http://losi.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB9880_a4.jpg

http://losi.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB9880_a5.jpg

http://losi.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB9880_a6.jpg

http://losi.com/ProdInfo/Gallery/LOSB9880_a7.jpg

[russmini]

Sorry disagree, the saddles fit end-to-end so have and overall length of circa. 138mm, check out here:

http://domain3190026.sites.fasthosts.com/BRCA/elecboard/news/2010%20BRCA%202S%20Saddle%20LiPo%20List%20v1%20pdf 6.pdf

the new Losi pack is ONLY 95.9mm long! Having seen it in the 22 I can very definitely confirm that it will either give more chassis tuning opportunities with battery placement or much more space in front of the battery.


They fit side by side in the 22. And if you look at at the pic of the buggy where the 2 options are side by side. The one with the Saddles definitely has more space in front of the LiPo...

:thumbsup:

[Gnarly Old Dog]

One of the advantages of the 96mm battery is that it can enable you to be a little bit more creative with your whole electronics install and thus gives you a bit more freedom to tune your weight displacement as you see fit.

This is my install - as I ran it at Taplow. It took an TC racer with OCD to figure it out for me cos he hated the long motor wires.

It might look a little bit unconventional for a buggy - but hey, 3 years ago most of us thought the motor looked weird when that was placed in front of the rear axles and now look at us:woot:

Not only does it allow the wiring to be a little neater, it also gives a little bit more space laterally because the front of the chassis is narrowed slightly by the front bulkhead / servo mount brace and it's tricky to fit the castle MMP and the Spektrum receiver side by side although even that is possible as my 2nd photo will hopefully demonstrate. I took this on during the initial build to show that the MMP would fit underneath the bodyshell - even with the fan installed.

Anyway - hope this helps.

Andy

[GRIFF55]

looked like a lovely size lipo at taplow! great idea.:thumbsup:

[colmo]

A new market in stubby lipos is born!

Clubs with lenient battery rules could allow a custom A123 Li-Fe pack - 4 x 2300 mah cells (2s2p) arranged side by side down the middle of the chassis.

Each one measures 65mm x 26mm making a pack size around 65mm x 104mm.

P.S. That stubby Xcelerin pack is exactly what I need for my custom BJ2 conversion - just a little more slender that 2 saddles arranged like above. Perfect!

[Gayo]

That "new" size lipo is a great idea, who needs 6000+mAh anyway when racing 5mn mains?

I don't know for you but it feels a little like cheating to me. Don't get me wrong, I know a smaller than standard lipo is allowed by rules, but seeing alternative manufacturers (X-Factory, AC) reinventing the wheel to have the best mid motor layout, only to find Losi basically creating a new cell standard for their new car... it feels somehow unfair.

(Sorry if the above is not very clear, that's too much english for my skills I'm afraid :woot:)

It opens a whole new field of possible layouts, bring on slim cars! Kudos for that :thumbsup:

[OldTimer]

Will they be BRCA legal for 2011 ? hope so.

[university_dave]

Provided it was submitted for homologation - including a production representative physical sample - to the BRCA before 01/12/10 it should be ok. The size of the pack meets the requirements.

[OldTimer]

Provided it was submitted for homologation - including a production representative physical sample - to the BRCA before 01/12/10 it should be ok. The size of the pack meets the requirements.

Hopefully the Losi guys can confirm.

[russmini]

Mmmm, ok so it does fit :D

The possibility of it not being BRCA Legal is a bit of a pain though. Hopefully these behind the scenes top boys have supplied it and it will be on the list.

I run a 4000mah at the mo and only ever take aroun 1400mah Max out of it, so don't mind dropping 200mah for a nice posh new LiPo.

And the statement about Losi producing a Lipo for their car... Hey, if you've got the resources, why not... :D

Although the thought of me running all Losi products is a little worrying, i'm going to have to rethink the tag, sLOwSI...

Anyone think of a Fast sounding rework ?

:thumbsup:

[Gnarly Old Dog]

Will they be BRCA legal for 2011 ? hope so.

To coin a phase, "There's many a slip twixt cup and lip". Thus, it would be wrong to speculate about whether or not they meet the BRCA homologation requirements until after the procedure is complete and the list is published.

But I am anxiously awaiting its publication...

Fingers and toes crossed.

[OldTimer]

As long as you got them submitted that's the main thing, hopefully everything will go ok and we will then have another tuning option :)

[Darren Boyle]

When I was told about the new LIPO by the guys at Horizon I have to admit I was not convinced, it seemed like a specialist battery to suit just one car to me, but as a tuning option I am coming around to the idea of it slowly.

I guess it just felt like you "had" to buy a new battery for a new style of car layout (which is no worse I suppose than HAVING to by saddles for a new 4wd when you have run sticks in the past), a battery that would then not fit other models and applications to the best of their needs, BUT to create more room and to move around (back and forth) in the car is kinda cool i have to agree (far cheaper than lumps of brass as a way of getting the balance right).

However I have got to add, to all those who have said you dont need the 6000+ LIPO's (who are all correct by the way), seing as this battery IS smaller (in capacity), you would expect the price to be a little smaller too in fairness and it isnt, it is still up there priced with the best of them......... Given the choice of a 6000+ 60C or a 3800 60C for the same (or even less) money, many racers will get the most they can for their hard earned cash in my opinion.

So come on TLR/Horizon, get it on the market for around £60/70 and you are on to a winner!!!

[Smartalec]

The idea of the smaller lipo is very good for tuning and running at national or regional level where you have loads of time to charge you'd still only need the one pack which makes it cost effective but where it falls down is when you are racing at club level and charging time is tight, for this you would need more than one pack. Personally, i'd stick with the larger capacity pack, this way you could run 2 or 3 races on a club night and just top up between runs when the time is tight.

As Darren said, it wouldn't be too bad if the pack was considerably cheaper than the others ............. god, did I just agree with Darren?, I must be getting REALLY old :lol::woot:;)

[RogerM]

Doctor for Mr Springer ..... we are loosing him ;)

Options are always good and I guess in a competative market place having something unique means potential for open house on pricing, just depends on how many they want to sell!

I must admit that I had some interesting ideas the moment I saw this cell.

[RudeTony]

(far cheaper than lumps of brass as a way of getting the balance right).

Darren - Hi yah you old tart - how can it be cheaper if you have to buy the Lipo dude! :)
You know you can buy a lot of brass for £70 odd pounds.
Only playing with yah but the only comment i have is the Lipo will never be heavy enough to act as a tuning aid. Good idea though and for sure everyone will have.
BUT - brass is where it's at boys - LOL
Have a nice Christmas all

[Darren Boyle]

Hi Tony,

Hope your well mate, have a good Chrimbo too ;-)

I meant that since you need a LIPO in both scenarios (with or without weights), having the smaller LIPO saves you buying the bigger one in the first place (I knew what I meant - pherhaps the manflu is getting to my brain now) hence you weight placemnt and tuning is done with moving the battery around rather than adding weights. PLus of course your elctrics can move around too to aid the tuning I guess....

We all know what racers are like, they will have the small LIPO (plus big ones too no doubt) plus weight tuning kits, whatever it takes to have all the options at their disposal......

[sparrow.2]

BUT - brass is where it's at boys...


Brass chassis FTW! :thumbsup:

[Nick Goodall]

It was about 10 years ago that my Dad said to me (and a few others) that Lipo's from mobile phones (as that was the only place they were commonly used) would definitely be the future, and he said you can imagine the battery being a clip on section to the bottom of the chassis, exactly the way a mobile battery clips on to a phone...

Would make perfect sense to me, get the weight as low as physically possible and have it designed perfectly to fit :thumbsup:

[Mr. Red]

Hopefully brass will be a thing of the past with this car.

[Gnarly Old Dog]

I think Brass is a terrific material and will be used more and more in the future.
The way we are all thinking about our car set ups and using ballast to tune to individual preferences and characteristics means that a dense material makes most sense.
Since lead is not a nice material to play with and gold is a little bit too expensive, Brass gets my vote all the time.
Stainless Steel would be cool also but I can't see weight plates and weight tuning going away any time soon.

Like Tony says - the lipo itself is too light to effectively be used to change the weight distribution but it does open up a whole host of ideas on where you could use some effective ballast material if need be.

Also, in the US, many stock class racers still like to run as close as possible to the ROAR minimum weight limit. The little LiPo helps hem to achieve this without having to sacrifice any of the car's inherent strength or weight.

Anyhow, as others have already observed - hopefully, this new LiPo will help open up tuning opportunities that had previously been thought of as not possible with the traditional sized cells.

Or maybe even a 2S 1/12 link car or even a mardave caterham - that would be fun to see :woot::woot:

[sosidge]

So the car isn't out yet but Losi have already decided that the weight distribution needs "tuning"?

I thought there were a few Cougar design cues in there. :p

The short pack will let them shorten the wheelbase if they want to as well. Tooling a new aluminium chassis plate is pretty cheap.

Very interesting.

[Chrislong]

It won't need tuning, recent results in Bloomfields hands proove it is great.

Tuning is marketing, giving people more tuning options sells more products in the belief of advantage (whether the advantage is real or not), thats all. :thumbsup:

[till]

so Gnarly, could you tell us how heavy is the car with a -normal Lipo? -this smaller Lipo??

[The Hoff]

I think Brass is a terrific material and will be used more and more in the future.
The way we are all thinking about our car set ups and using ballast to tune to individual preferences and characteristics means that a dense material makes most sense.
Since lead is not a nice material to play with and gold is a little bit too expensive, Brass gets my vote all the time.
Stainless Steel would be cool also but I can't see weight plates and weight tuning going away any time soon.

Like Tony says - the lipo itself is too light to effectively be used to change the weight distribution but it does open up a whole host of ideas on where you could use some effective ballast material if need be.

Also, in the US, many stock class racers still like to run as close as possible to the ROAR minimum weight limit. The little LiPo helps hem to achieve this without having to sacrifice any of the car's inherent strength or weight.

Anyhow, as others have already observed - hopefully, this new LiPo will help open up tuning opportunities that had previously been thought of as not possible with the traditional sized cells.

Or maybe even a 2S 1/12 link car or even a mardave caterham - that would be fun to see :woot::woot:

Are you using any brass weights in the car at the moment ?.

[Gnarly Old Dog]

My car ran at Taplow at around 1700g and yes, to achieve that weight, I did have to 'tune' (:p) it using some weight.

The small LiPo is about 100g lighter than the saddles I've mainly used during testing. All I did at Taplow was to use additional weight to bring the car back up to a weight I felt comfortable with.
It would be possible to run the car very close to the minimum weight limit at about 1500g if you should wish to. I've run mine at different weights between 1600g and 1750g - sometimes depending on conditions, sometimes just to see what it would do.
My fastest single lap in testing was achieved with no added weight but I wouldn't be able to hold onto it for 5 minutes like that (although I'm sure Bloomers would be able to)

I'm sure some will like it lighter, others heavier. All I have found (as with every other car I've driven in the past 4 years) is that adding weight helps me become more consistent as my reactions are not what they once were:cry:

[TryHard]

One of the advantages of the 96mm battery is that it can enable you to be a little bit more creative with your whole electronics install and thus gives you a bit more freedom to tune your weight displacement as you see fit.

This is my install - as I ran it at Taplow. It took an TC racer with OCD to figure it out for me cos he hated the long motor wires.

It might look a little bit unconventional for a buggy - but hey, 3 years ago most of us thought the motor looked weird when that was placed in front of the rear axles and now look at us:woot:

Not only does it allow the wiring to be a little neater, it also gives a little bit more space laterally because the front of the chassis is narrowed slightly by the front bulkhead / servo mount brace and it's tricky to fit the castle MMP and the Spektrum receiver side by side although even that is possible as my 2nd photo will hopefully demonstrate. I took this on during the initial build to show that the MMP would fit underneath the bodyshell - even with the fan installed.

Anyway - hope this helps.

Andy

Did CJ do this... I know he hates long wires, and the all black is a hint. Still remember being chastised about having power wires going over the top deck in my TC (oh the horror!) :lol:
Have improved since mind, Mamba/BEC/Spek micro&6040 all fit (just) in the latest one, and neat(ish). He'd be proud :D

22 install does look neat though :wub

[Gnarly Old Dog]

Cheers Ed,
Yeah, it was CJ's idea. It looks unconventional as far as buggies are concerned but less so from a TC perspective.

It's a good idea.

[mikeyscott]

Needs to be clarified so people can make the required plans.

[stegger]

There's a good review on the 22 in the febuary edition of CARACTION ;);)

[bert digler]

There's a good review on the 22 in the febuary edition of CARACTION ;);)

link boss:thumbsup:

[stegger]

http://hotfile.com/dl/88881629/b2ae6f4/Radio-Control-Car-Action-2011-02_downmagaz.com.pdf.html

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[brookie]

And there's also an interesting 'INSIGHT' spread and interview with the TLR Brand Manager, David Spashett in the February 2011 issue of RCC Racer magazine, due out, I think, next week!

[till]

again, a link would be helpful :)

[stegger]

again, a link would be helpful :)

The racer feb edition isn't out yet mate!! ;)

[till]

ok, i´m sorry

[brookie]

Think it should be in the shops one week tomorrow, Thursday 06 January, subscribers should get there's before this, not sure when the website will be updated, that's down to the Ed.!

[stegger]

ok, i´m sorry

No worries buddy.

[paulc]

Think it should be in the shops one week tomorrow, Thursday 06 January, subscribers should get there's before this, not sure when the website will be updated, that's down to the Ed.!

Yeah i got my copy yesterday 2 page spread of the Losi 22 with Q&A with dave spashett

[Holeshot]

http://hotfile.com/dl/88881629/b2ae6f4/Radio-Control-Car-Action-2011-02_downmagaz.com.pdf.html

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Thanks for the link :D

http://i52.tinypic.com/2jepmbn.jpg

[liam]

Is there a definate release date for the 22 yet? I know its feb some time

Might have to blitz my student overdraft :woot:

[Chrislong]

Alex, are you genuine? As right now you sound like a drag queen trying to get us all to click on dodgy links...

[stegger]

Looks suspect chris !!!! my pop-up warning bar came up straight after coming to this page !!!! I've reported it.
"ietag.dll" add on trying to RUN.

[Northy]

Tell me more about the girl games :woot:

[daz]

And tell me more about the dress up games:D

[Holeshot]

:D lol ;)

[stegger]

Tell me more about the girl games :woot:
Yeh wouldn't mind knowing more on this ;)
G, who were the other 9 off road tech officers ???? :woot:

[ashleyb4]

Any news on a part listing and prices yet??

A

[russmini]

On DMS and JE Spares

[Darren Boyle]

Any news on a part listing and prices yet??

A Come on Ash pay attention!! :p

We have had them online now for over a month and just two days after the car was officially announced.... ;)

[ashleyb4]

I looked though the new stuff section and there where not in there so assumed you hadnt listed them yet.

A

[Darren Boyle]

I looked though the new stuff section and there where not in there so assumed you hadnt listed them yet.

A Since they are not "in" yet we have not listed them as "new", technically they should all be in our "preview" section, but we did not want to flood that section with hundreds of spares specific to just one car. Rest assured as soon as we start to recieve the first few into stock we will make a song and dance about it on here and on our website, we have LOTS of spares pre-ordered..... ;)

[sly]

Team drivers.

Are the turnbuckles titanium in the kit as standard?
If not what sizes do people need?
Thanks

[Gnarly Old Dog]

Sly,
According to the release info, they are 3.5mm heavy duty turnbuckles. Can't say for certain but I doubt if they will be Ti. Certainly our prototypes seem to be steel (although finished in a fetching stealth black look).

If you want Ti, I'm sure you'll be able to get some Lunsford 3.5mm ones to work for you.

HTH

[stegger]

Any chance you can give us the lenghts of them as well fella ?

[Gnarly Old Dog]

Oohhhh, I was hoping no-one would ask me that. :cry:

I don't have my car here with me but the parts list simply states 45mm, 50mm and 55mm lengths. Not sure if that is overall length or the length between the threads though.
I'll try to measure the length between the threads later and confirm.

Sorry.

[Chrislong]

Hey Andy,
Lunsford sell by end-to-end length, so ideally that is the measurement people will be asking for. Worth knowing now ofcause - so Horizon can get extra on the shelf an avoid a turnbuckle famine ;)